Advocacy & Safety - Gruesome cyclist death... BMW driver charged

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8242631.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8242631.stm

7 1/2 years??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? At least that's something, hopefully the driver won't get his license back when he gets out.

Does Great Britain have Bubba in prison?

Does Great Britain have Bubba in prison?

Let's hope so, let's hope so. Tree sap, yeah right, I "liked" that part.

He should be locked away for as long as Mr. Harrison is away... Even that much wouldn't be enough.

Finally, a story where the family doesn't forgive the driver.

Finally, a story where the family doesn't forgive the driver.

+1 to that!

I've heard that Britain has the most CCTV cameras in the world. I'm not crazy about the big brother aspects of this, but hopefully there will more of these incidents caught on tape, and there won't be so many lies about what the dead cyclist was doing to cause the accident.

Too bad the beamer driver won't be in the kind of prison that has granite soap bars and showers with no drains.

I've heard that Britain has the most CCTV cameras in the world.

Well, most per capita. They just released a stat that one extra crime gets solved per 1000 cameras installed. They're definitely not getting their money's worth.

Well, most per capita. They just released a stat that one extra crime gets solved per 1000 cameras installed. They're definitely not getting their money's worth.Unless, of course, the solved crime was committed against you.

Well, most per capita. They just released a stat that one extra crime gets solved per 1000 cameras installed. They're definitely not getting their money's worth.


Unless, of course, the solved crime was committed against you.

Or perhaps more importantly, if less crime was committed because of the known presence of the cameras.

Or perhaps more importantly, if less crime was committed because of the known presence of the cameras.

People will give up freedoms for the sake of percieved saftey... best way to keep control over people, keep em scared and they'll let you control their lives. Just make sure you do it slowly and people wont notice...

just look at the patriot act, woo hoo, i definately feel safer now..:crash::roflmao2:

next we should isolate everyone in separate padded rooms so no harm can ever be done to them, this will keep the public safe... oh wait, maybe i'm a few steps ahead. How about we just track everyone via GPS imbedded in their phone.... oops, we already do that.

Or perhaps more importantly, if less crime was committed because of the known presence of the cameras.

Sadly, I don't see that happening. At the library that I go to they have a security camera that watches the bike area. It is visible and I am sure that "everyone" knows that it is there. But just a couple of weeks ago two bicycles were stolen while I was in the library. Of course it didn't help that the owners didn't lock their bikes up. According to a couple of staff members the thieves looked at my bike, which is not only locked with two locks, but is covered with a Topeak mountain bike cover. But didn't touch it, this isn't the first time that bikes have been stolen while I've been at the library, and sadly I am sure that it will not be the last time that I will be there when bikes are stolen.

As bad as it may sound I have no sympathy for someone who doesn't lock their bike up and get's it stolen. And seeing some of the cheap flimsy locks and chains that some people use I know that their bikes will be targeted before mine will. As I've seen more then a few with those cheap, and weak chains with the barrel locks built into them. You know the ones, where all you've gotta do is stamp on them and they break. Of course it goes without saying that most of the locks are also used to "secure" Huffy's, and other cheap ass department store bikes. There's one guy I've seen up there who is riding around on a $10.00 pawn shop bike with Specialized Armadillo tires. The bloody tires cost more then the bike, then on top of that I'd say he's got at least $100.00 invested in a homemade lighting system. But at least he has lights.

People will give up freedoms for the sake of percieved saftey... best way to keep control over people, keep em scared and they'll let you control their lives. Just make sure you do it slowly and people wont notice...

just look at the patriot act, woo hoo, i definately feel safer now..:crash::roflmao2:

Which "Freedom" is being given up, Mr. Freedom Fighter, by the presence of surveillance cameras in public places? The freedom to commit a crime without worrying about any nasty meddling witnesses?

7 1/2 years??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? At least that's something, hopefully the driver won't get his license back when he gets out.

That is much more time that he would have received in the US-- especially in Florida ;)

Which "Freedom" is being given up, Mr. Freedom Fighter, by the presence of surveillance cameras in public places? The freedom to commit a crime without worrying about any nasty meddling witnesses?

How about the freedom to go where you want and do what you want (within the law) without being spied upon by your government? A person who is committing no crime still might have reasons for not wanting a record kept of his movements or his presence in a certain place at a certain time.

How about the freedom to go where you want and do what you want (within the law) without being spied upon by your government? A person who is committing no crime still might have reasons for not wanting a record kept of his movements or his presence in a certain place at a certain time.

Who said or indicated anything about keeping records of any individual's movements or presence through the use of surveillance cameras in public places.

Who said or indicated anything about keeping records of any individual's movements or presence through the use of surveillance cameras in public places.

There was an incident in Tampa's Ybor city where a construction worker on his lunch break was captured on one of those CCTV security camera's and erroneously identified as a deadbeat dad. He was IF I am not mistaken arrested and sat in jail for several days until it was proved that he wasn't the deadbeat dad who was way behind in his child support payments.

There was an incident in Tampa's Ybor city where a construction worker on his lunch break was captured on one of those CCTV security camera's and erroneously identified as a deadbeat dad. He was IF I am not mistaken arrested and sat in jail for several days until it was proved that he wasn't the deadbeat dad who was way behind in his child support payments.

Thank Goodness that no one is ever erroneously identified, and there are no incidents of anyone mistakenly arrested when there are none of those evil cameras about, eh?:rolleyes:

Or perhaps more importantly, if less crime was committed because of the known presence of the cameras.

what made you think that surveillance cameras prevent crime? certainly not any actual evidence.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/study-questions-whether-cameras-cut-crime/?hp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1

i mean, if you're willing to give up your privacy for zero or near-zero gains in security then i suppose that's your right... but please don't think the rest of us want it imposed on us. if you think cctv is great you can install it on your private property.

Or perhaps more importantly, if less crime was committed because of the known presence of the cameras.


what made you think that surveillance cameras prevent crime? certainly not any actual evidence.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/study-questions-whether-cameras-cut-crime/?hp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1

i mean, if you're willing to give up your privacy for zero or near-zero gains in security then i suppose that's your right... but please don't think the rest of us want it imposed on us. if you think cctv is great you can install it on your private property.

Would my post have been clearer if the qualifer "if" had been formatted like so: "IF"

CCTV in public places is crap. Might as well just put a tracking beacon on me.

Also, its the same as red light cameras, it was allowed under percieved increases in saftey. Yet what happened in practice? many yellow lights were decreased to state/federal minimum lengths, and sometimes below legal lengths just to increase revenue.

http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/

government providing "saftey" is a myth. it usually driven by their need to increase revenue or power over the people.

CCTV in public places is crap. Might as well just put a tracking beacon on me.The tracking implants have been reserved exclusively for subversives like you.

The tracking implants have been reserved exclusively for subversives like you.

i know... any ideas how to get this thing out? it kinda itches

i know... any ideas how to get this thing out? it kinda itchesThey explode, if you try.

Part of my job is maintaining a large network of security cameras. For those of you who think the government is using these to constantly monitor and record your movements, put your minds at rest. The video data is kept for a limited time only, due to the large size of video files and the difficulty of storing them. If information is required from one of the cameras, we have to retrieve it very quickly after a request from the police, or it will be over written and lost forever. Virtually all video data from security cameras is never viewed. To effectively monitor all the cameras in the US the way that paranoid people think they are monitored, every living human would have to be employed 24/7 sitting in front of a screen.

Part of my job is maintaining a large network of security cameras. For those of you who think the government is using these to constantly monitor and record your movements, put your minds at rest. The video data is kept for a limited time only, due to the large size of video files and the difficulty of storing them. If information is required from one of the cameras, we have to retrieve it very quickly after a request from the police, or it will be over written and lost forever. Virtually all video data from security cameras is never viewed. To effectively monitor all the cameras in the US the way that paranoid people think they are monitored, every living human would have to be employed 24/7 sitting in front of a screen.

Yes, i understand this is the case today. We are limited in storage space for the video and ways to analyze the video.

However, its the gradual 'erosion' of privacy. today we except cameras because they are not bad and do not keep records. Next step is keeping records, but it makes us "safer", step after that we will have everything tracked, etc... You cannot take away freedoms all at once, otherwise people will get mad. If you do it gradually over time, it becomes tolerable.

another example. Auto insurance companies are now offering a discounted rate to drivers who allow them to install a tracking device with accelerometers and GPS. Their insurance rate is then based on how fast they drive, how hard they stop, what areas they drive through, typical commutes, etc... all in the sake of "saving money on insurance" Does anyone else find this completely rediculous?

Dont get me wrong, i am not a complete anti-government conspiracy theorist, i'm just making an argument and can see both sides. I guess its really just to make you think...

However, its the gradual 'erosion' of privacy. today we except cameras because they are not bad and do not keep records. Next step is keeping records, but it makes us "safer", step after that we will have everything tracked, etc... You cannot take away freedoms all at once, otherwise people will get mad. If you do it gradually over time, it becomes tolerable.

Exactly. Several places (including London) have been experimenting with using facial-recognition software in conjunction with CCTV in public places. If this becomes widespread, considering the large number of driver's license photos, etc. that are already stored in digital form, it will become an easy matter to keep track of the whereabouts of average people "just in case" someone ever wants to know where John Doe was at 3:15 PM on January 14th, 2015. It doesn't take much storage space to keep a database of names, dates, times and GPS coordinates.

It used to be possible, for those who wished to do so, to live an almost anonymous life, or simply to disappear and start over elsewhere. That's already become very difficult, and will only become harder as technology makes further inroads into our personal privacy.

Part of my job is maintaining a large network of security cameras. For those of you who think the government is using these to constantly monitor and record your movements, put your minds at rest. The video data is kept for a limited time only, due to the large size of video files and the difficulty of storing them. If information is required from one of the cameras, we have to retrieve it very quickly after a request from the police, or it will be over written and lost forever. Virtually all video data from security cameras is never viewed. To effectively monitor all the cameras in the US the way that paranoid people think they are monitored, every living human would have to be employed 24/7 sitting in front of a screen.

If they are for the most part unmonitored, and the footage is overwritten so quickly why use them???

Exactly. Several places (including London) have been experimenting with using facial-recognition software in conjunction with CCTV in public places. If this becomes widespread, considering the large number of driver's license photos, etc. that are already stored in digital form, it will become an easy matter to keep track of the whereabouts of average people "just in case" someone ever wants to know where John Doe was at 3:15 PM on January 14th, 2015. It doesn't take much storage space to keep a database of names, dates, times and GPS coordinates.

It used to be possible, for those who wished to do so, to live an almost anonymous life, or simply to disappear and start over elsewhere. That's already become very difficult, and will only become harder as technology makes further inroads into our personal privacy.

Those handy time/money saving toll passes (down here in Fl they're called "Sun Passes") can likewise be used to track one's movements. By knowing which toll collection booths and what time a car has gone through one can reasonably predict what exit they got off at. And again when they got back on to the "freeway."