one of the arguments I see alot about not wearing helmets is that people say "our insurance rates go up because of you helmet less jerks!" (or something like that...)


but I was just thinking about something along the same lines, that is, really really fat people. don't these people cause the insurance rates to go up along the same lines as helmet less folks? there are so many health related issues with being super fat. how come I never hear people complain about them?

I couldn't care less is someone decides not to wear a helmet. It's their choice to make. It's not up to me to decide if you wear a helmet.

It's worse than that .... your tax dollars are funding programs that pay their medical costs when they develop diseases like diabetes etc...

tax dollars will always go to things people don't want them to.
fat people should be taxed more.

Fat people piss me off. I hate subsidizing them through my health insurance costs every two weeks. Just think how much less health care would cost if everybody rode bikes!!!!! We should get discounts. I believe that health insurance costs should be based solely on an annual physical every year. If you are healthy, then you pay less.

Along these lines, African Americans are more suseptable to many types of diseases then other races. Should they have to pay more in insurance because of it? In a strictly numbers sense, then yes, that would be fair, but imagine the uproar.

No, they have just as much right to their money as anyone else. If anything some of the money funneled into those public health programs should be placed into preventetive method programs. For example, a program that subsidizes the cost of a gym membership for obese people but requires them to log time at the gym to receive the money etc... :o

Fat people piss me off. I hate subsidizing them through my health insurance costs every two weeks. Just think how much less health care would cost if everybody rode bikes!!!!! We should get discounts. I believe that health insurance costs should be based solely on an annual physical every year. If you are healthy, then you pay less.

Along these lines, African Americans are more suseptable to many types of diseases then other races. Should they have to pay more in insurance because of it? In a strictly numbers sense, then yes, that would be fair, but imagine the uproar.


That's a dangerous slope you're sliding down ....

No, they have just as much right to their money as anyone else. If anything some of the money funneled into those public health programs should be placed into preventetive method programs. For example, a program that subsidizes the cost of a gym membership for obese people but requires them to log time at the gym to receive the money etc... :o


right. but charge them if they don't go to the gym. and they won't go to the gym because the are fat and lazy, therefore basicly taxing them for being fat. :)

Maybe the reason so many overweight people don't go to they gym is because they know they'll be around people with that attitude.

Yep, dangerous slope, but numbers and statistics don't care about your race, religion, or sex. However, race should not be factored into health insurance simply because it wouldn't be worth the perceived "racism".

People with more expensive cars pay more auto insurance than those with cheap cars. Shouldn't people with more "costly" bodies pay more than physically fit people who will never fall apart due to being overweight? The costs of obesity are stagering, and are now meeting and exceeding the total health care costs of cigarettes. With all of the anti-smoking commercials, shouldn't there be some anti-fat ass commercials? Nah, that would piss people off to much. :rolleyes:

how come I never hear people complain about them?Because you haven't been listening. I've been hearing it since grade school.

Maybe the reason so many overweight people don't go to they gym is because they know they'll be around people with that attitude.

haha, maybe. I don't go to gyms myself. I can't stand people that are all into being in shape. :D

no, actually I just like being outside instead of inside simulating outdoor activitys.

and for what it's worth, I'm married to a fat ass that smokes....:(

and for what it's worth, I'm married to a fat ass that smokes....:(
You are in SOOOOO much trouble when said "fat ass" reads this. :D

No, they have just as much right to their money as anyone else. If anything some of the money funneled into those public health programs should be placed into preventetive method programs. For example, a program that subsidizes the cost of a gym membership for obese people but requires them to log time at the gym to receive the money etc... :o

i think that food companies who sell products that are deemed harmful to one's health should have to contribute to the health care costs somewhat. sort of a "supply side" way of getting the money. the extra costs would be incorprated into the price of the food anyway, so essentially people that spend a lot of money on fast food will be paying more.

You are in SOOOOO much trouble when said "fat ass" reads this. :D


she won't be reading this, I'm sure.

i think that food companies who sell products that are deemed harmful to one's health should have to contribute to the health care costs somewhat. sort of a "supply side" way of getting the money. the extra costs would be incorprated into the price of the food anyway, so essentially people that spend a lot of money on fast food will be paying more.

How about warning labels like they do on cigarettes? (not that it does any good)

Warning: Eating this will make you bottom heavy.
Warning: Fat people have less sex appeal.
Warning: Blood can't flow through arteries congested with fat.
Warning: If you get winded opening this package, you probably shouldn't eat the contents.

one of the arguments I see alot about not wearing helmets is that people say "our insurance rates go up because of you helmet less jerks!" (or something like that...)


I'm never particularly impressed by selfishness dressed up as altruism.

one of the arguments I see alot about not wearing helmets is that people say "our insurance rates go up because of you helmet less jerks!" (or something like that...)


but I was just thinking about something along the same lines, that is, really really fat people. don't these people cause the insurance rates to go up along the same lines as helmet less folks? there are so many health related issues with being super fat. how come I never hear people complain about them?

Yes, obese people cause insurance rates to go up. So do smokers, fast drivers, and older people. Most employers that offer health insurance to employees group everybody together and all pay the same rate regardless of age or weight. This makes insurance affordable for the entire group even though the 55 to 60 year olds may need heart bypass oeprations at a much higher rate than the 20 year olds. I am unaware of any current trend toward increasing premium costs for obese employees, but given the alarming rate of obesity in the US, I would not be surpriseed to see some experimentation with the idea.

I can only imagine the annual company weigh-in. I wonder if it would be done right after the Christmas/New Years binge-fest?

How about warning labels like they do on cigarettes? (not that it does any good)

Warning: Eating this will make you bottom heavy.
Warning: Fat people have less sex appeal.
Warning: Blood can't flow through arteries congested with fat.
Warning: If you get winded opening this package, you probably shouldn't eat the contents.

This is the best idea I've heard yet. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen in the near future. Unlike smoking, I don't think there's going to be a passive "becoming a lardbutt" cry (which I think is the main objection most people have with smoking). Thus I doubt we'll ever see a powerful anti-greasy-food lobby at any time to pressure governments into making this requirement.

Cuties riding without helmets really burn me up.

bkr

I'm never particularly impressed by selfishness dressed up as altruism.

no but it is something people seem fond of doing.

but the argument could go both ways I think.

the overweight person is selfish because they eat too much or the skinny person is selfish because they want eveyone to be like them.

(yea, I know that probably makes no sense, I just woke up....:))

Maybe the reason so many overweight people don't go to they gym is because they know they'll be around people with that attitude.

But that kind of an attitude will help push them out of the rutt of staying fat because they will feel more guilty! Hey, when I got a whole new set of friends, most of them were in really good physical shape. They made me feel guilty being fat. So I did something about it.

Before I moved to Nashville, friends from my hometown were all obese too. I would always get comments from them saying that I looked good and I wasn't really fat, so I just stayed big! I never had anyone to push me to lose weight and get into shape.

So maybe that's what big people need, some push and humiliation! It helped me! It may hurt at the moment, but in the long-run, it will save their lives!

I'm not into guilt as a motivator. But if it works for some all the better I suppose.

Friend: Hey Bike Forum guy, what'd you do today?
Bike Forum Guy: I sat around on the bike forums and talked about how we're all so much better than fat people.
Friend: Gee, you're cool.

What a bunch of a-holes. You take attitudes like this on the road and then you wonder why drivers (and everyone else, for that matter) hate you.

Friend: Hey Bike Forum guy, what'd you do today?
Bike Forum Guy: I sat around on the bike forums and talked about how we're all so much better than fat people.
Friend: Gee, you're cool.

What a bunch of a-holes. You take attitudes like this on the road and then you wonder why drivers (and everyone else, for that matter) hate you.

uh, yea. most people use the internet to put on a fake persona. I really doubt that anyone here really tells fat people they suck.

as for people hating me, I don't wonder why they do. I even hate myself. and I have a 12 inch penis.

way to fail at the internet...... :rolleyes:

uh, yea. most people use the internet to put on a fake persona. I really doubt that anyone here really tells fat people they suck.

as for people hating me, I don't wonder why they do. I even hate myself. and I have a 12 inch penis.

way to fail at the internet...... :rolleyes:

lol....

glad you have a sense of humor. :D

This isn't the fake me. I really think i'm better than fat people :D ...... :o

Warning: If you get winded opening this package, you probably shouldn't eat the contents.

My personal favorite :D

"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for health care for all those smokers?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for education for kids when I don't have any?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for health care for all those fat people?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for public transportation when I don't use it?"

"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for anything that I don't use?"
"ME ME ME ME ME!"

You obviously have no understanding of the purpose of taxes.

As long as you think people should be going to gyms to be fit, you're exacerbating the problem. Any society where people need to pay extra money and take extra time out of their life and take special effort just to be fit is a society that does not have a naturally healthy lifestyle. So why propose some kind of warped tax solution that punishes people who don't go to gyms?

We're living in a society, people. The "us and them" mentality just helps to further the concept that you're a better and more deserving person than others.

Get off your high horses.

say it frenchie!
chow-dare.

(no one will understand what I'm talking about but what's new?)

"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for health care for all those smokers?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for education for kids when I don't have any?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for health care for all those fat people?"
"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for public transportation when I don't use it?"

"why should MY tax dollars go to pay for anything that I don't use?"
"ME ME ME ME ME!"

You obviously have no understanding of the purpose of taxes.

As long as you think people should be going to gyms to be fit, you're exacerbating the problem. Any society where people need to pay extra money and take extra time out of their life and take special effort just to be fit is a society that does not have a naturally healthy lifestyle. So why propose some kind of warped tax solution that punishes people who don't go to gyms?

We're living in a society, people. The "us and them" mentality just helps to further the concept that you're a better and more deserving person than others.

Get off your high horses.


I hate this attitude. People that put more effort into their life *ARE* more deserving than those that don't :rolleyes:

say it frenchie!
chow-dare.

(no one will understand what I'm talking about but what's new?)


Isn't that from the Simpsons?

say it frenchie!
chow-dare.

(no one will understand what I'm talking about but what's new?)

It's "chow-dah". CHOW-DAH!. I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you!

no but it is something people seem fond of doing.

but the argument could go both ways I think.

the overweight person is selfish because they eat too much or the skinny person is selfish because they want eveyone to be like them.

(yea, I know that probably makes no sense, I just woke up....:))

Personally I don't really care if people choose a lifestyle that makes them obese - I'm not exactly svelte myself. But if they try to tell me that it's normal and healthy to be that way I'll laugh in their face.

I couldn't care less is someone decides not to wear a helmet. It's their choice to make. It's not up to me to decide if you wear a helmet.
Post #2.

Somehow we got from "bald" to "fat." How's about, "bald and fat?"

:D

What a bunch of a-holes. You take attitudes like this on the road and then you wonder why drivers (and everyone else, for that matter) hate you.

Wrong. I don't take attitudes like that on the road (or even on these forums) and everyone still hates me. :rolleyes:

I hate this attitude. People that put more effort into their life *ARE* more deserving than those that don't :rolleyes:

You're absolutely right ... so long as everyone is born under the same circumstances and with the same opportunities, parents, etc., and has the same goals and aspirations.

It's "chow-dah". CHOW-DAH!. I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you!

Can we keep "The Simpsons" to the lounge area. Some people may not watch the simpsons and could get offended.

You're absolutely right ... so long as everyone is born under the same circumstances and with the same opportunities, parents, etc., and has the same goals and aspirations.


No, I don't agree with that either. There are certainly people in this world given more opportunity than others and squander it. And there are those born under awful circumstances that are able to rise above what anyone would think they're capable of. Just because one person starts out with a harder course to follow doesn't mean they should held to a lower standard than anyone else. Obviously there are exceptions to this but those people are NOT the majority and I don't believe that the exception disproves the rule.

say it frenchie!
chow-dare.

(no one will understand what I'm talking about but what's new?)

Just to be fair, that waiter did slip by himself.

Maybe the reason so many overweight people don't go to they gym is because they know they'll be around people with that attitude.

Being around people with the right attitude makes a lot of difference.
Bad attitude at a gym, probably discouraging.
Friends who don't care? Probably too encouraging.

When my girlfriend used to hang out with her friends a lot, they were all huge and lazy and guess what, she went from slim and at her ideal weight to being overweight. And now that we spend more time together, she's losing the weight again.

fat people should be taxed more.

How would it be determined who is "fat"?

There has been some talk of "fat taxes", mostly referring to food, i.e. fast food and junk food. The problem I have with that is that the same thing will happened that happened with a lot of tobacco settlement money. It was supposed to go toward tobacoo education and underage prevention, but mostly it went to general revenue. I know that in Missouri, our entire tobacco settlement money went into general revenue. You can't trust that politicians will spend the money where it is originally intended. I should know. I'm sure they'd say that it will go into excercise, education and health programs, but it won't.

Fat people piss me off. I hate subsidizing them through my health insurance costs every two weeks. Just think how much less health care would cost if everybody rode bikes!!!!! We should get discounts. I believe that health insurance costs should be based solely on an annual physical every year. If you are healthy, then you pay less.

Along these lines, African Americans are more suseptable to many types of diseases then other races. Should they have to pay more in insurance because of it? In a strictly numbers sense, then yes, that would be fair, but imagine the uproar.

We should come up with a "Final Solution" to this problem...so as to rid the Fatherland of undesirables that you don't fancy! Then, we can work on a 1,000 year Uberreich...high-end bikes, a microbiotic diet of organic foods grown by politically-correct lesbians from Kalifornia, burning of all malls and chain stores...ah, yes...a glorious utopia...it begins with you, comrade!

We should come up with a "Final Solution" to this problem...so as to rid the Fatherland of undesirables that you don't fancy! Then, we can work on a 1,000 year Uberreich...high-end bikes, a microbiotic diet of organic foods grown by politically-correct lesbians from Kalifornia, burning of all malls and chain stores...ah, yes...a glorious utopia...it begins with you, comrade!

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In all seriousness ... I'm sick of everyone trying to defend every choice a person can make. I'm sorry but everyone needs to be held to a level of accountability for the actions they take. *MOST* people are obese because of choices they've made and whether people want to admit it or not those of us who aren't obese are *forced* to make sacrifices for them that we should not have to make. I get sick to my stomach when people try and argue that I should feel some sense of comraderie with these people, that, since we belong to the same species i'm in some way indebted to them and should be willing to sacrifice things to make their lives better. I don't share that sentiment. As far as i'm concerned we as human beings would be better off without those that fail to manage their lives in a way that makes them productive members of society instead of leaching from the efforts of others. This is getting way beyond just overweight people now but i'm going to stop ranting.

We should come up with a "Final Solution" to this problem...so as to rid the Fatherland of undesirables that you don't fancy! Then, we can work on a 1,000 year Uberreich...high-end bikes, a microbiotic diet of organic foods grown by politically-correct lesbians from Kalifornia, burning of all malls and chain stores...ah, yes...a glorious utopia...it begins with you, comrade!

Nothing I said was racist. It is factual. Hey if 27 year-old white guys have any increased risk for something, than the insurance company should charge me more accordingly! I don't care if you are black, white, or purple. Insurance companies should simply play the odds based on each individual, not a large group average. If people (obese people, for example) actually paid health insurance rates based on there personal risk, and were not subsidized by healthier individuals, maybe the obese would have yet another good reason to shape up.

Geeze, mention a risk factor for a race and racism is immediately tossed out. Maybe the doctors that collect and analyze varying risk factors based on race are all RACISTS too!

one of the arguments I see alot about not wearing helmets is that people say "our insurance rates go up because of you helmet less jerks!" (or something like that...)

People have the right to do what they want (unless it's mandated by law). It's their RIGHT not to wear a helmet and it's their RIGHT to crack open their skulls and spill their brain matter all over the asphalt/dirt trail. :eek:

Have a nice day.

for a bunch of adults, you people crack me up. :D

looks like a good number of people here DO watch the simpsons. wouldn't want to offend anyone :|

"Politically correct lesibians living in Kalifornia"!
I actually laughed out loud at that. At work, no less...

People have the right to do what they want (unless it's mandated by law). It's their RIGHT not to wear a helmet and it's their RIGHT to crack open their skulls and spill their brain matter all over the asphalt/dirt trail.

Too bad it IS mandated by law in some places.