Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Looking to get a new steed between my legs, suggestions needed

Ok so I currently have a Bianchi Pista and although I do love the bike, i've decided that it's good but not great. Thus i'm looking to upgrade to either replace or compliment my current bike. I'm really only interested in steel frames and have a budget of about a $1000. I'm really leaning towards getting the Panasonic NJS frame from pista poseur but then I have to deal with buying different sized components rather than just swapping them from my Pista. I've also considered the Toyo Godzilla, but I feel like it's lacking aesthetically. I might consider aluminum (i.e. Bianchi Pista Concept) but u'd have to convince me.

I'm not a messenger or a heavy rider. I'll use the bike primarily for commuting short distances. I just want something that is durable, can take a beating from nyc streets, and is cool like the other side of the pillow

A the title. "That's what she said"

But anyways.
I still really like my Giant FCR has all around commuter/touring bike. Start around 550 and go up to 1100 about. Definitely worth looking at though.

Ok so I currently have a Bianchi Pista and although I do love the bike, i've decided that it's good but not great. Thus i'm looking to upgrade to either replace or compliment my current bike. I'm really only interested in steel frames and have a budget of about a $1000. I'm really leaning towards getting the Panasonic NJS frame from pista poseur but then I have to deal with buying different sized components rather than just swapping them from my Pista. I've also considered the Toyo Godzilla, but I feel like it's lacking aesthetically. I might consider aluminum (i.e. Bianchi Pista Concept) but u'd have to convince me.

I'm not a messenger or a heavy rider. I'll use the bike primarily for commuting short distances. I just want something that is durable, can take a beating from nyc streets, and is cool like the other side of the pillow

Let me analyze what this post is really saying:


Ok so I currently have a Bianchi Pista and although I do love the bike, i've decided that[i] it's good but not great.

I see a whole lot of other people riding pistas so it makes me feel a lot less original and sort of poser-ish.


I'm really leaning towards getting the Panasonic NJS frame

Although there is absolutely no reason why I need a NJS stamped frame and I really have no idea why they are so great, I will get mad street cred for having one and make others envious


I might consider aluminum (i.e. Bianchi Pista Concept)

I saw a lot of people in that MASH movie riding Concepts so they must be cool


I'll use the bike primarily for commuting short distances

I'll mostly be riding to the coffee shop and bar


With that being said go since you live in NYC go for a continuum frame and keep the pista as a bike for when you want to lock up somewhere. I took this pic a block from my apt in BK the other day.

u really had to go there huh? Couldn't just answer the question like a normal person huh? sall good what i come to expect from bf members. any other suggestions?

oh u actually did answer my question down there. Listen i would get ragged on just as much if I said i rode a iro or a kilo tt. I want the panasonic cuz yeah it's sexy as hell but I know they're bikes of the highest standard and I always try to aim for the best OR the best that money can buy. can't blame a guy for that. And no I ain't no trust fund baby or some hipster even though i wear tight levis.

And how many times is the coffee shop joke gonna come up. seriously tired.

just suggestions please

Are you planning on swapping everything from the Pista to the new frame? Because if your intent is to move the stock BB/crankset and wheels to a $1000 frame, I wouldn't bother. You'll get more for your money by buying a new set of wheels and cranks for the Pista.

Are you planning on swapping everything from the Pista to the new frame? Because if your intent is to move the stock BB/crankset and wheels to a $1000 frame, I wouldn't bother. You'll get more for your money by buying a new set of wheels and cranks for the Pista.

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upgrade the components on your pista, the frame isn't bad at all, especially for what you're planning to do

just get better wheels, go clipless if you want, new cranks and bb can work too

Because you want to get a nice frame, spend $1000, but then you realize to get components that are just as good, your budget will most likely double from $1000 to $2000, but instead, if you keep your pista and put $1000 into it, which is a lot, then you will have a much nicer ride

Have someone build you a custom frame.

Now for the opinion part (you can skip this if you want to). There is nothing wrong with riding a Pista. It is a great track bike to ride on the streets. It can take a beating, and you don't have to worry about it too much. A vanity steel NJS bike, on the other hand, you're going to have to baby it. And you won't notice any difference in performance or anything making that switch. But sure, it will look nice! Since you obviously don't race, I won't say to go aluminum or anything; the benefits would be lost on you and the harsher ride would bum you out. Why not get something with a more street-riding geometry? Something a little more relaxed and comfortable. You might want to ride your bike for long distances some day! So how about this? Just shop around until you find some super sweet old road bike that you really love? And then keep the gears on and just ride that bad mamma jamma! Ride like the wind!

You have no real right to get pissy, seeing that it was only back in June or July when you posted a thread asking which parts of your bike need to be lubricated. We all want a nice bike, man...but do you really feel you've moved past owning a Pista since learning what grease is and where to put it?

+1

for a grand, I'd go custom and local. But also keep in mind that an fancy-pants frame means fancy-pants components, generally speaking, so I'd budget at least $600-$1000 extra.

Or you could get over trying to impress strangers and upgrade your Pista with new wheels, new cranks, new paint, new fork, whatever.

upgrade the components on your pista, the frame isn't bad at all, especially for what you're planning to do
I've already replaced/upgraded pretty much my whole bike. new wheels, new headset, new saddlepost, etc.. i'm waiting to purchase a new crankset once i get a new frame.

Thanks for the suggestion Lorok but I actually really like the feel of the track geo on the pista.

and scrodzilla what's with u keeping tabs on me? Sure i haven't been riding a bike since I came out of the womb like some of you guys. But I didn't know u had to earn the right to purchase a nice bike. It's not like I'm treating this as some kind of fad. I just want to get a top of the line frame.

I've already replaced/upgraded pretty much my whole bike. new wheels, new headset, new saddlepost, etc.. i'm waiting to purchase a new crankset once i get a new frame.

Thanks for the suggestion Lorok but I actually really like the feel of the track geo on the pista.

and scrodzilla what's with u keeping tabs on me? Sure i haven't been riding a bike since I came out of the womb like some of you guys. But I didn't know u had to earn the right to purchase a nice bike. It's not like I'm treating this as some kind of fad. I just want to get a top of the line frame.

I don't doubt at all that you really like the feel of track geo on the pista. I DO doubt that you have had occasion to wish for/appreciate the more comfortable/forgiving geometry of a road bike. You said yourself, you don't ride your bike much. I'm saying that maybe in time you might get curious as to what makes a guy want to ride more than 10 miles at a time. Or 20 or 200. I'm saying that once that happens to you (and hey, this could just be a fad for you and you don't really like riding) you won't want to be held back by track geometry. The only bike I have at the moment is a Pista, and I ride it long distances all the time but there hasn't been one long ride I've taken her on that I haven't wished I had a derailleur (mountains) and a more relaxed position. So I'm saying KEEP the Pista, cause it's great, and then get something that will expand your cycling world, rather than keep it confined to the couple miles to the coffee shop. :thumb::D

I actually really like the feel of the track geo on the pista.
if you really like how it rides then why do you need to "upgrade"?

other then that both the frames you picked are pretty cool. I like the toyo godzilla but it seems over priced

OP, you:

a. live in Brooklyn,
b. don't ride very much,
c. when you do, it's short distances
d. have completely serviceable bike.

Yet you want to upgrade to an NJS machine not because you're "treating this as some kind of fad." You just want to get "a top of the line frame". It's cool to want to make a vanity purchase, everyone here has done it at some point. But if you try to disguise as a performance issue, especially under these pretenses, be prepared to get called out.

How typical is the high school kid who starts driving at 16 and immediately "needs" an overly expensive hopped-up race car?

get a road bike, dude. You might actually get past the Starbucks.

How typical is the high school kid who starts driving at 16 and immediately "needs" an overly expensive hopped-up race car?

This is a bit different, though, as the hopped up car will have noticeable performance differences. He wants what will essentially be a flashier version of the exact same bike.

This thread is veering off course. I was asking for suggestions and not to be criticized for a possible purchase of a panasonic frame. I only said i was contemplating it and was wondering what other options i should explore.

Performance differences, sure...but very unnecessary if the kid barely knows how to drive. Metaphorically speaking, it's the same thing. A kid fresh out of driving school doesn't need a Subaru STI just like someone who hardly rides their bike doesn't need a Panasonic NJS.

Show us a picture of your pista and list components?

show us a picture of your pista and list components?

+1

This is a bit different, though, as the hopped up car will have noticeable performance differences. He wants what will essentially be a flashier version of the exact same bike.

I'd say its exactly the same thing- a 300HP turbocharged 4WD car is still limited to 25 mph through residential neighborhoods on the 10-minute drive to school. It costs twice as much as a brand-new commuter car, 10x as much as a used beater car, uses premium gas, and will cause tears if it gets keyed. The comparison to fashion track bikes should be obvious :D

and scrodzilla what's with u keeping tabs on me?

I'm not "keeping tabs on you" dude. I just remember you asking some very elementary questions on this forum not long ago. Sorry if my having a good memory offends you.

If you're ready for "top of the line" after 5 months of short rides around your neighborhood, go for it. Buy whatever you want and stop relying on what people advise you to do via the internet.

I like threads like these, reminding me to get out and ride instead of whacking off to nice bikes on the internet.

this thread sucks.

The problem is we get 10 threads like this a week, so there is really no compassion for people that post them. That being said ill give my two cents. YOU will not notice the ride difference between a NJS frame and your pista. The pista is a really really nice frame, if nothing is wrong with it I do not really see a reason to replace it. If you want to look different pay 100 dollars to get it powder coated. If your heart is set on a new frame buy something custom. Then maybe you can support a local business and get exactly what you want.

I'm not relying on anyone. I'm just just asking for options. I don't have any pics of my bike right now.

But here's a list of what i've upgraded to:

Wheelset: Deep Vs laced to dura ace hubs (32h)
Saddlepost: Thomson elite
headset: Chris King
pedals: mks with toe clips

If whitekimchee has a pre-2009 Pista frame, he has a very valuable and useful frame.

Don't let go of that frame set.

Consider having the frame set powder coated creamsicle orange, celeste, dove gray, or some other color of your choosing.

Upgrade your wheels with aerohead rims and aerolite spokes.

If you go with velocity aerohead rims (much lighter than deep V's), you can get them in any variety of colors and match them to your frame, or complement your frame.

Get a Syntace stem.

How about a Selle San Marco composite saddle (less than 100 grams, all carbon and the most comfortable saddle I've ever ridden)?

Hang on to that Pista: after you powdercoat it, only people with a discerning eye will recognize (and appreciate) it, and it will ride much better than anything else so far nominated.

I agree with the guys who said to put that money into your pista.

The people on this forum who own a pista really love it.

I built up my BFSSFG IRO and I spent $1050 including the frame and I bought all of the best quality components - Sugino 75 cranks, Hand Built Fusion/Formula wheelset, Brooks Saddle, etc.

You already have the frame. You can have it Powder Coated to whatever color you want and still have enough to buy high end components - though it is not really necessary.

It makes sense.

YOU will not notice the ride difference between a NJS frame and your pista.

But think about how much cooler it will LOOK...with Deep Vs on it!!!

Lace those hubs to some open pros and you'll see more performance gain than you would if you bought an NJS track frame. Not that it really matters, as others have correctly pointed out, because you really aren't riding the bike enough to notice.

I second the suggestion that if you want to spend some money on bike stuff, you'd be better off picking up a road bike, or something to broaden your bike horizons a bit. Perhaps a road geo single speed or a mountain bike.

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I need to make shirts that say that.
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lol this thread

flaunting large amounts of disposable income incites indignation.

this thread sucks.

amen.

I'm not relying on anyone. I'm just just asking for options. I don't have any pics of my bike right now.

But here's a list of what i've upgraded to:

Wheelset: Deep Vs laced to dura ace hubs (32h)
Saddlepost: Thomson elite
headset: Chris King
pedals: mks with toe clips

Nothing left to upgrade on the Pista.

What I would do is to go in a different direction and get a more utilitarian bike. One that can haul stuff. Like lots of beer.

If you showed up riding one of these, you'd get noticed. And lots of coolness points.

http://www.bilenky.com/pizza_cargo_files/IMG_1566.jpg

flaunting large amounts of disposable income incites indignation.

Not really. He just approached this wrong.

Spending money is fine. Spending it for legitimate reasons is even better.

As a sidenote: throw an Aerospoke on that Velopizzawagon and I'll take 2!

Let me analyze what this post is really saying:
I see a whole lot of other people riding pistas so it makes me feel a lot less original and sort of poser-ish.

i am going to attempt to brand this person as a hipster, because i am afraid of being branded one myself.



Although there is absolutely no reason why I need a NJS stamped frame and I really have no idea why they are so great, I will get mad street cred for having one and make others envious

ok, this is pretty spot on.


I saw a lot of people in that MASH movie riding Concepts so they must be cool

with this groundbreaking critique no one would've seen coming, i will surely solidify people's opinions of me as someone really cool, someone who doesn't care about trends at all, in the slightest.. someone who will truly be accepted at non-hipster coffeeshops everywhere. (man, those hipsters are so uncool and unlike me!)


I'll mostly be riding to the coffee shop and bar

again, probably true.


ANYWAY everybody in this thread already said what i would. if you want increased performance, you are the bottleneck. ride more if you want better performance. once you ride a ton, then you can worry about changing out your frame and etc for the sake of performance. otherwise you're just changing stuff for comfort and style. which is OK if you have the money. do your own research on what frame you want anyway, there's a million threads on this very same topic.

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:trainwreck:

Oh neat.
Let me do you now.


i am going to attempt to brand this person as a hipster, because i am afraid of being branded one myself.

I am going to turn this into a conversation about being a hipster because I'm not really able to think of people outside the terms of being hip or not hip. Even though no one in this thread said anything about anyone being a hipster. I often project my own insecurities on to other people in really obvious ways.




ok, this is pretty spot on.

You are correct



with this groundbreaking critique no one would've seen coming, i will surely solidify people's opinions of me as someone really cool, someone who doesn't care about trends at all, in the slightest.. someone who will truly be accepted at non-hipster coffeeshops everywhere. (man, those hipsters are so uncool and unlike me!)

See above



again, probably true.

You are correct again


ANYWAY everybody in this thread already said what i would. if you want increased performance, you are the bottleneck. ride more if you want better performance. once you ride a ton, then you can worry about changing out your frame and etc for the sake of performance. otherwise you're just changing stuff for comfort and style. which is OK if you have the money. do your own research on what frame you want anyway, there's a million threads on this very same topic.

Let me just sum what everybody else had already said and not add any useful information.

Can't we just make this thread be about MC Hammer?
http://www.ignitesocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hammer.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/dontdeconstructforme/funny-pictures-kitten-has-a-noble-s.jpg

OP, maybe try an aero aluminum frame like Jamis Sonik?

I don't think you guys should rag on him for wanting a new bike. OP obviously considers his bikes as a fashion statement. When this fad has passed, cheap parts for the rest of us.

edit: http://post-a-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/20061005022028.jpg

the noblest steed:
http://enemyofchaos.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/thenev.jpg

mate, I tend to agree with everyone else that an NJS frame is probably overkill.

BUT - if you would enjoy a nice track frame and you can justify buying it, there's no reason why not to. People here are right to say that a pista is a fine bike and is enough for you at the moment, but I personally think it is unfair to flame you for wanting something a little nicer. seriously, if you have the means, go for it.

that said, you should take into account what people say about compatibility of parts and suitability of the frame before you choose. good luck!

I dont know he-man might give atreyu a run for his money!!!

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/dontdeconstructforme/he_man_picture.jpg

oh, so you're gonna go there huh? **** just got rell:
http://cardboardmonocle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/she-ra2.jpg

I think you should order a Vanilla or Sachs frame, personally. Good credit be damned.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/fupw/f1/funny0058.jpg

Wooooooo-ha!