General Cycling Discussion - Kryptonite new york cut...

I dont know if this is the right place but in need a place to rant if not please relocate it to the right spot. My bike got stolen tonight, they clipped my New York Kryptonite.

I parked it out side of my school in downtown Vancouver on homer and pender at 6:45pm and went to the bar to watch UFC 100 with some of my classmates. After a few beers and some good fights i walked back to campus to see my bike not at the rack and my locks on the ground. I called 911, they gave me the contact info to the non emergency police number. I informed her the bike was worth about 1700 cad not knowing what the larceny laws are up here. In a lot of states 1000 and up woth of property is grand larceny and subsequently a felony and in my eyes THIS WAS A F***ING EMERGENCY. My friends took the number down on their phones, I hung up and dialed the number into mine. I was put on hold and turned speaker phone on so i didnt have to hold my phone to my ear if it was going to be half an hour. At that point i couldn't hold it any more and i burst out "F***, F***, F***, F*** THEM THOSE BALL LESS CO-" "Hello, sir? "-CK SUCKERS!!! Oh, I'm sorry... my bike was stolen." Then I proceeded to give her the details and found out no one was coming to take prints. I told her that the bike was worth 1700 about three times, but nothing came of that. I got my case number asked her a few questions about what happened next and hung up. Scrounged the only pictures of the bike i had and posted on craigs list http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/com/1265604424.html , then printed out a list of all the pawn shops in the area that i will have to go to this week to check and see if its there. I was still very much stewing in bad intentions, so i wandered out down east Hastings to see if any one had traded it for some crack or was riding it. No Luck. So here i am, this was my first road bike. I don't have money for another one and just put 700 bucks in to new front wheel, rear and front derailleur, cassette, chain, and tires because i was planing on going for a three day bike trip on vancouver island on my next school break, since I'm moving back to the states when I graduate in October. I fell like **** but thanks for the space to vent I feel a little better and if anyone is in the Vancouver area there is a reward for getting me enough info to get this back. Please keep you eye out for it.

This quote from pulp fiction fits how im feeling right now.
"Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that ******* doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it."



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My guess is they put a blanket over the top and went to town with power tools.

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My bike and component list
http://s3.amazonaws.com/ibike/pictures/305003/IMAGE_116_large.jpg



Frame
Scattante Three Thirty



Fork
Carbon Fiber



Rims
Mavic Open Pro



Hubs
Shimano Ultegra



Tires
Back - Hutchinson Fusion 2 Ultra / Front - Triathlon



Pedals
Wellgo B67 Platform



Crank
FSA Omega Me Compact Crankset



Chain
Shimano Dura-Ace XTR CN-7701



Rear Cogs
SRam PG-970



Bottom Bracket
FSA Omega



Front Derailleur
Shimano Ultegra FD6603




Rear Derailleur
Shimano Ultegra 6600-GS Gray



Shifters
Left, Shimano Ultegra ST-6510. Right, Shimano Sora



Handlebar
Forte



Stem
Forte



Headset
Cane Creek, 1 1/8"



Saddle
Forte

http://www.ridefetish.com/images/bike/icons/nopart.gif
Bar Ends

Bontrager Vibration Reducing

a black and a silver water bottle cage.

no rack on it, that's in my garage.

and a Blackburn 4.0 w/ wireless speed on front wheel and wired cadance on the back ( i have the computer but the mount is still on the bike)

That sucks.

It does serve as proof that if the thief is motivated enough, there is not a lock that can stop them.

I would also post notices in the Edmonton and Calgary CL lists as this is where a good number of the bikes stolen from Vancouver end up.

Terrible news. I believe when a pond shop gets something like a bike they need to store it in the back for X amount of days before displaying- to ensure it's not stolen???? I read this some where but I may be wrong. I'd check with the police dept and ask. If this is the case you're ride won't be on display for a while- just something to consider.

I read posts like this and wonder what lock or lock combo is good?
Post a pic of your bike in this thread. Perhaps it might help.
b

Here in Alberta pawn shops have to file daily reports on incoming items... most will not take bicycles any more as just about every one that is pawned has also been stolen.

jclaine (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php?u=121843) check your messages...

Craigslist is strange- I edited your ad as a proof in concept that it could be done--- from your link--- signed it FS. You might want to close the security hole before someone actually vandalizes your ad!

I fixed the ad, 125 also brought this to my attention. Thank you.
Ugg, I hope to god that it doesn't leave this city. When i was in crack town i wanted to find someone riding it so bad, although in hind sight i would have probably ended up in jail if i did.

If I'm going shopping or such where I leave my bike unattended, I now ride an old 3-speed with a basket. And a Kryptonite lock. With my two custom machines - I do not take my eyes off of them. Ever.

Best of luck getting your bike back. I hope the thief gets his legs removed with a chainsaw.

I had been parking it there for 8 months and no problem with that lock, or so I thought. Maybe i got scouted and marked. This was my commuter that I was slowly upgrading to not be. I rode it to school and around town on a daily basis. I hate public transportation.

In general there is no metal that can stand up to modern cutting tools. My guess is that a hack saw with a fresh blade can cut through the best locks in about 15 min.

I have seen GPS trackers with text messaging, poor mans lojack. If you have an expensive bike that might work for you.

IMO, the purpose of a bike lock is to increase the amount of work it takes to steal your bike to the point it is not worth the effort. For that to happen you need a fairly cheap bike to start with.

IMO, the purpose of a bike lock is to increase the amount of work it takes to steal your bike to the point it is not worth the effort...

Someone understands your sentiment...

http://www.mountainbiketales.com/images/invisibike0.jpg

I was thinking about doing something like that when I get my next bike. But more of the big onguard chains. I took my rack off for a week and it gets stolen... Should have left it on it might have been the visual eye sore that they turned away from. Bike rack camouflage if you will.

In general there is no metal that can stand up to modern cutting tools. My guess is that a hack saw with a fresh blade can cut through the best locks in about 15 min.

I have seen GPS trackers with text messaging, poor mans lojack. If you have an expensive bike that might work for you.

IMO, the purpose of a bike lock is to increase the amount of work it takes to steal your bike to the point it is not worth the effort. For that to happen you need a fairly cheap bike to start with.

Generally the NY locks have hard enough steel so a standard hacksaw blade will do very little. I would expect that a carbide hacksaw blade was used or a battery poiwered abrasive cutoff tool. I tried a normal hacksaw blade on my NYF U lock as an experiment with minimal effect. It was a good quality Nicholson bi-metallic blade.

Against the right power tools no lock or chain is very resistant unfortunately.

That sucks.

It does serve as proof that if the thief is motivated enough, there is not a lock that can stop them.

I would also post notices in the Edmonton and Calgary CL lists as this is where a good number of the bikes stolen from Vancouver end up.

True.. What one man puts together another can take apart.:notamused:

Generally the NY locks have hard enough steel so a standard hacksaw blade will do very little. I would expect that a carbide hacksaw blade

Yes I meant carbide, but these days carbide blades are sold everywhere. Battery powered tools have come a long way too, I was surprised at some of the Hilti tools.

On the other hand the large number of abandoned bikes indicates that if your bike is not that nice, people won't put the effort into stealing it.

I have a question for the original poster. What kind of tool did they use? Can you tell?

i have no idea, i know they had to try in about 20 spots to get the cut in the corner of the u lock. My roommate who is a machinist said maybe a zip cutter. Either way that would have to make some noise, and when I found the lock there were at least 10 people within eye sight and ear shot of the bike rack.

Someone on craigs list said they saw my bike twice today in crack town, so my hopes are up a bit. Time to put some scouring time in.

Can't you claim you loss with Krypton?

Someone on craigs list said they saw my bike twice today in crack town, so my hopes are up a bit. Time to put some scouring time in.

It would be amazing if you could recover it, but what is the protocol if you are to see it? I would buy a cheap U lock and try it slap it on there until the cops can show up, that is, if its not moving...

If it is moving - an old Silca Impero pump-in-the-spokes works wonders to remove the rider.

What about the insurance that Kryptonite claims?

What about the insurance that Kryptonite claims?

well, if Kryptonite's insurance is anything like OnGuards, good luck with that:

http://consumerist.com/5310313/free-bike-protection-is-neither-free-nor-protects-all-bikes

Specifically:

7. This coverage is not free, you must pay for it
8. The coverage is void if "Torches, battery operated tools or power tools were used to open the lock."

Here's a thread on the kryptonite insurance plan:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=63130

Don't you have home or renter's insurance? I would think it would be covered under that.

8. The coverage is void if "Torches, battery operated tools or power tools were used to open the lock."



Well duh, that makes it all pretty meaningless, doesn't it.

Talk about not worth the paper it's printed on.

I can't tell what's in the first picture...

I'd love to see the remnants of that Kryptonite lock though

The first photos is of a white blanket and a garbage bag ripped open. I found the lock on top of the bag on the ground and the blanket on top of the rack when i found my locks. I figured they draped it over the bike rack. and had what ever tool covered by the bag.

I now carry that small chunk of lock with me in my bag, that would work wonders as well in the front spokes. I would be more than willing to replace the front wheel again if it meant i was going to get my bike back.

I can take more photos of the locks tonight if your interested.

If Kryptonite wont cover your bike, they should at least replace your lock... that model is so expensive!

Terrible news. I believe when a pond shop gets something like a bike they need to store it in the back for X amount of days before displaying- to ensure it's not stolen???? I read this some where but I may be wrong. I'd check with the police dept and ask. If this is the case you're ride won't be on display for a while- just something to consider.

I read posts like this and wonder what lock or lock combo is good?
Post a pic of your bike in this thread. Perhaps it might help.
b

If the bike is actually pawned, it is held as collateral on a loan, and won't be sold or displayed unless or until the loan is defaulted, which would be 30 or 60 days or whatever. Pawn shops may buy and sell items outright as well, but that's different from the normal pawn process.

The police reaction to your loss is pretty typical, from what I've been able to tell. It's not Sherlock Holmes at work.

There are pawn shops that don't exactly adhere to the laws in the sketchy parts of town here.

The police work is minimal, if existent at all. Considering what the bike is worth i thought there would be a little more effort. Any Canadians know the laws for larceny and grand larceny, and is amount up to the province?

My condolences. :(

There are pawn shops that don't exactly adhere to the laws in the sketchy parts of town here.

The police work is minimal, if existent at all. Considering what the bike is worth i thought there would be a little more effort. Any Canadians know the laws for larceny and grand larceny, and is amount up to the province?

IIRC the threshold is 5000$

Thank you greengrasshopper.

On a lighter note Kryptonite said today they will replace the lock if i mail in a chunk of it and send a copy of the police report. All I need now is something to lock up.

We're paying $30/yr insurance (home owner's policy rider) for our daVinci tandem. Covers the bike no matter what the situation: left in front of a store, taken off the bike rack, etc. Even though we could replace this bike, the $30 is truly cheap insurance.

Either way that would have to make some noise, and when I found the lock there were at least 10 people within eye sight and ear shot of the bike rack.


Another bike rack horror story.

I must have read over 100 stories over the years about people getting their bikes stolen off racks. Without question, the worse place to park your bicycle is a bike rack. Maybe 100 years ago, a bike rack was a good idea. Not anymore.

More bikes are stolen off racks than any place else, especially those near transit centers like bus depots or train stations. The bike rack is the first place crooks look for parts and bikes. Avoid them at all cost.

Here's what to do. Find a location where it is difficult to find, away from foot traffic. I lock my bike behind the mall, two blocks away from college, behind a dumpster, back of a movie theather but NEVER, EVER a bike rack.

People will say my bikes can still be attacked but it's never happened. If your bike is discovered, it's usually the mall security or some employee or individual who does not use a bicycle. The only time my bike was damaged was when it wsa locked to a bike rack or at a train station. Regardless, I'll take my chances with a hidden bike than one locked to a bike rack any day.

Bottom line, you have to hide the bike from the crooks instead of locking it in full view. Crooks know they can carry a chainsaw and break all your locks in the middle of Time Square or London and no one will or say a thing.

Thank you greengrasshopper.

On a lighter note Kryptonite said today they will replace the lock if i mail in a chunk of it and send a copy of the police report. All I need now is something to lock up.

You'd think that a theft over 5000$ would make a difference in the effort put out by the police to look for the stolen property or the thief, but it's only used for sentencing ***IF*** the thief is discovered, prosecuted and found guilty...

I mean, they don't even investigate stolen cars anymore... they just fill out the report for insurance purposes.

As for the lock, that's a good thing. We all know you're a cyclist, so you will get another bike eventually :thumb:

Two thoughts on the matter:
1_ Use a case-hardened security and monobloc style padlock in place of the U-lock. We have some sets for 35 bucks each. (NEVER use any type of cable!)
2_Be proactive and REGISTER your bike w/ a modern style peer-to-peer public registry, such as BikeRegistry.com . Registraion is always free and this week even the Decal Kits are free.....
The Decal Kits being a key part of the strategy. www.bikeregistry.com/INSTALL.php (http://www.bikeregistry.com/INSTALL.php)

battery poiwered abrasive cutoff tool.Air powered cutoff tools (from a portable gas cylinder) are fairly common. For a thief (or ring of thieves) it would take less than 10 seconds to cut through the lock in 2 places with this kind of tool.

as for those mono blocks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWnHQQEklBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M643UA2SLW0&feature=PlayList&p=8DDD52B3FADC32C8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=118

When I showed my classmate who used to be a bike tech he said the lock looked like it was cut with bolt cutters. He's seen a fair amount of cut locks and cut a few him self getting stolen bikes back for people.

Well duh, that makes it all pretty meaningless, doesn't it.

Talk about not worth the paper it's printed on.

Yes that is a joke! I think it means that they don't make a safe/good lock.

> I think it means that they don't make a safe/good lock.

Because, as has been pointed out, it's impossible to design a portable lock that can withstand powertools.

> I think it means that they don't make a safe/good lock.

Because, as has been pointed out, it's impossible to design a portable lock that can withstand powertools.

If a New York lock is defeated as easily as any other cheap U-lock, why is it so much more expensive?

Really sorry to hear that man. However, like another member has said already, a lock is only there to deter theft and not prevent it.

I stated that I NEVER leave my bike locked up anywhere at anytime for more than 5 minutes. This is exactly why I take such a paranoid precaution. Wish you luck in getting your bike back.

Do you have the serial # on the bike? My friend was able to retrieve his stolen bike by scouting around hot spots for cyclists. Spotted his bike. Got close enough to confirm it was his and confronted the theif who gave it up.

Maybe not the best way to do things... but he got his bike back.

Another bike rack horror story.

I must have read over 100 stories over the years about people getting their bikes stolen off racks. Without question, the worse place to park your bicycle is a bike rack. Maybe 100 years ago, a bike rack was a good idea. Not anymore.

More bikes are stolen off racks than any place else

I must have read over 100 stories over the years of people getting injured at work. Without question, the worst place to be is at work. Maybe 100 years ago, a job was a good idea. Not anymore.

Firstly, while the public may not actually do anything to a thief stealing a bike, the thief will likely be deterred by the number of witnesses. Secondly, any one of the people walking by could potentially be the owner of the bike. Thirdly, if a thief were to find a hidden bike, they have all the time and freedom to make noise as they want.

And obviously, since most bikes are parked on racks, most bikes will be stolen from racks.

It should also be noted that some bike racks actually make it easier to steal bikes. Unbolt the rack and toss both bike and rack into a pickup.

Another bike rack horror story.

I must have read over 100 stories over the years about people getting their bikes stolen off racks. Without question, the worse place to park your bicycle is a bike rack. Maybe 100 years ago, a bike rack was a good idea. Not anymore.

More bikes are stolen off racks than any place else, especially those near transit centers like bus depots or train stations. The bike rack is the first place crooks look for parts and bikes. Avoid them at all cost.

Here's what to do. Find a location where it is difficult to find, away from foot traffic. I lock my bike behind the mall, two blocks away from college, behind a dumpster, back of a movie theather but NEVER, EVER a bike rack.

People will say my bikes can still be attacked but it's never happened. If your bike is discovered, it's usually the mall security or some employee or individual who does not use a bicycle. The only time my bike was damaged was when it wsa locked to a bike rack or at a train station. Regardless, I'll take my chances with a hidden bike than one locked to a bike rack any day.

Bottom line, you have to hide the bike from the crooks instead of locking it in full view. Crooks know they can carry a chainsaw and break all your locks in the middle of Time Square or London and no one will or say a thing.

But if it's in such a "secret" and "out of the way" location, doesn't that give them more time to have their way with the lock?

This guy did an experiment... he stole his own bike in full view - in 7 different public locations in Portland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yydGUB88c

If a New York lock is defeated as easily as any other cheap U-lock, why is it so much more expensive?

The NY lock does have a larger shackle and use tougher steel for the shackle so it is harder to defeat. Another poster mentioned cutting any lock with a cutoff saw in 10 seconds. I doubt this. I have seen figures of 1.5 to 2.5 minutes per cut on the NY locks by tests using a cutoff tool and even longer for the weaker grinding/cutting power tools.

IMO if you live in a city with a major bike theft problem then get a junker for city riding and still get the best lock you can for it.

yeah, you don't want to get your nice bike stolen. want to trade for my POS? Seriously, though, if I can ever afford a bike anyone would even consider putting any effort into stealing, it will never leave my sight.

Wait a minute.... you rode a $1700 road bike with a bright pink handlebar and park in d/t Vancouver at night. In an area which is a stone's throw from the poorest postal code (DTES) in Canada? If you have spent any time in this fair city, bicycle theft is as common as jay walking. VPD has stopped tracking stolen bikes for a while now. To them there are more serious crime to resolve than this. To them this is like reporting you saw a bunch of hoodlums spray painting a park bench. You should've known better if you spent any time in Vancouver. I am sorry this happened to you. Really I am. It pisses me off too as I ride my bike to work.
Vancouver has far too many crack addicts that fuels property crime here. Keep and eye out on local CL. I've seen stolen bikes turn up before.

Yeah like i said i was working on making this not my commuter bike, and had just recently put a lot of parts on. I do realize that was my fault for thinking a lock would prevent people from getting my bike, I'm still fairly new to this whole scene and wasn't thinking about the monetary value of the bike. After getting it all fixed up, I was just happy she was running like a top after the accident.

SOrry to hear your bike was stolen. I am amazed at how that lock looks and no witnesses. Definitely a professional looking job.