Road Cycling - Opinions on my next bike please

Hi there. I’m in the market for a new bike, and I just discovered this forum. I would like to get your opinions on the bikes I am considering buying.

First, some background. I’m a 41 yr old male, 6’1”, 200 lbs. I’m a recreational rider. 2-3 times a week, 40-80 miles a week. 2 or 3 times a year I get together with other guys and do a century tour. I don’t race at all. I’m currently riding an 18 year old Trek 400s, which is in need of some major upgrades. I am the last holdout on my old bike among my buddies. They all have hot new bikes, and I am tired of chasing them. I am riding the Seagull Century in October, and would like to get this bike in the next few weeks, so I have time to break it in before then.

My budget is $2000, out the door, including Shimano Ultegra pedals and shoes.

In my search I have test ridden the following bikes : Giant OCR 1, Giant TCR Composite 2, Klein aura xv, Litespeed Firenze, Specialized Roubaix Elite, Specialized Allez Elite, Trek 2300, Trek 5000, LeMond Zurich, Cannondale 1000, and a couple others.

I have narrowed down my search to the following 3 bikes. This is based on my test rides, word of mouth, reviews, and what’s available in my area in my size.
They are:

- KLEIN AURA XV: Pluses - good ride, quick, nice wheelset (Bontrager Racelite xlite), Very good local bike shop including Serotta Cycle Fit. Mostly Ultegra (BB and cassette 105)
Minuses - have read some mediocre reviews, tought seat
Price - $2100 including pedals, shoes, and Cycle Fit analysis.

- SPECIALIZED ROUBAIX ELITE: Pluses – Very smooth ride, felt very comfortable, nice seat, full Ultegra, cheapest price.
Minuses – Felt a little “springy” when I really stood on the pedals (up a hill, or hard acceleration), Impersonal corporate bikestore (only Specialized dealer in 50 miles)
Price - $1850 including pedals and shoes

- TREK 5000: Pluses – Full carbon frame, nice ride, good local bike shop with good support, great reviews
Minuses – not full Ultegra, mediocre wheelset, would want to upgrade someday.
Price - $2100 including pedals and shoes.

There you have it. I know a lot of people will say…go for the carbon frame you can upgrade later. I’m not sure if that really fits my personality i.e. I don’t know if I’d ever get around to it, or feel it was worth it. But I’m willing to listen to arguments that way.

Any and all comments or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot. Phredd

I'm sorry I can't really help you narrow down your choice any further but I would like to offer some advice. Bear in mind that something like a chain or cassette will have to be replaced as they are essentially consumables. I usually replace my chain every 3,000 to 4,000 miles and my cassettes after every four chain replacements (somewhere around 15,000 miles) so having a 105 cassette on there vs an Ultegra right now is no big deal since it will need to be replaced anyways and you can spring for an Ultegra next time around. Also having a 105 (or even Tiagra) front derailleur vs Ultegra (or even Dura-ace) is going to be hardly noticable. They will essentially all feel the same. The only difference really is in weight and to some extent durability. However, the FD doesn't get worked or stressed as much as other parts and a 105 FD will probably last as long as the rest of an otherwise Ultegra drivetrain. The 105 brakes will stop just as good as Ultegra but will be slightly heavier. really, 105 is Shimano's sweet-spot. Anything up from there improves a little on durability and gets lighter but the actual performance gains for the average cyclist will be negligable. If you're really concerned about it, ask the bikeshop how much it would be to upgrade or swap a specific component at the time of purchase. The three choices you have are all very nice rides. Get the bike that you think is the most comfortable because the components will all serve you well.

I would go Ti or steel. Might be a bit of a squeeze price-wise, but worth it I think. I got into my Litespeed Tuscany for just over $2,100 (bought a 2003 in Dec. 2003 so it was essentially a left-over .. bought on eBay from a bike shop). You can't beat steel or Ti for comfort and durability.

Just my 2 ¢

I have no idea about bike prices where you are, but I am not comfortable with the value you are getting for your dollar. A friend of mine paid $1700 a few months ago for a Cannondale R1000, and I thought she could have done better with the Giant OCR 2 (?) for $1000. I have not been in the market for a few years.

I would rule out the Specialized. It sounds like it is not stiff enough for your size and strength. The smooth ride and "springy" suggest it's not strong enough. I am a skinny little weenie of 6'2 and 190 lbs or so.

I would recommend Shimano wheels, the kind that have the spokes that hook into the side of the rim with the nipples at the hub, 105 or Ultegra, a stiff large-diameter tube frame, and perhaps a triple crankset for your age and fitness level, depending on the terrain in which you live. Two of my 240 lb friends claim they are seeing extraordinary durability and no truing with Shimano 540 wheels.

I find the newer Cannondale framesets with the Slice CF fork, to be very nice.

I've never ridden any of the bikes that you mention, but a couple comments. You said that the saddle on the Klein is less then desirable; a good LBS should be willing to swap some components out, especially the contact points (handlebars, stem, saddle, etc.).

Based off of what you said, I'd have a hard time arguing against the Klein, if only because the LBS seems to have the best fitting program. $2,000 is going to get you a very nice bike, but if it doesn't fit you it's going to feel like crap. Fit first. Everything else pales in comparison.

As others have said, don't get too hung up on componentry. The difference between 105 and Ultegra components is "not much". I've got about 25,000 miles on Ultegra equipment and all I've replaced is the chain, cassette and chainrings. Everything else is still going strong.

Enjoy the Seagull Century. That is one flat ride !

i don't like the Klein or the Specialized ideas for the simple reason that for 2 large you oughta be able to do something better than a mixed material bike with a compact frame. i also don't really like compact frame geometry for no good reason - in particular on taller guys.

so of the three, i'd favor the Trek 5000. as long as it fits you it'd probably be the gentlest with that great frame. and as somebody on this board is fond of saying: after a bit of time has passed you won't really be thinking about the relatively small differences in price, so don't make your decision based on a few hundred bucks savings.

another bike to consider is the Giant TCR Comp, which is full carbon and ultegra (compact frame) for like $1850-$2000.

this is a great option if you really wanna save money:
http://www.supergo.com/profile.cfm?LPROD_ID=25375&lsubcat_id=7618&lcat_id=7604&referpage=

I'd definitely check out the Serotta Fierte. You should be able to do it for your budget. I've ridden those three and of that group I'd take the 5000 and then the Klein.

My local dealer has the Trek 5000 on sale for $1499.00 and the Trek 5500 on sale for $1799.00. This for the ones in stock which are both 56cm frames. I agree with khoun (as usual) about the components. I'd say look around. There are sales that will give you some wiggle room on pricing. The most important thing is to get a good fit from an LBS that you like and trust.

Good luck!

Bob

Go with the Litespeed Firenze or Trek 5000.

The Trek 5500 for 1799.00 sounds like a steal. I would go with that one.

Thank you all for your input. I am a horribly slow typist, and don't get on my computer too often, so I have been waiting to respond to you all.

(SDS) I think I have ruled out the Specialized based on the ride characteristics. Others have agreed it is too soft for me.

I am still learning a lot about these machines. Today I rode a Bianchi Virata, steel and carbon frame. It was very nice, full Ultegra, Mavic Kysirium wheels. $2200 including pedals and shoes.

(SDS) - As for prices in this area (Central Ohio), all the prices I have quoted include Shimano Ultegra pedals and mid level shoes. Depending on the shop, the pedals have cost anywhere from $72 to $129. I'm figuring $100 for shoes. So roughly $200 for both. Therefore - Klein bike alone is $1900, the Trek 5000 $1900, and the Bianchi, right at $2000. Sounds like Montana is the place to be to buy a bike! (N7CZin MT)

One other point I forgot to mention in my search. Barring a disaster, I am planning on this being the last bike I ever purchase. With that in mind, some people have told me not to go with the Trek because of the questionable durability of Carbon frames. Any comments on this? Also, is it a weakness over the life of a bike to have a carbon rear stay combined on some other material? The Klein is aluminum with carbon rear stay, and the Bianchi is steel with carbon rear stay.

The comments about the components and not worrying too much about 105 vs. Ultegra make sense to me. What about wheelsets? Is it worth it to spring for better wheels now, or wait 5 years and upgrade?

(Markedoc) I am trying to find a dealer who has an entry level Litespeed Ti bike in my size (58cm) in this area. The one I rode was a little small.

Thanks again for all the input. I liked the Bianchi, but I am currently leaning toward the Klein. It just felt great, and I really like the shop. I really want to ride another Ti bike in the proper size. Tomorrow I will be calling every Litespeed dealer in OH. Hopefully I'll find one.

Thanks again. Please keep the comments coming.

Phredd

Hi there. I’m in the market for a new bike, and I just discovered this forum. I would like to get your opinions on the bikes I am considering buying.

First, some background. I’m a 41 yr old male, 6’1”, 200 lbs. I’m a recreational rider. 2-3 times a week, 40-80 miles a week. 2 or 3 times a year I get together with other guys and do a century tour. I don’t race at all. I’m currently riding an 18 year old Trek 400s, which is in need of some major upgrades. I am the last holdout on my old bike among my buddies. They all have hot new bikes, and I am tired of chasing them. I am riding the Seagull Century in October, and would like to get this bike in the next few weeks, so I have time to break it in before then.

My budget is $2000, out the door, including Shimano Ultegra pedals and shoes.

In my search I have test ridden the following bikes : Giant OCR 1, Giant TCR Composite 2, Klein aura xv, Litespeed Firenze, Specialized Roubaix Elite, Specialized Allez Elite, Trek 2300, Trek 5000, LeMond Zurich, Cannondale 1000, and a couple others.

I have narrowed down my search to the following 3 bikes. This is based on my test rides, word of mouth, reviews, and what’s available in my area in my size.
They are:

- KLEIN AURA XV: Pluses - good ride, quick, nice wheelset (Bontrager Racelite xlite), Very good local bike shop including Serotta Cycle Fit. Mostly Ultegra (BB and cassette 105)
Minuses - have read some mediocre reviews, tought seat
Price - $2100 including pedals, shoes, and Cycle Fit analysis.

- SPECIALIZED ROUBAIX ELITE: Pluses – Very smooth ride, felt very comfortable, nice seat, full Ultegra, cheapest price.
Minuses – Felt a little “springy” when I really stood on the pedals (up a hill, or hard acceleration), Impersonal corporate bikestore (only Specialized dealer in 50 miles)
Price - $1850 including pedals and shoes

- TREK 5000: Pluses – Full carbon frame, nice ride, good local bike shop with good support, great reviews
Minuses – not full Ultegra, mediocre wheelset, would want to upgrade someday.
Price - $2100 including pedals and shoes.

There you have it. I know a lot of people will say…go for the carbon frame you can upgrade later. I’m not sure if that really fits my personality i.e. I don’t know if I’d ever get around to it, or feel it was worth it. But I’m willing to listen to arguments that way.

Any and all comments or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot. Phredd
phredd, I just picked up a Trek 5000 last month. I have no regrets . nice smooth ride and very responsive. I test rode the 5000, a 2300, and a lemonde. I 'm not a racer but I do like to ride long distances. When all the test riding was done my butt told me the 5000 it does soak up a lot of vibration.

I had the LBS make one upgrade I had them upgrade tje front derailer to Ultegra from 105. Like I said I'm not a racer so the slightly heavier rims and the 700x25 tires were not an issue.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

Something else to add in there - Negotiate! I know it is not comfortable, but if you find the bike you like, you can ask the shop to throw something in for you. Never had them turn me down on small price reduction or an accessory discount, especially during this point of the season. (late sept.)

Klein Q Carbon Race here. Love it. Compact frame. Love it. I am 5-9, 200lbs and I am able to pound out sprints or do 40+ mile rides. Great all around bike. I am tempted by the carbon Treks as the prices come down, but I am afraid to give up the stiffness of my alum for sprints. I probably would love Ti, but those prices are obscene. By the way, my bike has the ultegra/105 mix and I am not pleased at all with the 105 front derailer. I would upgrade the drivetrain components and leave the 105 for the brakes.

I agree about components and the money. It's like when you buy a computer. It is cheaper overall to spend the money on the things you want up front rather than upgrading.

I've had my Trek 5200 since 1996. Although I am quite small (5'6" 138lbs) I ride a lot - approximately 200 miles per week currently. I've ridden three centuries just this month and I have nearly 40,000 miles on this bike. I have raced this bike in triathlons, criteriums, and road races. I recently upgraded all the components to Dura-Ace (best $1000 I've spent recently) and the frame is still in great shape. Of course it's got scratches, etc... but structurally it still feels great. I have many friends who have ridden all-carbon frames for years without problems. Barring any disasters (ie: very serious crashes that would trash any bike) these frames will last. In the early nineties/late eighties when manufacturers were experimenting with carbon there were problems - nowadays these frames are highly durable. For the ultimate in durability Ti is the only way to go I suppose but a nice, stiff, comfortable Ti frame will cost you. I personally don't like the half-Ti/steel/aluminum and half carbon frames. To me, the ones I've ridden just don't feel as stiff as frames made of all one material. Again, these are just my experiences. I personally prefer to avoid aluminum, due to the fact that eventually an ultra-light and stiff aluminum frame racing bike will fail at one of the joints - again this comes from experience of people I ride with on a daily basis. Specific examples: 1998 Al Cannondale, failed at downtube-BB shell in 2003. 1999 Al Klein, failed at headtube (?bad headset/headtube?). 2002 Al Specialized, cracked downtube noted after a crash at relatively low speed only impacting the road. I've never seen steel, Ti, or all-carbon frames do this.

I would recommend that you forget any concerns about the durability of carbon. I've ridden three carbon bikes from diff. manufacterers over the last 12-15 years and never a failure of any kind. My only concern there would be the cost of replacement if continually racing crits and crashing...or lots of Cat. 5 races. There is a reason why almost all brands are starting to sell a bike with carbon in it...it's not just marketing.

All the bike listed are very nice, I've always loved Kleins...go with your gut feel of what feels the best and puts a sparkle in your eye. After all it's your opinion that matters the most.

I looked pretty seriously at the Roubaix and the Klein qCarbon Race and bought the Race. It is a compact geometry similar to the Aura with a similar component package (but lower end wheels). I have about 500 miles on my bike now and love it. It is fast and very comfortable. I liked the Roubaix a lot also and could have been happy on it but couldn't get past the wow factor of the Klein frame.

I didn't look at the Trek as I couldn't get into one at a price I could swing.

Something else to add in there - Negotiate! I know it is not comfortable, but if you find the bike you like, you can ask the shop to throw something in for you. Never had them turn me down on small price reduction or an accessory discount, especially during this point of the season. (late sept.)

Klein Q Carbon Race here. Love it. Compact frame. Love it. I am 5-9, 200lbs and I am able to pound out sprints or do 40+ mile rides. Great all around bike. I am tempted by the carbon Treks as the prices come down, but I am afraid to give up the stiffness of my alum for sprints. I probably would love Ti, but those prices are obscene. By the way, my bike has the ultegra/105 mix and I am not pleased at all with the 105 front derailer. I would upgrade the drivetrain components and leave the 105 for the brakes.

I agree about components and the money. It's like when you buy a computer. It is cheaper overall to spend the money on the things you want up front rather than upgrading.

Only difference w/ computers is that there are parts you WILL change with time on a bike - chain, cassette, chainrings, tires. So if some of the consumables are not what you prefer, just change them when they wear out.

Out of curiosity, why did you rule out the Giant TCR? Ive heard very good things about it, especially its frame and value.