Classic & Vintage - Looking for Colnago Super Information - Dating
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I'm looking for information to Date a Colnago Super - looks to be early seventies. Does anyone know a good resource for info on Colnago Supers? What is the history of this frame?
The bike is reposted from ebay here:
Early 70's, based on what appears to be an original parts group. A stunner, is it yours now?
Check the Classic Rendezvous archives for details about nailing down a particular year for a super. You are in better shape than '80's vintage bikes, as their details are often contradictory.
Looks like a '73-'74 based on the frame details. Rough shape, but one of the good ones.
10-29-09, 03:14 AM
It's a 1972 Colnago Super, only braze-on is the water bottle bosses on the down tube and it's a beautiful blue that Pogliaghis also had. In 1973, they brazed on the downtube shifters and rear cable guides and changed the decals ("Colnago" decal on the seat tube with decal of the Hour Record in 1972 in Mexico within diagonal world champion stripes). In 1971, there was a clover cut out also on the top of the headtube lug. I once owned 1972 & 1973 Supers and a friend had an orange 1971 Super. The most important things on your Super is the fork crown, electric blue paint, headtube decal without the world champion stripes, and the wreath decal on the seat tube.
they tell me that the Mexico Decals never came on this bike - do you have any photos or info that show Colnago used these in 1972? Even a Photo of a non destoyed decal would be nice. I niether of mine are complete...
Pics are there- having trouble getting consensus on the 1972 thing. Two holes in the fork tangs and the right set of braze ons should tell us right? but then there are the Mexico Decals which I can't find anywhere - even a refence to them...
Thanks for the help
you know there was something about that rear derailleur that kept bugging me, then it hit me,
it's on backwards. . .
anyhow I wouldn't be too worried about the mexico decals, remember those could always have
been added later. I'd concentrate on the frame details as detailed above and on CR list.
yeah - that was just in the ebay photos - it was on straigh twhen it arrived - the seller had the lbs pack and ship it - they did actually a fantastic job...
The thing that bugs me is - the bike looks like it was more or less original - with some parts swapped out - simplex binder bolt, normandy hubs with simplex skewers on rigida steel rims. the Stem and bars were not ambrosio or cinelli as far as I can tell - though I don't know that much about ambrosio around the time they became 3TTT. The paint is bad. The clovers were clearly painted in by hand by someone that didn't know what they were doing. Why would anyone replace the Mexico Record decals? you'd think that they were just there, and that they became worn down over the years...or they would be the word champion bands that were much more common.
The paint is bad. The clovers were clearly painted in by hand by someone that didn't know what they were doing. .
Sounds like typical Italian paint . . .
As I said, I would go by the frame details (cutouts, holes in fork tangs etc.) to date it.
btw. what is the date on the rear derailleur (glad its on correctly now)?
Derailluer has 1973 stamped on it. the problem with components is that only god know what happened in the last 40 years...so could be original, but who knows- the Phil Wood bottom bracket is interesting - didn't know anyone used those back then - at least for these bikes - I'll have to really look into the dating on that. the bike was clearly unused for a looooooong time. must have been rotting in a barn. The Brooks Pro saddle is hard like cardboard, but thankfully noone tried to use it - so once the fibers have been properly lubed, it should come back well...
I found a Phil BB in a 1973 Paramount, installed by the original owner (a person that I know personally). I think that it may have been the first year of manufacture. The clover is in both head lugs? That indicates early 70's. The clover (or not) cutout in the bottom bracket is another indicator. Earlier bikes have a pointed bottom end in the clover, earliest bikes have no clover at all, but slots.
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