Professional Cycling For the Fans - Contador ducks doping Questions: And why won't he reveal V02 Max?

http://www.velonews.com/article/95742/contador-ducks-doping-questions

Why is he hiding his v02 max. I'm thinking perhaps he dopes.

July 23rd was a long time ago.

:rolleyes:

July 23rd was a long time ago.

No it was not. This is a valid conversation. Doping is still a problem in the pro road peleton and other sports and games.

One of the major problems is that the science of doping and masking the doping seems to be ahead of the testing technology of WADA.

Well it's never been discussed why he's hiding his V02 max. 7 weeks aint that long ago...and considering it occurred during the 2009 tour, it certainly is relevant. Here is a thought...how about UCI forcing V02 max tests.

I think most people who compete would only give out detailed information if they are required to do so, otherwise they might be passing along information that might potentially assist an opponent in their preparation to defeat them.

If everyone was required to do it thats one thing but it isn't required so why help out the other guy by volunteering the info?

I think most people who compete would only give out detailed information if they are required to do so, otherwise they might be passing along information that might potentially assist an opponent in their preparation to defeat them.

If everyone was required to do it thats one thing but it isn't required so why help out the other guy by volunteering the info?

Or the more the likely, he's hiding his v02 max because he is doping.

That's just too cynical a view in my book. I think doping is on the decline, and I'm willing to give riders the benefit of the doubt now. Unless someone has just way too strong a performance to accept otherwise (like Ricco in last years' Tour).

I think most people who compete would only give out detailed information if they are required to do so, otherwise they might be passing along information that might potentially assist WADA in their preparation to defeat them.

If everyone was required to do it thats one thing but it isn't required so why help out WADA by volunteering the info?

Fixed for you.

Or the more the likely, he's hiding his v02 max because he is doping.

I thought you were banned.

There are more important questions about Contador than his vo2max, like why his name appeared in Fuentes' register - and then suddenly didn't...

the stuff on velonews that passes for "journalism" is scary.

I think what he was actually ignoring was the accusation brought forth by Lemond. I would have refused to give currency to Lemond's ******** accusations as well.

I think what he was actually ignoring was the accusation brought forth by Lemond. I would have refused to give currency to Lemond's ******** accusations as well.

In Greg's bizarre world, we might just as well bring the guys to the start line of a Grand Tour, compare the VO2 maxes, and declared the entrant with the highest value the winner right then and there. Saves all the spectacle, suspense and expense of holding the race. :rolleyes:

There are more important questions about Contador than his vo2max, like why his name appeared in Fuentes' register - and then suddenly didn't...

I don't think there is any proof to that though. Link?

Perhaps it is becaseu if he gives out his VO2 max Armstrong will sue for trademark infringement!

OK, not really, but it is a losing question for him ot answer. If it is better than Armstrongs people will say he is doping, just like the start of the thread. If it is lower then (perhaps the same?) people will ask how he can beat Armstrong with a lower VO2 max. He must be doping!

Well it's never been discussed why he's hiding his V02 max. 7 weeks aint that long ago...and considering it occurred during the 2009 tour, it certainly is relevant. Here is a thought...how about UCI forcing V02 max tests.Which VO2Max would you like him to reveal:
a) a well rested VO2Max
b) VO2Max tested after 10 stages of TDF
c) VO2Max prior to the Verbier climb
What exactly do you think that would tell you?

There is considerable psychology involved in cycling and I can't imagine a rider wanting to reveal his performance metrics and potential weaknesses. Expecting them to make that data public is absurd and is not done in any other competitive sport. That's why they race.

Regardless of whether AC is doping (I've seen no credible report pointing to that) or not, his VO2 max would put my best ever VO2 max to shame.
And for that, I hate him!!! :)

Why give credence to such unscientific speculation? I'm not convinced that anyone has done an actual study that shows definitively what exactly the correlation between VO2Max and watts (or even VAM) is for clean riders and doping riders. Until a bunch of studies are done AND they prove there really is a correlation (which they may not) this is all just a waste of time.

Because he doesn't want to play LeMond's games?

Can't blame him.

Because he doesn't want to play LeMond's games?

Can't blame him.

It seems like Contador refused to answer a reporter's question relating to doubts Lemond had about Contador's performance.

Because he doesn't want to play LeMond's games?

Can't blame him.

Exactly, and for pretty much the same reason Lance did. You do the tests, you jump through every hoop they set up for you, and still every time you turn around some idiot thinks you must be doping anyway because you ride fast. Lance never wasted his time on the muck-peddlars of the sport, and Contador should be smart enough to do the same.

It seems like Contador refused to answer a reporter's question relating to doubts Lemond had about Contador's performance.

Exactly. I would have done the same.

Lemond is scared to death that he's been forgotten. The only way he can get in the news is to accuse someone else of doping.

Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.

It seems to me releasing all this info results in more questions than answers, even with Wiggins. I don't think I would either in their place.

Unsubstantiated assertions and innuendo is the best you can come up with, eh? *yawn*

Wake me up when you have actual proof, e.g. test results, syringes found in his luggage, payments to Fuentes, "problems" with his biological passport, etc etc

Which VO2Max would you like him to reveal:
a) a well rested VO2Max
b) VO2Max tested after 10 stages of TDF
c) VO2Max prior to the Verbier climb
What exactly do you think that would tell you?

There is considerable psychology involved in cycling and I can't imagine a rider wanting to reveal his performance metrics and potential weaknesses. Expecting them to make that data public is absurd and is not done in any other competitive sport. That's why they race.

Your post got me to thinking a bit.

How does anyone here think a doping organization can run a VO2 max test? Makes me think most here either have no idea at all what VO2 max means or at least haven't stopped to think about it.

Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.

Care to explain or show evidence of that link. I thought the initials "AC" were linked to the good doctor. Let me know if I'm wrong or you can admit you're wrong. I'm cool with either.

Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.

Say, shouldn't you be banned?

I like cheese.

Care to explain or show evidence of that link. I thought the initials "AC" were linked to the good doctor. Let me know if I'm wrong or you can admit you're wrong. I'm cool with either.

You can google it. His name was on the list linking him to Dr. Ferrari....but eventually disappeared...

Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.

So was Lance if I recall correctly.

Maybe he just trained hard and smart and kept his bodyfat low....usually results in a high VO2max.

Maybe he just trained hard and smart and kept his bodyfat low....usually results in a high VO2max.

I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.

So was Lance if I recall correctly.


Yes he was. Another cause of continued suspicion of Armstrong.

Or the more the likely, he's hiding his v02 max because he is doping.

Pro football teams don't give out accurate injury reports, they don't let media film practice sessions. In your view this must be because they are cheating and trying to cover it up. Thats a cynical viewpoint.

Competitors just don't like to pass along info to the competition.

I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.

That Armstrong was doping? Yes, quite liklely.

You can google it. His name was on the list linking him to Dr. Ferrari....but eventually disappeared...

No need for me to Google and I like how you dodged the question. You're clearly a liar. I am already familiar with the details of the misleading information you like to spread on this forum. Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear? Because you appear like a dishonest and complete jerk when you spread misinformation like this. But I should thank you since now I have a very good reason to go figure out the ignore feature.

It will always be astonishing to me to see people like you purposefully spread misinformation about a pro cyclist. Jerk. Loser.

Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear?.

Yes, he is a dumbass. Amazing he hasn't been banned yet but the mods here are about as useless as a unicycle in the Tour de France.

No need for me to Google and I like how you dodged the question. You're clearly a liar. I am already familiar with the details of the misleading information you like to spread on this forum. Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear? Because you appear like a dishonest and complete jerk when you spread misinformation like this. But I should thank you since now I have a very good reason to go figure out the ignore feature.

It will always be astonishing to me to see people like you purposefully spread misinformation about a pro cyclist. Jerk. Loser.
This is funny. When people do not refute what you say and personally attack you, it means you were right.

Awesome. You just proved his point.

Reading the whole thread again, this is about how this kind of discussion goes. Entertaining to a point, but, in the end, pointless.

Fall Cycling Syndrome - all fired up and the weather sucks, so hang out on the internet looking for someone's ass to kick.

Yes, he is a dumbass. Amazing he hasn't been banned yet but the mods here are about as useless as a unicycle in the Tour de France.

Hey, I resemble that remark. . . what's wrong with unicycles?

and as for this thread, I'm thinking it needs to be locked, and will do so if the tone
isn't dialed back a notch or two. Disagreeing with someone is fine (and expected) but the
personal insults/attacks need to stop. nuff said.

Lotek: DenisMenchov consistently starts these silly and pointless doping threads. He has nothing constructive to add and does nothing here but troll. Why is this still allowed?

Exactly, and for pretty much the same reason Lance did. You do the tests, you jump through every hoop they set up for you, and still every time you turn around some idiot thinks you must be doping anyway because you ride fast. Lance never wasted his time on the muck-peddlars of the sport, and Contador should be smart enough to do the same.

totally agree. its never good enough. when people want to hate on your achievements you cant silence them, no matter how hard you try. even if a some scientist proved LA or AC never doped in their entire lifetime, someone would question the doctors credentials.

on the other hand i just cant get over how AC flies up the mountain like that being so small and scraggly. but i dont think he dopes.

AC doped IMO: Too many bread crumb trails. But to each his own. I want to believe he's clean, but so many suspicions regarding his past. Look at Operation Puerto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

AC doped IMO: Too many bread crumb trails. But to each his own. I want to believe he's clean, but so many suspicions regarding his past. Look at Operation Puerto:


There are not as many bread crumbs as you want to believe. In fact, LA may have be more suspicious in his recent past than AC. Go away for good please. Please please take your self and stupid opinions and find somewhere else to troll.

I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.

I am sure that's giving AC a lot of sleepless nights...

AC's performance would lead anyone to question him, as would LA's performance for 7 years. but the article by no means proves or even causes suspicion. I wouldn't say that either doped. they may be linked to someone but if there is no proof, it didnt happen. that's my opinion. no point in blasting someone if they can get tested 3 to 4 times a day for 3 weeks and still pass the tests. when he gets busted for doping then i will believe that he doped, that goes for LA and AC. not evidence that suggests that its a possibility. when they actually get busted.

Why does the OP start so much shyt?