Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Calories in calories out on Biggest Loser

Not sure if any of you watch The Biggest Loser, but it is one of my guilty pleasures. Anyhow, I was watching last weeks show and picked up on their calorie goals.

Apparently, they consume 1900 calories and burn 6000 in a day.

I just thought it was an interesting tidbit.

Not sure if any of you watch The Biggest Loser, but it is one of my guilty pleasures. Anyhow, I was watching last weeks show and picked up on their calorie goals.

Apparently, they consume 1900 calories and burn 6000 in a day.

I just thought it was an interesting tidbit.

The the Men are 1900 and 8000 the Women are 1200 and 6000 at least that's what it thought i heard.

I must have heard a combo of the two. Thanks for the correction.

As some one who has been counting calories for the last year, when i heard that i about fail over.

I eat 2000 and burn 3000 which = 2lbs a week they must spend every waking hour in the gym.

Jillian used to have a radio show here in LA and she said they work out between 4-7 hours per day... Then again you are there 24/7 just to lose weight..

If that is all I had to do, I could lose the weight they are loosing. If I had access to trainers like they have and all of the equipment 24/7 I could do a lot more. But, family and work are something that takes a priority.

As some one who has been counting calories for the last year, when i heard that i about fail over.

I eat 2000 and burn 3000 which = 2lbs a week they must spend every waking hour in the gym.

That's all they do. And that's the main reason I dislike the program - it implies weight loss is complicated and fat people are victims needing special trainers, interventions, etc. I find the stories on the Clyde/Athena forum much more interesting than The Biggest Loser folks.

That's all they do. And that's the main reason I dislike the program - it implies weight loss is complicated and fat people are victims needing special trainers, interventions, etc. I find the stories on the Clyde/Athena forum much more interesting than The Biggest Loser folks.

Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?

Historian, I understand your point, and agree with it to some degree. But I think the program is pretty good from the point of showing that even people with SERIOUS weight problems can get in the gym, can exercise with intensity and surprising endurance. Maybe that has inspired some people who feel they can't, to believe they can. Just like some of the clydes here have inspired people who thought they were too big to ride, to go get a bike and get busy riding.

I hope most people are smart enough to realize that the show participants exercise way more than is possible in "real life" with a job, family, etc. -- and that for most people weight loss will be much more gradual than on the show.

Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?

NeilFein knows someone who appeared on the show. Perhaps he can give us an update on the fellow.

yup and if you google them...

almost all with very few exceptions put the weight right back on...

because what they are doing cannot be sustained in real life...

Yahoo just had an article on this...

...

most of em lose the weight anyhow because they did nothing but sit and eat... so even a minor change to their daily routine will cause some weight loss...

I think it was last seasons winner was just drinking energy drinks and slim fast or something for like the last three weeks of the show...

The the Men are 1900 and 8000 the Women are 1200 and 6000 at least that's what it thought i heard.

I am very curious about this since I watch the show and these people have great success. On the order of 10+ lbs a week.

I hate to state the obvious but how do they get all the contestants to follow this? I mean they must be hungry as hell. I am sure there are days when they can't follow this but I am curious how the food situation is? Can they eat when they want? Or is it like prison settings where they are given meals at certain times and can not eat otherwise. I am also considering cutting my calories much more then I have been (though not this extreme). How are they not passng out from malnutrition?

Historian, I understand your point, and agree with it to some degree. But I think the program is pretty good from the point of showing that even people with SERIOUS weight problems can get in the gym, can exercise with intensity and surprising endurance. Maybe that has inspired some people who feel they can't, to believe they can. Just like some of the clydes here have inspired people who thought they were too big to ride, to go get a bike and get busy riding.


I think this is comparing apples and oranges with bicycles while assuming the bicycle is a magic weight loss pill. I don't see how having a group of doctors, diateticians, personal trainers, and who knows who else take control of your life for three months teaches the viewer they can take control of their life on their own. In fact, it reinforces "victim" status, which is the last thing a fat person needs to hear. Also, the show isn't about teaching people with serious weight problems they can exercise with intensity.

Comparing the show to the C/A forum fails since C/A isn't about weight loss. If a 500 pounder wants to ride a bike and not lose an ounce that's fine for this forum.

I hate to state the obvious but how do they get all the contestants to follow this? I mean they must be hungry as hell. I am sure there are days when they can't follow this but I am curious how the food situation is? Can they eat when they want? Or is it like prison settings where they are given meals at certain times and can not eat otherwise. I am also considering cutting my calories much more then I have been (though not this extreme). How are they not passng out from malnutrition?

You can be very full with low calories. You just have to be eating the right kind of food.

Take broccoli for example. A cup of raw broccoli has 30 calories! Now a lot of people don't like the taste of broccoli, neither did I, until I stopped eating all the other processed crap. When I stopped eating the junk, the real food tasted a heck of a lot better.

I really like using broccoli with salsa instead of chips. YUM.

Or you can add a little bit of cheese to some steamed broccoli if you need to add a little bit of different flavor.

Also, the show isn't about teaching people with serious weight problems they can exercise with intensity.

Your opinion is different than mine. Your takeaway from the show is different than mine as well.

I think there are probably many very heavy people who believe they can't exercise hard enough or long enough to make a differnece in their fitness. I think this show clearly shows them that they can, that it's possible. Whether they will or not, depends on their motivation.

And, I wasn't comparing the show to C&A in regard to weight loss. I was more comparing it in with regard to giving inspiration and motivation that something can be done if a person wants to do it. Take PeterC for instance. He came her wondering if it was even possible for him to ride a bike at his size, with his current medical conditions. Had he not gotten some confirmation and support here in C&A, he might not be buying a bike right now!

I originally posted this because many people say you can't eat so few calories and burn a lot of calories and still lose weight. They claim your body will go into starvation mode and you won't lose.

While working out 7 hours a day certainly isn't realistic in the real world, keeping your calorie intake low and burning as many calories as you can in the time you have is realistic.

Your opinion is different than mine. Your takeaway from the show is different than mine as well.

I think there are probably many very heavy people who believe they can't exercise hard enough or long enough to make a differnece in their fitness. I think this show clearly shows them that they can, that it's possible. Whether they will or not, depends on their motivation.

And, I wasn't comparing the show to C&A in regard to weight loss. I was more comparing it in with regard to giving inspiration and motivation that something can be done if a person wants to do it. Take PeterC for instance. He came her wondering if it was even possible for him to ride a bike at his size, with his current medical conditions. Had he not gotten some confirmation and support here in C&A, he might not be buying a bike right now!

Buying a bike isn't the same as riding it. We've seen more than one poster buy a bike and keep it carefully hanging in their garage. Also, I doubt the comments of anonymous strangers on a message board are a good comparison to being locked up with trainers, therapists, doctors, dieticians, etc, at a boot camp.

I thought the point of the show was to get really big people to show them (and everyone at home) that they just have to change their diet and exercise and that it can and will come off.

Not for me, I find myself eating whatever I have in the fridge if I watch it..... :(

I'd really like to see a version of the show that lets people incorporate the weight loss through diet changes and exercise into their normal everyday lives. Sure, it'll take a lot longer, but it could all be filmed a year in advance and cut up into a regular season.

I think this approach would be much more beneficial for the viewer at home as it shows that you can do it mixed in with your life as opposed to in this special situation.

I originally posted this because many people say you can't eat so few calories and burn a lot of calories and still lose weight. They claim your body will go into starvation mode and you won't lose.

At a point this becomes true. When someone very overweight first starts, he can run a surprising deficit and lose a significant amount of weight. As you get down to where you're talking about a 200 lb, 20% bodyfat man trying to reach 185, that's not as easy, and "starvation" diets won't do much good.

Running a significant calorie deficit for an extended period is also a really good way to end up "skinny fat" with poor muscle tone.

Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?

[someone who's watched the show for a few seasons] the core lesson is that they can include daily exercise and good meal choices into their lives.

and they talk over and over and over again that it's not complicated. Exercise daily. Eat right. Period. what's complicated in that?

oh, I also understand they train with the trainers only an hour a day, the rest is up to them....

I'd really like to see a version of the show that lets people incorporate the weight loss through diet changes and exercise into their normal everyday lives. Sure, it'll take a lot longer, but it could all be filmed a year in advance and cut up into a regular season.

I think this approach would be much more beneficial for the viewer at home as it shows that you can do it mixed in with your life as opposed to in this special situation.

Between the last day on The Ranch and the finale is six-eight weeks at home, on their own. If they didn't learn anything, it shows....

Also, the show isn't about teaching people with serious weight problems they can exercise with intensity.


have you actually watched the show? More than ten-minutes worth?

have you actually watched the show? More than ten-minutes worth?

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. :rolleyes:I don't think everyone replying to this thread has a good grasp of what Biggest Loser is all about.

I personally watch it every week and find it both inspirational and entertaining. Nutritionally educational too, though they could do a better job at this. I was a nutrition science major and I'd like to have them explain the science a little more thouroughly and accurately, but overall I love the show. Never do they portray that what they are doing is "complicated" or magical in some way. Quite the opposite. They show that for anyone willing to make the changes and do the work, that a healthy lifestyle is possible.

OP, the numbers they throw out for calories burnt in a day include the contestants basal metabolic rate - BMR (I'm assuming here, but that's what most plans are based on). BMR is different for everyone and can change. If your BMR is normally at, say 3000 kcal per day, if you suddenly start an intense exercise program your body will switch to what some call survival mode and your BMR will go waaay down. This obviously slows weight loss as the fewer calories are burned per day. I think a lot of us have experienced this effect personally.

Once your body adapts to the exercise regimen BMR will tend to increase towards your "normal" number again and if you maintain the exercise intensity you can get back to dropping serious poundage.

So in summary class; while weight loss boils down to simple math - calories in vs. calories burnt, the science behind the numbers is complex and varies from person to person. And Biggest Loser is my favorite show:thumb:

Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?


If that is all I had to do, I could lose the weight they are loosing. If I had access to trainers like they have and all of the equipment 24/7 I could do a lot more. But, family and work are something that takes a priority.


Historian, I understand your point, and agree with it to some degree. But I think the program is pretty good from the point of showing that even people with SERIOUS weight problems can get in the gym, can exercise with intensity and surprising endurance. Maybe that has inspired some people who feel they can't, to believe they can. Just like some of the clydes here have inspired people who thought they were too big to ride, to go get a bike and get busy riding.

I hope most people are smart enough to realize that the show participants exercise way more than is possible in "real life" with a job, family, etc. -- and that for most people weight loss will be much more gradual than on the show.


yup and if you google them...

almost all with very few exceptions put the weight right back on...

because what they are doing cannot be sustained in real life...

Yahoo just had an article on this...

...

most of em lose the weight anyhow because they did nothing but sit and eat... so even a minor change to their daily routine will cause some weight loss...

I think it was last seasons winner was just drinking energy drinks and slim fast or something for like the last three weeks of the show...

Unfortunately, this last quote is the reality of the show. It is artificial. You don't have to watch 17 seasons to realize it. Most big people that watch it see it the same way: "I wished I could do that, maybe could do that, I am going to try to do it too." They think that as they eat a bucket of chicken wings in their living room. Reality is another. At the end of the day, I personally find those shows insulting to the rest of us. If you are not big, it is amusing to see "those big people" trying to do exercise. It really IS funny. If you are big, you are seeing something you know is unrealistic and artificial. Either way, I find it insulting.:(

By the way, calories out > calories in, consistently and repeatedly = weight loss. As you loose weight, you do become more efficient, so weight loss becomes harder. Changing the way you do the calories out makes a difference.

That's all they do. And that's the main reason I dislike the program - it implies weight loss is complicated and fat people are victims needing special trainers, interventions, etc. I find the stories on the Clyde/Athena forum much more interesting than The Biggest Loser folks.


Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?

although i respect your opinions, you are incorrect. these people are beyond out of control. i dont see any 400+ lb people out there riding bikes to get fit so i dont see how the forums would help them. sure they help the overweight people who realize they can lose weight themselves.

second all they do is teach them how to cook healthy meals and what workouts to do when your home. geez its not like they are ultra special workouts, all they need is a gym membership and they can do all the workouts they did on the show, in their own gym.

what happens to them 5 years after the show totally depends on there commitment to be healthy and fit. if someone gains weight afterword...they are LAZY, period. anyone can lose weight, tons of weight, but you have to be willing to give up soda, fast food, eat less calories and keep a workout routine...doesnt sound very hard to me. one problem it apparently is too hard for a majority of americans. Fast Food is the devil and anyone who gets fat after the biggest loser...has only to blame themselves for being lazy...not the show.

If that is all I had to do, I could lose the weight they are loosing. If I had access to trainers like they have and all of the equipment 24/7 I could do a lot more. But, family and work are something that takes a priority.

correction... you can lose the weight they are losing if you are committed. you may not lose it as fast, but you can lose it.

if you are as unhealthy as those people on the show and you put your family and work in front of getting healthy you would be around for maybe 10 years...

if you put 2 solid years into working out you would decrease the risk of dying from health issues by 90% and add a good 30 years to your life. im sure your family could suck it up for 2 years so you could be around for grandchildren.

not saying you are in the same boat as them. but your post has serious negative undertones that a majority of people use as an excuse to not put in the work.

i work full time, go to school full time, and am married, and have lost 35 lbs in 4 months. it can be done...

Yeah. I've lost about 30 pounds in about 3 months without doing anything other than cutting back what I eat. I'm planning over the next week or so to get into a serious exercise routine (aside from just riding my bike) and am aiming for 199# by my birthday in April.

Yeah. I've lost about 30 pounds in about 3 months without doing anything other than cutting back what I eat. I'm planning over the next week or so to get into a serious exercise routine (aside from just riding my bike) and am aiming for 199# by my birthday in April.

you can do it, just stay focused.

Unfortunately, this last quote is the reality of the show. It is artificial. You don't have to watch 17 seasons to realize it. Most big people that watch it see it the same way: "I wished I could do that, maybe could do that, I am going to try to do it too." They think that as they eat a bucket of chicken wings in their living room. Reality is another. At the end of the day, I personally find those shows insulting to the rest of us. If you are not big, it is amusing to see "those big people" trying to do exercise. It really IS funny. If you are big, you are seeing something you know is unrealistic and artificial. Either way, I find it insulting.:(

By the way, calories out > calories in, consistently and repeatedly = weight loss. As you loose weight, you do become more efficient, so weight loss becomes harder. Changing the way you do the calories out makes a difference.

So true. I can't count the numerous times I've watched the show with either a dozen doughnuts in front of me or a loaf of bread with Nutella.

I never realized people harbored such strong feelings towards the Biggest Loser! Personally, I enjoy the show and I like to see the transformations each contestant makes over the course of the program. And that's all I have to say about that. ;)

While I'm no nutritionalist nor a certified trainer, I do enjoy reading about fitness and I know what I need to do to stay in shape. Did that stop me from putting on a few extra pounds? Nope! I had a plan that was going to start next Monday. Well, maybe the following Monday. Busy that day? There's always next Monday!

During the whole time, though, I was very cognizant of every pound I put on, of every notch I had to let out of my belt, and of my shortness of breath at the top of a flight of stairs. Most of all, I knew damn good and well who was to blame: myself.

Long story short, I bought a bike with the intention of shedding a few pounds and, so far, I've been consistent and the results are showing. Cleaned up my diet to the point my kids are tired of chicken breast!

So yes, I agree with the previous posters who say that anyone can do it (certain medical conditions not withstanding). Long term success, however, requires personal commitment to a new life style with the understanding that we are all responsible for our own decisions.

have you actually watched the show? More than ten-minutes worth?

I watched a couple of episodes a few years ago. One doesn't need to repeatedly eat bad eggs to know they are bad.

I watched a couple of episodes a few years ago. One doesn't need to repeatedly eat bad eggs to know they are bad.

Family Guy season 1 sucks compared to now. Time warps everything.

although i respect your opinions, you are incorrect. these people are beyond out of control.

So was I when I was 400 pounds. I lost over 150 pounds without a retreat, a camera, and a team of people helping me. I did it by assuming responsibility.

First and foremost, it's a TV show. I know that sounds obvious, but the primary purpose of it is to generate ratings and ad revenue. I found it to be interesting in the past, but the last several seasons haven't been very good I don't think. Again, I know they exist to generate money, but I really hate the integrated advertising. I also really hate the whole "you think you're 30, but your body is really 74 years old" drama. That is complete junk.

I also disagree with the basic premise. The solution to overcoming obesity is not to become an incredible athlete for many people. Small lifestyle changes will go a long way, but it is not necessary to eat such a restrictive diet and to exercise at that intensity for that amount of time per day for most of us.

For a lot of us here, it not most of us here, we've found a love for cycling. There are many ways to exercise, but having a sport to be passionate about drives food and exercise choices. Without a sport to be enthusiastic for, spending hours on a hamster wheel isn't all that appealing. Weight loss is almost a bi-product of cycling for me. I am getting into better shape, and that is my goal, but I'd be cycling at any weight. :)

Agreed!

The other problem with the show/concept is that since they are there just to lose weight, they don't learn how to fit exercise and a good diet into their daily lives. What will happen to them 5 years after the show?

As my wife was watching the show the other night I had commented about wondering if they would do a show with all the people who regained weight for a second go through or if there would be some documentery maker who would do a review of all the contestants.

As mentioned earlier they do have time off. Last year I think one team member went home for a month and then there is the break between the last day on the ranch and the finale. I don't think those are realistic breaks though. They are still competing to win something which gives them some incentive to lose some weight or keep it off. It is in the weeks or months after the finale that I wonder if they'll drop off.

I know when my main goal for losing weight was removed it easily all came back on because all the changes I made went back to how they were because adding a few lbs at a time you really don't notice things getting bad because your still holding onto the fit part until you cross some line where your no longer fit and you've put on alot of weight again. So without those big dollar prize, trainers, cameras and hooplah pushing it may be really hard to keep up.

To the OP eating 2000 calories and buring 8000 still gets your body a normal amount of calories I think? Usually when people mention starvation mode is when people eat closer or under 1000 calories although maybe burning 4x what you eat is starvation regardless of the level of intake *shrug*.

As my wife was watching the show the other night I had commented about wondering if they would do a show with all the people who regained weight for a second go through or if there would be some documentery maker who would do a review of all the contestants.

As mentioned earlier they do have time off. Last year I think one team member went home for a month and then there is the break between the last day on the ranch and the finale. I don't think those are realistic breaks though. They are still competing to win something which gives them some incentive to lose some weight or keep it off. It is in the weeks or months after the finale that I wonder if they'll drop off.

I know when my main goal for losing weight was removed it easily all came back on because all the changes I made went back to how they were because adding a few lbs at a time you really don't notice things getting bad because your still holding onto the fit part until you cross some line where your no longer fit and you've put on alot of weight again. So without those big dollar prize, trainers, cameras and hooplah pushing it may be really hard to keep up.

To the OP eating 2000 calories and buring 8000 still gets your body a normal amount of calories I think? Usually when people mention starvation mode is when people eat closer or under 1000 calories although maybe burning 4x what you eat is starvation regardless of the level of intake *shrug*.

Obesity is in part the long term effect of bad habits that are created over 15, 20, 30, 50+ years. You will not erase it completely regardless of what you do. Prime example is that even people that have gastric bypass have a certain percentage that regain some (some a lot) weight after hitting their lowest weight post surgery. The "goal" was reached (loosing weight), so they go back to bad habits. In those cases, the surgery allows them to only gain so much depending on what type of surgery was done originally. In this show, they can't erase decades of bad habits that created who you are as a person today. They can help you loose some of the weight, but the moment the military style regimen of working out disappears, they go back to being who they were all along. The worst part for me and why I find it even more insulting, is that they are not even trying to form new habits. They are simply sounding like they are to make the show amusing for the public. It appears as if they are doing something good, but in reality they are simply entertaining the public with fat people crying and jumping around.

Well, I'll get off my soap box now. Have said too much already.:rolleyes:

So was I when I was 400 pounds. I lost over 150 pounds without a retreat, a camera, and a team of people helping me. I did it by assuming responsibility.

exactly, i didn't say that people cant do it. on the contrary, if you looked at my other posts i said the show is an inspiration to those who think it cant be done. look at the pound of pound challenge. losing weight takes self discipline and even if you are on the show and dont have it, you will either be voted off or gain the weight back.

i commend you and respect your standing up to yourself and assuming responsibility. its a hard thing to do. congratulations on your weight loss. seriously awesome.

The solution to overcoming obesity is not to become an incredible athlete for many people.

You're right. And the show doesn't try to push this. The solution to overcoming obesity is addressing your issues and why you got there in the first place. Once you address your inner demons, an integrated and healthy lifestyle is easier to incorporate. Watch the show. Never once do you hear the trainers say anything about becoming athletes. They will address the contestants as athletes --and why not? they are, aren't they? But also hear them address each contestant's issues and how they became so overweight in the first place. Start inside, the outside follows.

The only thing I wish the show would address is the group of people (and I include my parents in this segment) who watch the show and think, "wow, that's an extreme. I'm not that overweight, so I don't have to change anything."

And I don't mind the product placements. Sure, they're overt and obvious, but hey, they work.

You're right. And the show doesn't try to push this. The solution to overcoming obesity is addressing your issues and why you got there in the first place. Once you address your inner demons, an integrated and healthy lifestyle is easier to incorporate. Watch the show. Never once do you hear the trainers say anything about becoming athletes. They will address the contestants as athletes --and why not? they are, aren't they? But also hear them address each contestant's issues and how they became so overweight in the first place. Start inside, the outside follows.

The only thing I wish the show would address is the group of people (and I include my parents in this segment) who watch the show and think, "wow, that's an extreme. I'm not that overweight, so I don't have to change anything."

And I don't mind the product placements. Sure, they're overt and obvious, but hey, they work.

yeah it sounds like alot of people who hate on the show never really watch it. i have watched it every season. Jilian has brought her mother on to counsel them and they are always talking with them one on one to beat the defeatist attitude that they have, and realize they can do anything if they truly want to put in the work.

the product placements are so people realize there are tasty alternatives. have a yoplait instead of a tub of ice cream...sounds good. chew flavored gum instead of eating a leg of lamb...sounds better, use a refillable water bottle cause you are more likely to drink more water...true... whats wrong with promoting things that help.
i would criticize it if they said, he look at this Joe Weider olympic weight set...thats what you need to get skinny.

Historian, I understand your point, and agree with it to some degree. But I think the program is pretty good from the point of showing that even people with SERIOUS weight problems can get in the gym, can exercise with intensity and surprising endurance. Maybe that has inspired some people who feel they can't, to believe they can. Just like some of the clydes here have inspired people who thought they were too big to ride, to go get a bike and get busy riding.

I hope most people are smart enough to realize that the show participants exercise way more than is possible in "real life" with a job, family, etc. -- and that for most people weight loss will be much more gradual than on the show.



It also shows the world that fat people are normal - and have huge hearts.I LOVE the show....I know there's more to life then the gym - but some of these people might need a jump start.... Just my 2 cents. I would definitely go on the biggest loser!! I'd be the purple team....

I can't help wondering about the injury rate on shows like this. To go from doing no exercise at all to 4-7 hours a day is a huge increase. I get tendonitis around my knees if I even do an extra 4 laps of breast stroke, and I've been exercising all my adult life and swimming 3-6 times a week for the last 10 of it.

I think incorporating exercise gradually into someone's life, and making sure at least some of those activities are very pleasureable, would result in far more long-lasting results and permanent changes in lifestyle. Of course, that wouldn't make for exciting television, any more than "Project Runway" really gives us a top clothing designer.

I personally enjoy watching the show. What I especially like is the large at home prize. Last year's winner of the At Home prize was kicked off the ranch on the 1st week. Just spending a week there was enough to give him a very good start. I also liked that they pointed out this season that the weight loss is not magic, but also that it is not realist to loose this kind of weight at home without the help both with the nutition and the workout. Clearly most people can not work out 4 to 7 hours a day. It does show the world that if you start to watch what you eat carefully and you start to seriously increase your physical excersion that you can loose weight. What is great is to see older contestant who may have serious physical limitations such as bad knees. Even with physical limitations hugh weightloss can be achieved. What is also nice to see is various follow-up's I've seen on the web. The majority of the contestants put on a little (10 to 20 Lbs in the last article) weight after they achieve the greatest loss. Even with a little rebound, most managed to stay in what is considred a healthy weight years after the fact, whereas they started the show severely over weight.

Happy riding,
André