Classic & Vintage - Frame IDing

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CamelDane
10-15-09, 04:45 PM
pick this up today, looks like the orignal color was a nice pink that i am going to restore
serial number is : 0G75282
It also has a M where the downtube lug is.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Eskimoboy22/004-1.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Eskimoboy22/006-2.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Eskimoboy22/005-2.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Eskimoboy22/008.jpg
more pictures if needed.
Bianchigirll
10-15-09, 05:23 PM
I may be wrong but that looks like a Moser M to me. what kind of dropouts?
Hard to tell as is... (even with the "M")
If you can figure out what thread the frame has, that would be a huge help. Also, tube size and total weight will help things way more :)
Based on things like the location of the shifters, the fact that there are holes for 2 watercages drilled, plus that hexagonal nut, it is very unlikely that this thing started life as an italian bike. I would guess French, American or Japanese from '75 to early '90s. The lugs/headset look a tad generic, so I would suspect that it is not a terribly high end bike. If it weighs a ton, "M" could stand for "Murray"
Old Fat Guy
10-15-09, 05:47 PM
I may be wrong but that looks like a Moser M to me. what kind of dropouts?
Agreed, but with fender eyelets and no pantographed seat stay caps, doubtful.
Bottom bracket width and threading?
Nice frame. Looks Italian...
unworthy1
10-15-09, 11:06 PM
it's an odd duck: the cast-in "m" on that lug as well as the seat lug sure indicates something with IC lugs...yet it's got top-of-BB cable guide, and those DO eyelets...
was there a fork? any sign of rifling in the tubing at the BB shell? and as always: BB threading?
CamelDane
10-15-09, 11:41 PM
there was not fork unfortunatly, and not sure what the threading is right now :/
I will get the picture of the dropouts soon
Didn't Miyata have lugs similar to that in the mid-1980s? The serial number would certainly fit and make it a 1986 model. The fttings, in combination with the lack of chrome, should make it a 912, though it would have to be a repaint. Check inside the bottom bracket for six, helical ridges on the inside of the tubes. That would confirm a Miyata 912 tubeset, as opposed to Columbus, who used five, helical ridges.
Old Fat Guy
10-16-09, 08:19 AM
I just looked at the 1982 catalog, which shows the lugs, and it is a different 'M'
http://www.miyatacatalogs.com/
No clear pictures of other years. Maybe someone has one?
CamelDane
10-16-09, 11:19 AM
I've found no helical ridges.
On the bottom of the BB pointing toward the fron of the bike has the numbers 6 8.
Also found it saying Shimano on the cable guides on tope of the bb.
As for the dropouts I can see a faint writing but cant make it out because of the paint, once I start taking it off I can read.
pictures soon as my camera batteries charge
Old Fat Guy
10-16-09, 11:26 AM
Measure the width of the BB./ If 70mm, Italian, 68mm, English/American/Japanese, most likely
CamelDane
10-16-09, 11:34 AM
Just measured it and its 68mm, I was looking at Miyata 912 lugs and they were different.
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