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UCI Press Release:

Danilo Di Luca provisionally suspended

Earlier today, the UCI advised Italian rider Danilo Di Luca that he is provisionally suspended. The decision to provisionally suspend Mr Di Luca was made in response to a report from the WADA accredited laboratory in Paris indicating an Adverse Analytical Finding of Recombinant EPO (CERA) in blood samples collected from him at the Giro d’Italia on 20 May and 28 May 2009.

These adverse findings were a direct result of a targeted test programme conducted on Mr Di Luca using information from his biological passport’s blood profile, previous test results and his race schedule.

The provisional suspension of Mr Di Luca remains in force until a hearing panel convened by the Italian Cycling Federation determines whether he has indeed committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.

Mr Di Luca has the right to request and attend the analyses of both his B samples.

Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

UCI Press Services

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UCI Press Release:

Danilo Di Luca provisionally suspended

Earlier today, the UCI advised Italian rider Danilo Di Luca that he is provisionally suspended. The decision to provisionally suspend Mr Di Luca was made in response to a report from the WADA accredited laboratory in Paris indicating an Adverse Analytical Finding of Recombinant EPO (CERA) in blood samples collected from him at the Giro d’Italia on 20 May and 28 May 2009.

These adverse findings were a direct result of a targeted test programme conducted on Mr Di Luca using information from his biological passport’s blood profile, previous test results and his race schedule.

The provisional suspension of Mr Di Luca remains in force until a hearing panel convened by the Italian Cycling Federation determines whether he has indeed committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules. Mr Di Luca has the right to request and attend the analyses of both his B samples.

Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

UCI Press Services

I thought, the B sample was supposed to be tested (or the Rider declined to have the B sample tested) before there was any public announcement?

"...the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules..."

http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=217

i've been banned from that forum

Man, that's a shame.

i've been banned from that forum


Did you test positive?

Did you test positive?


for an IQ above 80?

"...the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules..."

who woulda thought you like pirates.

What does that say about Menchov?????

^^ What does that say about Di Luca's Giro win a few years ago?


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What does that say about Menchov?????


It says the same thing that it says about every pro cyclist..he didn't test positive. This is the unfortunate reality of the sport...there is always going to be a lingering doubt when someone rides well.

^^ What does that say about Di Luca's Giro win a few years ago?


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Erm, wasn't DiLuca one of the guys with no testosterone in his urine? Like some protein destroying detergent may have gotten into his urine sample?

cdr

So who do I get to tell "I told you so" about the Cinque Terra time trial, when I said "Levi will put X number of minutes into Di Luca"?

Because, really, Di Luca has never, ever been a great TTer, and that was above any beyond his pedigree.

Erm, wasn't DiLuca one of the guys with no testosterone in his urine? Like some protein destroying detergent may have gotten into his urine sample?

cdr

Do you mean no EPO in his urine? Testosterone, as are other steriod hormones, is a relatively small polycyclic organic molecule, not a peptide/protein (EPO is a protein). EPO is naturally found in urine, albeit in very small amounts. So if he had no EPO in his urine, that would be odd. Depending on the test, a detergent could destroy the ability to detect EPO in urine.

pardon the geek break -

edit - this suggests it was a question of diluting urine and odd hormone levels http://english.gazzetta.it/More_sports/Primo_Piano/2008/04_Aprile/16/gui_1604.shtml

Ick. I don't like what this says about Menchov, who seemed to be able to beat Di Luca at every turn.

Ick. I don't like what this says about Menchov, who seemed to be able to beat Di Luca at every turn.

That would imply that every rider who beats a doped rider is also doping....

That would imply that every rider who beats a doped rider is also doping....

so you think eating his veggies and turning in early every night helped Menchov hang with the Killer on the climbs? it certainly wasn't from his deft bike handling skills.

so you think eating his veggies and turning in early every night helped Menchov hang with the Killer on the climbs? it certainly wasn't from his deft bike handling skills.

I think the whole problem is that the answer to your question could be yes, but we will forever doubt great performances now. I admit I am always suspicious and I wish I wasn't. It sucks watching a race and when it's over thinking 'damn, I hope these guys are clean.'

So who do I get to tell "I told you so" about the Cinque Terra time trial, when I said "Levi will put X number of minutes into Di Luca"?

Because, really, Di Luca has never, ever been a great TTer, and that was above any beyond his pedigree.

No one. Levi put 1:30 into him. Of course if the premise of some of the posters is held over to include Americans, who have a long and legendary history of doping...

That would imply that every rider who beats a doped rider is also doping....

correct. just like baseball. the watching public has every right to cast doubt on any and all. these sports and the athletes have only themselves to blame. later.

I loved this year's Giro. Di Luca was amazing .....but not on his own...


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/di-luca-positive-for-cera-in-giro

Absolutely zero surprise at this IP address.

Made for great entertainment, but absolutely "extraterrestrial".

I've gotten to where I'm not surprise or even disappointed. I was cheering Manny Ramirez a few minutes ago when he hit a grand slam. My only thought was, thankfully, his suspension was early in the season so he can help the Dodgers into the playoffs.

methinks deep down, if we really search within, none of us are surprised anymore when
our favorite athlete(s) test positive/non-negative for whatever. doesn't matter if we're
rooting for a favorite, the lonely lanterne rouge or the 25th man on the bench; some do it
to stay dominant, some to stay relevant and some to play where they have no business
playing. many are obvious, some are not; the sad thing is we are-as fans-constantly
waiting for the other shoe to drop. we expect it at this point.

I enjoyed watching his Giro performance - bummed that it was enhanced. With all the testing going on now; how stupid or defiant do you have to be to dope?

I've been suspicious of him for years.

Proof here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=4932475&highlight=diluca#post4932475)

I've gotten to where I'm not surprise or even disappointed. I was cheering Manny Ramirez a few minutes ago when he hit a grand slam. My only thought was, thankfully, his suspension was early in the season so he can help the Dodgers into the playoffs.

yeah, as a fellow dodger fan, how do you think it would go over if mccourt took a stand and
prohibited ramirez from playing the rest of the season claiming some shade of team/contract
rules violation. he would probably alienate a majority of fans. baseball's union is too strong
but i could see this happening in another sport (basketball/hockey possibly) with an old-school
owner who'll be dammed if he/she pays money to a cheat. football (soccer) is in too much denial
imho for it to happen there. at least in cycling, the riders union (for better or worse-sometimes
both at the same time) is too weak to fight against doping violations.

I've been suspicious of him for years.


+1

Di Luca's been getting over with a wink and a nod for years. Guy's been dirty and everyone knew. IMO all of his "victories" have a stain on them. Finally found someone's whose palm he couldn't grease.

yeah, as a fellow dodger fan, how do you think it would go over if mccourt took a stand and
prohibited ramirez from playing the rest of the season claiming some shade of team/contract
rules violation. he would probably alienate a majority of fans. baseball's union is too strong
but i could see this happening in another sport (basketball/hockey possibly) with an old-school
owner who'll be dammed if he/she pays money to a cheat. football (soccer) is in too much denial
imho for it to happen there. at least in cycling, the riders union (for better or worse-sometimes
both at the same time) is too weak to fight against doping violations.

My take is that Manny broke the rule, got caught, served the suspension, now is eligible to play. I see no reason as to why the owner has to go out an make a statement beyond the rules. You don't see that in football. Guys get suspended every year for PED violations. If the league wants to change the rules and make them tougher fine. But why be upset at an owner who isn't breaking the rules of the game? I'm beyond the emotion and angst over athletes and PED's. PED's are out there and its very prevailant. The drugs are always advancing faster than the testing. Perfectly legal over-the-counter supplements are advancing. Sports can choose to set up rules governing them or not. If an athelete breaks the rule, serve the penalty. Simple as that.

Nebali?

"say it ain't so" ... I think he has said that. Save for Khol, I think they all do.

so you think eating his veggies and turning in early every night helped Menchov hang with the Killer on the climbs? it certainly wasn't from his deft bike handling skills.

So you are saying that Lance wasn't clean then? Cause we now know that Ulrich and Basso were doping so if Lance beat them then the natural assumption would be that Lance had to dope as well.

So you are saying that Lance wasn't clean then? Cause we now know that Ulrich and Basso were doping so if Lance beat them then the natural assumption would be that Lance had to dope as well.

now you've done it.

So you are saying that Lance wasn't clean then? Cause we now know that Ulrich and Basso were doping so if Lance beat them then the natural assumption would be that Lance had to dope as well.

Sadly, I think that's exactly how a lot of people view it. I would hope that his Tour performance this year would put some of that to rest, but I doubt it.

Sadly, I think that's exactly how a lot of people view it. I would hope that his Tour performance this year would put some of that to rest, but I doubt it.


What is sad is that the same people who apply this logic to some riders will not apply it to Lance.

So you are saying that Lance wasn't clean then? Cause we now know that Ulrich and Basso were doping so if Lance beat them then the natural assumption would be that Lance had to dope as well.
Bingo we have a winner!:)

That would imply that every rider who beats a doped rider is also doping....

Di Luca isn't exactly a cat 4. If he was significantly faster through doping (and, if not, why would (a) he do it and (b) everyone care so much) and Menchov still walked all over him, it does look bad on Menchov. I'm not saying that he *is* doping, I'm saying that it doesn't look good.

I also don't like how he's 52 minutes back in the GC. Once again, I'm not accusing him of doping, but again it doesn't help.

Di Luca isn't exactly a cat 4. If he was significantly faster through doping (and, if not, why would (a) he do it and (b) everyone care so much) and Menchov still walked all over him, it does look bad on Menchov. I'm not saying that he *is* doping, I'm saying that it doesn't look good.

I also don't like how he's 52 minutes back in the GC. Once again, I'm not accusing him of doping, but again it doesn't help.

Can you explain this part? How does this make him look bad?

Di Luca isn't exactly a cat 4. If he was significantly faster through doping (and, if not, why would (a) he do it and (b) everyone care so much) and Menchov still walked all over him, it does look bad on Menchov. I'm not saying that he *is* doping, I'm saying that it doesn't look good.

I also don't like how he's 52 minutes back in the GC. Once again, I'm not accusing him of doping, but again it doesn't help.

WTF are you talking about? Who said anything about amature bike racing and doping.

I don't think I can be more clear than:

If you assume that Menchov is doping because he beat a guy who did, wouldn't that hold true of all the winners who beat dopers? I'll add this as not to confuse you...in the pro peleton. So this brilliant line of logic would lead us to believe that Lance doped, right? Because Ulrich was doping, right? Basso was doping, right? So Lance doped, right?

Wasn't there a post on here the other day claiming that nobody has tested positive for any drugs this year?

Pretty sure that was a Tour post. Ie no one at the tour has tested positive. What I don't get is how do you take Cera when you know they can test for it now?

Looks like Di Luca's relegated to the nyack ride for the next couple of years...

There's a policy that of doping conversations ought to take place in Pro.

Off we go..

I'm going to merge the three DiLuca threads

So you are saying that Lance wasn't clean then? Cause we now know that Ulrich and Basso were doping so if Lance beat them then the natural assumption would be that Lance had to dope as well.

They need to change Godwin's Law to Armstrong's Law.