Professional Cycling For the Fans - Lance Armstrong has no class

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

If you looked at the Professional Cycling forum, where I am moving this to, you'd see plenty of Lance hating.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

Uh... welcome to last week.. look around in ohh.. the pro tour forum and you'll have lots of friends to talk to

I thought he did exactly what a support rider should, he stayed back and fought off attacks while Alberto could concentrate on the Schleks. As for the celebration kinda selfish but Lance always does what's good for Lance so no big surprise.

Oh stop.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong


YEAH MAN, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!
:rolleyes:

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

lance knew that. that's why he did every thing in his power to get into yellow first.

ed rader

Are you 13 and a Cheerleader or what....Contador is just as big a Jerk as lance ever thought of being. In this crowd there are some mighty big egos, by the way did you listen to any and i mean any of the other interviews with the rest of the team...no body likes Contador!!!!!!

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.
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He has won 7 TDF. He should be arrogant. He brings attention, and money to the sport. In this country and a lot of the world cycling, at least in pro cycling, does revolve around him.

If he shows up and says he wants to ride in the TDF, he is team leader.

Are you 13 and a Cheerleader or what....Contador is just as big a Jerk as lance ever thought of being. In this crowd there are some mighty big egos, by the way did you listen to any and i mean any of the other interviews with the rest of the team...no body likes Contador!!!!!!

teams astana made a million bucks in large part by contador winning the tour. no one else on the team would have won that race....and now you are telling me that no body on the team likes contador?

the guys on astana who are speaking against contador are on lance's payroll. what in the hell do expect them to say :eek:?

ed rader

So you think Lance rules cycling and everyone in it and everyone is on the payroll of Livestrong? Man you need to GROW UP and get a life Haters never get anywhere in life. Just get your I HATE LANCE tee shirt and go back to high school with all the Drama...Lance has done more for the sport of CYCLING than CONTA-DORK ever will!!!!!!!!!

oh

dear

god

please

make

it

stop.

Can we have a mod sticky a giant we hate Armstrong thread and confine all this crap to one thread?

oh

dear

god

please

make

it

stop.

Can we have a mod sticky a giant we hate Armstrong thread and confine all this crap to one thread?

didn't you read the title of the thread before you clicked on it? it's within your power to make it stop so let's leave god (lance to you) out of it :thumb:.

ed rader

Actually the hate for Lance that is generated by a select few around here couldn't be contained in just one thread. There really need to be several so that the venomous parties can jump from one to the other spreading their hate wide but thin.

This forum has too much hate (both AC & LA) going on in it. Anyone not familiar with cycling will think there is nothing to the sport but this. Giving cycling a bad rep.

FWIW I totally agree with the OP.

didn't you read the title of the thread before you clicked on it?
ed rader

That isnt the point. You guys are making this forum look like the bottom of a rat cage. It's rather rediculous dont you think?

I mean seriously, its beyond stupid.

That isnt the point. You guys are making this forum look like the bottom of a rat cage. It's rather rediculous dont you think?

I mean seriously, its beyond stupid.

the tour is over. frankly i like what i'm reading here and i'm glad this forum exists.

but if i felt like you i'd probably delete the forum from my favorites and move on. seriously, that's what i would do.

ed rader

That isnt the point. You guys are making this forum look like the bottom of a rat cage. It's rather rediculous dont you think?

I mean seriously, its beyond stupid.

Many of these sad threads got their start in Road Cycling, and then got dumped here. Just don't post, and they will drop off the map. It's not so much that the topic doesn't merit discussion, but the level of discourse does tend to get mired.

He has won 7 TDF. He should be arrogant. He brings attention, and money to the sport. In this country and a lot of the world cycling, at least in pro cycling, does revolve around him.

If he shows up and says he wants to ride in the TDF, he is team leader.

Indurain should be arrogant too, but I haven't seen him hijack a team recently.

The whole "he brings more attention to the sport" argument is so tired. Whatever extra light is shined on the sport from him being there never spills over to others. He's a black hole. Lance and Contador rolled their eyes at each other and it got more press than what Cavendish pulled off.

Uh... welcome to last week

Awesome post of the day.

Actually the hate for Lance that is generated by a select few around here couldn't be contained in just one thread. There really need to be several so that the venomous parties can jump from one to the other spreading their hate wide but thin.

Recognizing the fact that an A hole is an A hole doesn't mean you hate him.

Logic is evidently not your forte!

Are you kidding me Lance is a hundred times better than you ever were. When you can ride at 25MPH then you should be aloud to comment on somewone elces ability.

Many of these sad threads got their start in Road Cycling, and then got dumped here. Just don't post, and they will drop off the map. It's not so much that the topic doesn't merit discussion, but the level of discourse does tend to get mired.

It's not any worse than, say a forum for an NFL team. The people that post on topics simialar to this have abot the same level of knowledge as they do about pro cycling.

Take heart...soon they will be gone for another year. It just takes a little while for the flushing to stop. The person that started the thread, 62 posts since 2005....as an example.

That isnt the point. You guys are making this forum look like the bottom of a rat cage. It's rather rediculous dont you think?

I mean seriously, its beyond stupid.

you mean it isn't?

I'm with Ed Rader on this one. Where were all these cries for censorship when people were making fun of Armstrong's enemies? And anyway, does it really matter? Don't get me wrong. Armstrong is a great rider, but there are people all around him, former teammates, friends, team personnel, etc. who have all come forth and have said what a backstabbing, deceitful guy that he is. The haters are acting like the orginal poster is making this all up.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.


What team party for Contador? The one that several news outlets assume happened based on this interview by Versus?

Direct Quote from interview.

FA: Alberto has the yellow jersey. As a team last night did you guys celebrate having the yellow jersey or is there still a little bit of a separation coming into this final day?

LA: Umh. Well to be honest I went to dinner with the Radio Shack guys.

FA: Well did you celebrate third place.

LA: I had a few more glasses of wine than I normally have every night, so.


As you can see there is a question asked about if the team had a party last night. Lance answers that he had dinner with the Radio Shack guys. He did not say that there was a party for the team that he did not go to. What information do you have that there was an actual party for the team that night?

What team party for Contador? The one that several news outlets assume happened based on this interview by Versus?


Velonews and Cyclingnews.com had reported that. The dinner that the OP was referring to was the celebratory dinner on the eve of the final stage of the Tour. It's a custom that dates back to the early beginnings of the Tour. Armstrong purposely missed this for his own selfish reasons.

So you think Lance rules cycling and everyone in it and everyone is on the payroll of Livestrong? Man you need to GROW UP and get a life Haters never get anywhere in life. Just get your I HATE LANCE tee shirt and go back to high school with all the Drama...Lance has done more for the sport of CYCLING than CONTA-DORK ever will!!!!!!!!!

Re-read your post here and tell me again who is being a "hater"? My assesment is that you are apparently never going to get anywhere in life Mr. "Pot".

What team party for Contador? The one that several news outlets assume happened based on this interview by Versus?

Direct Quote from interview.

FA: Alberto has the yellow jersey. As a team last night did you guys celebrate having the yellow jersey or is there still a little bit of a separation coming into this final day?

LA: Umh. Well to be honest I went to dinner with the Radio Shack guys.

FA: Well did you celebrate third place.

LA: I had a few more glasses of wine than I normally have every night, so.


As you can see there is a question asked about if the team had a party last night. Lance answers that he had dinner with the Radio Shack guys. He did not say that there was a party for the team that he did not go to. What information do you have that there was an actual party for the team that night?


Ahh, you really do love Lance. You've broken out the "Media Conspiracy" defense.

I'm surprised he didn't just say he needed to take a shower.

Lance. You've broken out the "Media Conspiracy" defense.

I'm surprised he didn't just say he needed to take a shower.


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LOL!!! Armstrong?! Shower?! Hahaha! Good one. Monsieur Armstrong is not a stranger to the long shower.

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I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...
1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

Uhm, it seems that Bruyneel's team won th Tour, placed another 3rd, had 3 top tens,and won a couple of stages. I think most folks would be satisfied by those results.

A public proclomation that Contador is our only protected rider would have only served to make life easier, particularly early in the Tour, for other teams.

Given that Bruyneel has now been the DS for 9 TDF wins, I am slow to second guess his management of a grand tour effort.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.



And I meant why there has been no criticism of him in the media... not on BF :-)

And I meant why there has been no criticism of him in the media... not on BF :-)


There has been criticism of Armstrong in the media. Most of the english articles you find are a bit tame, but there are still non-biased media outlets out there who do report the news and not a huge advertisement of one of Armstrong's sponsors.

Velonews and Cyclingnews.com had reported that. The dinner that the OP was referring to was the celebratory dinner on the eve of the final stage of the Tour. It's a custom that dates back to the early beginnings of the Tour. Armstrong purposely missed this for his own selfish reasons.

bellweatherman, can you link the story from Velonews and Cyclingnews.com the reported that the dinner is a custom that dates back to the early beginnings of the Tour? I could be wrong but my understanding is that in the early beginnings of the Tour the riders were on their own and did not ride as teams. Also there have been alot of years that the Tour ended with a time trial on the last day. Did LeMond win the tour one year because the guy who was leading the Tour on the eve of the final stage ate too much at the celebratory dinner the night before?

...A public proclomation that Contador is our only protected rider would have only served to make life easier, particularly early in the Tour, for other teams...

I don't think it would have been necessary to state that in public. Stating it within the team sounds like it would have resolved a lot of the internal controversy and mistrust.

Uhm, it seems that Bruyneel's team won th Tour, placed another 3rd, had 3 top tens,and won a couple of stages. I think most folks would be satisfied by those results.

A public proclomation that Contador is our only protected rider would have only served to make life easier, particularly early in the Tour, for other teams.

Given that Bruyneel has now been the DS for 9 TDF wins, I am slow to second guess his management of a grand tour effort.

Yet the #1 podium spot will not have anything to do with him. JB won the race but lost the winning the racer, the one who has a very bright future ahead of him and many more wins LA has a dim(ming) future and I think it's safe to say he won't be winning any more le Tours.

How smart is that? Oh he'll make money with Team Radio Shack...But who does JB fear the most now? AC that's who and who is going to put all his energy into beating AC? JB that's who. JB's "tactics" for this race were dumb dumb dumb dumb.

I could be wrong but my understanding is that in the early beginnings of the Tour the riders were on their own and did not ride as teams. Also there have been alot of years that the Tour ended with a time trial on the last day. Did LeMond win the tour one year because the guy who was leading the Tour on the eve of the final stage ate too much at the celebratory dinner the night before?


Actually, the Tour traditionally ends on the Champs d'Elyssee after the riders do a few laps. AFAIK, the race has only ended with a final time trial on the last day on two occasions in its long history. The last one being Greg Lemond's dramatic comeback victory in 1989.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...

1) Johan made a huge mistake by not naming Contador the undisputed team leader. And, he could have made this a stipulation of Armstrong coming back to race for him. As a result, we have these intra-team antics going on.

2) Lance Armstrong could have been man enough to realize that Contador is easily stronger than him. He could have decided to check his ego, for once in his life, and actually ride for another member of his team. 90% of the peloton rides in the service of others. Yes, he did not attack or follow Contador (probably because he would have been even more embarrassed that the young Spaniard can put him in his place). The point is that all of this could have been avoided.

3) Finally, Armstrong "missed" the team party for Contador. Are you kidding me? It'd be nice for him to realize that his time is over and be respectful, decent about it.

As far as I'm concerned Armstrong is spoiled and arrogant. Hopefully, he's finally gotten a reality check. Cycling doesn't revolve around you buddy.

Peace.

Careful, you might get banned.

Careful, you might get banned.

What are the terms or your parole??

What are the terms or your parole??

LOL, no Lance hating! :lol::lol: :)

Nha, its all good. I enjoy debate. It stimulates the mind.

Im actually very fond of everyone here.
Lance lover and haters. It makes a very enjoyable visit. Im sure we all agree.

I love you guys and gals

LOL, no Lance hating! :lol::lol: :)

Nha, its all good. I enjoy debate. It stimulates the mind.

Im actually very fond of everyone here.
Lance lover and haters. It makes a very enjoyable visit. Im sure we all agree.

I love you guys and gals


welcome back man! it's been too long.

http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2009/07/07/2/dv545498_600.jpg

Geez. That photo is creepy. Why does Armstrong think it's all about him. Alberto won the Tour. This should be his celebration.

Geez. That photo is creepy. Why does Armstrong think it's all about him. Alberto won the Tour. This should be his celebration.

because everyone at that level thinks it all about them.

Actually, the Tour traditionally ends on the Champs d'Elyssee after the riders do a few laps. AFAIK, the race has only ended with a final time trial on the last day on two occasions in its long history. The last one being Greg Lemond's dramatic comeback victory in 1989.

The "traditional" end of the Tour on the Champs d'Elyssee has only been the tradition since 1975. You are wrong about the last day being a time trial only two times. The 1964, 1965 and 1967 Tours finished with time trials to the Parc des Princes, and the 1968 to 1971 stages had time trials to the Vélodrome de Vincennes (Cipale) in addition to Lemond's comback victory in 1989.

I'd like to know why there hasn't been any criticism of Armstrong's childish, unsportsmanlike behaviour with Contador...



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