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07-11-04, 12:41 PM
What do you use and why?
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
Foo - Mac or PC
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07-11-04, 12:56 PM
What do you use and why?
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
I've used a Dell pc at work and a G3 B&w Mac at home for
years. Of the two I'll take a Mac any day. I know that many
will claim that a PC is better but I figure ignorance is
bliss at times for the PC owners. A Mac is SO much simpler
and dependable.
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
I've used a Dell pc at work and a G3 B&w Mac at home for
years. Of the two I'll take a Mac any day. I know that many
will claim that a PC is better but I figure ignorance is
bliss at times for the PC owners. A Mac is SO much simpler
and dependable.
slvoid
07-11-04, 01:48 PM
If it's SGI, is that mac or pc?
RacerX
07-11-04, 02:18 PM
MAC always. OSX Panther and the G5 are awesome. They just came out with the 30" flatscreen display too.
Hook up the iPod and you are solid. Apple rocks.
Hook up the iPod and you are solid. Apple rocks.
iamlucky13
07-11-04, 03:50 PM
I grew up on PC and have found no reason to switch. I have no trouble keeping my PC running smoothly unlike most of the people I have known who decided to switch to mac. I think a lot of them do better with Mac's simply because they were born spyware/virus bait.
Maelstrom
07-11-04, 04:35 PM
Marzocchi or manitou
Nike or Adidas
Specialized or Norco
Php or Asp
c++ vs c# vs c++.net
vb.net vs the world
*nix vs windows
All personaly opinion. I have been working on computers for almost 20 years. Started on Apple (pre mac) and moved to PC. If it wasn't for the idoicy of the owner of Mac, Mac really would dominate the pc world. In most ways it 'WAS' superior in the late 80's and 90's (the risc processor ruled). But due to the proprietary nature of Mac no one in the right mind could afford one except some big business and some rich people. I don't findit better in any way now (imo it is toooo easy to work with loosing a lot of the control over the power it has to offer, the same can be said for winxp though) I will still take a good bsd based machine or a win2003 server based machine over mac anyday..
Keep in mind though I don't do graphics or video...;) I am strictly a network admin/programmer type geek :D
Nike or Adidas
Specialized or Norco
Php or Asp
c++ vs c# vs c++.net
vb.net vs the world
*nix vs windows
All personaly opinion. I have been working on computers for almost 20 years. Started on Apple (pre mac) and moved to PC. If it wasn't for the idoicy of the owner of Mac, Mac really would dominate the pc world. In most ways it 'WAS' superior in the late 80's and 90's (the risc processor ruled). But due to the proprietary nature of Mac no one in the right mind could afford one except some big business and some rich people. I don't findit better in any way now (imo it is toooo easy to work with loosing a lot of the control over the power it has to offer, the same can be said for winxp though) I will still take a good bsd based machine or a win2003 server based machine over mac anyday..
Keep in mind though I don't do graphics or video...;) I am strictly a network admin/programmer type geek :D
operator
07-11-04, 05:25 PM
I mainly just play games, listen to music, surf and tool around with *nix. Screw mac. More expensive and for what. Of course the macs usually have a more trendy/flashy pc case design, but then again you pay a high premium for that.
HereNT
07-11-04, 06:45 PM
I hate macs - PC all the way. But I usually do most of my interfacing with the computer by the keyboard - there are way more built in keyboard shortcuts on the PC. I hate having to touch the mouse just to say yes or no to the computer - how hard is it to put keyboard navigation in your OS?
MsVicki
07-11-04, 07:42 PM
What do you use and why?
I have always found Macs to be very user-friendly. I was strictly a Mac person for years and years, but unfortunately, you cannot get nearly as many programs for a Mac as you can for a pc, and I finally got tired of friends talking about all the programs they bought or downloaded that Mac users just could not get. I do still use Imacs at school, although I have a pc at home.
In other words, I like both.
I have always found Macs to be very user-friendly. I was strictly a Mac person for years and years, but unfortunately, you cannot get nearly as many programs for a Mac as you can for a pc, and I finally got tired of friends talking about all the programs they bought or downloaded that Mac users just could not get. I do still use Imacs at school, although I have a pc at home.
In other words, I like both.
danr
07-11-04, 08:44 PM
I have both. I use my PC only when I study for the next network certification test. Other than that, I use my Mac exclusively. As a matter of fact, I haven't had my PC on for 2 weeks. I'll turn it on tomorrow since I have a test to study for, but the first thing I'm going to run is Windows Update so I don't get slammed with a virus.
IMHO, it is strictly personal opinion. Some people like the variety of programs you can get with a PC, so they are willing to deal with the negatives of a PC to get those programs. Me? I am happy with just about all Mac programs. Although Appleworks sucks, I did purchase Microsoft Office for Mac and it works quite well.
I can go on and on, but that about sums it up for me.
IMHO, it is strictly personal opinion. Some people like the variety of programs you can get with a PC, so they are willing to deal with the negatives of a PC to get those programs. Me? I am happy with just about all Mac programs. Although Appleworks sucks, I did purchase Microsoft Office for Mac and it works quite well.
I can go on and on, but that about sums it up for me.
slvoid
07-11-04, 08:55 PM
I know someone who's been word processing, doing spread sheets, keeping contacts for his business, emailing, faxing, basically running his own business on a sharp zaurus 5800 pocket organizer.
Someone else ran an entire accounting business off a single 486 25mhz computer, still does, running linux.
It's amazing how complicated the most simple things are nowadays.
Someone else ran an entire accounting business off a single 486 25mhz computer, still does, running linux.
It's amazing how complicated the most simple things are nowadays.
danr
07-11-04, 08:59 PM
I've used a Dell pc at work and a G3 B&w Mac at home for
years. Of the two I'll take a Mac any day. I know that many
will claim that a PC is better but I figure ignorance is
bliss at times for the PC owners. A Mac is SO much simpler
and dependable.
Funny. In the past 6 months, my main computers at work were a 2.8 GHz P4 Dell, and a 2.8 GHz P4 HP, both with 1 GB RAM. They are certified pieces of garbage. I will take my 2 year old, G4 700 MHz, eMac anyday over those 2. As a matter of fact, I am sure that my eMac will last me at least another 3 years, barring any catastrophic hardware failure. Not bad for a computer I paid $1100 USD for 2 years ago. What I really hate is how the PC can't handle graphics. If you have a process that is taking up significant processor time, the PC will take forever to handle the simplest of graphics request, like redrawing a window. You get stuck staring at a window border taking its sweet time filling up while a Word document saves. The Mac just doesn't do that, no matter what you throw at it.
But like I said before, it is all a matter of personal opinion. People who like PCs are willing to deal with reboots, spy/adware, and how critical patches somehow break more things than they fix.
years. Of the two I'll take a Mac any day. I know that many
will claim that a PC is better but I figure ignorance is
bliss at times for the PC owners. A Mac is SO much simpler
and dependable.
Funny. In the past 6 months, my main computers at work were a 2.8 GHz P4 Dell, and a 2.8 GHz P4 HP, both with 1 GB RAM. They are certified pieces of garbage. I will take my 2 year old, G4 700 MHz, eMac anyday over those 2. As a matter of fact, I am sure that my eMac will last me at least another 3 years, barring any catastrophic hardware failure. Not bad for a computer I paid $1100 USD for 2 years ago. What I really hate is how the PC can't handle graphics. If you have a process that is taking up significant processor time, the PC will take forever to handle the simplest of graphics request, like redrawing a window. You get stuck staring at a window border taking its sweet time filling up while a Word document saves. The Mac just doesn't do that, no matter what you throw at it.
But like I said before, it is all a matter of personal opinion. People who like PCs are willing to deal with reboots, spy/adware, and how critical patches somehow break more things than they fix.
slvoid
07-11-04, 09:13 PM
Funny. In the past 6 months, my main computers at work were a 2.8 GHz P4 Dell, and a 2.8 GHz P4 HP, both with 1 GB RAM. They are certified pieces of garbage. I will take my 2 year old, G4 700 MHz, eMac anyday over those 2. As a matter of fact, I am sure that my eMac will last me at least another 3 years, barring any catastrophic hardware failure. Not bad for a computer I paid $1100 USD for 2 years ago. What I really hate is how the PC can't handle graphics. If you have a process that is taking up significant processor time, the PC will take forever to handle the simplest of graphics request, like redrawing a window. You get stuck staring at a window border taking its sweet time filling up while a Word document saves. The Mac just doesn't do that, no matter what you throw at it.
But like I said before, it is all a matter of personal opinion. People who like PCs are willing to deal with reboots, spy/adware, and how critical patches somehow break more things than they fix.
Try linux on your PC.
But like I said before, it is all a matter of personal opinion. People who like PCs are willing to deal with reboots, spy/adware, and how critical patches somehow break more things than they fix.
Try linux on your PC.
Zin
07-11-04, 09:24 PM
I have 200 PCs online and about 15 laptops of the Intel processor variety. Zero Motorola processors. Oh, I also have one RS/6000 running IBM AIX 5 L.
operator
07-11-04, 09:47 PM
Funny. In the past 6 months, my main computers at work were a 2.8 GHz P4 Dell, and a 2.8 GHz P4 HP, both with 1 GB RAM. They are certified pieces of garbage. I will take my 2 year old, G4 700 MHz, eMac anyday over those 2. As a matter of fact, I am sure that my eMac will last me at least another 3 years, barring any catastrophic hardware failure. Not bad for a computer I paid $1100 USD for 2 years ago. What I really hate is how the PC can't handle graphics. If you have a process that is taking up significant processor time, the PC will take forever to handle the simplest of graphics request, like redrawing a window. You get stuck staring at a window border taking its sweet time filling up while a Word document saves. The Mac just doesn't do that, no matter what you throw at it.
You're telling us about problems with a ... Dell and HP? Give me a break, of course they're garbage. Your anecdotal evidence is seriously misrepresenting what is actually happening.
Not only do you have to have good hardware, you also need someone who can setup the computer properly. I'm guessing you can do neither.
You're telling us about problems with a ... Dell and HP? Give me a break, of course they're garbage. Your anecdotal evidence is seriously misrepresenting what is actually happening.
Not only do you have to have good hardware, you also need someone who can setup the computer properly. I'm guessing you can do neither.
skitbraviking
07-11-04, 09:53 PM
Mac, because only a dumb ass beotch would use a PC.
skitbraviking
07-11-04, 09:55 PM
Oh, wait. I am typing on one right now...
But that is only because I have to, as I am at a teacher's seminar in a Catholic Conference center (don't ask).
But seriously, just watch the recent Mac Expo keynote and you have to be amazed. And recognize that Apple leads and PCs follow.
But that is only because I have to, as I am at a teacher's seminar in a Catholic Conference center (don't ask).
But seriously, just watch the recent Mac Expo keynote and you have to be amazed. And recognize that Apple leads and PCs follow.
danr
07-11-04, 10:09 PM
You're telling us about problems with a ... Dell and HP? Give me a break, of course they're garbage. Your anecdotal evidence is seriously misrepresenting what is actually happening.
Not only do you have to have good hardware, you also need someone who can setup the computer properly. I'm guessing you can do neither.
Oooh, another computer geek challenge. If you must know, I also have a home PC with respectable hardware that I have tweaked. It doesn't run as crappy as the Dell or HP, but it still has its glitches. In addition, I alluded to the the fact that PCs tend to be insecure. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that quality hardware won't take care of that problem. I won't go into detail since, quite frankly, I am tired of getting into computer geek ego battles. I get enough of that at work and I usually have more important things to do anyways (besides the fact that I'm usually right since many of them never really take the time to find out what is really going on before they start blabbing their mouths). However, I feel that it is fair to compare my puny little Mac to HPs and Dells since most PC users have experience with these machines, or their equivalents.
But you have a good point slvoid, why not install Linux? I probably will down the line.
Not only do you have to have good hardware, you also need someone who can setup the computer properly. I'm guessing you can do neither.
Oooh, another computer geek challenge. If you must know, I also have a home PC with respectable hardware that I have tweaked. It doesn't run as crappy as the Dell or HP, but it still has its glitches. In addition, I alluded to the the fact that PCs tend to be insecure. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that quality hardware won't take care of that problem. I won't go into detail since, quite frankly, I am tired of getting into computer geek ego battles. I get enough of that at work and I usually have more important things to do anyways (besides the fact that I'm usually right since many of them never really take the time to find out what is really going on before they start blabbing their mouths). However, I feel that it is fair to compare my puny little Mac to HPs and Dells since most PC users have experience with these machines, or their equivalents.
But you have a good point slvoid, why not install Linux? I probably will down the line.
SlipperySlope
07-11-04, 10:33 PM
unfortunately, you cannot get nearly as many programs for a Mac as you can for a pc, and I finally got tired of friends talking about all the programs they bought or downloaded that Mac users just could not get.
Like... what? I hear this argument a lot from PC people but, frankly, I have not found one thing you can do on a PC that I can't do on my iMac. Maybe some games?
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
Like... what? I hear this argument a lot from PC people but, frankly, I have not found one thing you can do on a PC that I can't do on my iMac. Maybe some games?
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
slvoid
07-11-04, 10:58 PM
Like... what? I hear this argument a lot from PC people but, frankly, I have not found one thing you can do on a PC that I can't do on my iMac. Maybe some games?
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
Bootleg software. LOL. :p
Believe me, if macs were as big as pc's in market share, they'll be plenty o' viriiii.
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
Bootleg software. LOL. :p
Believe me, if macs were as big as pc's in market share, they'll be plenty o' viriiii.
Raiyn
07-11-04, 11:13 PM
Homebuilt PC. Dreaming about the G5.
MsVicki
07-11-04, 11:36 PM
Like... what? I hear this argument a lot from PC people but, frankly, I have not found one thing you can do on a PC that I can't do on my iMac. Maybe some games?
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
I haven't used the latest Macs, but I am told they are great now. I think the last Mac I had was like a Mac 5200 or something (old, old).
Several years ago, when I switched to a pc, the Macs were not as good and did not have as many programs as pc's, in my opinion. NOW I wish I could afford to get a Mac though! I sure never worried about rebooting all the time and getting viruses when I was on a Mac.
Anyway, I like Macs (I've used both) - and I think one reason, apart from way cool design, is that Macs are not as big a target for viruses as PCs running Windows.
And OsX is great - e.g., try the Safari browser and you will never see a pop-up again.
I haven't used the latest Macs, but I am told they are great now. I think the last Mac I had was like a Mac 5200 or something (old, old).
Several years ago, when I switched to a pc, the Macs were not as good and did not have as many programs as pc's, in my opinion. NOW I wish I could afford to get a Mac though! I sure never worried about rebooting all the time and getting viruses when I was on a Mac.
Fugazi Dave
07-11-04, 11:41 PM
Mac until I die. The basic logic of the OS just fits me so much better. PCs are too cryptic for my liking. And besides, I'm a photographer and designer, so some would say I'm pretty much supposed to be a Mac user. :p Someday I will have a whole fleet of high-end Macs as well as an SGI workstation or two. It will be sweet.
khuon
07-11-04, 11:41 PM
What do you use and why?
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
Neither. ;) My main machine is a Sun. Actually I do use PCs but they mostly run FreeBSD which BTW is the core of Mac OSX. I also have a few "Wintel" boxes for those times when I just have to use Windows based software that doesn't have a Unix-based substitute such as Visio.
I use both. Some things I do require PC but overall, I like Mac more.
Neither. ;) My main machine is a Sun. Actually I do use PCs but they mostly run FreeBSD which BTW is the core of Mac OSX. I also have a few "Wintel" boxes for those times when I just have to use Windows based software that doesn't have a Unix-based substitute such as Visio.
khuon
07-11-04, 11:44 PM
If it's SGI, is that mac or pc?
Depends... :D For the traditional SGI user who's rolling with IRIX, then it has more in common with Macs although very slightly. However, as I recall, SGI did embark on a campaign to support Intel (vs MIPS) and Windows for their workstations. However, that was quite a number of years ago when they had that moron of a CEO who screwed up HP in the same manner. I'm not sure SGI ever officially "switched platforms". As a matter of fact, I'm not all that sure of SGIs status in general these days. /* sigh */ I mourn for SGI and HP.
Depends... :D For the traditional SGI user who's rolling with IRIX, then it has more in common with Macs although very slightly. However, as I recall, SGI did embark on a campaign to support Intel (vs MIPS) and Windows for their workstations. However, that was quite a number of years ago when they had that moron of a CEO who screwed up HP in the same manner. I'm not sure SGI ever officially "switched platforms". As a matter of fact, I'm not all that sure of SGIs status in general these days. /* sigh */ I mourn for SGI and HP.
khuon
07-11-04, 11:52 PM
I have 200 PCs online and about 15 laptops of the Intel processor variety. Zero Motorola processors. Oh, I also have one RS/6000 running IBM AIX 5 L.
I tip my hat to you sir. :)
My RS/6000-530 deskside is sitting unpowered and unloved. I have a ton of stuff for it but haven't devoted the time to getting it back up and running since I moved three years ago. It's not even a PowerPC machine but an older generation POWER2 (running at 25 whopping MHz) based machine with MCA... circa 1990. Puts out at least 5,000BTU of heat and nearly doubles my electric bill though.
You can see it here off in the upper corner in this picture of my MTB in the garage.
http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/albums/1999-k2-ozm/PICT0002.jpg
P.S. I also should resurrect my DECstation 5000/120 too. I had it running NetBSD but would love to set it up with OpenVMS or Digital UNIX just for prosterity sake.
I tip my hat to you sir. :)
My RS/6000-530 deskside is sitting unpowered and unloved. I have a ton of stuff for it but haven't devoted the time to getting it back up and running since I moved three years ago. It's not even a PowerPC machine but an older generation POWER2 (running at 25 whopping MHz) based machine with MCA... circa 1990. Puts out at least 5,000BTU of heat and nearly doubles my electric bill though.
You can see it here off in the upper corner in this picture of my MTB in the garage.
http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/albums/1999-k2-ozm/PICT0002.jpg
P.S. I also should resurrect my DECstation 5000/120 too. I had it running NetBSD but would love to set it up with OpenVMS or Digital UNIX just for prosterity sake.
Fugazi Dave
07-11-04, 11:53 PM
I wouldn't mourn for SGI when their workstations are being used by the likes of Weta for things like LOTR and the upcoming NGE live action adaptations. Granted, Weta doesn't support anything but a very small piece of the SGI market share, but you can bet that if there was a better option for high end graphics on machines with disgusting amounts of bandwidth, they'd be using it.
khuon
07-11-04, 11:56 PM
I wouldn't mourn for SGI when their workstations are being used by the likes of Weta for things like LOTR and the upcoming NGE live action adaptations. Granted, Weta doesn't support anything but a very small piece of the SGI market share, but you can bet that if there was a better option for high end graphics on machines with disgusting amounts of bandwidth, they'd be using it.
Well, I mourn for the fact that they're relatively unnoticed except by a small few in the know but I suppose that's always been the case hasn't it? I mourn for the damage that occurred under previous (and possibly still present) management. They were once a huge powerhouse in the industry but they've been reduced to a shadow of their former selves. My corporate office is right across the street from SGI and everytime I visit there, I notice a general loss of morale. Hopefully they will rise once again. And that reminds me that I need to start hunting for an SGI to add to my stable of machines... maybe an old Octane.
BTW, I loved that scene in Twister where the "bad guy" tornado chasers were banging away on an SGI laptop (doesn't really exist although Tadpole/RDI made a MIPS based laptop that did run Irix) and the "good guy" tornado chasers had some plain vanilla laptop that was shown running Irix and a little piece of masking tape below the screen with "S-G-I" written on it with a ballpoint pen.
Well, I mourn for the fact that they're relatively unnoticed except by a small few in the know but I suppose that's always been the case hasn't it? I mourn for the damage that occurred under previous (and possibly still present) management. They were once a huge powerhouse in the industry but they've been reduced to a shadow of their former selves. My corporate office is right across the street from SGI and everytime I visit there, I notice a general loss of morale. Hopefully they will rise once again. And that reminds me that I need to start hunting for an SGI to add to my stable of machines... maybe an old Octane.
BTW, I loved that scene in Twister where the "bad guy" tornado chasers were banging away on an SGI laptop (doesn't really exist although Tadpole/RDI made a MIPS based laptop that did run Irix) and the "good guy" tornado chasers had some plain vanilla laptop that was shown running Irix and a little piece of masking tape below the screen with "S-G-I" written on it with a ballpoint pen.
khuon
07-12-04, 12:03 AM
Try linux on your PC.
I have a small variety of linux boxes. My laptop triple-boots FreeBSD, WindowsXP and RedHat Linux. I also have a couple of other machine which I use as reference platforms running embedded MontaVista Linux. And my PDA is a Sharp Zaurus running Embedix Linux. Oh... and of course my Philips DirecTV/TiVo DVR runs linux. All in all though, as far as free Unix-like OSes go, I prefer FreeBSD... especially for x86 and NetBSD for everything else.
Besides... who can argue with this reason of why BSD is superior to Linux (http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html)? :D
Ahhh... aren't OS wars fun? Almost as good as Campy vs. Shimano. :D
I have a small variety of linux boxes. My laptop triple-boots FreeBSD, WindowsXP and RedHat Linux. I also have a couple of other machine which I use as reference platforms running embedded MontaVista Linux. And my PDA is a Sharp Zaurus running Embedix Linux. Oh... and of course my Philips DirecTV/TiVo DVR runs linux. All in all though, as far as free Unix-like OSes go, I prefer FreeBSD... especially for x86 and NetBSD for everything else.
Besides... who can argue with this reason of why BSD is superior to Linux (http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html)? :D
Ahhh... aren't OS wars fun? Almost as good as Campy vs. Shimano. :D
catatonic
07-12-04, 01:05 AM
PC- There's more games for the PC platform, plus gaming hardware. I'm an avid computer gamer, and actually have a dedicated system for it, so that matters for me.
Now is you want to know what OS? Windows XP pro. Soon to be replaced by Fedora Core Linux, well as soon as I get my Radeon 9800 to cooperate with WineX.
Now is you want to know what OS? Windows XP pro. Soon to be replaced by Fedora Core Linux, well as soon as I get my Radeon 9800 to cooperate with WineX.
sarsparilla
07-12-04, 06:51 AM
I too am addicted to computer gaming (ever since I played doom and castle wolfenstein when I was like 4). I've run pcs forever. I've considered macs a few times, a lot of my friends use them and say how reliable they are but there isn't as much software out there for them. It is getting better, but by now I'm just used to pcs. I've never had problems with spyware or viruses with my pc like some of my other friends have, I just stay away from kazaa and those other p2p programs, I'm not into pirated software anyway.
Maelstrom
07-12-04, 11:55 AM
Mac's Suck :D
http://matg.home.comcast.net/mac.swf
An oldy but a goody
http://matg.home.comcast.net/mac.swf
An oldy but a goody
Fugazi Dave
07-12-04, 12:16 PM
Mac's Suck :D
http://matg.home.comcast.net/mac.swf
An oldy but a goody
The thing I love about that is that essentially none of it is true at this point.
http://matg.home.comcast.net/mac.swf
An oldy but a goody
The thing I love about that is that essentially none of it is true at this point.
temp1
07-12-04, 12:17 PM
A Mac with Office on it. I use a Mac because of the superior presentation and media software. PowerPoint is atrocious. I also believe Macs are very well priced for what you get.
Maelstrom
07-12-04, 12:28 PM
The thing I love about that is that essentially none of it is true at this point.
Yeah I know. All of those issues went away a few years ago...
But it is still funny :D
Yeah I know. All of those issues went away a few years ago...
But it is still funny :D
Moistfly
07-12-04, 12:33 PM
At work we have a test lab with pretty much anything imaginable at our disposal. At home an XP machine ... because all I really use it for is gaming.
catatonic
07-12-04, 12:56 PM
Heh, i know, my PC cracks me up...it's basically a $3k X-Box :p
sometimes going back to consoles is very tempting....
sometimes going back to consoles is very tempting....
Maelstrom
07-12-04, 01:01 PM
I made the transition. I only play games on my console. So much cheaper and almost always as good (some games lack but really I don't have time to nitpick anymore, I am not 15 anymore ;))
MERTON
07-12-04, 01:02 PM
Heh, i know, my PC cracks me up...it's basically a $3k X-Box :p
sometimes going back to consoles is very tempting....
try it when the new systems come out. it's only a few years. i don't think there will be many more after them. what would be the point? only handheld gaming will evolve at that point. although the new nintendo ds may enjoy a long stay. and maybe a non eye hurting virtual boy type visor/processor to make games trully 3d.
sometimes going back to consoles is very tempting....
try it when the new systems come out. it's only a few years. i don't think there will be many more after them. what would be the point? only handheld gaming will evolve at that point. although the new nintendo ds may enjoy a long stay. and maybe a non eye hurting virtual boy type visor/processor to make games trully 3d.
Zin
07-12-04, 01:17 PM
I tip my hat to you sir. :)
My RS/6000-530 deskside is sitting unpowered and unloved. I have a ton of stuff for it but haven't devoted the time to getting it back up and running since I moved three years ago. It's not even a PowerPC machine but an older generation POWER2 (running at 25 whopping MHz) based machine with MCA... circa 1990. Puts out at least 5,000BTU of heat and nearly doubles my electric bill though.
You can see it here off in the upper corner in this picture of my MTB in the garage.
P.S. I also should resurrect my DECstation 5000/120 too. I had it running NetBSD but would love to set it up with OpenVMS or Digital UNIX just for prosterity sake.
I don't know how I missed this reply, khoun, but I sure did!
Hey, MCA architecture was way ahead of its time! My first experience with MCA was with the old 286 machines with the 'KEY' to set the boot sequence for 'normal' or 'diagnostic'. Man, those were the days.
Our RS/6000 an IBM P-SERIES 7038-6M2. (http://www-132.ibm.com/content/home/store_IBMPublicUSA/en_US/eServer/pSeries/mid_range/6506M2_70386M2650M.html) 6-way. The other servers are Intel based systems. 1 X-series 255 4 processor and the others are all dual processor X-series 342. Oh I forgot the AS/400.
Its funny. When I look at processing power, I don't even think of MAC vs. PC. Either one are just a necessary evil in my book. :rolleyes:
My RS/6000-530 deskside is sitting unpowered and unloved. I have a ton of stuff for it but haven't devoted the time to getting it back up and running since I moved three years ago. It's not even a PowerPC machine but an older generation POWER2 (running at 25 whopping MHz) based machine with MCA... circa 1990. Puts out at least 5,000BTU of heat and nearly doubles my electric bill though.
You can see it here off in the upper corner in this picture of my MTB in the garage.
P.S. I also should resurrect my DECstation 5000/120 too. I had it running NetBSD but would love to set it up with OpenVMS or Digital UNIX just for prosterity sake.
I don't know how I missed this reply, khoun, but I sure did!
Hey, MCA architecture was way ahead of its time! My first experience with MCA was with the old 286 machines with the 'KEY' to set the boot sequence for 'normal' or 'diagnostic'. Man, those were the days.
Our RS/6000 an IBM P-SERIES 7038-6M2. (http://www-132.ibm.com/content/home/store_IBMPublicUSA/en_US/eServer/pSeries/mid_range/6506M2_70386M2650M.html) 6-way. The other servers are Intel based systems. 1 X-series 255 4 processor and the others are all dual processor X-series 342. Oh I forgot the AS/400.
Its funny. When I look at processing power, I don't even think of MAC vs. PC. Either one are just a necessary evil in my book. :rolleyes:
Zin
07-12-04, 01:23 PM
Neither. ;) My main machine is a Sun. Actually I do use PCs but they mostly run FreeBSD which BTW is the core of Mac OSX. I also have a few "Wintel" boxes for those times when I just have to use Windows based software that doesn't have a Unix-based substitute such as Visio.
I use Visio too! I sure liked it better before Microsoft got their hands on it!
I use Visio too! I sure liked it better before Microsoft got their hands on it!
jfmckenna
07-12-04, 02:27 PM
I like PC's because of the do it your self nature of them. They are easy to build and upgrade and trade parts for and so on. I was responsible for a lab at my college that ran about 30 PC's and 10 Mac's, the ones with os9 and x on them. I found that to be a pain in the asss switching between the os's to run specific programs. Plus there were problems with freezez ect as seen on many PC's. I guess by now osx is dominant and that would be for the better. At work I am set up w/ win2000 on an amd 1ghz and it runs very stable. We also use macs for processing and working with video. At home my server is a PIII 500 running Debian, behind that I have 3 computers triple and double booted with win98 / 2000 / red hat ect... I found win xp to be the most horrible experience of my life and will never use it again.
catatonic
07-12-04, 05:23 PM
Yep, I love toying with my hardware too...proof here. It's the large chromed out tower :)
here's the whole directory since i'm too lazy to make multiple links.
http://www.strike9.com/profile.aspx?name=Catatonic
here's the whole directory since i'm too lazy to make multiple links.
http://www.strike9.com/profile.aspx?name=Catatonic
Fugazi Dave
07-12-04, 06:17 PM
I like decorating mine....and chaining it to things...
catatonic
07-12-04, 07:23 PM
Heh, never thought anyone would put stickers on a powermac :)
I've seen some twisted guy mod a Mac G4 case to fit a PC, then made the logo red and the case black...it was called the "rotten apple".
Actually I want to mod a G5 tower...that massive frontal mesh area gives me a neat new watercooling idea...now where can I find 2 Mack truck heatercores? :p
BTW the heatercore I used in my rig was from a 1970s fiat. If anyone ever goes water in their PC, grab a heatercore to use as a radiator, far cheaper, and performs better.
I've seen some twisted guy mod a Mac G4 case to fit a PC, then made the logo red and the case black...it was called the "rotten apple".
Actually I want to mod a G5 tower...that massive frontal mesh area gives me a neat new watercooling idea...now where can I find 2 Mack truck heatercores? :p
BTW the heatercore I used in my rig was from a 1970s fiat. If anyone ever goes water in their PC, grab a heatercore to use as a radiator, far cheaper, and performs better.
khuon
07-12-04, 07:27 PM
I use Visio too! I sure liked it better before Microsoft got their hands on it!
The really sad part was that as I understood it, the folks at Visio were on the verge of porting it to random Unix OSes like Solaris, linux, SCO, etc... Then they got bought by Microsoft and that project went out the window... no pun intended.
I used to run Visio under Wabi under Solaris and it worked fairly well. However, when Microsoft started bloating it, that was no longer possible. Even now it seems to run so much more slowly under Windows than before the acquisition.
The really sad part was that as I understood it, the folks at Visio were on the verge of porting it to random Unix OSes like Solaris, linux, SCO, etc... Then they got bought by Microsoft and that project went out the window... no pun intended.
I used to run Visio under Wabi under Solaris and it worked fairly well. However, when Microsoft started bloating it, that was no longer possible. Even now it seems to run so much more slowly under Windows than before the acquisition.
khuon
07-12-04, 07:34 PM
I don't know how I missed this reply, khoun, but I sure did!
Hey, MCA architecture was way ahead of its time! My first experience with MCA was with the old 286 machines with the 'KEY' to set the boot sequence for 'normal' or 'diagnostic'. Man, those were the days.
Heh... waxing nostalgia. I remember the IBM RTs running vanilla 4.1BSD. And yeah... the key thing is amusing. I still have "The Big Book" of bootcodes. You know... boot the machine with the key in maint/diag and watching for the flashing 2-digit code sequence so you can look it up in the book only to be told to call IBM and request FRU-blah-blah-blah for a small sum of $10,000 per part. :)
Oh I forgot the AS/400.
Ahh yum... want to try something funny? Load Cisco IOS on it. Yep, Cisco did a port of IOS to the AS/400 platform once. 'Course you probably already have it doing something useful.
Its funny. When I look at processing power, I don't even think of MAC vs. PC. Either one are just a necessary evil in my book. :rolleyes:
Well, I'm glad to see I'm in good company with that one. :)
Hey, MCA architecture was way ahead of its time! My first experience with MCA was with the old 286 machines with the 'KEY' to set the boot sequence for 'normal' or 'diagnostic'. Man, those were the days.
Heh... waxing nostalgia. I remember the IBM RTs running vanilla 4.1BSD. And yeah... the key thing is amusing. I still have "The Big Book" of bootcodes. You know... boot the machine with the key in maint/diag and watching for the flashing 2-digit code sequence so you can look it up in the book only to be told to call IBM and request FRU-blah-blah-blah for a small sum of $10,000 per part. :)
Oh I forgot the AS/400.
Ahh yum... want to try something funny? Load Cisco IOS on it. Yep, Cisco did a port of IOS to the AS/400 platform once. 'Course you probably already have it doing something useful.
Its funny. When I look at processing power, I don't even think of MAC vs. PC. Either one are just a necessary evil in my book. :rolleyes:
Well, I'm glad to see I'm in good company with that one. :)
Zin
07-12-04, 09:53 PM
<snip>
Ahh yum... want to try something funny? Load Cisco IOS on it. Yep, Cisco did a port of IOS to the AS/400 platform once. 'Course you probably already have it doing something useful.
Well, I'm glad to see I'm in good company with that one. :)
Actually, we will be turning the AS/400 off in the "near" future. It is being replaced by the RS/6000. Overall, the box is good, the OS is top notch, but the application stinks. But that is another story. Lets just say that taking a perfectly good character based system and porting it to a Windows gui using JAVA leaves one scratching his head in amazement of the laziness of the general BDU*. (replacing one AS/400 with the 6-way RS/6000 and a 4 processor Xseries 255)
I guess we have hijacked this thread long enough. :rolleyes:
* PM me if you need me to define the use of BDU in this post. ;)
Ahh yum... want to try something funny? Load Cisco IOS on it. Yep, Cisco did a port of IOS to the AS/400 platform once. 'Course you probably already have it doing something useful.
Well, I'm glad to see I'm in good company with that one. :)
Actually, we will be turning the AS/400 off in the "near" future. It is being replaced by the RS/6000. Overall, the box is good, the OS is top notch, but the application stinks. But that is another story. Lets just say that taking a perfectly good character based system and porting it to a Windows gui using JAVA leaves one scratching his head in amazement of the laziness of the general BDU*. (replacing one AS/400 with the 6-way RS/6000 and a 4 processor Xseries 255)
I guess we have hijacked this thread long enough. :rolleyes:
* PM me if you need me to define the use of BDU in this post. ;)
SlipperySlope
07-13-04, 07:13 AM
I never knew that so many bikers were...
computer weenies!
computer weenies!
HereNT
07-13-04, 08:51 AM
Uh.... this is an online forum... one might think computer skills were a prerequisite to be here...
I love the SUN machines I get to use at work, but I don't have the logins or knowledge to really get them doing what they could...
But still - THW Macs!!!!
I love the SUN machines I get to use at work, but I don't have the logins or knowledge to really get them doing what they could...
But still - THW Macs!!!!