Professional Cycling For the Fans - Carlos Sastre

Ok, I know the guy is 2:44 back, but thats not the end of it.

Phill, Paul, Bobski, Frankie Andreu and that other dude mentions him ONCE during each stage, and thats when they give a review of the overall GC

Why isnt anyone mentioning ANYTHING AT ALL about Carlos??????


And why is the an Astana Jersey on the "washing line" on the bottom of the screen instead of Carlos Sastre as last years winner, DEFENDING CHAMPION???


Is it just me, or does NOBODY understand what defending Champion mean? Regardless of how badly or well they are doing this year?

These are some of the reasons I hate Lance so much. It completely takes all logic out of race information and commentary.

Disgusting, utterly disgusting. Since when do you completely and utterly ignore anything the defending champion of an event does???

Anyway, do you guys think he will win? If not, where do you place him overall in Paris?
Where would you LIKE to see him finish?

Has he done anything news or commentary worthy? Other than come off his bike? No? Then don't expect him to get much air time until he does such. At which point they'll come out with something like, "the defending champion reminding everyone of why he is, and showing how."

In all honesty, unless something weird happens, do you think Carlo's team has enough depth to make a repeat happen? The best chance I see at anyone but Astana winning is Saxo Bank, followed by Garmin. Would you argue otherwise? I find it hard to believe that Test Team's going to be able mount a credible and lasting challenge against those three.

1. Sastre 'won' against weak competition. The defending champ (Contador) wasn't riding. Armstrong wasn't riding. He beat Leipheimer and Evans. Big deal.

2. Sastre isn't having a bad tour. He's being exposed as just another good rider. He's not in Armstrong or Contador's league. Yeah, he can climb, but that's it.

3. Sastre has had zero impact on what so far far has been a pretty exciting tour. Why should they mention him?

4. If Sastre want's to get his name back in the news he had better put on a show tomorrow (Stage 7). Usually not a whole lot happens in the Pyranees with the GC contenders, but Sastre doesn't really have a choice. If he wants to be a player he's going to have to attack tomorrow.

given the strength of this year's field (versus last year's), don't think sastre has a chance to
win; outside shot at a podium place. he's going to have to go multiple times on multiple
mountain stages like he did at this year's giro. waiting until this year's alpe d'huez won't work.
no way astana will let him get more than a minute on the ventoux-stage 20.
they may be dumb but they ain't stupid. sastre's going to lose another minute plus to strong
tt'ers like levi, kloden, lance, menchov, evans on stage 18's time trial around the lake.

And why is the an Astana Jersey on the "washing line" on the bottom of the screen instead of Carlos Sastre as last years winner, DEFENDING CHAMPION???


Its a Lance Armstrong tracker. People are watching because of him, its a small added touch that allows people to follow him a little easier.

relax.

The Lance tracker really bugs me. Again, not a Lance hater, but I hate that blue jersey sitting there.

People on this board will hate it because it messes with their purest nature.
Versus doesnt give a damn about you.
They know where their bread is buttered and it aint with the purest.

People on this board will hate it because it messes with their purest nature.
Versus doesnt give a damn about you.
They know where their bread is buttered and it aint with the purest.

True true. I need to fix that :p

Just like there are 99'ers, there are a bunch or 09'ers. Versus is catering to them, since a sizeable percentage will want to know how Lance is doing, and that provides a better solution (IMO), than all the camera concentration that was on him during the Giro.

I like how you hate Lance for something he has no control of.

Well I"m at 08'er, so I'm fresh in following the Tour. However, tonight I was chatting with a friend and mentioned that I was watching Le Tour and he quickly asked, "Ohhh, how's Lance doing?"

This is the impact of Lance. Even before I got into cycling, I was interested in following Lance albeit just reading highlights in the paper. I give Lance credit to finally getting me interested in cycling, although it was after his retirement.

Since when do you completely and utterly ignore anything the defending champion of an event does???

I think you sound completely and utterly like Paul Sherwen :D

As several others have stated, there are thousands of people who are watching the tour for the first time and being exposed to what professional bike racing is all about just because of Lance's comeback. Can that REALLY be a bad thing for the sport?

Kinda like what Tiger did for golf, that is what Lance is doing.

The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.

...The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.

Where I live, Versus showed every stage - multiple times. If you didn't get them all, it's because of your local affiliate, or cable company.

Looking at Sastre's past wins, he seems to only go for wins and make his moves in the second half of the second week, and third week. Therefore, don't expect him to do anything before then.

15 years ago you would have been waiting for the world cycling productions VHS tape to come out to see the tour and now we are *****in' because the biggest draw to cycling in the u.s. EVER is being mentioned too much.

man you guys don't know how good you got it. if lance pulls out of cycling and this depression keeps grinding on we'll be returning to the dark days of cycling .... that'll show you :eek:.

ed rader

Why isnt anyone mentioning ANYTHING AT ALL about Carlos??????



Because anyone who knows anything knows that Carlo's is not a threat in this years feild of riders. He won against a feild of wimpy little cycling pansies last year but this time he is against far superior adversaries.

Carlo's should just go ahead and abandon rather than litter the roads of France with his wimpy little sweat drops.

As several others have stated, there are thousands of people who are watching the tour for the first time and being exposed to what professional bike racing is all about just because of Lance's comeback. Can that REALLY be a bad thing for the sport?

Kinda like what Tiger did for golf, that is what Lance is doing.

The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.

Do you go to tournaments and see the horde following Tiger around?

Definitely not the purists. Maybe things have turned around but the golf business was stagnating and has been for some time after a long period of growth. Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.

To answer your question about if it's really bad for the sport, I think the answer is mixed.

People who aren't familiar with the culture of the sport should familiarize themselves with it before running roughshod over it. You ever play golf with someone who doesn't know wtf is going on? They'll be talking when you're addressing the ball. They'll trample the line of your putt. They'll stand in your line either in back of you or in back of the hole to get a read. It gets tiring and I tell them to get the hell out of my line.

Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.

do you go to tournaments and see the horde following tiger around?

Definitely not the purists. Maybe things have turned around but the golf business was stagnating and has been for some time after a long period of growth. Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.

To answer your question about if it's really bad for the sport, i think the answer is mixed.

People who aren't familiar with the culture of the sport should familiarize themselves with it before running roughshod over it. You ever play golf with someone who doesn't know wtf is going on? They'll be talking when you're addressing the ball. They'll trample the line of your putt. They'll stand in your line either in back of you or in back of the hole to get a read. It gets tiring and i tell them to get the hell out of my line.

Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.



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Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.

You mean he's not!!!!! :eek::twitchy:;)

Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.

Out of curiousity and for perspective in future posts: If you had to, how would you define "Greatest Cyclist of all time"? If you could name only one, who do you think is the greatest cyclist of all time?

Dude, give it UP

You guys are tough.

Sastre's had a fine career. Great climber. Put together two superior, back-to-back, efforts last year: TdF & Vuelta. Seems like a real gentleman and very humble about his impressive palmares.

His attack on that climbing stage in this year's Giro was one of the better mountain stages I've seen since....well, Alpe D'Huez '08 TdF....hmmm.:rolleyes:

He will show more and I don't think he's going to disappoint. Maybe not the podium this year but, I really enjoy watching him dance up the mountains. Superior athlete.

Out of curiousity and for perspective in future posts: If you had to, how would you define "Greatest Cyclist of all time"? If you could name only one, who do you think is the greatest cyclist of all time?
Eddy Merckx. Anyone who disagrees with this is off their ****ing rocker.

Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.
Go ask tour promotors when he doesnt pick their tournament what it does to have him in the field. I live in Columbus, I've been to the Memorial with and without Tiger. Pre-tiger, it was busy, but they didnt sell out. Even in this economy when nothing other than majors sell out, ticket sales were strong.


You really have to stop reaching on so many of your posts. You hate Lance, we get it. Why not just stop talking about it? You're not going to "educate" anyone here, we can read and understand facts just as well as you. Some of us just refuse to condemn on inuendo and unsubstantiated rumors/poor testing practices/etc.

I'm gonna have to agree. Eddy Merckx is the greatest ever cyclist. I acknowledge that Armstrong has won more Tours de France, but even that doesn't make him a better Tour de France champion than Merckx. I would rank Merckx as the best ever cyclist. Armstrong doesn't even make the consideration. It's not even close. Merck is the best.

Michael Jordan has 6 championships.Bill Russell won 11 NBA championships. Almost twice as many as Jordan! Does anyone think that Russell is the best ever basketball player? Of course not. Jordan is the greatest. Just like Merckx is the best cyclist.

Ok, I know the guy is 2:44 back,

Why isnt anyone mentioning ANYTHING AT ALL about Carlos??????

And why is the an Astana Jersey on the "washing line" on the bottom of the screen instead of Carlos Sastre as last years winner, DEFENDING CHAMPION???

Is it just me, or does NOBODY understand what defending Champion mean? Regardless of how badly or well they are doing this year?

These are some of the reasons I hate Lance so much. It completely takes all logic out of race information and commentary.

Disgusting, utterly disgusting. Since when do you completely and utterly ignore anything the defending champion of an event does???

Anyway, do you guys think he will win? If not, where do you place him overall in Paris?
Where would you LIKE to see him finish?


By your logic, Contador gets no respect either because he is a defending champion also. Where's his tracker, you may ask then? Armstrong has won the last 7 TDF's he competed in. That kind of trumps everyone. . . like it or not.

Logic in race commentary? . . . this isn't the Supreme Court here . . . it's sports. Sports is business . . . . where they talk about what's hot to keep people interested and viewing. If it bothers you that much, turn off the volume. . . . they won't be changing for you or anyone else.

Sastre, with Armstrong in the field at the TDF, has never been a real threat. He's never beaten Contador. The press is many things, but they are not stupid. . . .they know the chances of Sastre winning are very small. He won last year with a weakened field. Yes, he still won and deserves some mention for it. . . . but you can't force people's opinions.

Where will he finish? He won't better Contador unless he forgets to eats and bonks or crashes. Can he finally top Armstrong? Can he beat the Sclecks, who are no longer subservient to him? Who knows . That's why they race. . . and that's why we are compelled to watch!
:cheers:

Out of curiousity and for perspective in future posts: If you had to, how would you define "Greatest Cyclist of all time"? If you could name only one, who do you think is the greatest cyclist of all time?

easiest question ever asked on BF--unless you're off your ******* rocker as others have pointed out

I don't believe I have heard any commentator on Versus say that Lance is the greatest cyclist of all time. I hope they do more short segments on great TdF riders of the past.

Without lance no one would watch the tour since they have so many druggies. Fact. Ratings up with lance.

1. Sastre 'won' against weak competition. The defending champ (Contador) wasn't riding. Armstrong wasn't riding. He beat Leipheimer and Evans. Big deal.

2. Sastre isn't having a bad tour. He's being exposed as just another good rider. He's not in Armstrong or Contador's league. Yeah, he can climb, but that's it.

3. Sastre has had zero impact on what so far far has been a pretty exciting tour. Why should they mention him?

4. If Sastre want's to get his name back in the news he had better put on a show tomorrow (Stage 7). Usually not a whole lot happens in the Pyranees with the GC contenders, but Sastre doesn't really have a choice. If he wants to be a player he's going to have to attack tomorrow.

Ok, look, READ. As defending Champion, his name should automatically be in the news everyday. Do you not understand what defending champion means??? By your logic, if he is having a bad Tour, its even more reason for him to be in the news.
He beat Leipimer and cadel big deal? Well gain, by your logic, if he beat them and he is doing better than them so far, why do they talk about Levi and Cadel more thatn Sastre then, when he is doing better than them??


Has he done anything news or commentary worthy? Other than come off his bike? No? Then don't expect him to get much air time until he does such. At which point they'll come out with something like, "the defending champion reminding everyone of why he is, and showing how."

In all honesty, unless something weird happens, do you think Carlo's team has enough depth to make a repeat happen? The best chance I see at anyone but Astana winning is Saxo Bank, followed by Garmin. Would you argue otherwise? I find it hard to believe that Test Team's going to be able mount a credible and lasting challenge against those three.
Again, a defending champion is and should be automatically be in the news, becuae guess what, he is defeanding champion. Do you not understand what the term meas??? What has Menchov done? He is in the news daily. What has Cadel done? He is in the news everyday. Think a little.


Because anyone who knows anything knows that Carlo's is not a threat in this years feild of riders. He won against a feild of wimpy little cycling pansies last year but this time he is against far superior adversaries.

Carlo's should just go ahead and abandon rather than litter the roads of France with his wimpy little sweat drops.
I dont follow you. Carlos is a better climber than Lance, and Contador is a better climber than Lance. Should they both abandon? Carlos actually attacks the field, Lance does not. Contador actully attacks the field Lance does not.
I want to see racing, not "template formula" crap that Lance preaches, a team of riders nursing a GC contender to victory.

Those that really know the culture of cycling will understand the value of a rider like Carlos. He has what you call Talent. He is a climber. Lance offers no pure gift. He is not a climber, he just climbs well because he has the conditioning, he is not a time trialer, he just get good times because he has better conditioning.
I want to see a cyclist with an actual gift like a climber attacking and giving us a show of defiance against everyone else. I want to see his talent offering resistance to the return of others after an attempt. I know the three quarters of you wont understand what Im saying, nor will they understand that Lance had a career before cancer, and that career showed no pure talent like Carlos or Cantador's. Lance is an all rounder, who, if has strong conditioning just rides consistently to win a stage race. He is not a sprinter, he is not a time trialist, he is not a climber, again, Im sure 3/4 of you will not understand what im saying.


Bottom line is, weather Carlos is doing good or bad, weather he is playing it safe or not, he is THE DEFENDING CHAMP, and should be the bar to which we are looking. Lance is not defending champ, Carlos is not defending champ, they are both contenders, challengers. What about this dont you people understand????

I don't follow your logic. The announcers talk about who they think their audience wants to hear about, I thought we established that. I certainly don't see Sastre getting any less mention than any other non-Astana or non-American rider.

I certainly don't see Sastre getting any less mention than any other non-Astana or non-American rider.
You must not be watching the same Tour. Anytime there is a "situation" the announcers are looking for the wearabouts of Cadel, Levi and Menchov. This happens anytime there is a crash, anytime there is an attack, anytime the peleton splits.


I don't follow your logic. The announcers talk about who they think their audience wants to hear about, I thought we established that. I certainly don't see Sastre getting any less mention than any other non-Astana or non-American rider.

You do not follow my logic because apparently, you are unaware that Carlos is actually above Cadel in the standings. And you also dont follow my logic becuase you apparently dont understand that the race is often decided in the mountains, and that Carlos climbs better than Cadel, who is constantly mentioned. You also apparently dont follow my logic because you are unaware of what the number 1 on Carlo's jersey means.

Look it up on google. And that goes to the rest of you too.

([quote=Caveman;9250314]1. Sastre 'won' against weak competition. The defending champ (Contador) wasn't riding. Armstrong wasn't riding. He beat Leipheimer and Evans. Big deal.)

Wrong, Leipheimer wasn't there. He was on Astana as he is this year. ASO told Astana that they were not welcome. He didn't necessarily win, however, due to the weak competition. He won due to his own effort and the effort of a very strong team. It is very doubtful that he would have won without the Schleck brothers on his team. They countered for him when he attacked. If he had been on another team, Andy would have most likely pulled Frank & perhaps the other GC riders up to him.

([quote=Caveman;9250314]2. Sastre isn't having a bad tour. He's being exposed as just another good rider. He's not in Armstrong or Contador's league. Yeah, he can climb, but that's it.)

I would agree that he's not having a completely bad tour, but he's on a much weaker team this year & lost a significant amount of time in the TTT. His ITT, in perspective wasn't all that bad. But, he will probably lose a lot more time in the longer ITT in the 3rd week. He definitely needs to improve his time trialing skills.

You must not be watching the same Tour. Anytime there is a "situation" the announcers are looking for the wearabouts of Cadel, Levi and Menchov. This happens anytime there is a crash, anytime there is an attack, anytime the peleton splits.



You do not follow my logic because apparently, you are unaware that Carlos is actually above Cadel in the standings. And you also dont follow my logic becuase you apparently dont understand that the race is often decided in the mountains, and that Carlos climbs better than Cadel, who is constantly mentioned. You also apparently dont follow my logic because you are unaware of what the number 1 on Carlo's jersey means.

Look it up on google. And that goes to the rest of you too.

I think you hear what you want to hear. I've heard plenty of references to Sastre, including queries concerning his whereabouts. If you spent more time just listening, rather than focusing on picking up little tidbits to whine about, you might not miss so much.

You must not be watching the same Tour. Anytime there is a "situation" the announcers are looking for the wearabouts of Cadel, Levi and Menchov. This happens anytime there is a crash, anytime there is an attack, anytime the peleton splits.



You do not follow my logic because apparently, you are unaware that Carlos is actually above Cadel in the standings. And you also dont follow my logic becuase you apparently dont understand that the race is often decided in the mountains, and that Carlos climbs better than Cadel, who is constantly mentioned. You also apparently dont follow my logic because you are unaware of what the number 1 on Carlo's jersey means.

Look it up on google. And that goes to the rest of you too.

Stop following VS. coverage of the TdF. umd was spot on.

VS. is catering to a primarily English-speaking crowd. Obviously, they are going to focus on who that particular audience wants to see and hear about.

You are trying to make an argument out of nothing.

Besides, it's week one. Relax, if/when Carlos makes a solo breakaway attack (Ventoux, for example), I can guarantee Phil and Paul will be all over him.

Besides, it's week one. Relax, if/when Carlos makes a solo breakaway attack (Ventoux, for example), I can guarantee Phil and Paul will be all over him.

Exactly...on both counts.

You do not follow my logic because apparently, you are unaware that Carlos is actually above Cadel in the standings. And you also dont follow my logic becuase you apparently dont understand that the race is often decided in the mountains, and that Carlos climbs better than Cadel, who is constantly mentioned. You also apparently dont follow my logic because you are unaware of what the number 1 on Carlo's jersey means.

Back of champ. I don't understand your logic about why everyone should be talking endlessless about the defending champion just because he is the defending champion. As I said, they talk about what people want to hear about.


You must not be watching the same Tour. Anytime there is a "situation" the announcers are looking for the wearabouts of Cadel, Levi and Menchov. This happens anytime there is a crash, anytime there is an attack, anytime the peleton splits.

I think you are hearing what you want/expect to hear. I don't sit glued to the TV hanging on every word but I didn't notice them talking about any one contender any more than any other, besides the obvious American/Lance slant and whatever what going on on the screen at the moment.

You really really need to take some kind of medication, you are taking this whole tour way to personally.

You really really need to take some kind of medication, you are taking this whole tour way to personally.

Oh yeah? Come on, I'll race you, Darsh!

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Sastre minus the Schlecks, Cancellara, and Voigt = Not much going on.

Sastre won in big part to the excellent team tactics played against the weaker field by Riis.

What's he got this year?

I dont follow you. Carlos is a better climber than Lance, and Contador is a better climber than Lance. Should they both abandon? Carlos actually attacks the field, Lance does not. Contador actully attacks the field Lance does not.
I want to see racing, not "template formula" crap that Lance preaches, a team of riders nursing a GC contender to victory.

Those that really know the culture of cycling will understand the value of a rider like Carlos. He has what you call Talent. He is a climber. Lance offers no pure gift. He is not a climber, he just climbs well because he has the conditioning, he is not a time trialer, he just get good times because he has better conditioning.I want to see a cyclist with an actual gift like a climber attacking and giving us a show of defiance against everyone else. I want to see his talent offering resistance to the return of others after an attempt. I know the three quarters of you wont understand what Im saying, nor will they understand that Lance had a career before cancer, and that career showed no pure talent like Carlos or Cantador's. Lance is an all rounder, who, if has strong conditioning just rides consistently to win a stage race. He is not a sprinter, he is not a time trialist, he is not a climber, again, Im sure 3/4 of you will not understand what im saying.

What about this dont you people understand????

I understand this much: Everything I highlited from your post tells me you're talking out of your ass. Lance has no talent? He can't climb? He can't TT? You have no idea what you are talking about. Just another LA hater.

Hoze-it....

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Even if you don't understand other languages, I think for the volume of US hatred they still mention Armstrong's name in excess.

And he is no sprinter, TT, climber guy, OK. He did a lot of pulling today for 224 km, giving AC a lot of rest. Super Domestique??

He is not a bad fixie hipster either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNCPEzdZs5s

[QUOTE=Howzit;9254783I want to see racing, not "template formula" crap that Lance preaches, a team of riders nursing a GC contender to victory.[/QUOTE]

Actually, isn't it more of Bruyneel's formula? And it works. Only, he's done it a couple of times now with multiple contenders now. And, likely to do it again this time if all the riders listen.

This is from Velonews today:

“There were no instructions from the car (to attack),” said Astana team boss Johan Bruyneel. “We wanted to try to maintain our collective strength and wait for the attacks to come. Those attacks didn’t come.”

Yet Bruyneel was putting the brakes on the Astana train, even with Cancellara flagging off the back, because it’s too early in the race to have to carry the weight of the yellow jersey all the way to the Alps.

The Belgian director was telling the troops to ease the pace and allow Rinaldo Nocentini (Ag2r) to stay clear from the all-day breakaway and snag the maillot jaune instead.

But Contador had his own plan.

Riis has followed the same formula before very successfully in the 06 Giro.

I don't believe I have heard any commentator on Versus say that Lance is the greatest cyclist of all time. I hope they do more short segments on great TdF riders of the past.

To the contrary, a couple days ago, Phil named Merckx as the greatest ever.

Back of champ. I don't understand your logic about why everyone should be talking endlessless about the defending champion just because he is the defending champion. As I said, they talk about what people want to hear about.
I think you are hearing what you want/expect to hear. I don't sit glued to the TV hanging on every word but I didn't notice them talking about any one contender any more than any other, besides the obvious American/Lance slant and whatever what going on on the screen at the moment.

You really really need to take some kind of medication, you are taking this whole tour way to personally.

Well, i think we are not following each other then.
Im saying a defending champ should get more mention than other riders he is even beating in the GC.

And you are saying what? He doesnt need coverage? Or he isnt getting coverage because it doent matter if he is defending champion? Or are you saying you guess he gets coverage and you wouldnt know because you dont listen to the whole coverage as you mentioned?

About backing off, are we talking about you or Carlos Sastre? I think the thread title says Carlos Sastre, not you. My pills at least let me get that right. Thanks. You mentioned that you are not following my logic, so I tried to explain it to you. Since we are talking about Carlos Sastre Im not sure where it is Im suppose to be taking things "personally". I dont know Carlos, or did you mean you? Im confused.

At any rate, the consensus is that Carlos doesnt need coverage because it doesnt matter that he is wearing number 1 as last years winner, beating other riders that ARE being mentioned nor does he need mention because we can mention Lance instead, which is fine because its about money and ratings?

Now that there is logic I dont follow.
With that I can rest my case.
Its pretty clear Im not going to get anywhere with this one, LOL

Howzit, you make a point, and I think many here have acknowledged it, but have also pointed out the realities of the entertainment marketplace. Ideally, they'd have trackers for each of the four participants in this year's Tour who have won it.

I understand this much: Everything I highlited from your post tells me you're talking out of your ass. Lance has no talent? He can't climb? He can't TT? You have no idea what you are talking about. Just another LA hater.

If I race in Cat 1 and am a climber, and I time Trialed in a Cat 4 time trial race and won, I wouldnt say I can time trial, nor would i think I can. The result would apparently PROVE i AM.

Pop quiz question: Jan Ulrich is a climber? He beat a lot of climbers in all his years. No Ulrich is not a climber.

You are one of the 3/4 of people I said wouldnt understand.

Howzit, you make a point, and I think many here have acknowledged it, but have also pointed out the realities of the entertainment marketplace. Ideally, they'd have trackers for each of the four participants in this year's Tour who have won it.

What I said about Carlos' coverage is true.
Z, no one has admitted its true.
They are saying no, its not true (basically saying they are covering him, because my argument is that they are not) and then giving reasons why they are NOT covering him!!!!
This is funny.

Howzit, from what I recall watching this morning they covered him a similar amount to the other GC contenders. Sorry that I didn't sit there counting the number of times he was mentioned compared to the others. I don't believe that they have any special obligation to cover him MORE just because he won last year.