Classic and Vintage Bicycles: What's it Worth? Appraisals and Inquiries - As a reference...

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miamijim
08-29-09, 05:53 AM
A 2004 Trek 5200 with Ultegra is worth no more than 38% of MSRP!!!

Original MSRP of $2799 and selling for $1000. Ouch. A 2009 Madone 4.7 with Ultegra MSRP's for $2750. Ouch.


JunkYardBike
08-29-09, 07:33 AM
How do you calculate depreciation? I just spent 60% MSRP on a 2006 (lesser Tiagra equipped bike) with 1500 miles. Definitely not a bargain, but it is a less common (at least on CL) modern road bike model with clearance for fenders and wide tires.

miamijim
08-29-09, 12:28 PM
How do you calculate depreciation? I just spent 60% MSRP on a 2006 (lesser Tiagra equipped bike) with 1500 miles. Definitely not a bargain, but it is a less common (at least on CL) modern road bike model with clearance for fenders and wide tires.

Dealer markup is 33% so bikes lose that after year 1. After year one manufacturers sell left overs to dealers at a significant discount. That why you'll see year old models on the dealer floor for 30-35% off. No delear is going to take a full markup hit but what they're doing is selling bikes they bought on closeout.

Example: $1000 MSRP bikes costs the dealer $650. Dealer profits $350. As the new season approaches the manufactuer will sell the same bike to the dealer for $400 (guesstimate). The dealer sells it for 30% off MSRP or $700 but is still making $300 because it was bought on closeout for $400.

Year 1 depreciation: 35%
Year 2 depreciation: upto 50%

Here are an extreme example of an NOS bike offered at 47% of MSRP:

http://lakelandtrek.com/product/07-trek-madone-ssl-6.9-28512-1.htm


Bianchigirll
08-29-09, 11:48 PM
that is what is so nice about Bianchi. there is a guy in Philly selling a '89 Premio for $425 (marked down from 475) and the orginal price was $379 LOL

JunkYardBike
08-30-09, 06:05 AM
that is what is so nice about Bianchi. there is a guy in Philly selling a '89 Premio for $425 (marked down from 475) and the orginal price was $379 LOL

I'm thinking it may be our region. I've never seen the discounts you're talking about Jim. I was eying a 2 year old bike at an LBS that they were only discounting at 13% off MSRP. And they wouldn't budge on the price.

I wasn't exactly happy paying 60% for my bike, but it was actually cheaper than the going rate on ebay, and probably in line with the going market rate on CL.

wrk101
08-30-09, 06:20 AM
I think Jim's estimate is pretty close on late model bikes. Just another great reason to not buy a brand new bike!


On vintage bikes, you will see bikes selling now for as much or more than their original MSRP. Jts a different market, and MSRP in 1980 has very little relevance to today. I do get people that want to know the original MSRP of a vintage bike. I always give them the same answer, I have no idea.

miamijim
08-30-09, 07:41 AM
I was eying a 2 year old bike at an LBS that they were only discounting at 13% off MSRP. And they wouldn't budge on the price.

I wasn't exactly happy paying 60% for my bike, but it was actually cheaper than the going rate on ebay, and probably in line with the going market rate on CL.

13% means its was a bike the dealer paid full price for versus being a bike they bought on closeout. 60% is OK as its all relevant to what similar bikes are selling for.




that is what is so nice about Bianchi. there is a guy in Philly selling a '89 Premio for $425 (marked down from 475) and the orginal price was $379 LOL

Thats alot for a Premio!!!


Its important to keep in mind that there's a transition point and a stagnation point in pricing. For instance, a 2000 bike may stall in regards to depreciation because similar 2009 bikes are so expensive. If a 105 STI is retailing for $1700 that will help to support the price of a 2000 model year old bike.

roccobike
08-31-09, 10:03 AM
Somebody forgot to tell the folks in Raleigh that their bikes depreciate substantially. I'm watching three and four year old bikes asking for 80% or more of their original retail.......and getting very close to it.

Tigerprawn
08-31-09, 12:24 PM
Yea, Ive always noticed that newer, CF bikes in particular, depreciate in value insanely quick. Kinda like cars huh? 2010 comes out, 2009 models prices drop like a brick.

I noticed even more when a friend bought a Specialized Tarmac 2009 http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=2009&Brand=Specialized&Model=Tarmac+Comp+C2&Type=bike for $1,200 outfitted with partial Ultegra.

RobbieTunes
08-31-09, 06:05 PM
Add in the internet discounting, and it further depresses the used market, especially on newer CF bikes. I'm seeing prices on CL for 4-5 year old bikes equal to what bikesdirect.com is selling new 2009's for, especially Kestrels.

A regional dealer here was selling Cervelo's with deep discounts, year old models, at expo's and triathlon training sessions. Imagine being in the crowd and realizing you spent $3500 on the bike the dealer is now selling for 1800 a year later, new.

RobbieTunes
09-01-09, 06:02 AM
A 2004 Trek 5200 with Ultegra is worth no more than 38% of MSRP!!!

Original MSRP of $2799 and selling for $1000. Ouch. A 2009 Madone 4.7 with Ultegra MSRP's for $2750. Ouch.

Trek 5200 USPS edition 56cm - $900 (Durham )

2009 Kestrel Talon SL New! - $2499 (Cary, NC) 10-sp DA 7800 w/Rolf Vector Comp wheels. MSRP with Ultegra SL $3500.

These on CL here today.