Professional Cycling For the Fans - The Future of the TDF

So, who are the riders to look for? Lance and Tyler will NOT be around forever.

Karpets
Menchov
Voeckler
Chavanel
Casar
Rogers
Cunego
Popovych

I expect very big things from Popovych. I can see Menchov doing some things in the future too.

It's just so hard to say, things are so unpredictable in cycling these days. Who'd have seen Cunego coming before this season started?

I think Basso had a tremendous Tour and should contend for a few GC wins in the near future. First he's only, what 25? He rode with LA in the mountains and I do think LA was looking to drop him. In the last TT he "only" dropped ~3 minutes which is a tremendous improvement for him. All that and he's got a strong team and very good DS.

Cunego is interesting as well and he's only 23. Soon, very soon he'll take the top spot from Simoni and Saeco is not a weak team.

I don't think either of these will threaten LA's new record but between them I look to see them win more than a few GTs.

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I definitely think that Basso will the name to look out for in the future for GC wins.... he's young enough, and has enough experience. He just has to fine tune his Time Trialing and get his game Tight.

The next big Sprinter is gonna be Boonen.. I know a lot of you on here have talked a lot about him the past year or so, that I've really paid attention, and I think within a few years as today's sprinters slow down and retire... Boonen will take over.. he's really impressed me in this years TdF.

jeff

So what about young guys from the US? Anybody know if we have any young guys who can compete in Europe? In order to keep our TV coverage, we need some US interest.

Stefano Garzelli, Joseba Beloki- but I would like to see how he does in the Vuelta (I assume his team will get an invitation). I hope he's fully recovered and hasn't rushed his recovery from his crash last year, Alejandro Valverde because I think he's a great climber, and Cunego- although I'd like to see him racing next season before I completely decide about him.

Koffee

Beloki just signed with Saunier Duval. They weren't at the Vuelta last year (were they a team last year?)

Nope. They were saying it's a newly formed team, and they signed Beloki and hope to get an invitation to go to the Vuelta. I also read an interview where they said Beloki is training for the Vuelta, so I believe they expect they will go.

Koffee

Astarloza looked like he might have potential (62nd overall isn't too shabby). Matthias Kessler from T-Mobile, perhaps?

Astarloza looked like he might have potential (62nd overall isn't too shabby). Matthias Kessler from T-Mobile, perhaps?

I think Tom Danielson will be in the top 10 in Spain, and he will win the Tour in 2006.

Cheers

The next big Sprinter is gonna be Boonen.. I know a lot of you on here have talked a lot about him the past year or so, that I've really paid attention, and I think within a few years as today's sprinters slow down and retire... Boonen will take over.. he's really impressed me in this years TdF.
It's been a while since I've said it... GO TOM BOONEN! Look for him in the one-day races, Sipper. If you wait to see him in the Tour, you'll miss most of his career.

Michael Rogers is a good bet for the future, I think. He'll end up wearing the World Champion's TT jersey some time this season, won't he?

I hope Voeckler does well, too. Get him the coaching or training that he needs, and he could maybe make the podium some day. How many times did he make it back to the lead group on Stage 13? Six? If determination is enough....

Honorable mention goes to Menchov. Great looking palmares (http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/rusland.Menchov.htm). It was a shame we didn't get to see him finish.

Cunego is interesting as well and he's only 23. Soon, very soon he'll take the top spot from Simoni and Saeco is not a weak team.

Just out of curiosity.... Why in the world would Saeco not put Cunego in the Tour? I would just think that after winning the Giro, he'd be a lock for the Tour team. I realize that there are a lot of thing sI don't understand about the dynamics of bike racing, but why would you not put such a strong rider in there?

Cunego is my #1 man. Can't go wrong with that kid.

Besides him..

Cadel Evans
Tom Danielson
Floyd Landis
Voeckler
Karpets
Basso
Valverde (you guys forget about him or something?)

How about the king of the Spring classics, Davide Rebellin? Could he do well in a GT in the future?

Rebellin is a lot like Betini. Both of them can power there way over the hills of the north but have problems in the type of climbs seen in the alps. He could be a stage winner but not a GC threat.

Just out of curiosity.... Why in the world would Saeco not put Cunego in the Tour? I would just think that after winning the Giro, he'd be a lock for the Tour team. I realize that there are a lot of thing sI don't understand about the dynamics of bike racing, but why would you not put such a strong rider in there?

At the time Saeco leadership stated that the Giro was unexpected and that original plans did not have Cunego doing the Tour. They decided to stay with original plans since he's very young and they're afraid of trying to do too much too soon. They also were saying they weren't too sure about TdF for next year either.

Wouldn't surprise me if that changed.

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What happened to Jose Antonio Pecharroman this year? He was supposed to be Spain's next big hope.

I think Floyd Landis has a fairly promising future, assuming I'm remembering his age correctly as 26-27...

Siggy

Landis and Leipheimer are both Americans that could do well in the future. Rumor has it that Levi is looking to swich back to Postal/Discovery. With the right coaching and DS leadership, I think he could come back to his Vuelta form.
It would be cool if Hamilton came back to Postal/Discovery, too.
Personally, I am looking forward to the possibility of Armstrong going up against Simoni in Italy...we might never hear from Gilberto again.

Andreas Kloden...nobody's mentioned him that I could see. The guy reduced Ullrich to support status within his own team.
Imagine the inner workings of T-Mobile if Kloden had also had Vino with him...

From USPS/Discovery both Landis and Azevedo look to be very near to being able to ride for themselves. I don't know Azevedo's age. Normally that might mean they'd be looking for other teams but with the Pro Tour requirement of riding the 3 GTs there is room for "extra" GC men on Discovery. Of course $ might become an issue too.

Kloden is interesting. Considering he was going against LA and Ullrich, probably the 2 preeminent TTers of this generation, his 3rd place in the last ITT was pretty good. Also showed capability in the mountains.

My $ is on Basso, Cunego and Landis as next "big" things. Don't know if any of them will win alot of GCs individually but collectively they might dominate cycling for the next decade.

Then again they might not.......

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I forgot Philippe Gilbert.

What happened to Jose Antonio Pecharroman this year? He was supposed to be Spain's next big hope.

You will see him at the Vuelta.

As far as I can tell, Cunego and Basso are the class of the young riders. If Cunego learns to TT, watch out.

I still have an eye for Michael Rogers, but he's not a natural in the high mountains which may limit his success.

Kloden won Paris Nice in 2000, but his promise has gone largely unfulfilled as a GT contender until this year. Perhaps this will awaken his ambition. To be fair, he has had to take a back seat to Ullrich and Vino, the first very talented and the second very aggressive, so he had a chance to show his worth this year unlike past years.

If I remember correctly, Landis is 29.

Thanks, Don. I had a feeling that Landis was close to 30. Hardly the future of cycling.

I thought he was younger than that.

And still nobody mentions Alejandro Valverde!

How about 'none of the above'?

Often the next dominant rider comes out of nowhere, with a heap of attitude and great legs. Too many of the riders named in this thread (who were at this year's Tour) were sheep, riding in the wheels and happy to be riding for a placing. A future champion would have at least made an effort to show himself........

(Kudos to Voeckler, by the way but he got a lucky break, a la Chiapucci, and made the best of his talent).

If Armstrong quits riding the Tour anytime soon- which he definitely won't- Ullrich will win easily, in the style of Indurain. His team will set the pace in the Mountains and he'll kill everyone in the ITT's.

Riding for the team is hard enough. Riding for yourself must be a terrible strain. Riding to win is a whole other level of responsibility and pressure.

I thought he was younger than that.

And still nobody mentions Alejandro Valverde!
If his team was actually in the Tour, we'd be talking about him, for sure. Valverde is arguably the most promising of all the up and coming riders.

But do you think that the Div II Kelme is the right team for Valverde?

Yeah, Kloeden looked like the complete package in the TdF. And Basso had a nice ITT in Besancon. Those guys would be my early favorites for next year's Tour if Armstrong isn't in it. (I know, what a stretch) :rolleyes:

All I can say is the first tour without armstrong is going to be a wild fight. Everyone will see the top step of the podium as up for grabs. I like landis too, I think he could probably definetly win a giro or vuelta, the tour he would have his work cut out for him but I could see him doing it as long as he stays focused. Cunego can just fly up the mountains without looking strained, loved watching him just simply drop everyone in the giro. I will be really interested to see what voeckler will do in next years tour. Tom Danielson could be a big surprise for the Vuelta this year I think. Anyone think Van Heeswik (sp?) on postal could take some stages in a grand tour?
In terms of the tour in the future based on other things, I hope, with tricky ricky out of the picture (maybe) next year, that the king of the mountains jersey will actually be fought for and see a handful of climbers duking it out.

I think if Tyler Hamilton as able to ride a TDF without having an injury impeding him, then he is a pretty good contender as well. He was doing great until he ran out of legs in this one. I think he just needs to figure out a better plan.

Patriot

Valverde, definetly
Cunego too, if he goes to a foreign team

Go Levi! That is all, haha.

voeckler got lucky i think. if chavanel had made the break to give him the jersey he would have done much better then voeckler i think, but instead he was forced to ride support for his teamate.

So, who are the riders to look for? Lance and Tyler will NOT be around forever.

Karpets
Menchov
Voeckler
Chavanel
Casar
Rogers
Cunego
Popovych

And, the winner of the "Future of the TDF" contest is: Basso.

Laggard, I KNOW you are going to whine about folks seeing how poorly your predictions turned out. But that is the POINT of predictions. We all made predictions about the "Future of the Tour". We all made bets on who the "stars" of the 2005 Tour would be. And, the end of the Tour is the time to compare our predictions with the actual results of the 2005 Tour.

You tell us (and tell us, and tell us) that you are THE expert on the Tour, and you tell us that anyone who does not worship your opinions is "an idiot". So, it is educational to see that the self-proclaimed "expert" was wrong on seven out of eight picks. About as accurate as throwing darts at a list of Pro riders. But, the rest of us did no better. Predicting the Tour is a mug's game.

You're really a sad little person, Alan. Digging up posts from a year ago. You need some help, buddy.

You're really a sad little person, Alan. Digging up posts from a year ago. You need some help, buddy.


I was just thinking that. You have a stalker Laggard. :eek:

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So to me it's looking like... Basso, Valverde, Cunego, Popyvich... who else?
Maybe the Vuelta this year will show us some stuff.

You're really a sad little person, Alan. Digging up posts from a year ago. You need some help, buddy.

dude..I heard from this guy who heard from his sister..he totally digs you...

In reply to Laggards original choices

Valverde -- Frikkin A... looks like he needs a little bit more experience at the GT level?
Cunego -- Promise...
Karpets -- Ceased to impress in the hills this year, did TT well though..
Voeckler -- Rides his heart out, a treat to watch..
Popovych -- I wasnt impressed too much but he is still young...

Additions..
Basso -- He showed consitently that he can attack and match LA.. The heir apparent..
Vino -- With a better team maybe....

Long Shots -
E.Dekker -- Young, TTs well..
D.Zabriskie -- Shows promise... Definetely got the body to climb ie not too big.. Can do a decent job now.. TTs. well we all know about that... Who knows??
Kloeden -- Maybe.. Just maybe

Cadel.

Speaking of TTs, Zabriskie and Thomas Dekker should be crossing swords in years to come.

I am coining a new term here to describe a possible future for the Tour: The Asian Invasion. I've been impressed with the work put in by Popovych, Andrei Kashechkin, and Andrei Grivko. Throw in Vladimir Karpets (a more known quantity) and you've got a potent group of possible GC contenders and stage winners. Those Ukrainians just seem to know how to push down on the pedals.

Evans will be interesting to watch.

Valverde
Evans
Danielson
Cunego
Wim??
Basso

I hope to see Jan win the TDF next year

Wim Van Huffel??

massive call.

sorry, did I miss Tyler's ban being lifted? At last calculation his career was over.

You're really a sad little person, Alan. Digging up posts from a year ago. You need some help, buddy.


Why did you MAKE predictions about the 2005 Tour if you are gonna whine about having your predictions compared with the actual results? Isn't that the point of making predictions?

Yeah, so you screwed up on seven out of eight picks. But, NONE of us had a very sharp crystal ball this year. Rasmussen, Evans and Mazzolleni near the top of the GC? And, "stars" such as Botero, at 51st. Mayo at 58th. Heras at 45th. Beloki at 77th. Who predicted THOSE results?


And it's time to place predictions for the 2006 Tour:

-Basso

-Ullrich

-Vinokourov


And, I promise not to whine if someone reminds me of how poorly my predictions turn out, after the 2006 Tour.

This thread was not about the 2005 TDF. Check out the thread title.

I actually picked 4 out of the current top-10 this year. Look at the 2005 prediction thread.

And I agree on your top three for 2006.