Tandem Cycling - "Kid Stoker" kit on the cheap!

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bobthib
08-26-09, 07:29 PM
Wanted to be able to get my 6 yr old grandson on the new Lambo tandem. Tried to drop the seat down, but he was still about 2" short at bdc. He was very anxious to ride, as I have been riding him since he was old enough to sit up strait (see my avatar.) Check out Kid Stoker Kits, and the price was prohibitive. Besides, he is only one of 3 stokers, and the only kid. Needed something that I could easily take off/put on.
Decided to kludge together a little foot rest for him. Put together a prototype with rubber bands attached to a water bottle holder and we put about 15 miles in it. Works great in principle, but a little too unstable.
Came up with the idea of some u bolts, wing nuts, tubing, and a 12" piece of wood. Today we cut and drilled the wood, he painted it, and we bolted it on. Went for a 5 mile ride and hit 22.6 mph. We had a blast but had to head back cuz dad was coming to pick him up.
Here's the Spec List:
1ea. - 1" x 3" x 12" pine board
2ea. - 1 1/2" u-bolt (or the correct size to fit your top bar.)
4ea. - wing nuts to fit the u-bolts
1 ft - tubing to fit the u-bolts
Cut the wood with rounded ends and sanded lightly. Marked and drilled 4 5/16" holes. In my case the u-bolts were 5/16" coarse thread. 3/8" plastic tubing slipped over the u-bolts with a little nudging and soap. I retained the flat metal bar between the 2 sides of the u-bolt to prevent the wood from being deformed by the wing nuts.
If you don't have a bottle holder in just the right place, you may have to glue on 2 strips of wood running parallel to the top bar to provide some support, and keep the control cables from being impacted by the wood or u-bolts. Another alternative is to put a piece of the above tubing over each cable. A small strip of rubber from an old tube may help prevent slipping.
I made a call to see about a shorty stoker kit for you to borrow. Unfortunately it is still installed.
In talking with Tom the owner of Bicyclery in WPB, he indicated there are some inexpensive ones.
I don't want to overstep or spam this, but for your team of you and grandson maybe give him a call about the tandem he and his daughter ride and what he installed on their bike.
Be sure you speak with Tom.
PK
bobthib
08-26-09, 08:09 PM
I made a call to see about a shorty stoker kit for you to borrow. Unfortunately it is still installed.
In talking with Tom the owner of Bicyclery in WPB, he indicated there are some inexpensive ones.
I don't want to overstep or spam this, but for your team of you and grandson maybe give him a call about the tandem he and his daughter ride and what he installed on their bike.
Be sure you speak with Tom.
PK
Thanks for the info. It will be a while. My grandson is going into Miami Childrens for a bone marrow transplant Monday. He'll be in for a month.
Once he's back up to par, I'll check it out. The other factor is swap-out. Don't know anything about these things, and today I rode with him. After dinner and 5 min adjustments my wife and I took a spin till the rains came. Tomorrow AM I'll rig it up and pick him up for the day.
twentysixtwo
08-26-09, 09:15 PM
Great idea! I came up with something similar for our tandem. It's not very wide so it doesn't hit my heels. I put some rubber anti slip tape on it.
One thing to watch out for - our 3 year old has come close to falling asleep on the back! That would not be good....
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3421/3760265590_16efcdb251.jpg
bobthib
08-26-09, 09:27 PM
One thing to watch out for - our 3 year old has come close to falling asleep on the back! That would not be good....
Indeed! :(
He used to fall asleep on the kid seat on my Diamondback, but He's too thrilled with the ride on the "big bike"
zonatandem
08-26-09, 11:18 PM
bobthib:
Did a similar setup for a young cancer patient who wanted to ride tandem a few years ago. Same issue as yours: she could not reach pedals and this was for a one-time ride.
Utilized a piece of wood with 2 drilled holes and attached it to the internal lateral; did not have the seat up way high as in your solution.
She ended up doing the promo ride with me and we were featured together on a poster. Yes, she had fun and was all smiles!
bobthib
08-27-09, 07:40 AM
bobthib:
Utilized a piece of wood with 2 drilled holes and attached it to the internal lateral; did not have the seat up way high as in your solution.
Internal lateral? I'm not familiar with the term, but I'm going to infer it is the diaginal bar from the cap't seat tube to the stoker bb. How did you attach it to the internal lateral? did you use the existing water bottle bosses?
Thought about that, but I don't want to have to remove the stoker pedals every time he rides. The seat post is set for my wife (5' 10") and so the only change I have to make for Tyler is to move the stoker stem all the way out, and attach his foot rest. Takes 5 min., if that.
I have some power straps arriving this week. I'm putting them on the platform pedals for my wife (stoker) and for me or my son (6' 4") as capt. When my son & I ride, He's cap't, and I'll put my Speedplay's on the stoker crank.
He's not yet into the road bike thing, and until he get's hooked, this will work for us on club rides.
I just like the flexibility this bike gives me. I wish my wife would get "into" biking and we could do some club touring an weekend rides as I'm sure you and your lovely Mrs Zonatandem do, but we're not there yet. If that were the case, a "brand name" tandem that fit us would be a worth while investment. But for out 15 - 20 mi cafe rides in the evening, the Lambo with suffice. I'm pleased that she is excited about the bike, and is willing to participate. My 100 - 120 mi a week road bike habit was putting a little pressure on our 35yr (on 8/24) marriage :love:.
Now she feels part of the sport, and is looking forward to a saturday club ride, as soon as her foot surgery is completly healed and we have enough "cafe rides" to build up her muscles and stamina. So far our main "problem" has been cadence :( . She's still a masher at 50 - 60 rpm, and I want 80 -90, so I'm the one that "suffers." Once I get the power straps she can start practciting 360 pedaling. THat will bring her cadence up.
I'm way off thread :eek:. Better end this ramble.