Grillparzer
10-06-09, 02:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/cab-vs-pedicab-road-rage_n_311303.html
Advocacy & Safety - Pedicab/Taxicab fight video
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Digital_Cowboy
10-06-09, 03:26 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/cab-vs-pedicab-road-rage_n_311303.html
I could be mistaken, but it looks as if the cab driver is the instigator in this fight. As well as having hit the pedicab's side and front wheel. Granted the pedicab operator wasn't smart in taking off, and should have waited for the police to come so that he could give his side of the story. What damage is the pedicab operator suppose to have done to the cab? All I saw him do is/was throw his coffee/drink and slap it with his hands.
It also looks to me as if the footage that was shot indicates that the cabbie and not the pedicab operator is the one who is at fault.
I could be mistaken, but it looks as if the cab driver is the instigator in this fight. As well as having hit the pedicab's side and front wheel. Granted the pedicab operator wasn't smart in taking off, and should have waited for the police to come so that he could give his side of the story. What damage is the pedicab operator suppose to have done to the cab? All I saw him do is/was throw his coffee/drink and slap it with his hands.
It also looks to me as if the footage that was shot indicates that the cabbie and not the pedicab operator is the one who is at fault.
wroomwroomoops
10-06-09, 04:28 PM
Are you kidding me? The cab driver deliberately slammed into the pedicab. It's not even slightly controversial.
wroomwroomoops
10-06-09, 04:32 PM
You know, people are using cars as deadly weapons even deliberately sometimes - it's the height of hypocrisy when they pretend they don't, that it didn't even happen. In Japan the rule is simple: by default, it's the car driver's fault - because he/she handles a deadly weapon!
randya
10-06-09, 04:35 PM
trying to figure out why the HuffingtonPost covered this ~ what's their angle? I didn't see much commentary accompanying the video.
MWPdx
10-06-09, 04:52 PM
wow... yeah, biker guy definitely shoulda stayed. Doesn't that automatically make you the at-fault driver if you leave?? Or something?? Also, he shoulda been a better fighter... I mean come on, you're a bike rider in New York, you gotta at least be able to out-brawl a guy driving a freakin minivan... **sigh**
mikewille
10-06-09, 05:00 PM
Stupid to hit a pedicab with your taxi, stupider to throw your coffee at a taxi from your easily-identifiable pedicab when there's no quick easy getaway.
Digital_Cowboy
10-06-09, 05:52 PM
Stupid to hit a pedicab with your taxi, stupider to throw your coffee at a taxi from your easily-identifiable pedicab when there's no quick easy getaway.
Even dumber to get into a street brawl in front of multiple camera crews.
Even dumber to get into a street brawl in front of multiple camera crews.
randya
10-06-09, 06:14 PM
that's New York City for ya
Grillparzer
10-06-09, 06:33 PM
Leaving doesn't automatically make you at fault in an accident, but it can get you charged with leaving. The cab driver was at fault in my opinion. Not that it makes a difference whose at fault, but he threw trash at the pedicab and then pulled over to cut him off. Since it's on film the worse thing he could have done was call the police. I'm not sure who rushed who but that's a separate matter legally.
Buddha4
10-06-09, 06:50 PM
Thought that it took a "long" time for the LEO's to show up. You would think there would have been one within a couple of blocks.
Suprised the Van"cabbie" didn't even throw a punch once the pedi operator "gave up his back" not a good idea in a fight. he was completely defenseless at that point.
Suprised the Van"cabbie" didn't even throw a punch once the pedi operator "gave up his back" not a good idea in a fight. he was completely defenseless at that point.
Digital_Cowboy
10-06-09, 07:01 PM
Leaving doesn't automatically make you at fault in an accident, but it can get you charged with leaving. The cab driver was at fault in my opinion. Not that it makes a difference whose at fault, but he threw trash at the pedicab and then pulled over to cut him off. Since it's on film the worse thing he could have done was call the police. I'm not sure who rushed who but that's a separate matter legally.
I think that you mean that the pedicab operator threw the trashcan at the cabbie.
I think that you mean that the pedicab operator threw the trashcan at the cabbie.
Digital_Cowboy
10-06-09, 07:10 PM
Thought that it took a "long" time for the LEO's to show up. You would think there would have been one within a couple of blocks.
Suprised the Van"cabbie" didn't even throw a punch once the pedi operator "gave up his back" not a good idea in a fight. he was completely defenseless at that point.
Except for the TV crews and witnesses all over the streets/sidewalks. I think that the reporters were being generous in calling the two combatants "gentlemen."
Suprised the Van"cabbie" didn't even throw a punch once the pedi operator "gave up his back" not a good idea in a fight. he was completely defenseless at that point.
Except for the TV crews and witnesses all over the streets/sidewalks. I think that the reporters were being generous in calling the two combatants "gentlemen."
randya
10-06-09, 07:15 PM
I think that you mean that the pedicab operator threw the trashcan at the cabbie.
I thought he showed incredible restraint by not putting the trashcan through the windshield of the taxi
I thought he showed incredible restraint by not putting the trashcan through the windshield of the taxi
Digital_Cowboy
10-06-09, 07:35 PM
I thought he showed incredible restraint by not putting the trashcan through the windshield of the taxi
Same here, or at least bouncing it off of the engine hood. It would have made a nice dent in that hood.
Same here, or at least bouncing it off of the engine hood. It would have made a nice dent in that hood.
Hickeydog
10-06-09, 08:35 PM
Also, he shoulda been a better fighter... I mean come on, you're a bike rider in New York, you gotta at least be able to out-brawl a guy driving a freakin minivan... **sigh**
a .45 goes a long way...........just sayin.
a .45 goes a long way...........just sayin.
wheel
10-06-09, 10:55 PM
I would run to if I threw a garbage can at someone on tape, and the cops were coming.
Commando303
10-06-09, 11:34 PM
The tape doesn't seem to show the entire incident: the rickshaw-operator is facing back at the taxi-driver at the start of the video, already engaged in an acrimonious exchange. As such, none of us knows "all of what happened," despite seeing the blows get thrown.
As for the rickshaw-operator's leaving the scene, he shouldn't have, but, people do dumb things when fired up on emotions. Also, I think it's a bit much for anyone to imply the cabbie tried to kill the other man: he shouldn't have run his taxi-cab into the rickshaw, but his doing so might not have been objectionable if, prior to the recording, the other guy had, say, hurled a different trash can at the taxi...
As for the rickshaw-operator's leaving the scene, he shouldn't have, but, people do dumb things when fired up on emotions. Also, I think it's a bit much for anyone to imply the cabbie tried to kill the other man: he shouldn't have run his taxi-cab into the rickshaw, but his doing so might not have been objectionable if, prior to the recording, the other guy had, say, hurled a different trash can at the taxi...
hairyman
10-07-09, 09:36 AM
So they're both at fault:
pedicab driver: littering, assault? (for the trash can), leaving the scene of a crash
minivan driver: assault with a deadly weapon
I'd say assault with a deadly weapon trumps the other petty stuff.
pedicab driver: littering, assault? (for the trash can), leaving the scene of a crash
minivan driver: assault with a deadly weapon
I'd say assault with a deadly weapon trumps the other petty stuff.
roadiejorge
10-07-09, 10:18 AM
That was a dangerous move by the taxi driver but not a surprising one because I've seen things like that happen while riding in NYC, especially areas frequented by taxis. You have to keep your wits about you when riding in the city because otherwise you'll spend more time fighting than riding.
nelson249
10-07-09, 11:13 AM
a .45 goes a long way...........just sayin.
Yeah, that would have made it all better. :rolleyes:
Yeah, that would have made it all better. :rolleyes:
CB HI
10-07-09, 02:44 PM
Also, I think it's a bit much for anyone to imply the cabbie tried to kill the other man: he shouldn't have run his taxi-cab into the rickshaw, ...Go back and listen to the audio. The news crew is describing what happened to some other person (I guess a bystander) and said that the one guy (cabbie) was CHOKING the other guy (cyclist).
antonyfhilliard
10-07-09, 02:49 PM
A lesson on how lame street fights are. After a few seconds, it's just two guys humping in the middle of the street.
Much better to ride away.
Much better to ride away.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 03:05 PM
Go back and listen to the audio. The news crew is describing what happened to some other person (I guess a bystander) and said that the one guy (cabbie) was CHOKING the other guy (cyclist).
Also if you go back and listen to that part you'll notice that the censor was asleep at the button. ;-)
Also if you go back and listen to that part you'll notice that the censor was asleep at the button. ;-)
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 03:06 PM
A lesson on how lame street fights are. After a few seconds, it's just two guys humping in the middle of the street.
Much better to ride away.
My neighbor made pretty much the same comment. Without the riding away part.
Much better to ride away.
My neighbor made pretty much the same comment. Without the riding away part.
DX-MAN
10-07-09, 05:53 PM
The pedicab operator left because he was afraid of getting his azz whupped again, period.
But the cabbie was 100% wrong, and needed SOMEBODY to straighten him out; too bad this wasn't the time.
But the cabbie was 100% wrong, and needed SOMEBODY to straighten him out; too bad this wasn't the time.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 06:37 PM
The pedicab operator left because he was afraid of getting his azz whupped again, period.
But the cabbie was 100% wrong, and needed SOMEBODY to straighten him out; too bad this wasn't the time.
The fight part looked pretty much like a draw as it was broken up before they could really do any damage to each other.
But the cabbie was 100% wrong, and needed SOMEBODY to straighten him out; too bad this wasn't the time.
The fight part looked pretty much like a draw as it was broken up before they could really do any damage to each other.
Mr_Fred
10-07-09, 06:55 PM
You kidding me? The cabbie won the fight. First he ducked the initial punch. Then he did a single leg take down before TDFF (the dead fish flop). He miscalculated TDFF and got caught in a side head lock. But he had better body position and would've started grounding & pounding if he escaped the headlock.
Assault with a deadly weapon? Are you kidding me? That was a gentle tap! I hit cars harder than than when I parallel park.
In my opinion, the pedicab escalated the situation by tossing the drink into the window. The cab driver barely touched the pedicab. If he really wanted to hurt the guy, he could've rammed him much harder.
The pedicab also charges and throws the first punch (which missed by a mile). Then he got caught with his face in the asphalt.
Assault with a deadly weapon? Are you kidding me? That was a gentle tap! I hit cars harder than than when I parallel park.
In my opinion, the pedicab escalated the situation by tossing the drink into the window. The cab driver barely touched the pedicab. If he really wanted to hurt the guy, he could've rammed him much harder.
The pedicab also charges and throws the first punch (which missed by a mile). Then he got caught with his face in the asphalt.
Grillparzer
10-07-09, 08:13 PM
I think that you mean that the pedicab operator threw the trashcan at the cabbie.
No, as the cab comes even with the pedicab at the start of the film, the cabbie throws what looks like a fast food bag at the pedicab, then the cabbie pulls the cab in to the pedicab.
No, as the cab comes even with the pedicab at the start of the film, the cabbie throws what looks like a fast food bag at the pedicab, then the cabbie pulls the cab in to the pedicab.
daredevil
10-07-09, 08:17 PM
pepper spray...have some handy if you're prone to fighting. That would have stopped the cabbie in a hurry.
hairnet
10-07-09, 08:34 PM
pepper spray...have some handy if you're prone to fighting. That would have stopped the cabbie in a hurry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHFLfe9zaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHFLfe9zaU
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 09:29 PM
<Snip>
Assault with a deadly weapon? Are you kidding me? That was a gentle tap! I hit cars harder than than when I parallel park.
<Snip>
If that's true, then you sound as if your as dangerous in your car as you are on your bicycle. As well as sounding like someone who should be walking/riding the bus instead of operating any type of vehicle.
Assault with a deadly weapon? Are you kidding me? That was a gentle tap! I hit cars harder than than when I parallel park.
<Snip>
If that's true, then you sound as if your as dangerous in your car as you are on your bicycle. As well as sounding like someone who should be walking/riding the bus instead of operating any type of vehicle.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 09:32 PM
No, as the cab comes even with the pedicab at the start of the film, the cabbie throws what looks like a fast food bag at the pedicab, then the cabbie pulls the cab in to the pedicab.
Go back and watch it again. The pedicab operator and cabbie exchange words, then when the cabbie pulls up even with the pedicab the pedicab operator throws his coffee at the cab. Then the cabbie hits the pedicab and they then escalates to a street brawl.
Go back and watch it again. The pedicab operator and cabbie exchange words, then when the cabbie pulls up even with the pedicab the pedicab operator throws his coffee at the cab. Then the cabbie hits the pedicab and they then escalates to a street brawl.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 09:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHFLfe9zaU
Ah yes, the never bring a knife/sword to a gun fight syndrome.
Ah yes, the never bring a knife/sword to a gun fight syndrome.
Mr_Fred
10-07-09, 09:35 PM
If that's true, then you sound as if your as dangerous in your car as you are on your bicycle. As well as sounding like someone who should be walking/riding the bus instead of operating any type of vehicle.
I should. But I have the privilege to operate a car, motorcycle and a bicycle. The latter doesn't require a license.
I should. But I have the privilege to operate a car, motorcycle and a bicycle. The latter doesn't require a license.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 09:41 PM
I should. But I have the privilege to operate a car, motorcycle and a bicycle. The latter doesn't require a license.
Exactly it's a privilege, and one that you should lose. Granted one doesn't need a license to operate a bicycle, but you sound like the type of cyclist that causes motorists to "demand" that cyclists have a license.
Exactly it's a privilege, and one that you should lose. Granted one doesn't need a license to operate a bicycle, but you sound like the type of cyclist that causes motorists to "demand" that cyclists have a license.
Mr_Fred
10-07-09, 09:46 PM
Knock on wood, but I haven't had a moving violation or an accident in the past 10 years. I also have professional lessons with Skip Barber racing. I have tons of track experience (car/motorcycle/bike). I used to work at Englishtown (local track) as a side job to get to use the track for free. I'm also less than 8 miles away from the local velodrome.
I will "pwned" you in any race (bike, motorcycle or car). Bring identical machines and put some money on the line, then we'll talk.
I will "pwned" you in any race (bike, motorcycle or car). Bring identical machines and put some money on the line, then we'll talk.
Digital_Cowboy
10-07-09, 10:01 PM
Knock on wood, but I haven't had a moving violation or an accident in the past 10 years. I also have professional lessons with Skip Barber racing. I have tons of track experience (car/motorcycle/bike). I used to work at Englishtown (local track) as a side job to get to use the track for free. I'm also less than 8 miles away from the local velodrome.
I will "pwned" you in any race (bike, motorcycle or car). Bring identical machines and put some money on the line, then we'll talk.
Aren't you the same person who claimed to have been doored on their way to jury duty??? That sounds like an "accident" to me.
I will "pwned" you in any race (bike, motorcycle or car). Bring identical machines and put some money on the line, then we'll talk.
Aren't you the same person who claimed to have been doored on their way to jury duty??? That sounds like an "accident" to me.
Mr_Fred
10-07-09, 10:07 PM
Nope, it wasn't me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4axo9rmJY)
hairyman
10-08-09, 05:07 AM
Nope, it wasn't me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4axo9rmJY)
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was you. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=591650)
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was you. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=591650)
genec
10-08-09, 06:04 AM
Aren't you the same person who claimed to have been doored on their way to jury duty??? That sounds like an "accident" to me.
I believe on the commuting forum he claimed to go through a car window... :innocent:
I guess he thinks we all have short memories.
I believe on the commuting forum he claimed to go through a car window... :innocent:
I guess he thinks we all have short memories.
wroomwroomoops
10-08-09, 07:41 AM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was you. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=591650)
That's indeed a painful story.
To quote:
Because of construction work that caused 4 lanes to merge into one lane, I chose to ride up onto the sidewalk for 300ft. It was 7am in the morning as I was commuting to jury duty.
The sidewalk was completely empty. I decided to ride next to the curb (just to be sure I don't get in anyone's way).
My usual average speed is 8mph (according to my Cateye Velo 2 computer). I ride a Trek Navigator. This portion of the road was downhill. I was riding my rear brakes, but I knew I was going too fast.
Suddenly, the passenger door flew open right in front of me. It was a Toyota Highlander. The window was 25% opened. I slammed on my brakes and flew head first into the window. Luckily, I have a small camera mount (that I made from a mini tripod) attached to the top of my helmet. The tripod struck the window and shattered it. When I opened my eyes, my head & arms were on one side of the door and my legs were on the other.
I fell down to the ground in pain. My bike was next to me. The passenger slammed the door shut and the driver slammed on the gas and screeched off.
Someone called the police. Eventually, the ambulance came too. I declined medical service since I have no medical insurance. The police asked if I wanted to make a report. I declined as well.
My front wheel was bent. My fork is bent. I ended up walking 4 miles to jury duty and was 50 minutes late.
After jury duty, I had to walk 7 miles back home. I was starving and had no money. I already ate the turkey and cheese sandwich I made for lunch. I tried taking the subway home, but the token booth man didn't let me in because I had no money.
It was a very long day.
That's indeed a painful story.
To quote:
Because of construction work that caused 4 lanes to merge into one lane, I chose to ride up onto the sidewalk for 300ft. It was 7am in the morning as I was commuting to jury duty.
The sidewalk was completely empty. I decided to ride next to the curb (just to be sure I don't get in anyone's way).
My usual average speed is 8mph (according to my Cateye Velo 2 computer). I ride a Trek Navigator. This portion of the road was downhill. I was riding my rear brakes, but I knew I was going too fast.
Suddenly, the passenger door flew open right in front of me. It was a Toyota Highlander. The window was 25% opened. I slammed on my brakes and flew head first into the window. Luckily, I have a small camera mount (that I made from a mini tripod) attached to the top of my helmet. The tripod struck the window and shattered it. When I opened my eyes, my head & arms were on one side of the door and my legs were on the other.
I fell down to the ground in pain. My bike was next to me. The passenger slammed the door shut and the driver slammed on the gas and screeched off.
Someone called the police. Eventually, the ambulance came too. I declined medical service since I have no medical insurance. The police asked if I wanted to make a report. I declined as well.
My front wheel was bent. My fork is bent. I ended up walking 4 miles to jury duty and was 50 minutes late.
After jury duty, I had to walk 7 miles back home. I was starving and had no money. I already ate the turkey and cheese sandwich I made for lunch. I tried taking the subway home, but the token booth man didn't let me in because I had no money.
It was a very long day.
Metzinger
10-08-09, 07:57 AM
I will "pwned" you in any race (bike, motorcycle or car). Bring identical machines and put some money on the line, then we'll talk.
Indeed.
Congrats, Mr Fred, on your recent successful single-post troll thread.
The mid-thread successful troll is probably harder to accomplish.
If you can pull this one off, I'll be truly impressed.
Indeed.
Congrats, Mr Fred, on your recent successful single-post troll thread.
The mid-thread successful troll is probably harder to accomplish.
If you can pull this one off, I'll be truly impressed.
Grillparzer
10-08-09, 08:52 AM
Go back and watch it again. The pedicab operator and cabbie exchange words, then when the cabbie pulls up even with the pedicab the pedicab operator throws his coffee at the cab.
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
Digital_Cowboy
10-08-09, 12:18 PM
I believe on the commuting forum he claimed to go through a car window... :innocent:
I guess he thinks we all have short memories.
That was his claim here as well, and that the camera tripod that he has on his helmet "saved" him by breaking the window before he went through it.
Reading his posts I think he might have a future as a writer of fiction, or comedy.
I guess he thinks we all have short memories.
That was his claim here as well, and that the camera tripod that he has on his helmet "saved" him by breaking the window before he went through it.
Reading his posts I think he might have a future as a writer of fiction, or comedy.
Limey1212
10-08-09, 01:11 PM
Reading his posts I think he might have a future as a writer of fiction, or comedy.
Sorry to disagree, his stories just aren't that entertaining ;)
Sorry to disagree, his stories just aren't that entertaining ;)
Mr_Fred
10-09-09, 12:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUZY9eTObw8
Digital_Cowboy
10-09-09, 01:13 AM
Sorry to disagree, his stories just aren't that entertaining ;)
Didn't say it would be a long or good future. Just that he might.
And he does make the stories in the Star, Examiner, and whatnot sound believable. Or at least more believable then his.
Didn't say it would be a long or good future. Just that he might.
And he does make the stories in the Star, Examiner, and whatnot sound believable. Or at least more believable then his.
Mr_Fred
10-09-09, 02:54 AM
That was his claim here as well, and that the camera tripod that he has on his helmet "saved" him by breaking the window before he went through it.
Reading his posts I think he might have a future as a writer of fiction, or comedy.
You really don't think I have a tripod on my helmet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdd-pg0WTus
I even gave you a shout out.
Reading his posts I think he might have a future as a writer of fiction, or comedy.
You really don't think I have a tripod on my helmet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdd-pg0WTus
I even gave you a shout out.