Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - help a brother out

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whitekimchee
10-13-09, 09:40 AM
Yesterday I upgraded to pair of Deep Vs and also replaced my rear cog. I was running a 48x16 and now I'm on 48x18. However, I did not change my chain and the new wheel and cog fit ok but something feels off when I ride. Is it just me getting used to the new gear ratio or should I opt for a slightly longer chain?
PedallingATX
10-13-09, 09:42 AM
your chain should work for that big of a step up. Especially if you were at the end of your dropouts w/ the 48 x 16. I personally run 48 x 17 and I think it's a good gear ratio. Plus it gives you 17 skid patches. Unless you installed the cog/lockring wrong, I donno what could "feel off".
destikon
10-13-09, 09:44 AM
It depends on how tight your chain is. Is the wheel buried in the forkends/drops? Do you have any room to move the wheel forward? If your chain is tight as hell it might feel a little off but if not than you just need to grow a pair. That or get a smaller cog to put you back where you were.
Make sure to re-tighten your lockring after you ride around for a while. You should only need to do this once.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 10:02 AM
I forgot to mention that before I went out for a ride my rear wheel was centered and and the lockrings were tight. However, when I came home I noticed that the wheel was completely misaligned. I attributed this to either me not tightening the lockring enough (i'm pretty damn sure I did) or that the chain was pulling the wheel forward on one side. I'm not sure if this makes sense. If it happens again tonight, Imma take a pic and post it.
Tighten them track nuts down hard. You probably just had a little slip.
kyselad
10-13-09, 10:46 AM
Loose lockring doesn't result in a misaligned wheel, as it holds the cog in place and not the axle. The chain is always pulling harder on the drive side, so if your wheel isn't secure, it will tend to slip out of alignment. Your axle nuts are probably loose, so check (and grease) them.
Definitely grease the threads on the track nights and crank down pretty good on them.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 11:10 AM
wait I'm putting grease on the axle nuts that hold the wheel in place? wouldn't that cause it to loosen?
I apologize for my ignorance
oh and I meant to say before that I had tightened up the axle nuts, not the lockring.The mechanic at my LBS took care of that.
hairnet
10-13-09, 11:12 AM
wait I'm putting grease on the axle nuts that hold the wheel in place? wouldn't that cause it to loosen?
I apologize for my ignorance
it prevents the nuts and axle from rusting/corroding and seizing up. You pretty much do it on all metal/metal contact points.
norskagent
10-13-09, 11:14 AM
they will hold the axle tight if you tighten them down enough, grease and all. Just don't overtighten and break an axle or something. The grease helps when it's time to loosen the nuts.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 11:24 AM
I'm guessing I should just put a bit of phil wood grease inside and not on the threading of the axle nut?
Retro Grouch
10-13-09, 11:33 AM
I don't know how worn your chain is but a worn chain on a new freewheel isn't always a good match.
PedallingATX
10-13-09, 11:34 AM
it doesn't matter. put it on the axle or on the inside of the axle nut. either way, it's gonna do the same thing. I would try not to get any on the actual dropouts, though.
I agree with what else has been said, you probably just didn't tighten down your axle nuts all the way. Crank down on them hard!
Also, you don't want your chain too tight. You should be able to move it up and down at least 1/2" but preferrably more.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 11:47 AM
I don't know how worn your chain is but a worn chain on a new freewheel isn't always a good matchyeah I've had my chain for about 6 months, should still be ok, It hasn't seen that heavy usage. Nonetheless, I ordered a new chain and will be swapping it for the old chain once i GET IT.
oh and thanks for all the help guys
Remember, grease on the threading of the nut helps you get the night MUCH TIGHTER than if you tried to tighten it "dry".
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 12:19 PM
really is that so? I really never knew that. I'm not being sarcastic. I learn something new everyday on this forum.
It sure is. As you tighten the bolt, the friction on the threads increases, which prevents you from tightening it any further.
The grease helps fight that friction, so you can continue tightening the bolt.
The same is true of your cog and anything else that is threaded.
Scrotze
10-13-09, 01:25 PM
Also, you don't want your chain too tight. You should be able to move it up and down at least 1/2" but preferrably more.
Half an inch? Really?
roastbeef
10-13-09, 01:34 PM
after six months of riding, your chain probably has worn into the old cog. i would say go ahead and replace the chain to avoid abnormal wear on the new cog.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 01:47 PM
The grease helps fight that friction, so you can continue tightening the bolt
yeah but then don't u run the risk of stripping the nut?
Scrotze
10-13-09, 01:49 PM
yeah but then don't u run the risk of stripping the nut?
I'd argue that you are more likely to do so if you don't grease the threads.
ilikebikes
10-13-09, 02:04 PM
Tighten them track nuts down hard. You probably just had a little slip.
do not over tighten the nut as you can strip it if you over tighten it, tighten it down till it stops then give it another 1/4 turn and thats it, but before you do that add one of these. :thumb:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/stumpyspic/gacksurlytugnut-010.jpg
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 02:18 PM
chain tensioner eh? what exactly do they and do they work?
Don't crank down toooooo too much on the axle nuts. I did that once and assploded the spacers in between the nut/frame.
ilikebikes
10-13-09, 02:38 PM
chain tensioner eh? what exactly do they and do they work?
for one it keeps the chain from pulling the wheel towards you when your hammering on the pedals, and yes, they work great.
a chain tensioner keeps the axle from slipping forward when you're riding. I.E. your chain won't get slack if your nuts aren't cranked down tight enough. i don't use one, because i blow my ****ing tire out every two seconds, forcing me to retension my wheel anyway. but i think they're a worthy investment for anyone else.
whitekimchee
10-13-09, 03:16 PM
Do I just need one for the side with the chain?
if my tiny bit of physics knowledge serves me correctly, yes.
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