Professional Cycling For the Fans - will LA be fined?

from this page:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-denies-schleck-transfer-rumours

"Teams and riders are, by UCI regulations, forbidden to discuss transfers until September 1. Rule 2.15.125 states "Riders and UCI ProTeams may not, before 1 September, reveal that they are involved in negotiations about renewal of their contracts or transfers.

Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2000.00 and the UCI ProTeam to a fine of CHF 5000.00."

Lance has openly said that he will be transferred to Radio Shack, with a distasteful, and now an illegal timing.

Wow, 2,000 and 5,000. I imagine the timing of that announcement was worth far more than that. If fined, which is doubtful, those could be paid from petty cash. Non-issue.

Wow, 2,000 and 5,000. I imagine the timing of that announcement was worth far more than that. If fined, which is doubtful, those could be paid from petty cash. Non-issue.

the PR value of lance showing the world that he's an important guy, and an in-your-face to alberto contador are worth that chump change.......

ed rader

Wow, 2,000 and 5,000. I imagine the timing of that announcement was worth far more than that. If fined, which is doubtful, those could be paid from petty cash. Non-issue.

The petty cash fund must be pretty fat considering it probably contains all the money that was supposed to be spent on the vast private testing to prove Lance's innocence.

from this page:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-denies-schleck-transfer-rumours

"Teams and riders are, by UCI regulations, forbidden to discuss transfers until September 1. Rule 2.15.125 states "Riders and UCI ProTeams may not, before 1 September, reveal that they are involved in negotiations about renewal of their contracts or transfers.

Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2000.00 and the UCI ProTeam to a fine of CHF 5000.00."

Lance has openly said that he will be transferred to Radio Shack, with a distasteful, and now an illegal timing.

Lance is a prick, you think he gives a damn about anything other than himself?

Lance is a prick, you think he gives a damn about anything other than himself?

In this instance, I think the timing of the sponsorship/team announcement had more to do with providing value to the sponsor and team than Armstrong directly. Only in that it favored the new team and it's sponsor did it also benefit Lance indirectly.

And you're point being?

Man-Crush is still going strong for you I see, Howzit. You and ol ed rader need to get together and watch Breaking Away a few times, I think.

Not ed rader

In this instance, I think the timing of the sponsorship/team announcement had more to do with providing value to the sponsor and team than Armstrong directly. Only in that it favored the new team and it's sponsor did it also benefit Lance indirectly.

And you're point being?

You just made my point.
He didnt care about the rules, because going against them at this time far benefit him more than the fine.
Make sense?
In other words, he would rather see his selfish press release come to fruition than bother following the rules. Rules? What rules, I will do what I want so long as it benefits me.

I don't think Armstrong will be fined. Going on their past track record, including this year, the UCI has never sanctioned Armstrong even when he has violated a UCI rule.

You just made my point.
He didnt care about the rules, because going against them at this time far benefit him more than the fine.
Make sense?
In other words, he would rather see his selfish press release come to fruition than bother following the rules. Rules? What rules, I will do what I want so long as it benefits me.

If you read my post a little more closely, you'll see that I believe the larger beneficiaries in this case to be the sponsors and not LA directly. I also didn't imply that he "didn't care" about the rules, just that the fine was much less than the potential benefit.

Have you ever heard of taking the "good foul"? Think about it in those terms. Even if anything ever comes of it, which I don't will, as the UCI and ASO are both so thrilled that LA is back.

If you can't see this for what it is, you're in for a long hard life of disappointment.

I don't think Armstrong will be fined. Going on their past track record, including this year, the UCI has never sanctioned Armstrong even when he has violated a UCI rule.

What "UCI" rules has he violated?

By the way, those amounts are in Swiss Francs. They are pretty laughable amounts.

What "UCI" rules has he violated?

See the original post.

By discussing his riding for Radio Shack before 9/1, he has violated a UCI pro rule.
As noted above, the publicity of this announcement during the Tour is so much more value than the proscribed fine, the chump change fine is pretty good value.

In view of Vinos statement about Lance being gone from Astana next year, not even sure UCI would invoke the penalty.

Lance will just take off the front wheel of his bike and hand it to the UCI and say, "Here you go...I want the change."

Apparently several members of the Astana team also showed interest in transferring to the new Team.. Will they be fined too.

Lance wasn't being paid, he may not have even been on contract, so the whole thing is probably moot.

7000 for an otherwise free, prime time commercial seen world wide. That sounds like a bargain.

If you read my post a little more closely, you'll see that I believe the larger beneficiaries in this case to be the sponsors and not LA directly. I also didn't imply that he "didn't care" about the rules, just that the fine was much less than the potential benefit.

Have you ever heard of taking the "good foul"? Think about it in those terms. Even if anything ever comes of it, which I don't will, as the UCI and ASO are both so thrilled that LA is back.

If you can't see this for what it is, you're in for a long hard life of disappointment.

+1 - don't bother yourself having a dialogue with Howzit - much like eradar, bellweatherman, and our favorite RR, you aren't going to win. You'd have to take mind altering chemicals to wrap your head around their logic and way of thinking (sorry boys).

Or, going back to my original assertion ... maybe it is lead poisoning ... because I think all of them are pseudoaccounts and it is just a guy we all know from MN who is trying to build up support for his anti-Lance crusade ...

What "UCI" rules has he violated?


Please read the original post carefully. As others have stated, Armstrong violated this UCI rule. Armstrong has even been on TV and publicly announced the new team as well as negotiating with other riders about breaking their contracts to join the new team next year. It is UCI rule Rule 2.15.125.

Please read the original post carefully. As others have stated, Armstrong violated this UCI rule. Armstrong has even been on TV and publicly announced the new team as well as negotiating with other riders about breaking their contracts to join the new team next year. It is UCI rule Rule 2.15.125.

Was Lance under contract? If no, then no issue. To whom? JB? If JB, then again, no issue. They LA and JB have announced a new sponsor for their already existing team. Unless the rumors that most of the non-kazak riders are under contract to JB are false, there's no problem. They're not "revealing that they are involved in negotiations about renewal of their contracts or transfers". They're naming their new sponsor for next season.

The rumors about negotiating with any specific riders have been only that, rumors in the press. I've not seen LA or JB publicly state that they're negotiating with any specific rider. Have you? If so, whom and where is the link?

Was Lance under contract? If no, then no issue.


You really should check out the original post as well as the UCI rule 2.15.125. It doesn't matter thatt Armstrong isn't on a paid contract. He is still a rider on a UCI team and has to abide by the rules and regulations of all the other riders. He doesn't get a special pass on this one.

from this page:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-denies-schleck-transfer-rumours

"Teams and riders are, by UCI regulations, forbidden to discuss transfers until September 1. Rule 2.15.125 states "Riders and UCI ProTeams may not, before 1 September, reveal that they are involved in negotiations about renewal of their contracts or transfers.

Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2000.00 and the UCI ProTeam to a fine of CHF 5000.00."

Lance has openly said that he will be transferred to Radio Shack, with a distasteful, and now an illegal timing.


:roflmao2::roflmao2:

This is hilarious.

From what planet did you arrive?

The reality is that there were probably a thousand of these conversations taking place during July.

Now, back to whatever sport you really follow. See you next summer.

You really should check out the original post as well as the UCI rule 2.15.125. It doesn't matter thatt Armstrong isn't on a paid contract. He is still a rider on a UCI team and has to abide by the rules and regulations of all the other riders. He doesn't get a special pass on this one.

Sorry but you are wrong. The rule says "negotiations about renewal of contracts or transfers". It is not a renewal of contract issue if there is no contract that is expiring, and it is not a transfer if there is no contract remaining.

By the way, those amounts are in Swiss Francs. They are pretty laughable amounts.

you're casting pearls to swine.

Sorry but you are wrong. The rule says "negotiations about renewal of contracts or transfers". It is not a renewal of contract issue if there is no contract that is expiring, and it is not a transfer if there is no contract remaining.


Then, I guess they should also ask Cadel Evans, Brice Felieu, and all the other riders about this then.

Well, considering that according to everyone, most deals are made during le Tour, the rule is a bit silly...but it has more to do with signing contracts than anything. And since LA does not have a contract with Astana (he is riding for free with regards to the team), AND LiveStrong is a sponsor for the team (see the left cuffs of all the riders).

How much was TdF viewership up this year due to lance's return? and at the end of the race while he still has their attention, he lets them know they can watch him again next year with the new team. I'm sure the sponsors (not just radioshack) are crying about the increased media coverage.

That's right, but I don't particularly think that what Armstrong has done is very ethical. It certainly isn't classy, but what would you expect from the man? I think there was a level of disrespect to the Astana sponsors to announce this during the Tour, as well as disrespect towards Contador. It was really disparaging for Armstrong to publicly name riders who he wanted to take onto Radio Shack mentioning the majority of Astana riders and the omitting of Contador.

Hey how about denying his UCI lic for the new team.

I am a prick, you think I give a damn about anything other than my old wash-up, soon to be banned again self?

Apparently

Should I post the Dirty Harry pic...or do you get the hint?

Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2000.00 and the UCI ProTeam to a fine of CHF 5000.00."
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This para is the meat of the matter. In order for the UCI to proceed they would need to receive a complaint from Astana or a third party with interest. Since Astana wasn't even all that interested in paying their employees in May in accordance with UCI rules, I am fairly certain that they are not interested UCI 2.15.125

I'm speculating, but are there any doubts that the business card of the unnamed foreign sponsor (third party) that bailed out Astana in the eleventh hour is in Armstrong's rolodex?

Remember the golden rule: He that hath the gold makes the rules.

Apparently

Should I post the Dirty Harry pic...or do you get the hint?


I find it unfortunate that you would antagonize Howitz like this. I think he has been the victim of abuse from several people, who continue to go on posting insult and namecalling. Nothing is done to them. He reacts one time and he's banned. Not really fair if you ask me. The most egregious ban came at the expense of Reid Rothchild. He was banned for "namecalling". I reviewed the thread that occurred and he was actually responding to another poster that called him a "troll" and "idiot" as well as something else I can't remember. He actually used those words in quotes when replying back to the person. Yet, he was banned, and the other person remains. I feel like there is some bias in these decisions.

Now, I don't claim that there are some disagreeable topics. In fact, I'm glad to discuss and debate these hot topic issues. I even have a pseudo-rival that likes to needle me alot on these forums. Though I disagree with him immensely, I enjoy his banter. What I find non-ammenable is mostly the personal insults, calling people out, and namecalling. No problem about hating a user's words, or saying a user's post is stupid, but I feel it crossing the line when a user directly calls another user "stupid", using unsavory terms such as "troll", "******", "dumba**", etc. There just seems there are people that are allowed to do this based on the banning history of some moderators.

a level of disrespect to the Astana sponsors to announce this during the Tour, as well as disrespect towards Contador.

This protour cycling team has been brought to you by the letters N, S, and F.

I find it unfortunate that you would antagonize Howitz like this. I think he has been the victim of abuse from several people, who continue to go on posting insult and namecalling. Nothing is done to them. He reacts one time and he's banned. Not really fair if you ask me. The most egregious ban came at the expense of Reid Rothchild. He was banned for "namecalling". I reviewed the thread that occurred and he was actually responding to another poster that called him a "troll" and "idiot" as well as something else I can't remember. He actually used those words in quotes when replying back to the person. Yet, he was banned, and the other person remains. I feel like there is some bias in these decisions.

Those threads (RR and Howzit) were cleaned up quite a bit. You can't really go by what you see after the fact.

As for Howzit, notice he always shuts up whenever anyone mentions his doping issues...

Those threads (RR and Howzit) were cleaned up quite a bit. You can't really go by what you see after the fact...

Quite true.

Could you all stop quoting boneheads, I have them on my ignore list. :)

I think you people should go and ride your bikes more rather than hang around this forum having petty childish squabbles with each other over what LA, AC and JB should or shouldn't of done or are going to do. Just my 2c worth.

any discussion about banning, infractions etc. are better served by PMs to mods/admins etc.

Just a point but didn't Vino state that LA and JB would be out after the tour?
how does that play into the UCI rules?

Marty

from this page:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-denies-schleck-transfer-rumours

"Teams and riders are, by UCI regulations, forbidden to discuss transfers until September 1. Rule 2.15.125 states "Riders and UCI ProTeams may not, before 1 September, reveal that they are involved in negotiations about renewal of their contracts or transfers.

Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2000.00 and the UCI ProTeam to a fine of CHF 5000.00."

Lance has openly said that he will be transferred to Radio Shack, with a distasteful, and now an illegal timing.

LOLZ. How long have you been following the sport? The question 'what are you doing next year?' isn't considered tampering, it passes for polite conversation in cycling ranks. Team speculations normally start around April.

This rule has been around for ever in some shape or form. I can't ever remember anyone ever being fined. During the 86 Giro Baronchelli announced he was transferring from Mosers Brianzoli team to Saronni's Del Tongo team mid-race after Moser cracked the shts with Baronchelli for taking the pink jersey. Baronchelli transferred across to Del Tongo immediately after the Giro, mid season.