Classic & Vintage - restoring a disgraced marinoni

Just picked this up of craigslist.. The poor schmuck who had it "painted it silver because it was pink"

He did a terrible job.. I'm hoping it's terrible enough to come right off if i use the right substance? acetone?

Any tips would be appreciated.. I can see the decals underneath and would love to restore it to the original paint job..

Also, any ideas on what year it is?

3ttt stem and bars
gipiemme crank, brakes, seatpost, BB, headset
campy shifters, derailleurs

http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni

Thanks!

Ouch, was it the one posted on craigslist montreal? You could try furniture stripper but do a test on an hidded portion like under the bb shell. Sometimes it only remove the first layer of payint if you dont leave it for too long. If you're close to Montreal the best thing t do would be to just have it repainted at Marinoni , they are quite affordable.

ps. you have some nice track pedals on that thing

whoulda said silver dipped marinoni

Just picked this up of craigslist.. The poor schmuck who had it "painted it silver because it was pink"

He did a terrible job.. I'm hoping it's terrible enough to come right off if i use the right substance? acetone?

Any tips would be appreciated.. I can see the decals underneath and would love to restore it to the original paint job..

Also, any ideas on what year it is?

3ttt stem and bars
gipiemme crank, brakes, seatpost, BB, headset
campy shifters, derailleurs

http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni


Thanks!


Previous owner was not a real man. Real men can ride a pink bike without having their masculinity threatened. :thumb:

I suspect you can get that silver stuff off with goof-off or a similar solvent. Be patient, it may take a while. And do it outside; there's no need to breathe the fumes.

yup, it's the one from craigslist montreal.. thanks for the tips

same stuff to remove the silver paint from the components?

He painted the components?? Get a rope, boys - thar be some hangin' to do...

well, i don't think he meant to paint the components.. sigh

http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni/Images/6.jpg
http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni/Images/13.jpg

oh man...

http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni/Images/7.jpg

Get the rope for sure! I just came back from a ride on my ,87 Marinoni Special. Beautiful bikes. I also have a '91 Marinoni track bike with a Gipiemme group on it. If you can get to see the serial the first number is the year in the decade in which it was made. In this case if it is a high number it is likely eighties if low than likely nineties. For sure I would try just mineral spirits (paint thinner) to start, even try some wd 40, before you get into using the heavy duty stuff. Usually it comes off the components quite readily.

Looks like a rattle can paint job; I've successfully removed this type of paint with 3M Safe Stripper and it left the original frame paint intact. But it did remove any decals that weren't clear coated. You should start with the milder stuff like methanol, and if that doesn't work, go on to harsher stuff like acetone, 3M Safe Stripper.

the decals should be under the clear coat.. right?

If you use methanol - Doversol or wood alcohol - wear rubber-gloves and work outdoors. The vapors from that, and skin-absorption of the liquid, cause a gruesome form of poisoning: Low dose - terrible muscle and bone aches. Medium dose - Dizziness and blindness (may be permanent). High dose - Death.

Try to find another chemical to use that's less toxic.

Did he paint the headset and brake calipers black also or are they anodized?

vjp

anodized.. i think this paint job took about 10 minutes.. 15 at most

gonna take longer than that to fix, though!

thanks for the tips.

I'm going to try varsol, and then maybe the 3M safe stripper

I agree with terrors, the paint should come off the components pretty easily. The frame will be harder, especially since the original paint may not be too solid. I think using something mild and testing your methods on an inconspicuous place first is a good idea!

As for the year, guesswork is fun and all, but the foolproof way to know is to send a request with the serial number to Marinoni (email on their website). They will tell you when it was made, and what tubing they used.

Regardless of the colour, Marinoni bikes ride really well. You'll love it!

its gonna be a beauty! "Yo voy a Ti'" "YOU CAN DO IT!"

Could be worse!

That bent one isn't such a basket case - could be straightened quite quickly.

-Kurt

I think Citrus-Strip is a step milder than the 3M stuff. I can barely look at that Campy headset with paint all over it.

[shudder]

Out of curiosity, how did you and the seller get on when you made the transaction?

I would've felt like a Child Protective Service officer or a rescue agent from the ASPCA! "Sir! I need you to stay over there...DO NOT move towards the bike! It'll be in good hands from here on.."

haha well, we were speaking french, which isn't my first language.. i was pretty polite

just made sure it had the M on the BB shell and got outta there

The decals are over the clearcoat but they are available from Marinoni for around $10.

http://www.goof-off.com/

IMHO, methyl alcohol is a pretty mild solvent, and also probably not strong enough to remove cured spray paint...it's the small amount of MEK they add to make it "denatured" that I would worry about. Goof-off (a solvent blend) and acetone are much more harsh solvents, but more likely to do the job. I would try those after you try the alcohol but before you use any of the "safer" strippers...just been my experience. And use gloves and good ventilation for any/all of it.

As others suggested, start with something mild, then go up to something harsher if necessary. There's no point in using toxic chemicals if you don't really have to. The paint will come off the parts easily, but the frame and fork will be hard work I'd say.
The first digit in the four or five digit serial number, on the underside of the bottom bracket shell, will give you the year. A cursory glance reveals an '80s bike, so for instance, if the first number is "6" it will be a 1986.
It should come up alright I think, after much cursing at the silver spray. I'd get rid of the crappy Campy shifters and 980 derailleurs and put on something like Simplex Retrofrictions mated to Suntour Superbe Pro derailleurs. Oh geez, I'm probably starting a parts war here.:)
Also, put that stem down before it snaps off!

good luck man!

thanks for all the info guys. dont worry, i put the stem down and fixed the seat right after i took those pics..

needed an authentic "before" shot of course (=

i did my commute on it today, about 20kms. really nice and light, actually shifting ok even with that silver crap all over everything.

it might be a tad big for me, it's a 58cm and i'm about 5'9.. should i pass on the silver beauty?

http://colinbird.ca/marin2.jpg

That poor bike got molested very badly. you can see it's tears in the paint on the underside. lol

unbelievable! some guys (who spray paint classics!) don't deserve a nice bike.

I see lots of potential karma for you, rudeness. I'm curious to see what shade the original finish was - and no matter what it is, it'll be 100 times better then that silver spray job.

I cringe - considerably - every time I pass that photo of the black anodized NR headset with silver paint overspray :(

-Kurt

Now that I think about it. this is the same think that happened to that really nice windsor I got. not sure what age mine was but the rim liners where fabric so it's older.

I'm having trouble breathing after seeing those pictures. What a travesty.

You are in Montreal anyways, why not take the frame/fork into Mr. Marinoni himself and have them do it for you. They quoted me $180 for a custom paint job that included decals and they would strip all the old paint off before they painted.

It is an excellent bike and I assume it fits you so $180 is not that much to invest into a bicycle that will last a lifetime...

It is an excellent bike and I assume it fits you so $180 is not that much to invest into a bicycle that will last a lifetime...

I wouldn't repaint it before checking if this hack spray job can be removed reasonably easily, but that price is unbelievably reasonable.

-Kurt

i wouldn't repaint it before checking if this hack spray job can be removed reasonably easily, but that price is unbelievably reasonable.

-kurt

+1

Wow, the idiot didn't realize the headset was a seperate part, so he sprayed right over it!? Tullio is rolling over in his grave! Should be a great bike when you get the paint sorted out. The components should come out like-new when soaked in mineral spirits, etc. Good luck!

The problem is that you don;t really know what tye of paints you're dealing with. If you can, you want to find a solvent that dissolves the silver paint and leaves the original paint intact.

So, you might remove one of the anodized parts with paint and try different solvents. After you determine which solvent will remove the silver paint, you can try it on an inconspicuous location (like to BB shell) to determine of it will also remove the original paint. For example, if mineral spirits removes the silver paint, clean the underside of the BB of the silver paint. Then put a little mineral spirits on a rag and rub the original paint with the rag. If you get the original paint color on the rag, stop and try something else.

You might also try really fine (2000 grit) wet/dry sandpaper that is soaked in soapy water. That would take a while, but it might work.

Also detailer's clay (aka overspray clay) is even less abrasive and leaves a very smooth surface.

Good luck. It is a shame to see that careless paint job on a nice bike.

Previous owner was not a real man. Real men can ride a pink bike without having their masculinity threatened. :thumb:

Go you one better: pink bike while rocking a Castelli Giro d'Italia Maglia Rosa jersey. I've got pictures!

I'm dying to see how the paint removal works out!

so far varsol (paint thinner) and a green scrub pad is working pretty well.. It's going to take a while, but i can get down to the pink and i don't see any pink coming off.. just that nasty silver

I tried to check out the columbus sticker but went right through it.. decals are definitely over the clear coat

serial number starts with 5.. so '85 i guess! same year as my norco

Go you one better: pink bike while rocking a Castelli Giro d'Italia Maglia Rosa jersey. I've got pictures!


lol....still waiting for the pics! :D

I tried to check out the columbus sticker but went right through it.. decals are definitely over the clear coat

Yeah, the decals on my Marinoni were also over the clearcoat and it was a 1987 Special.

Keep at it!

the pink is coming off !! still haven't ruled out a re-paint by marinoni.. i heard it's $100 if you give them the bare frame

http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni/IMG_0087.jpg
http://colinbird.ca/silver_sprayed_marinoni/IMG_0090.jpg

also took the paint off the back brake - much easier than the frame

Impressive, and promising. Keep at it!

-Kurt

Yes, good work! A Marinoni repaint sounds like a heck of a deal, keep that in your back pocket as a great plan B.

That brake looks very good

now that i can see it, most of the gipiemme stuff is "crono sprint" : brake calipers (w/ original pads) , crank, headset, bb

back wheel is "fir" EA60 with unmarked hub and front wheel is "nisi mixer" rim w/ sachs maillard "new success" sealed hub (newer than the bike?)

talked to Marinoni, it's $170 for a 1 colour paint job with decals. They still have the 1990 decals

Extra $90 to disassemble and re-assemble the bike. So yeah, that will be my plan B

http://marinoni.qc.ca/Html/Colors.html

That Gipiemme brake looks like some nice stuff. Those vintage side-pulls can be great both functionally and visually. And $170 with decals? I know what I'd do - in a heartbeat.