Hybrid Bicycles - So, what is a hybrid supposed to look like?

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Dannihilator
08-13-09, 12:58 AM
Well...

To me, I don't think it really matters.


MilitantPotato
08-13-09, 02:00 AM
If a comfort bike and a mountain bike love each other very much...

I think most hybrids are a mix between mountain bikes and comfort bikes, maybe a little road geometry thrown in on some.

Bianchigirll
08-14-09, 03:36 PM
Hello actualy a road, mountain and comfort bike.. when Bianchi invented and market the first hybrid with the Advantage in '88 the took the took the 700c road wheels and combined it with the upright riding position of a comfort or cruiser bike. then took the a geomentry that was not as steep and agressive as a road bike but not as relaxed as a mountain bike (which had very relaxed frames in '88) and put mountain bike gearing and brakes on it. tires were not as fat as mountain bikes but not super skinny like a road bike. the result was a comfortable stable riding bike that felt like a cruiser but was faster and could handle dirt cycling and hiking paths better than road bike.


tatfiend
08-14-09, 06:08 PM
Hello actualy a road, mountain and comfort bike.. when Bianchi invented and market the first hybrid with the Advantage in '88 the took the took the 700c road wheels and combined it with the upright riding position of a comfort or cruiser bike. then took the a geomentry that was not as steep and agressive as a road bike but not as relaxed as a mountain bike (which had very relaxed frames in '88) and put mountain bike gearing and brakes on it. tires were not as fat as mountain bikes but not super skinny like a road bike. the result was a comfortable stable riding bike that felt like a cruiser but was faster and could handle dirt cycling and hiking paths better than road bike.

Now it varies all over the map. I have a relatively early hybrid, a Univega Via de Oro which fits the above description well. I also have a Swobo Dixon and a Civia Hyland. The Swobo is a 26" wheel bike closer to the pre suspension MTB in appearance except for disc brakes and IGH while the Civia Hyland is a 700C wheeled frame with pretty much what used to be referred to as 'sports touring" geometry per Frank Berto's book from 1988 on upgrading your bike. The Civia is sold as a fast commuter bike while the Swobo is apparently more casual use oriented.

Novara even offers a drop bar bike that I would consider a hybrid in many respects, as are many loaded touring bikes. In fact to me the loaded touring bike is probably the closest "classic" form of bike to what the average hybrid has become. They had wide range triple gearing, relatively relaxed frame geometry and could take considerably wider tires than the standard "ten speed" road bike. Pretty close to what is now considered a hybrid bike by most riders.

Boudicca
08-14-09, 07:34 PM
Most roses are hybrids nowadays.

Sorry.

You can get back to bicycles now.

JanMM
08-14-09, 07:56 PM
Hello actualy a road, mountain and comfort bike.. when Bianchi invented and market the first hybrid with the Advantage in '88 the took the took the 700c road wheels and combined it with the upright riding position of a comfort or cruiser bike. then took the a geomentry that was not as steep and agressive as a road bike but not as relaxed as a mountain bike (which had very relaxed frames in '88) and put mountain bike gearing and brakes on it. tires were not as fat as mountain bikes but not super skinny like a road bike. the result was a comfortable stable riding bike that felt like a cruiser but was faster and could handle dirt cycling and hiking paths better than road bike.

Was the Bianchi Volpe not first? Around that same time.

Panthers007
08-14-09, 08:19 PM
It's a fast bike that allows one to view the panorama around them. Equally at home at a leisurely pace, or zipping along quite fast.

qmsdc15
08-14-09, 10:54 PM
Sort of a cross between a road bike and beach cruiser. Anything can come out. Comfort bikes, flat bar road bikes and fixies are common types of hybrids.

Sixty Fiver
08-14-09, 11:22 PM
Hybrid is the term marketers have used to describe the modern urban bicycle which is generally an upright with slack frame angles, a gearing between that of an mtb and road bike, and with provisions for fenders and racks.

A looser description is the combination of different elements taken from all types of cycling to build a bicycle to suit ones particular needs.

cs1
08-15-09, 03:02 AM
It's a fast bike that allows one to view the panorama around them. Equally at home at a leisurely pace, or zipping along quite fast.

While a hybrid is a great bike, fast is usually a term that doesn't jump to mind when I think of one.

Panthers007
08-15-09, 04:30 AM
While a hybrid is a great bike, fast is usually a term that doesn't jump to mind when I think of one.

Try to find a Trek FX-series bike. Then you'll understand. Some hybrids are more like a mountain-bike. Such as the 7000-series from Trek. Others are more like road-bikes in terms of the speedy and nimble ride.

Hybrids are like a pendulum swinging between a mtn-bike and a road-bike. Some are more toward the road-bike, while another may be more like a mtn-machine. With a little observation, it's easy to see if Trek 'X' is more this way - or that is more like a road-bike. It's depending on which you favor.

Happy Trails!

NormanF
08-15-09, 06:47 AM
The term hybrid is a misnomer - it should be the city or utility bike. The classic English three speed and French porteur bikes are the ancestor of today's hybrid. It refers to any bike that is not strictly a road or a mountain bike. As in "between" bikes, hybrids are the Rodney Dangerfields of the bike world. They're dismissed as a fallback bike for the ones people want to get but are either too lazy or too cheap to get. Which is not fair. Hence this new forum.

NormanF
08-15-09, 06:52 AM
If you like a leisurely ride, the old three speed would take people to the shop or to a picnic in the park. There are hybrids that can go fast but people don't buy them primarily with speed in mind. A hybrid is typically for comfort first and second for utility or touring/cycle camping roles. Another term for them is the Swiss Army Knife of bikes.

al-wagner
08-15-09, 07:21 AM
I have a Trek 7500FX with disk brakes it weights about 22 pounds. It has a road bike frame with mountain bike handle bars and 700x32 slick tires. It is a lot faster then my mountain but not quite as fast as my Trek 2200 road bike. The 2200 is about 20 pounds with 700x23 tires.

Elad63
08-15-09, 09:47 AM
so a touring bike is also a hybrid.

Cfd
08-15-09, 11:29 AM
Like this?

Siu Blue Wind
08-15-09, 12:12 PM
So would this bike be considered an almost hybrid? Trek Navigator. It's got 26 inch wheels but it's not a mtb bike. Geometry is definitely not mtb.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/Flycrow/blue.jpg

droobieinop
08-16-09, 03:06 PM
so a touring bike is also a hybrid.

Well, kinda, sorta, but not really. A hybrid can be set up to be utilized as a tourer, or a touring frame can been set up and marketed as a hybrid.

My bikes shown in the pics thread, we have three different companies, two hybrids and a tourer and the geometry is nearly identical. The trek and performance have fork rack mounts and the third doesn't. The performance, being marketed as a touring bike has a third cage mount that the hybrids do not.

As I've said elsewhere, the reason I ended up with my trek was in part because it was like a really low end/entry level touring type set up that cost maybe half as much as a truely entry level touring bike.

I'd also like to say that I was not very knowledgeable about different bikes when I got my 750 and then a few years later I was working at a shop. I learned quite a bit about different bikes while I was there, but the definition of a hybrid was quite narrow. We drew a clear distintion between hybrids and comfort bikes, often referring to the comfort bike as the ford explorer of the mtb world. Although you could take it offroad, most people never would and if they did, they weren't going muddin'.

I guess generally speaking, a hybrid is a general purpose bike intended for those who don't want a single usage type of bike, ie. trail-tour-race. It attempts to combine all the best features from these, and just like with any recipe, some interpretations work out better than others. But you can always season to your own taste.

droobieinop
08-16-09, 03:12 PM
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/Flycrow/blue.jpg

Yes, its a hybrid mtb/cruiser (baloon tire) bike. It has the performance features of a mtb with the positioning of an old single/multi speed precurser to the mtb, built to be used predominantly on the pavement.

Siu Blue Wind
08-16-09, 04:05 PM
Okay cool! I was wondering where it would fit in. Thanks! :)

qmsdc15
08-16-09, 06:42 PM
so a touring bike is also a hybrid.

This seems to be the consensus. I'd prefer to give touring bikes their own category, but there's lots of gray area. A tourer with flat bars or 26" wheels would fit my definition of hybrid.

qmsdc15
08-16-09, 06:47 PM
...I guess generally speaking, a hybrid is a general purpose bike intended for those who don't want a single usage type of bike, ie. trail-tour-race. It attempts to combine all the best features from these, and just like with any recipe, some interpretations work out better than others. But you can always season to your own taste.

Well said, I agree.

droobieinop
08-16-09, 07:18 PM
Thanx... took a little thought and inspiration.

Luddite
08-25-09, 10:12 PM
To me a Hybrid bike has flat bars, the ability to have fenders/rack/other junk and is lighter/thinner than a mtb. It's meant for general riding, but allowing for going off curbs/bumpy roads/grass/a bit of gravel.

This has been the experience of my hybrid bike, anyway. I get my ass handed to me by roadies, even dirty hippies riding old road bikes wearing flip flops a lot though, so hybrids are (IMO) slower than road bikes. Best I can get so far on my hybrid on a flat road is 32 km/h and that's if I'm working HARD.

Terrierman
08-26-09, 07:49 AM
So would this bike be considered an almost hybrid? Trek Navigator. It's got 26 inch wheels but it's not a mtb bike. Geometry is definitely not mtb.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/Flycrow/blue.jpg

Navigators definitely trend to the comfort bike end of the spectrum, super upright riding position and heavy, with the comfort bike suspension fork. A Navigator 300 is what got me back into cycling. It's been moved on and has now gotten a buddy into cycling as well. Great bike for those starting out and for anybody not in a big hurry. They really are a comfortable and reliable ride. I rode mine for about 2000 trouble free miles before moving it along in favor of the Coda.

chipcom
08-26-09, 08:06 AM
Try to find a Trek FX-series bike. Then you'll understand. Some hybrids are more like a mountain-bike. Such as the 7000-series from Trek. Others are more like road-bikes in terms of the speedy and nimble ride.

Hybrids are like a pendulum swinging between a mtn-bike and a road-bike. Some are more toward the road-bike, while another may be more like a mtn-machine. With a little observation, it's easy to see if Trek 'X' is more this way - or that is more like a road-bike. It's depending on which you favor.

Happy Trails!

I had a 7.2FX, still have a Raleigh Rt24. Fast isn't a word I'd use to describe either of them, which is why I use(d) them for snow bikes.

chipcom
08-26-09, 08:11 AM
To me a Hybrid bike has flat bars, the ability to have fenders/rack/other junk and is lighter/thinner than a mtb. It's meant for general riding, but allowing for going off curbs/bumpy roads/grass/a bit of gravel.

This has been the experience of my hybrid bike, anyway. I get my ass handed to me by roadies, even dirty hippies riding old road bikes wearing flip flops a lot though, so hybrids are (IMO) slower than road bikes. Best I can get so far on my hybrid on a flat road is 32 km/h and that's if I'm working HARD.

There are hybrids that are not really set up for racks and fenders and such. I think the term they like to use for those is 'flat bar road bikes'.

My touring bike can do anything that a hybrid can do...fat tires, racks (even on the front), fenders, off-road, on-road, rough roads, wide tires, carry a load, etc., the only real difference other than the frame geometry being the drop bars and type of shifters.

ntime60
08-26-09, 10:38 AM
It's funny reading this. wikipedia defines the hybrid as this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_bicycle).

Looking at Trek's website (http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/bike_path/#), they classify a hybrid as the 7000 series and the FX line sits in both bike path and road selections.

According to Giant's website (http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/ebike/series_591/series_591/) their hybrids are electric, which sort of makes sense.

Looking at roadbikereviews.com (http://www.roadbikereview.com/latest-bikes/hybrid-bike/PLS_5672_913crx.aspx), they have a huge list of bikes considered as a hybrid.

So I'm not really sure what a hybrid is, let alone what it is supposed to look like. It seems like the definition is a moving target.

I like my bike and I like to ride it and its looks will probably change over time as my needs do. My 7.3 is some where between a road bike and a mtb, but it's probably closer to a road bike and I'm ok with that because that is what I wanted.

sh00k
08-26-09, 10:53 AM
Simple question. Simple answer.

http://z.about.com/d/alternativefuels/1/0/0/3/-/-/07_Prius.jpg

qmsdc15
08-28-09, 07:00 AM
There are hybrids that are not really set up for racks and fenders and such. I think the term they like to use for those is 'flat bar road bikes'.

My touring bike can do anything that a hybrid can do...fat tires, racks (even on the front), fenders, off-road, on-road, rough roads, wide tires, carry a load, etc., the only real difference other than the frame geometry being the drop bars and type of shifters.

Is this bike I parked next to yesterday a hybrid? His T400 is built on the same frame as my H300, same long wheelbase, chainstays, slack angles. Wide gearing, cantilever brakes, 700x38 tires, cushy seat... Do the handlebars and down tube shifters keep it from hybrid status?

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr147/Rod_Smith/IMG_2852.jpg

chipcom
08-28-09, 07:09 AM
Is this bike I parked next to yesterday a hybrid? His T400 is built on the same frame as my H300, same long wheelbase, chainstays, slack angles. Wide gearing, cantilever brakes, 700x38 tires, cushy seat... Do the handlebars and down tube shifters keep it from hybrid status?

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr147/Rod_Smith/IMG_2852.jpg

Apparently....I think the story is that drop bars are only for elitist roadie snobs.

iforgotmename
08-28-09, 10:02 AM
Eletist roadie snobs:eek: I didn't know I was one of those:lol:

chipcom
08-28-09, 10:16 AM
Eletist roadie snobs:eek: I didn't know I was one of those:lol:

Now that you do, you gotta shave your legs.

sh00k
08-28-09, 11:01 AM
^ dont forget those elite wind resistance/aerodynamic road cycling socks!


Apparently....I think the story is that drop bars are only for elitist roadie snobs.

ROFLMAO!!!! so true... before this hybrid subforum, you have no clue how much crap i got for wanting a quick hybrid bike on the other subforums...... i got the most snarkiest/troll-esque comments... i'd love to see some of those guys ride their madones in NYC traffic at 30mph... lets see how long they last before getting hit by a cab because they didn't see it next to/behind them. :roflmao2:

mikeybikes
08-28-09, 11:05 AM
Just what is a hybrid?

S: (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&s=hybrid&i=1&h=0000#c) (n) hybrid (a composite of mixed origin) "the vice-presidency is a hybrid of administrative and legislative offices"

So... if we use the literal definition of the word hybrid, there's a freaking ton of bikes that can be classified as hybrid.

And yes, a hybrid can have drop bars.

chipcom
08-28-09, 11:06 AM
^ dont forget those elite wind resistance/aerodynamic road cycling socks!



ROFLMAO!!!! so true... before this hybrid subforum, you have no clue how much crap i got for wanting a quick hybrid bike on the other subforums...... i got the most snarkiest/troll-esque comments... i'd love to see some of those guys ride their madones in NYC traffic at 30mph... lets see how long they last before getting hit by a cab because they didn't see it next to/behind them. :roflmao2:

umm, when I was riding every day between Manhattan and Newark :eek: I was on a drop-bar bike.
You know that you don't have to always ride in the drops, right? :innocent: ;)

dewaday
08-28-09, 11:22 AM
To answer "What's a hybrid?", you'd first have to answer "What's a pure bred?".
Any takers?

chipcom
08-28-09, 11:26 AM
To answer "What's a hybrid?", you'd first have to answer "What's a pure bred?".
Any takers?

Polly Purebred and her relatives...duh.

http://wagthedog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/polly_purebred_300.gif

dewaday
08-28-09, 11:33 AM
Polly Purebred and her relatives...duh.

http://wagthedog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/polly_purebred_300.gif

Dunno, looks mongreloid to me :crash:.

iforgotmename
08-28-09, 11:59 AM
Now that you do, you gotta shave your legs.

Can I at least use nair?:D

NormanF
08-28-09, 01:20 PM
An update of the old three speed. Both Trek and Electra are offering versions of the French porteur bike for 2010.

chipcom
08-28-09, 02:10 PM
An update of the old three speed. Both Trek and Electra are offering versions of the French porteur bike for 2010.

Are they kinda like this?

http://www.chipcom.net/bikes/superbe.jpg

Terrierman
08-28-09, 02:16 PM
Apparently....I think the story is that drop bars are only for elitist roadie snobs.

silly boy, drop bars are only for masochistic poseurs:D manly men ride flat bars, exclusively.

chipcom
08-28-09, 02:19 PM
silly boy, drop bars are only for masochistic poseurs:D manly men ride flat bars, exclusively.

I'm such a gurly wussie boy.

wunderkind
08-28-09, 03:35 PM
It's a basterd child from a messed up love fest b/t MTB and a roadie back in summer of '69. :)

NormanF
08-28-09, 04:27 PM
No. More like the beloved French porteur bike of the late 1940s and 50s:


http://www.bike-magazin.de/wp-content/plugins/upload_professional/addons/explorer.php?file_id=4286&mode=w400h285

The homage is unmistakable.

dauphin
08-28-09, 04:36 PM
http://www.x-entertainment.com/updates/pics/lymon1.jpg

Sixty Fiver
08-28-09, 04:58 PM
silly boy, drop bars are only for masochistic poseurs:D manly men ride flat bars, exclusively.

Manly men can ride any damn thing they want...

:lol:

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/forrest09new4.JPG

NormanF
08-28-09, 05:05 PM
Cool Raleigh Twenty there. I used to have the original chainguard but found it couldn't go over the new chainring. Mine is set up as a fixed gear ride.

Sixty Fiver
08-28-09, 05:10 PM
Mine is also fixed / fixed...