Foo - Anthropology nerds, halp!

I have to write this insane essay comparing two scholarly peer-reviewed articles for my Physical Anthropology class, it's due on the 29th :P.

Anyway, my topic is on whether or not Neanderthals interbred with us, specifically, mtDNA evidence (or lack thereof.) I'm trying to learn what I can about the subject, but I've kind of hit a wall. :cry: I've been to wikipedia/google etc, not a lot of help there.

Halp?

Send me a pic of that cute German girl and I'll halp!

Couch

She's in my English class, not my Anthropology class...and don't change the subject. :P

http://scienceinsociety.northwestern.edu/content/articles/2009/medill-reports/evolution/dna-analysis-intensifies-evolution-debate

Now, this one, you'll need to go through your University system and use their subscribers service for, since that subscription cost is in your tuition:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/550m0481300p1220/

Look at searches for Neanderthal and replacement theory vs hybridization theory.

Have you read about the Mladeč bones? Unfortunately I'm not sure there's enough evidence there to say either way, either.

I don't remember hearing about that, Lamp, no, I decided not to go the morphology (?) route as it didn't seem there was consensus on that among scientists regarded Lahar*sp*child. Tattersal was like "no freaking way!" some other guy (I forgot his name) insisted the bones are from a hybrid.

Thanks, Tom.

pcad is all the proof I need of interbreeding.

pcad is all the proof I need of interbreeding.

BURN! :lol:

I remember seeing a documentary on the theory but I can't recall the network, probably Discovery. They had really cool recreations.

Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/6430494/Modern-man-had-sex-with-Neanderthals.html#

nice pic if anything.
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/814
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/08/neanderthal-dna-shows-they-rarely-interbred-with-us-very-different-humans/
and this, http://forensic-anthropology.suite101.com/article.cfm/did_neanderthals_interbreed_with_homosapiens which I thought may be at least a little helpful.

Try this: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

I am retaking a Cultural Anthropology course (had to ask for an Admin Withdrawal last semester).

Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.

Trinkaus is the guy I was trying to think of, I watched a video in the library, I think it was a Nova one "Neanderthals on Trial" wow, what an eye opener.

If my brain is working properly, having similar DNA is not always indicative of what you might think. I think we have more DNA in common with Chimps than Neanderthals, but all that indicates is the time in which our ancestors diverged, not that chimps are a subspecies of us, they are morphologically (or is it phenotypically?!) very different for us.

Personally, I'm on the fence whether there was wide scale hybridization with Neanderthals, I can't even decide if the Out of Africa hypothesis is correct, or the multiregional model is the correct one.

I've gone to see my instructor *twice* about this project.

Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.

humans share less than w/ Ns than w/ chimpanzees?

http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/04/2.12.04/human_chimp_DNA.html


mtDNA is only maternally inherited so cannot by itself provide evidence of hybridization. Human or Neandertal mtDNA combined w/ nuclear DNA unique to the other would illustrate hybridization.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=human+neandertal+hybridization&btnG=Search&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

I think so...I am still a n0ob so I get mixed up. I remember people think we're closely related to chimps because of the DNA so some scientist guy wanted to rename them as a subspecies of us, which is just silly. Man, I really need to dig out my notes.

Personally, I'm on the fence whether there was wide scale hybridization with Neanderthals, I can't even decide if the Out of Africa hypothesis is correct, or the multiregional model is the correct one.

Looking at DNA results will help w/ that too.

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.genom.9.081307.164258

You guys are awesome! It's gonna take me hours to read/print off etc all this stuff! Foo to the rescue. :D

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01456/neanderthal_1456127c.jpg

FWIW, all modern humans alive today are descended from the African Diasporae

Can you define "diasporae" for me please? I forget what it means.

You mean, going back farther than **** erectus? There seems to be a disagreement over whether **** sapiens came directly from Africa or evolved from **** Erectus in the "hearth" areas. My instructor said the fossil evidence doesn't support the recent out of africa hypothesis? I think my head is going to explode!

FWIW, all modern humans alive today are descended from the African Diasporae

Yeah, but what about the zombies??

Can you define "diasporae" for me please? I forget what it means.

You mean, going back farther than **** erectus? There seems to be a disagreement over whether **** sapiens came directly from Africa or evolved from **** Erectus in the "hearth" areas. My instructor said the fossil evidence doesn't support the recent out of africa hypothesis? I think my head is going to explode!

Diaspora is a scattering or mass migration outward, and the end with e signifies plurality.

The major problem with the fossil record support or lack of, is that often, we aren't sure whether it's a parallel invention or spread through diffusion. Look at the current debate as to whether the Clovis and Folsom people and the similarity to the design of Solutrian Stone points from Europe.

By the way, are you going to cite the discussion in this thread? :p

Seriously? I am actually not sure exactly WHAT I am supposed to cite and what I'm NOT supposed to cite. I don't think I have to cite every little thing I've read/seen, but anything I quote from or ???. It is a very confusing assignment. I've been crapping bricks about it for awhile, and I aint the only one. We're supposed to write it as "Junior Scholars."

Copypasta:

ASSIGNMENT

Choose 2 or 3 articles on a given subject for comparison. Describe the hypothesis of each author, and how the thesis is supported. What data are presented, and are they methodologically rigorous? What inferences does each author draw from the material presented, and are the conclusions warranted? If your articles are from reputable journals, and are clearly written for professionals, you need only compare 2 articles. Minimum number of pages to be compared is 20.
Your assignment should be 4-6 pages long, typed, and double-spaced, with a title page and cited references. Please come and see me at any time to verify that your choice of articles is appropriate, or to ask for my help in searching for good references.

You have a Strunck and White Style Book for Citing? If not, here's some help for you.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/

Likely, you will be using AA format on your citing. You can also use http://citationmachine.net/ to set up yor end citing, etc.

How long have you had this assignment, anyway, if it's due the 29th?

Also, don't fall into the trap of buying an essay online, they are all in various academic databases already, and when the first paragraph or so is searched, up they pop, or you use safe submit for ESubmitting the paper, and they check it.

That looks pretty cut and dried but I suppose looking at it as a whole could be overwhelming. Just break it down into digestable bits. Once you get started it will fall together.

You have a Strunck and White Style Book for Citing? If not, here's some help for you.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/

Likely, you will be using AA format on your citing. You can also use http://citationmachine.net/ to set up yor end citing, etc.

How long have you had this assignment, anyway, if it's due the 29th?

Also, don't fall into the trap of buying an essay online, they are all in various academic databases already, and when the first paragraph or so is searched, up they pop, or you use safe submit for ESubmitting the paper, and they check it.

I know it's NOT the English style of citing/bibiolography. I don't have that book, no. We've had it for quite a long time, BUT our instructor was out nearly a week with H1N1 which screwed up everything. I've spent hours and HOURS getting the right articles (several were shot down by the instructor) I've been trying to research the topic so I *understand* it, ergo so I can understand the articles I have. The articles I have are:

Mitochondrial DNA Sequences in ancient Australians: Implications for modern human origins" by Adcock et al, and:
"No Evidence of Neaderthal mtDNA Contribution to Early Modern Humans" by Serre/Paabo and some other people. :D

I wouldn't DREAM of cheating, I don't roll like that. Incidentally, she once said she "doesn't expect miracles" from this assignment, I feel as if she's kind of contradicting herself. It seems to me to be a real hairy assignment for a bunch of n0obs. I'm a wet-behind-the-ears first year.

Looks like your sourcing is good. If you want, I'll review your paper for you. email it to me at tom(at)bikeforums(dot)net.

I'd suggest APA format, as that is the accepted format for scientific papers, rather than MLA or Turabian/Chicago Method. Use the Son of Cite Machine link I gacve you to help out, and don't forget your intext citings when you use other authors ideas for crediting them properly (Stormcrowe, et al, 2009). <<<<<(Example here)

Thanks, Tom. I thought about PMing you about this, but with your wife being sick I didn't think it would be kosher. Once I get something down on paper I'll email it to you. Bear in mind, she knows we're n0obs so it's not going to be a research essay on the level of one *you* would do. I just don't want to do it totally WRONG.

I started the draftiest of drafts of this freaking thing. I desperately want to write about my opinions, the lack of consensus and you know, speak. I have no idea if that's appropriate for this assignment, I'm practically BURSTING with the urge to write about the whole thing, if I could write it without having to analyze the articles, it would have been done a week ago. :(

I have to write this insane essay comparing two scholarly peer-reviewed articles for my Physical Anthropology class, it's due on the 29th :P.

Anyway, my topic is on whether or not Neanderthals interbred with us, specifically, mtDNA evidence (or lack thereof.) I'm trying to learn what I can about the subject, but I've kind of hit a wall. :cry: I've been to wikipedia/google etc, not a lot of help there.

Halp?

Since you said this is "your" topic, why pick something so difficult to research? I just recently completed my Anthropology class with my usual "A" (Keeps me on the Deans List). I did my final research paper on the two groups of Puerto Ricans, those from the island and those born and raised in NYC. This kept my research to a minimum (comparatively speaking). We have ProQuest as our student "peer-reviewed" online library. Your student resources should grant you access to an infinite online library.

And some-what what Tom said. Using APA is great if your school wants APA. If not there should be a guidebook to your schools writing resources and citations. You do have a Student Guidebook to Resources and Citation don't you?

Usually your prof will specify which style they want in the first class or on the syllabus. Might be AA (American Anthropology).

It's awesome that so many people are willing to do your research for you.

Send me a pic of that cute German girl and I'll halp!

Couch

The Neanderthal one? :p

It's awesome that so many people are willing to do your research for you.

I wouldn't say they're doing it *for* me, just helping me out a little, eh? I found the articles I needed for the assignment awhile back, I just need some "meat" for the essay.

I made a little progress on the beast today, I really made a mistake choosing this topic, doh! Oh well, I'll give it my best shot and hope I get a reasonable mark on it.

Since you said this is "your" topic, why pick something so difficult to research? I just recently completed my Anthropology class with my usual "A" (Keeps me on the Deans List). I did my final research paper on the two groups of Puerto Ricans, those from the island and those born and raised in NYC. This kept my research to a minimum (comparatively speaking). We have ProQuest as our student "peer-reviewed" online library. Your student resources should grant you access to an infinite online library.

Because, apparently, I'm an idiot. :D

Since you said this is "your" topic, why pick something so difficult to research?

Bingo. When I started having to write scientific papers in my first semester of college I picked an easy subject that I could find a lot of information for. I was intimidated by the structure and style of the paper already so I made at least one part easy. For a Tropical Biology class I had I wrote a paper about mangroves. There is lots of info out there on that subject! It was boring but spot on for a scientific paper; I got an A.

I think some guy named Wolpoff worked on Neanderthal studies.

I have to write this insane essay comparing two scholarly peer-reviewed articles for my Physical Anthropology class, it's due on the 29th :P.

Anyway, my topic is on whether or not Neanderthals interbred with us, specifically, mtDNA evidence (or lack thereof.) I'm trying to learn what I can about the subject, but I've kind of hit a wall. :cry: I've been to wikipedia/google etc, not a lot of help there.

Halp?

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Seems to me there are a lot of people around who look like Neanderthals. Seriously. Maybe she'd be impressed with some original research. Go to the mall and take a lot of snapshots.

*psst* dan *psst* this is an ancient thread, bumped merely for trolling purposes. I have long since completed the assignment and handed it in. I got a B on the assignment. Thank you so much for your help everyone. :)

Although, dan, you're not far off the mark. Many people have a Neanderthal characteristic, such as a more pronounced brow ridge. Terribly curious really.

I don'tnow if this will help you a bit but here it goes.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1007/waxmanImage2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937472/posts&usg=__lugg0kI-k3PAqP5PoCmkWL3foQM=&h=348&w=324&sz=25&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=MKOUQ6Sxt5-2zM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dneanderthals%2Bhuman%2Bhybrid%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

*psst* dan *psst* this is an ancient thread, bumped merely for trolling purposes. I have long since completed the assignment and handed it in. I got a B on the assignment. Thank you so much for your help everyone. :)

Although, dan, you're not far off the mark. Many people have a Neanderthal characteristic, such as a more pronounced brow ridge. Terribly curious really.

I was thinking of a lawyer friend. He's very bright, but something about that forehead.

I have to write this insane essay comparing two scholarly peer-reviewed articles for my Physical Anthropology class, it's due on the 29th :P.

Anyway, my topic is on whether or not Neanderthals interbred with us, specifically, mtDNA evidence (or lack thereof.) I'm trying to learn what I can about the subject, but I've kind of hit a wall. :cry: I've been to wikipedia/google etc, not a lot of help there.

Halp?

My wife married me, do you need pictures for that quote? Who is the "US" ur talkin about?

My wife married me, do you need pictures for that quote? Who is the "US" ur talkin about?

**** sapiens.

I thought the overwhelming consensus was that they could not interbreed with Cro Magnons?





(prays for Creationist to show up)

I thought the overwhelming consensus was that they could not interbreed with Cro Magnons?

Hey, it didn't stop us from tryin' !