Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Another day, another 3,761 calories to eat...

gah...

lets see... since i quit cycling (againt stoopid Dr.)... cycling did help me lose the first 35 lbs in a very short amount of time...

I have ramped my caloric intake to 3,761 per day...

why?

I lost 5 pounds in the last couple of weeks... I am sick of eating... sick of it I tell you...

if anything this nutritional program/lifestyle change turns food into work and that makes it not as much fun...

fat burn (when the program starts cycling fat and sugar calories out and turns the body's metabolism against stored fat) starts next MONDAY!!!!!!!!!! then the fun begins!!!

day one 600 calorie reduction!!! I cannot wait!!!

anyhow that is my rant...

Is 3761 an increase or decrease? That sounds kind of high to me.

I'm at 1800 calories a day right now. Been that way for a while. Down about 40 pounds right now...

increase started at 3122 or so... basically 200 calories per week increase...

it is high but for what it is doing to my metabolism it is worth it.

if i was eating what i wanted when i wanted i wouldn' be anywhere near this number per day...

trick is, i have lost 3 inches and and 5 pounds eating this way ;)

fat burn starts next week (cyclic reduction of fat and sugar calories) then my metabolism kicks in and makes mr. fat cells reel in horror!

I'd love to hear more information on this diet...

So high calorie intake and how much exercise? or just plain eating more(of the right stuff) to weigh less? I would also like to hear more about this diet, sounds like it could work well for myself. Are there any names for it or is it just a purely medical oriented diet?

I've been going between 1900 and 3600 calories a day depending on if it's a rest or workout day. Started 13th of July and as of Oct 13th I'm down 43 pounds. This diet sounds very interesting I would love to get some more insight on it sounds like your doctor knows what he's doing if you've lost 3 inches and 5 pounds by eating 3.7k a day.

Cheers

Steve

I don't get it. If I stopped riding and at 3700 calories, I can't imagine how I'd lose weight.

Is this some kind of bizarro world you live in?

I don't get it. If I stopped riding and at 3700 calories, I can't imagine how I'd lose weight.

Is this some kind of bizarro world you live in?

no. it is a de-buked myth about weight loss.

the whole eat less exercise thing isn't the best way...

I have pictures :D (viewer discretion is advised :) )

those 3,761 calories are CLEAN and by clean i mean not a lot of sugar or fat. 252g of protein per day...

this is what I eat every day this week

all values are uncooked amounts... (except for beans)

1 cup (uncooked) oatmeal un-salted and very plain
4 servings of EAS Soy Protein mixed in water
5 Tilapa fillets
5 cups of cooked black beans
5 multi vitamins
1 Tbsp or olive oil (used as a emulsifier for protein shakes and my only external source of fat)
1/3 cup (uncooked) rice
32oz black coffee
3oz (uncooked) pasta
1 medium tomato

all this is under 1000mg of sodium and I can fetch gram amounts of sugar and fat and carbs if so desired...

I am basically feeding my metabolism so it doesn't go into starvation mode... everything I put in gets used of excreted never stored... because i am telling my body "there is no need to store any fat! times are good and food is a plenty!"

no next week I get to cycle out fat and sugar calories and it will force my metabolism to go to stored fat for the missing calories... vialo!!! weight loss!

32 oz. of coffee? Damn. I wouldn't be out of the bathroom long enough to eat anything if I drank that much coffee...

I'm glad it's working for you. But, I'd like to hear what a doctor says about it (and not the doctors on that site). I'd also be interested in what they have as a long term maintenance plan. I've seen a lot of diets that have you lose a bunch of weight quickly, but if you vary from the plan at all you gain it all back.

As for...


no. it is a de-buked myth about weight loss.

the whole eat less exercise thing isn't the best way...

Well.... I don't know that I'd say that. I can assure you thousands of people have used that strategy to lose weight and keep it off...

After reading the breakdown it makes sense, I was on a diet much like that one during my first 6 weeks of rebuildng my fitness. Lots of meats and fish, eggs, etc not one for soy (various reasons). Seems to make perfect sense since one needs to rekindle the metabolism after being in hibernation mode for so long.

I've gotten down to 1900 on rest days 3600 on workout days and so far I've lost weight all 14 weeks in a row. I suppose it's true what they say it matters more what you eat then how much sometimes.

yes it matters what you eat...

think of it like this you wouldn't put the same fuel in your pinto as you would a top fuel dragster would you?

and another motto I have heard tossed around...

ever wonder why it is called the FOOD AND DRUG ADMINSTRATION???

food in its basic elements carbs/fats/proteins is very powerful

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oh and you can train a fatbody into good cardio shape... but what we C & A s want to do in change out body composition!!!

I still don't get it...is there any info you can point me to out on the interwebs that explain more about this?

And, why would you have to stop cycling? It seems to me that intense exercise helps boost base metabolism - no?

www.physiquetransformation.com (http://www.physiquetransformation.com) read the ebook "secrets of a profesional dieter"

supposed to strength train during the conditioning phase

the during the fat burn phase aerobic is desired

I got hurt at work, had surgery on shoulder in april and get to have it again...

PS I dont drink all that coffee at once... :D Good Dog I'd float away!!!

that is over the course of the day!!! I am a coffee-holic

Thanks for the link going to give it a read.

Your diet looks more like 2500-3000 calories to me.
What is the dry weight of the oatmeal,and the beans.
What is the calorie count on that soy?
Wow, that is a lot of beans.

Tell us more.
Charlie

Your diet looks more like 2500-3000 calories to me.
What is the dry weight of the oatmeal,and the beans.
What is the calorie count on that soy?
Wow, that is a lot of beans.

Tell us more.
Charlie

my calories are coming directly off the serving size/nutrition label... and I put them all directly into the program, every thing I eat is weighed and measured... it is accurate.

that protein is pretty clean... Precision Fitness makes some that is a whole lot better...

calories per scoop on EAS...

170 calories, total fat 1.5g, 190mg sodium (could be zero), 300mg Potassium, Sugar 17g (could be zero), Protein 20g (could be 29g I think)

You would lose weight alot faster if you actually ate fruits and vegetables... I went from 230 to 150 in about 2 months on my current diet(3k cals of fruits/veg a day) and i did very little exercise during that whole time.

You would lose weight alot faster if you actually ate fruits and vegetables... I went from 230 to 150 in about 2 months on my current diet(3k cals of fruits/veg a day) and i did very little exercise during that whole time.

that is great but fruit are too much sugar... just as well drink soda and get some caffeine...

last time I did this program I lost 65 pounds without exercising due to post op on shoulder, I'm pretty sure it works...

it is hard for alot of people to swallow because it goes against the whole starvation diet... "you must burn more calories than you eat"

and currently I'd eat more veggies but they are empty and after eating all that other crap the last thing I want to do is eat more...

too much sugar, comon? Your oatmeal and pasta have a higher glycemic index then most fruits, you shouldn't be afraid of unrefined sugar its your bodys main energy source :)

really?

fruits have no sugar? really?

well as per my nutritional program I have to be very weary of sugar.

since I have tried every to lose weight basically my whole life and the only thing that has reduced my body fat by 65 pounds was physique transformation

I only post this stuff to inform others, that there is another way.

I have pictures and weigh in records. I'll proof of its effectiveness.

No doubt it works for you, not denying that. You said yourself that this way of eating has become a chore too you, just letting you know it doesn't have to be like that. I never said fruit doesn't contain sugar... The diet your on is essentially what i followed except mine consisted of primarily fruit and i loved every second of it :)

oh yeah hemprider it is a chore...

and that helps to break the bad eating habits...

eating used to be pleasurable tacos, soda, chocolate basically what I wanted when I wanted ... but lo and behold look where they got me! 24% (current) body fat actually down from probably 35%

I can add 1 tomato (fruit) and blow my sugar out of the water...

I'm only doing this for one reason. to change my body composition. once it is done and i get cleared medicaly next spring I hope to be back in CO and riding everyday without taking my 50 pound fat kid with me everywhere ;)

sorry if I come off a lil harsh sometimes... it is hard to swim against the current :D

80 pounds in 2 months? Damn and here I thought 44 pounds in 14 weeks was good :P

80 pounds in 2 months? Damn and here I thought 44 pounds in 14 weeks was good :P

where did you see this? 35 lbs this summer in about 2 months...

last time I did this program it was 65 pounds in almost 4 months...

that would be awesome....

on this programs i usually lose 3-4 pounds per week...

because I have a very good metabolism... I must cause some the crap I used to eat I would be one of the 500 pounders...

Isin't funny listening to a bunch of clydes talk about food and dieting. I'm not a small guy by any means and have tried numerous diets over the years, and no matter what you say ratedzerohero what you are doing is a diet. I'm glad it works for you but if you've done this before and it worked for you then why are you doing it again? Problem with any diet is it always comes back on because who wants to put that much thought into it? Fruit has sugar, yes but it's way different than what is used in junk food, last time I checked an apple was not processed till it hit my stomach. I to have lost wieght and I'm living proof of just watch what you eat and enjoy something you like once in awhile. I began my journey 3 years ago at 305lbs I'm at 220 now have been for awhile but I've been a bad boy. I would rather just watch what I eat not worry about what I have to eat. Plus 80lbs off and staying off is more important than loosing it fast!

...and no matter what you say ratedzerohero what you are doing is a diet. no actually a diet is some reduction in food intake with the hope of losing food. this is a lifestyle change and a way healthier way of eating... notice my meal plan... how much processed food do you see? oh I could make it way more colorful but I don't want to bother with cooking any more than I already do, my whole day is already consumed with consuming food.


I'm glad it works for you but if you've done this before and it worked for you then why are you doing it again?I did it 7 years ago. I still drank alcohol still smoked and still made very bad choices in my life. Those 65 pounds I lost then have come and go many times but I only got back up 300 after surgery and not working this last 6 months.
Problem with any diet is it always comes back on because who wants to put that much thought into it? I do. I have made the decision in my life to change how I am. After being a smoker and alcoholic for 25 years I feel as if I have awaken from a dream and all of the sudden the shortfalls and lackadaisical choices I have made don't look or sound good to me anymore. I am willing to do whatever it takes to achieve my goals. After moving to CO last year and seeing all the cyclist I knew what I wanted to do. This forum has been a tool in that decision. THE BUCK STOPS HERE. This is where this isn't a diet. This program has a maintenace feature that is more normal eating, still no McDonalds, soda etc etc. What I am doing now is designed specifically to lose BODY FAT.
Fruit has sugar, yes but it's way different than what is used in junk food, last time I checked an apple was not processed till it hit my stomach.

This is true. But sugar is sugar. It is limited for me to control insulin levels so that my body can process and digest what it is getting.
I to have lost weight and I'm living proof of just watch what you eat and enjoy something you like once in awhile. I began my journey 3 years ago at 305lbs I'm at 220 now have been for awhile but I've been a bad boy. Im not going to be mean but that is not a lot of weight lost for the time period. That is .5 pounds per week average.
I would rather just watch what I eat not worry about what I have to eat. Seems like to me you should be a whole lot more careful about what you eat.
Plus 80lbs off and staying off is more important than loosing it fast!Stop cycling without changing your diet and tell me what happens! Had you told me you lost 180 pounds and kept it off for 3 years I would have been impressed. But like your opening statement said "Isn't funny listening to a bunch of clydes talk about food and dieting."

I've said it before. I am only offering a different opinion that is backed by facts. I was hoping to instill some hope in other people to try to change their diets and take control of what they put in their body.

Oh you can be mean I can take it, fact is I drank and smoked too, and yeah I've heard all that life style crap from every diet book there is like Eat Clean and South Beach. Diet is what we put in our bodies not a reduction in what we eat, that is a term that has been used to describe a way of loosing wieght by putting less food in. I got fat because my diet consited of too much carbs, to much fat, too much protien, too much everything! I took a good look at the elders in my family who happened to all be relatively fit looking, they may have not been healthy but they were skinny. They all ate normal everyday foods, stuff anyone can make or buy and taste good, they just didn't go for seconds or thirds, that is eating habits not dieting, like I said diet is what we eat not how much. Facts in a book don't always relate to reality hey I'm happy you like this programme or lifestyle and I really do hope you stick with it keep it off. And as for loosing only .5 pounds a week, hey who here would rather loose 50lbs in 3 months and then put it back on within two years and who would like to take off 85lbs over a 3 year period. I didn't get to 305lbs in a few months and I won't take it off in the same amount of time. I'm done with subject, if anyone else is like me and dosen't want to research how to change your lifestyle these are the words my doctor said to me when I asked the best way to lose wieght. His response, and yes it was a little cruel, put down the fork fatty. Rant Over carry on with our regularly scedualed programme, I went for a MTB ride today with some friends and had a blast!

where did you see this? 35 lbs this summer in about 2 months...

last time I did this program it was 65 pounds in almost 4 months...

that would be awesome....

on this programs i usually lose 3-4 pounds per week...

because I have a very good metabolism... I must cause some the crap I used to eat I would be one of the 500 pounders...

I was referring to a different post by hemprider where he said he went from 230 down to 150 in about 2 months.

I was referring to a different post by hemprider where he said he went from 230 down to 150 in about 2 months.

oh I thought you said I said...

that is amazing amount...

:D

RZH - thanks for posting that link. I'm just interested, because this isn't something I've ever heard of and it seems to go against most of the "diet" stuff you read or hear. I"m going to read the link you provided before I pass any of my non-expert judgement on it : )

kewl billy...

forgive my radical passion for this program :)

I get kinda carried away once in a while...

I went from 230 to 150 in about 2 months on my current diet(3k cals of fruits/veg a day)

I am confused hemprider... and not just picking on you...

these numbers dont match later numbers...

was it 330 -250 (80 lbs) or 230-150 (80lbs)???

Can I ask how much / type of exercise you pair with this program in the current stage.

none!

due to ongoing shoulder issues I haven't been able to do anything...

I have been doing some crunches on a exercise ball... and some very light shoulder things to keep it loose so it doesn't get tighter after my next surgery...

No walking or such? I think since I'm going to try this out after my weekly weigh in (doing sorta a biggest loser thing with some fellow clydes) and do some comparison. I appreciate your willingness to provide information and aide others in search of better lifestyle choices.

+1 for providing the link to that book, really excited to read more when I get time this weekend.

yeah I walk and such but we have had some crappy weather...

I know the program inside and out and constantly score in the 99-101% percentile...

any questions, just ask

@RatedZeroHero

I joined up, and am trying it out. I dropped from 350 to 295 over the course of about seven months, and have been on a plateau for something like six months. Only taking in around 1800-2000 calories a day (with occasional 'bad' days), hitting the elliptical machine hard 5 times a week, plus biking and hiking... and no change in my weight. Yeah, the body shape has changed some, but I just can't seem to kick-start the weight loss again.

I'm hoping this program will get me realigned and back on track. Thanks for sharing it.

kewl mongo...

hardest part of this is the learning curve... and you'll be putting in all this food you currently eat... and then you'll never put it in again because you shift away from it...

the key to it is the ANALYZE feature... there it shows in bar graphs all you nutrients and allows you to tweak your diet... remember it is based on percentages... so if protein goes up... it changes the ration of carbs or fats...

also Precision Fitness sells some insanely good liquid vitamins (these absorb quickly vs. being digested or pooped out before digestion) and some of the best protein powder you will find anywhere <<< this stuff is CLEAN and high protein no cholesterol no sodium no/very little sugar

be sure to take the $7.95 a month offer or it is twice that and they used to double your money back if you did the program and didn't lose the weight so what do you have to lose?

need help along the way... just holler

Eating almost 4k calories/day takes dedication.

i know most people have a cheat day. most peoples cheat days involve over eating or what ever. mine is under eating. i too know how hard it is to eat 260-280 grams of protein a day and not filling it with junk. with 6 meals a day, i feel like all i am doing is eating all day. now that it is cold up here, i'm really not riding all that much so i am doing mostly weight training. on the plus side i did my first 500 pound dead lift yesterday :D.

if i was not eating for recovery i am not sure i could convince myself to eat as much as i do now. as for diets, i hate the thought of them. all the restrictions really set you up for failure. Your daily nutrition is whats best to be changed. i have an idea but i don't know how many calories i am taking in, but part of better nutrition is all about making better choices.

I'd be scared to try that diet as everyone is very different. For me, stavation is all that seems to work. :-( . After starving for a month last year, i began reading about Atkins. Boy those steaks sounded good. I bought a grill, and started the plan. Over the course of a month the weight loss stopped, and I gained 5 pounds! I'm one of the few that the diet won't work for. What a waste of time and money! Im currently on a 700 cal a day diet. I've lost 37 pounds in 1.5 months. Yes it probally isn't heathy, but neither is dying at 45 due to weight. I'd rather be buried in a regular sized coffin.

I'd be scared to try that diet as everyone is very different. For me, stavation is all that seems to work. :-( . After starving for a month last year, i began reading about Atkins. Boy those steaks sounded good. I bought a grill, and started the plan. Over the course of a month the weight loss stopped, and I gained 5 pounds! I'm one of the few that the diet won't work for. What a waste of time and money! Im currently on a 700 cal a day diet. I've lost 37 pounds in 1.5 months. Yes it probally isn't heathy, but neither is dying at 45 due to weight. I'd rather be buried in a regular sized coffin.

You need to talk with a doctor, that is not good. 750 calories a day, how do you operate. There is no way I could ride, swim, workout and only ingest 750cal. I would fall over, I know I did it 1100 cal a day for 4 months lost a ton of weight then got uncontrolable shakes, my body was breaking down. Doctor gave me crap and said that's an even quicker way to the grave. I have no idea how many calories I take in now but am on a slow and steady decline to 200lbs.

I was referring to a different post by hemprider where he said he went from 230 down to 150 in about 2 months.

It was actually around 2 1/2-3 months, not too sure on the exact time line because i never actually weighed myself till all the weight had been long gone. Its pretty amazing tho huh? So many people try diet after diet and just continue to fail, yet i was able to eat 3-4k calories a day and lose nearly every single piece of body fat i have with almost no exercise! :roflmao2:

I attribute it all to fruit and my discovery that humans are frugivores. We aren't supposed to eat packaged foods, nuts, seeds, even some green vegetable(Most in the brassica family). It makes perfect sense if you really think about it, humans are the only animal that can't synthesize our own vitamin C, our closest primate relative is a frugivore, every one of our cells in our body runs off glucose, in the wild your arn't gonna eat a salad or an uncooked dead disgusting animal your gonna eat the fruit that looks appetizing and taste great.

Fruit cures every problem, the OP mentioned he had a insulin problem this would be completely fixed if he ate a high fruit diet, guaranteed, cancer? cured by fruit, Heart disease? cured by fruit, Obesity? Cured by fruit and the list just keeps going!!!

I'd be scared to try that diet as everyone is very different. For me, stavation is all that seems to work. :-( . After starving for a month last year, i began reading about Atkins. Boy those steaks sounded good. I bought a grill, and started the plan. Over the course of a month the weight loss stopped, and I gained 5 pounds! I'm one of the few that the diet won't work for. What a waste of time and money! Im currently on a 700 cal a day diet. I've lost 37 pounds in 1.5 months. Yes it probally isn't heathy, but neither is dying at 45 due to weight. I'd rather be buried in a regular sized coffin.

Read the post above this one, if you actually care about yourself and your family look up the 80/10/10 diet and start pumping yourself full of healthy organic produce

It was actually around 2 1/2-3 months, not too sure on the exact time line because i never actually weighed myself till all the weight had been long gone. Its pretty amazing tho huh? So many people try diet after diet and just continue to fail, yet i was able to eat 3-4k calories a day and lose nearly every single piece of body fat i have with almost no exercise! :roflmao2:

I attribute it all to fruit and my discovery that humans are frugivores. We aren't supposed to eat packaged foods, nuts, seeds, even some green vegetable(Most in the brassica family). It makes perfect sense if you really think about it, humans are the only animal that can't synthesize our own vitamin C, our closest primate relative is a frugivore, every one of our cells in our body runs off glucose, in the wild your arn't gonna eat a salad or an uncooked dead disgusting animal your gonna eat the fruit that looks appetizing and taste great.

Fruit cures every problem, the OP mentioned he had a insulin problem this would be completely fixed if he ate a high fruit diet, guaranteed, cancer? cured by fruit, Heart disease? cured by fruit, Obesity? Cured by fruit and the list just keeps going!!!

Congratulations on your weight loss HR :thumb:, you bring up some great points but I would like to point out that history, and more specifically human evolution, teaches a radically different lesson. For instance read up on **** Erectus and the changes in evolution that occurred after the taming of fire which allowed that "uncooked dead disgusting animal" to be turned into something much more useful. Read up on brain development that occurred during that time period. Our species would be radically different today than it would have been had meat not been available as a caloric source. Humans are Omnivores, open your mouth and look at the profile of your teeth. Take note of the pointed canine teeth.

I do like the idea of eating more fruit, if you don't mind would you post what you were eating and the quantities required to reach 4k a day?

Hey bautieri,

We can debate this all day but the reality is all our problems could be solved if everyone ate a fruit based diet. If you don't think that is possible or healthy, check out durianrider on youtube, he has been eating only fruit and some tender greens for 2 years and competes in ultra-marathons and bike competitions. He not only does good but wins competitions too.

As for what I eat to reach 4000 cals, it depends. 30 bananas a day is about 3000. I usually eat what is in season and keep the cals high with high calorie fruits like bananas and dates. Right now dates are in season(socal) and I eat anywhere from 1-2 lbs(1200-2400cals) a day, I eat watermelons, plums, tomatoes(low cal), strawberries, any fruit that I can get for cheap that is organic. It seems like a lot of fruit and it is, but that is how much you need to get sufficient calories. I've entered in my foods in to places like fitday.com before going 100% 811rv(80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein raw vegan) and was never able to get sufficient amounts of all my vitamins and minerals. But since eating all fruit as long as I eat enough calories I get all my vitamins and minerals. I recommend you get the book 80/10/10 by Dr. Doug Graham, it has all the info you need. If you want the best health possible don't write me off as an idiot.

Hey bautieri,

We can debate this all day but the reality is all our problems could be solved if everyone ate a fruit based diet. If you don't think that is possible or healthy, check out durianrider on youtube, he has been eating only fruit and some tender greens for 2 years and competes in ultra-marathons and bike competitions. He not only does good but wins competitions too.

As for what I eat to reach 4000 cals, it depends. 30 bananas a day is about 3000. I usually eat what is in season and keep the cals high with high calorie fruits like bananas and dates. Right now dates are in season(socal) and I eat anywhere from 1-2 lbs(1200-2400cals) a day, I eat watermelons, plums, tomatoes(low cal), strawberries, any fruit that I can get for cheap that is organic. It seems like a lot of fruit and it is, but that is how much you need to get sufficient calories. I've entered in my foods in to places like fitday.com before going 100% 811rv(80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein raw vegan) and was never able to get sufficient amounts of all my vitamins and minerals. But since eating all fruit as long as I eat enough calories I get all my vitamins and minerals. I recommend you get the book 80/10/10 by Dr. Doug Graham, it has all the info you need. If you want the best health possible don't write me off as an idiot.

Yes, we sure could debate all day but that would be a thread jack. Your point about Durianrider is moot as there are many more athletes that preform at and above his level with an omnivorous diet. That said, I still fail to see how eating fruit could solve all our problems, that is a very broad statement to make and one which I assume you made in jest. Then again, if eating more apples will keep my mother in law and the flat tire gnomes away then I am willing to give it a shot :lol:

Anyways; the intent was not to write you off as an idiot, merely to find out just what and how much to consume that amount of calories. I take it you get the "your an idiot" response a lot. Thanks for sharing a different point of view and what has worked for you.

Ride on

Bau

Here's a thought none of us are doctors but we all should now by now what works for our bodies. Like me if I go on any type of diet I just end up feeling unsatisfied and go on a eating binge. If I just stay the course and eat normal servings of whatever I loose weight, believe it or not i eat carbs but I choose when to eat them, I eat fat, fruit, veggies, dairy, meat whatever. Just so long as I enjoy what I eat I don't end up binge eating. Just keep in mind that yes I eat it all but when I say carbs it's rarely simple carbs but I will admit my love of Organic Mesa ceral and morning crisp, glutien free, with a banana and soy milk mmmmm. I always incorpirate some form of protien in every meal, this is just to help muscle rebuild as I do some form of exercise 6 days a week. Do what works for you but please talk to your doctor about any change in diet to get thier opinion, strangely enough most of them care about our health!