Classic & Vintage - Campagnolo Triomphe ?

Found this dusty old thing hanging in my garage and was pretty sure this was a Triomphe groupo... can anyone confirm this for me ?

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And where does this group sit in the heirarchy of Campy bits ?

If I am correct on anything it is only because of Cuda's excellent work on Velobase.

Velobase was the first thing I thought of when I was going to attempt to help. Looks like you're right though...

Furthermore, why the heck was that beauty hanging in your garage collecting dust! I'd love a bike like that!

Velobase was the first thing I thought of when I was going to attempt to help. Looks like you're right though...

Furthermore, why the heck was that beauty hanging in your garage collecting dust! I'd love a bike like that!

A bent fork and the fact it's a little large for me had something to do with it...

A bent fork and the fact it's a little large for me had something to do with it...

Sad... Very sad... It's a beauty

Victory, and I can straighten that fork for you.

-Kurt

It could be 'Victory' I can never tell the two a part. They are the lower end tho

Victory, and I can straighten that fork for you.

-Kurt

What is the difference ?

They are the lower end tho

C-Record
Super Record (out by '87)
Victory
Triomphe
990
980

Wouldn't call it lower-end, particularly when it's essentially SR with a cosmetics job and a better RD (though the calipers are two-position like Nuovo Gran Sport). Granted, it doesn't have too much snob appeal (and it is generally - and ungraciously) tacked onto frames just under the Columbus SL notch, but I wholeheartedly consider it the all-time, under-appreciated Campagnolo group of the pre-indexing era.


What is the difference ?

Slight cosmetics - namely, stamped drillium levers vs. smooth, crankarm spider end treatment, brake calipers has a small peak to its cross-section + different nuts, FD has three pivots on clamp vs. two, longer shifter levers, and - most importantly - the RD of Victory has a three-position parallelogram angle stop, which allows it to be positioned closer to the cogs. Pulley cage is also all-aluminum, and a bit nicer in styling.

-Kurt

Cuda - Thanks.

My Campy lore is weak.

Cuda - Thanks.

My Campy lore is weak.

Glad to help.

-Kurt

P.S.: The surest way to learn how to ID Campagnolo is to have far too much of it around for your own good. ;)

The Victory spider runs with straight edges into the chainring. The Triomphe flares out a little at the spider-ends.

No doubt that this is all Victory. And Victory is a reliable groupset, significantly better than Triomphe when one considers the rear derailleur performance (Triomphe RD was crap), particularly the later Victory versions. Victory gets rather low resale value, and it is easily confused with Triomphe. The brake levers are also markedly different from Triomphe and way cooler.

And Victory is a reliable groupset, significantly better than Triomphe when one considers the rear derailleur performance (Triomphe RD was crap), particularly the later Victory versions.

The Victory RD does give significantly better performance (though a easy cheat on a Triomphe is to file its pivot stop down), but the 1986 Victory S3 RD's had no greater benefit over the originals save for larger high/low limit screws that made adjustment easier.

-Kurt

P.S.: Forgot to mention - Victory FD's came in braze-on variants, Triomphe did not, IIRC.

Well if it's too big for you and the fork is bent and you won't be needing it any more just drop me a PM. What size is it anyway?

any idea what model bike it is? Kinda looks like it might be a Rekord 748 or 848.

yes just what size is it? if it is unwanted I know someone who might take the poor orphan in (wink wink)

The frame will be orphaned and I will take a proper measurement.

same groupo i have on my univega. its nice i like it. Looks very nice.

The frame is 56 cm dt and 56 dt... just a speck too tall for me.

I sealed the deal on my new road frame and should have that bike built up on Monday... :)