Vehicular Cycling (VC) - New study on the impact of transportation infrastructure on bicycling safety

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randya
11-03-09, 05:05 PM
From the peer-reviewed literature; just published in the Environmental Health Journal by five researchers from the University of British Columbia:

Methods
We reviewed studies of the impact of transportation infrastructure on bicyclist safety. The results were tabulated within two categories of infrastructure, namely that at intersections (e.g. roundabouts, traffic lights) or between intersections on “straightaways” (e.g. bike lanes or paths). To assess safety, studies examining the following outcomes were included: injuries; injury severity; and crashes (collisions and/or falls).

Results
The literature to date on transportation infrastructure and cyclist safety is limited by the incomplete range of facilities studied and difficulties in controlling for exposure to risk. However, evidence from the 23 papers reviewed (eight that examined intersections and 15 that examined straightaways) suggests that infrastructure influences injury and crash risk. Intersection studies focused mainly on roundabouts. They found that multi-lane roundabouts can significantly increase risk to bicyclists unless a separated cycle track is included in the design. Studies of straightaways grouped facilities into few categories, such that facilities with potentially different risks may have been classified within a single category. Results to date suggest that sidewalks and multi-use trails pose the highest risk, major roads are more hazardous than minor roads, and the presence of bicycle facilities (e.g. on-road bike routes, on-road marked bike lanes, and off-road bike paths) was associated with the lowest risk.

Conclusions
Evidence is beginning to accumulate that purpose-built bicycle-specific facilities reduce crashes and injuries among cyclists, providing the basis for initial transportation engineering guidelines for cyclist safety. Street lighting, paved surfaces, and low-angled grades are additional factors that appear to improve cyclist safety. Future research examining a greater variety of infrastructure would allow development of more detailed guidelines.

More selected quotes:

Bicyclists are vulnerable because they must frequently share the same infrastructure with motorized vehicles, and yet bicycles offer their users no physical protection in the event of a crash. In addition, the mass of a typical automobile is at least an order of magnitude greater than a bicycle plus its rider, and motorized vehicles have top speeds that are considerably faster than bicycles. As a result, bicycle riders who are involved in a crash are exposed to a much higher risk of injury compared to motor vehicle users (with the exception of motorcycle riders).

In this paper we review the evidence on how different types of transportation infrastructure affect bicyclists’ safety. This paper is organized as follows: first we provide an overview of bicycling safety and ridership. Next we offer definitions of, and alternative terminology for, the transportation infrastructure used by cyclists that might be expected to influence their safety (Table 1). We describe our literature search methodology and the inclusion and exclusion criteria, and present the results of the search in two detailed tables. Table 2 describes studies that assess the safety of intersections for cyclists, and Table 3 describes studies related to straightaways (i.e. roads, lanes, paths). We conclude by discussing the findings of this review, critiquing the methodological approaches used, and offering recommendations for future research.

The principal trend that emerges from the papers reviewed here is that clearly-marked, bike-specific facilities (i.e. cycle tracks at roundabouts, bike routes, bike lanes, and bike paths) were consistently shown to provide improved safety for cyclists compared to on-road cycling with traffic or off-road with pedestrians and other users. Marked bike lanes and bike routes were found to reduce injury or crash rates by about half compared to unmodified roadways. The finding that bicycle-specific design is important applies also to intersections with roundabouts, where it was found that cycle tracks routing cyclists around an intersection separately from motor vehicles were much safer than bike lanes or cycling with traffic. It has been suggested that the reason for high rates of bicycle-motor vehicle collisions at intersections is that motor vehicle drivers may be making “looked-but-failed-to-see” errors, whereby they search for oncoming motor vehicles but do not recognize that a cyclist is approaching because they are not looking for them [40].

abstract (http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/47)
provisional full report (pdf) (http://www.ehjournal.net/content/pdf/1476-069x-8-47.pdf)

one thing this report makes clear to me is that you can't just lump traditional multiuse paths in with bicycle-specific cycle tracks or bike lanes when evaluating facility safety.


John Forester
11-03-09, 05:24 PM
From the peer-reviewed literature; just published in the Environmental Health Journal by five researchers from the University of British Columbia:

Methods
We reviewed studies of the impact of transportation infrastructure on bicyclist safety. The results were tabulated within two categories of infrastructure, namely that at intersections (e.g. roundabouts, traffic lights) or between intersections on “straightaways” (e.g. bike lanes or paths). To assess safety, studies examining the following outcomes were included: injuries; injury severity; and crashes (collisions and/or falls).

Results
The literature to date on transportation infrastructure and cyclist safety is limited by the incomplete range of facilities studied and difficulties in controlling for exposure to risk. However, evidence from the 23 papers reviewed (eight that examined intersections and 15 that examined straightaways) suggests that infrastructure influences injury and crash risk. Intersection studies focused mainly on roundabouts. They found that multi-lane roundabouts can significantly increase risk to bicyclists unless a separated cycle track is included in the design. Studies of straightaways grouped facilities into few categories, such that facilities with potentially different risks may have been classified within a single category. Results to date suggest that sidewalks and multi-use trails pose the highest risk, major roads are more hazardous than minor roads, and the presence of bicycle facilities (e.g. on-road bike routes, on-road marked bike lanes, and off-road bike paths) was associated with the lowest risk.

Conclusions
Evidence is beginning to accumulate that purpose-built bicycle-specific facilities reduce crashes and injuries among cyclists, providing the basis for initial transportation engineering guidelines for cyclist safety. Street lighting, paved surfaces, and low-angled grades are additional factors that appear to improve cyclist safety. Future research examining a greater variety of infrastructure would allow development of more detailed guidelines.

More selected quotes:

Bicyclists are vulnerable because they must frequently share the same infrastructure with motorized vehicles, and yet bicycles offer their users no physical protection in the event of a crash. In addition, the mass of a typical automobile is at least an order of magnitude greater than a bicycle plus its rider, and motorized vehicles have top speeds that are considerably faster than bicycles. As a result, bicycle riders who are involved in a crash are exposed to a much higher risk of injury compared to motor vehicle users (with the exception of motorcycle riders).

In this paper we review the evidence on how different types of transportation infrastructure affect bicyclists’ safety. This paper is organized as follows: first we provide an overview of bicycling safety and ridership. Next we offer definitions of, and alternative terminology for, the transportation infrastructure used by cyclists that might be expected to influence their safety (Table 1). We describe our literature search methodology and the inclusion and exclusion criteria, and present the results of the search in two detailed tables. Table 2 describes studies that assess the safety of intersections for cyclists, and Table 3 describes studies related to straightaways (i.e. roads, lanes, paths). We conclude by discussing the findings of this review, critiquing the methodological approaches used, and offering recommendations for future research.

abstract (http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/47)
provisional full report (pdf) (http://www.ehjournal.net/content/pdf/1476-069x-8-47.pdf)

one thing this report makes clear to me is that you can't just lump traditional multiuse paths in with bicycle-specific cycle tracks or bike lanes when evaluating facility safety.

I am not surprised that this has shown up in this discussion, for I have already reviewed it on my website at:
http://johnforester.com/Articles/Safety/Infrastructure%20Impact.pdf

The plain fact is that because these health professionals knew nothing about bicycle transportation, they failed to recognize the errors in these studies, or, more often, in the interpretation given to the studies, problems that we bicycle transportation engineers had identified long ago. The result of correcting these errors is that the published literature makes no demonstration that bikeways reduce car-bike collisions. Some errors: The CPSC study gives the average speed of cyclists as 1.26 mph. The Kaplan study is quoted as demonstrating a lower crash rate on bike lanes when all of its data apply to bike routes, because in 1975 there were very few bike lanes in America, but many more miles of bike route. The Wachtel study is quoted as showing that right-way sidewalk cycling is not much more dangerous than roadway cycling through the same intersections, despite Wachtel's note that this is a statistical anomaly rather than accurate information. And the reviewers equate all roadway cycling with vehicular cycling.

It's not only garbage in, garbarge out, but decay into garbage of originally reasonable information.

I sent my review to the editor, who replied that I should send a concise letter instead, which I did. But they won't publish even six paragraphs without payment of $1350. Think of that: their journal publishes erroneous information, and they demand money for the corrections.

We have had much discussion of the absence of peer review in our subject. Now look at the errors that "peer" review let through. As I remarked to one committee of high review in the transportation sciences, I would be only too pleased if papers were reviewed by those who were my peers, instead of the ill-informed people who were assigned to the task.

Mos6502
11-03-09, 05:28 PM
So basically, the things that make the most sense logicially, are safe.

Interesting.


randya
11-03-09, 05:30 PM
John, that's all sour grapes on your part, because they reach a different conclusion than you have and you are so completely locked into your tunnel vision.

There are several full pages of discussion in the published report regarding the difficulties inherent in standardizing definitions for various types of facilities, deficiencies of the studies done to date, and difficulties inherent in standardizing the data.

John Forester
11-03-09, 05:36 PM
John, that's all sour grapes on your part, because they reach a different conclusion than you have and you are so completely locked into your tunnel vision.

There are several full pages of discussion in the published report regarding the difficulties inherent in standardizing definitions for various types of facilities, deficiencies of the studies done to date, and difficulties inherent in standardizing the data.

You can only make a reasonable statement of views after you have read the initial papers that were reviewed, the review paper, and my review of the review paper. Until you have reached the minimal reasonable level of expertise in this subject, your opinions of this type are no more than hot air. If you want to develop the level of expertise necessary for reasonable discussion, then put your mind into doing so.

randya
11-03-09, 05:37 PM
From the report:


Clear and specific categorization is also vital to transportation planners and engineers, so they can distinguish sometimes subtle differences between successful and problematic design characteristics. One of the difficulties of the studies in the English-language literature to date is that the range of infrastructure studied is small compared to the range of configurations used between and within jurisdictions. Some examples are described above, but there are many other features that merit investigation: stop signs; numbers of roads intersecting; junctions such as driveways and lanes; cyclist lane of travel in relation to parked cars; surface features such as cobble stones or street-car (tram) tracks; traffic calming measures such as diverters or road humps; and road/lane/path curvature.

Underreporting of some events is an issue that is common to all studies of bicycle injuries and crashes. Many of the studies reviewed here relied on administrative data sources including hospital records [16, 62, 64], police reported accidents [54-61, 69-73], and national or city-maintained registries [53, 63], all of which are likely to miss less severe events. For example, one of the large surveys [67] found that 9.8% of the respondents had had a crash in the last year, but only two in five crashes (38.2%) had been reported to police. Over half (56.6%) required medical attention, but only one in twenty crashes (5.5%) required admission to a hospital. This underreporting may create bias in infrastructure-specific risk calculations, since collisions involving motor vehicles may be more likely to be reported to police for insurance reasons and to hospitals because they are more severe, as compared to collisions that happen with non-motorized users (which may happen more frequently on off-street paths). Results of studies using these data sources should be interpreted as reflecting risk of severe events. Other studies in this review used data from cyclist surveys that may capture a wider range of crash types, including those that are less severe [29, 61, 65-68]. However, survey data will not capture events that resulted in fatalities (though these are extremely rare) or catastrophic incapacitating brain, spinal cord or other injuries and, depending on the method of survey administration, may not capture individuals who no longer cycle following a crash [29, 68]. No single study design can overcome these reporting problems, thus the importance of looking for consistency of results across different designs.

A great challenge in studying cycling injuries is ensuring that comparisons control for the number of cyclists at risk (also called “exposure to risk”). The before-after studies reviewed here aimed to do this by comparing numbers of injuries on the same intersection or roadway prior to and post introduction of an infrastructure intervention, with the assumptions that underlying traffic levels, injury rates, and types of cyclists stay the same. These assumptions may not hold [58], so some of these studies also adjusted for temporal trends in traffic volumes [58, 59, 63] or injury rates in the area [53], or made additional comparisons to unchanged intersections [56-59]. The non-intervention studies needed to include methods to derive bicycling trip volumes on the infrastructure types being compared. Sometimes these came from administrative data collected by transportation authorities [54, 55, 60, 71, 73], and sometimes from study participants describing the route of an injury trip or their typical cycling location [29, 61, 64-68]. Injury severity studies made comparisons within the injured populations, so did not require trip volume denominators [16, 69, 70, 72], but this meant that they examined differences in severity of the outcome once in an injury event, not the original risk of the event itself.

Though the most basic requirement for studies examining risk of crashes or injuries is to account for exposure to risk, there are many other factors that may confound comparisons and that ideally would be controlled in study design or adjusted for in analyses. For example, men and women or people in different age groups may choose to cycle on different facility types, and might have different skill levels or risk-taking behavior, thus creating the potential for confounding associations between infrastructure and injury. While it is difficult to control for all potential confounders, many of the non-intervention studies reviewed here did adjust for personal factors such as age [16, 29, 64, 65, 70, 71], sex [29, 64, 65, 71], cycling experience [29, 68], bicycle type [65], and environmental factors such as time of day [64, 69, 70, 72, 73] and weather [65, 69, 70, 72]. Most injury severity studies adjusted for helmet use [16, 69, 72]. A style of observational study that can control for most potential confounders is the case-crossover design [78]. Such a study is underway in the Canadian cities of Toronto and Vancouver. It will compare infrastructure at the injury site to that of randomly selected control sites on the same trip, thus within-trip factors (including age, sex, cycling experience, propensity for risk taking, alcohol or drug use, bicycle type and condition, visibility via clothing or bicycle lights, weather, time of day, etc.) are controlled in the design.

It all sounds pretty reasonable to me, I think John is the one being unreasonable here. Not surprised they didn't publish his critique, it was probably full of slanderous attacks on the authors because they reached different conclusions than the Foresterologists, thus disturbing the Foresterologists faith-based approach to cycling.

John Forester
11-03-09, 05:49 PM
From the report:



It all sounds pretty reasonable to me, I think John is the one being unreasonable here. Not surprised they didn't publish his critique, it was probably full of slanderous attacks on the authors because they reached different conclusions than the Foresterologists.

Here is the reply that I sent, and which was not downloaded to them because of the absence of money. That is, the editors never saw my letter, so far as I can see, because their program refused to download it.

And talk about slander. Have you considered what you write? The slander that occurs in this discussion comes from those who have such self-righteous faith in non-demonstrable effects that they believe accurate criticism to be slanderous.

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Comment on: The Impact of Transportation Infrastructure on Bicycling Injuries and Crashes: A Review of the Literature, by Reynolds, Harris, Teshke, Cripton, and Winters.

The authors admirably attempted to review only papers that scientifically demonstrated a safety effect produced by bicycle infrastructure, commonly called bikeways, and they remarked, accurately, on the scarcity of papers in this field meeting their criteria. However, the authors concluded that several types of bikeway reduced car-bike collisions when none of the papers actually so demonstrated. The authors were misled by the combination of two factors. One is the population-wide bias that safety for cyclists requires that they stick to the edge of the roadway, or off it, the performance that bikeways are designed to produce. The other is ignorance about bicycle transportation engineering, a field with literature going back to 1976. (1)

For example, the authors equated roadway cycling with vehicular cycling. Roadway cycling is any cycling on the roadway, typically done in a dangerous, unlawful and incompetent manner, while vehicular cycling is roadway cycling done in accordance with the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. The best evidence is that vehicular cycling has a crash rate only about 25% of that of the typically incompetent cycling.

As another example, the authors attributed significant crash reduction to bike lanes in an American paper written in 1975 that combined the statistics for bike lanes and bike routes. The contribution of bike lanes to those statistics was vanishingly small, because there were almost no bike lanes in America at that time, while there were many bike routes.

The fields of bicycle transportation and cyclist safety are filled, as the authors discovered, with seriously defective papers. The first cause was the societal and legal view that the prime duty of cyclists is to stay out of the way of cars, taught largely through the motivation of fear. This produces cyclists who have great difficulty in persuading themselves to operate safely and lawfully. The second cause is the current environmental patriotism that demands facilities to attract people with that defective view of cycling but which, as the authors (if they accept my criticism) have discovered, do not make cycling significantly safer.

My detailed review of the review paper is at:
http://johnforester.com/Articles/Safety/Infrastructure%20Impact.pdf

Note my statement above, that lawful, competent cycling in accordance with the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles produces a crash rate only about 25% of that for the general bicycling public. I do not know of any other safety program that presents such a large, but reasonably possible, improvement.

1: Forester, John; The Bicycle Transportation Controversy; Transportation Quarterly Vol 55 No 2, p7-17, Spring 1001

Mos6502
11-03-09, 05:57 PM
Even taking that into account, wouldn't the overall gist of "Results to date suggest that sidewalks and multi-use trails pose the highest risk, major roads are more hazardous than minor roads, and the presence of bicycle facilities (e.g. on-road bike routes, on-road marked bike lanes, and off-road bike paths) was associated with the lowest risk. " still be correct?

John Forester
11-03-09, 06:34 PM
Even taking that into account, wouldn't the overall gist of "Results to date suggest that sidewalks and multi-use trails pose the highest risk, major roads are more hazardous than minor roads, and the presence of bicycle facilities (e.g. on-road bike routes, on-road marked bike lanes, and off-road bike paths) was associated with the lowest risk. " still be correct?

Not quite, I think. But I was considering, as were the reviewers, reduction in crash rate produced by each kind of facility. You are considering more the existing crash rates. Yes, sidewalks and multi-use trails have high crash rates, major roads have a somewhat higher crash rate than do minor roads. Off-road bike paths are a mixed lot; what distinguishes them from multiple-use trails? And what distinguishes paths far from the roadway from paths alongside the roadway, which latter have very high crash rates, because they have the same topological relationship to the roadway as do sidewalks? And streets to be designated as bike routes have already been selected as safer than usual. And, nobody really expects that putting up bike route signs, which is the typical treatment, actually reduces crashes, though new traffic signals at some intersections would help. Much the same goes for streets on which bike lanes get built; mostly on streets that are already sufficiently wide for them. The reviewers did not find, and I know of none, studies that specifically did either before and after, or comparison of otherwise identical streets, to determine if it was the stripe itself that reduced crashes, and came up with the conclusion that the bike-lane stripe reduced crashes.

randya
11-03-09, 06:51 PM
the difference between multiuse paths and off-road bike paths is that pedestrians are allowed on the former, but not on the latter; if you had really read the paper, you would know that.

John Forester
11-03-09, 08:07 PM
the difference between multiuse paths and off-road bike paths is that pedestrians are allowed on the former, but not on the latter; if you had really read the paper, you would know that.

It appears from much discussion here and elsewhere that, at least in America, there are no off-road bike paths that effectively keep out pedestrians. Those that do, it appears, are only those characterized as sidepaths which also have sidewalks, and it is well known that such sidepaths have a high crash rate.

genec
11-03-09, 08:22 PM
You can only make a reasonable statement of views after you have read the initial papers that were reviewed, the review paper, and my review of the review paper. Until you have reached the minimal reasonable level of expertise in this subject, your opinions of this type are no more than hot air. If you want to develop the level of expertise necessary for reasonable discussion, then put your mind into doing so.

Has anyone peer reviewed your review of this study? Or once again do you stand alone on an isolated island with a population of one.

The Human Car
11-04-09, 08:05 AM
For example, the authors equated roadway cycling with vehicular cycling. Roadway cycling is any cycling on the roadway, typically done in a dangerous, unlawful and incompetent manner, while vehicular cycling is roadway cycling done in accordance with the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles.

Right, car centric roadway designs do not facilitate cyclists riding their bicycles as drivers of vehicles and only encourage dangerous, unlawful and incompetent cycling by a factor of 3:1 by your best evidence.

John Forester
11-04-09, 09:41 AM
Has anyone peer reviewed your review of this study? Or once again do you stand alone on an isolated island with a population of one.

Environmental Health demanded $1350 to merely look at my short letter. Which I won't spend.

However, my longer critique has been posted on my website for all to read. I has been remarked that the best peer review occurs after publication, when everyone else has their chance.

I specifically sent notice to my peers, for their advice. One suggested an additional criticism of one of the papers that had been reviewed that was so bad that I passed it off simply as being inaccurate. The peer referred to his own lengthy criticism of that paper, and one surprising piece of data from it. I gave the URL and the surprising data item, which was that in America the average cycling speed calculates to 1.26 mph. These are the kinds of peer reviewed papers to which we have had to respond.

Bekologist
11-04-09, 09:56 AM
bwaughahahahahaha.

john, this rather exhaustive monograph, a collection and cross-analysis of bicycling studies with rather strict criteria, is compelling in its professional standard.

You recriminate with 'gigo' but your critical screed is obtusely myopic. however, as a self styled bicycle transportation ingenue your sophmoric analysis can be forgiven.

invisiblehand
11-04-09, 12:18 PM
I don't know what the standard is for transportation studies, but it is the case that in economics and statistics that a literature review is done by people with a long publishing record in the field. For a good set of examples, see the Journal of Economic Perspectives.

If John is right, one would expect it to have certain types of mistakes.

randya
11-04-09, 01:52 PM
I don't know what the standard is for transportation studies, but it is the case that in economics and statistics that a literature review is done by people with a long publishing record in the field. For a good set of examples, see the Journal of Economic Perspectives.

If John is right, one would expect it to have certain types of mistakes.

so you're not allowed to review the literature until you've published extensively?

:rolleyes:

have you researched the publishing record of this study's authors to determine if they are allowed to review the literature yet?

:roflmao:

invisiblehand
11-04-09, 02:22 PM
so you're not allowed to review the literature until you've published extensively?

Allowed? Anyone can review it.

Few will listen unless the authors' familiarity is demonstrated by a series of publications. At least that is how established disciplines -- the computer science, physics and math guys down the hall agree -- work in my experience.

Maybe the authors are established. I have not read every paper and don't live as a transportation engineer. But if John's statement is correct -- I think John has a bias, but I also think he has read every referenced paper -- then he has a point.

randya
11-04-09, 02:30 PM
sorry, but I seriously doubt that John has personally read all 78 referenced papers cited in that report.

John Forester
11-04-09, 04:45 PM
I don't know what the standard is for transportation studies, but it is the case that in economics and statistics that a literature review is done by people with a long publishing record in the field. For a good set of examples, see the Journal of Economic Perspectives.

If John is right, one would expect it to have certain types of mistakes.

Invisible Hand starts by introducing the process of peer review in normal professional disciplines and then moves on to suggest that the same "standard is for transportation studies." Indeed, in the great majority of transportation studies published in journals (as opposed to studies intended to justify some zoning change or other) I think that the same standard holds. At least I have seen no indication that it does not, for example in the papers accepted by the Transportation Research Board, of which I have been a member. That is, except for papers on bicycle transportation, which is the ideological oddity.

I know the details of the American experience in this matter. The European history may have been similar, but the details have been lost. As I have been writing, American society felt that cyclists should operate in the cyclist-inferiority manner, and the initial bikeway standards were intended to enforce this style of cycling. Initially, traffic engineers objected, foreseeing the intersection hazards that are now apparent. But political power had its way and the bikeway system was established. (The leader of the Calif. Senate told the engineering committee that bikeways would be produced no matter what.) The bikeways were designed without regard to making cycling safer (no safety investigations were done), but according to motorists' argument that the way to keep cyclists safe was to keep them at the edge of the roadway, or off it if possible. It was known before the bikeway standards were completed that the best scientific evidence demonstrated that bikeways (with the exception of long-distance trails well away from roads) could not significantly reduce car-bike collisions, and this was rapidly confirmed by the best statistical study of car-bike collisions that has ever been done.

Aside from the statistical investigator, who for years was puzzled why his study had not been applied, the only opponents were vehicular cyclists, the only people with sufficient thoughtful cycling experience to be experts in the field. But politics in the grip of the popular superstition about bicycle safety won the day. Once the standards were issued, the anti-motoring environmentalists enthusiastically endorsed the standards, because these people also believed (or said that they did) the superstition that keeping cyclists at the edge of the roadway kept cyclists safe, so that, in their anticipation, bikeway building would safely free large numbers of motorists from their bondage and greatly reduce motoring.

So the nation's policy for bicycle transportation was firmly settled on a policy of cyclist-inferiority cycling on bikeways, a policy which did not make cycling safe while allowing all to see that cyclist-inferiority cycling had the official endorsement of those supposedly acting for the safety of cyclists. But which system had no scientific support whatever; its only virtue was its popularity with people ignorant of proper cycling: motorists, the general public, and the typical bicycle rider.

So, there existed two opposite views about cycling: vehicular cycling on good roadways, and cyclist-inferiority cycling on bikeways. Although cyclist-inferiority cycling had never had any scientific support, it was both the official policy and it was believed by the general public and especially strongly by bicycle advocates. Ever since, those organizations with money to spend on bicycling affairs have funded studies that attempt, in one way or another, to demonstrate that cyclist-inferiority cycling is safer and more convenient that vehicular cycling. And they have failed.

Look at the just-issued survey of published papers that was intended to demonstrate that thesis. So few papers, after thirty years of well-funded effort, even remotely met that criterion, and, in the end, the desired thesis was not demonstrated. Surely, if there were scientific merit in the cyclist-inferiority cycling hypothesis, that merit would have been well demonstrated after all that effort to find it.

So we come to the issue of whether bicycle transportation engineering is a normal engineering or scientific discipline. First, it has to be based on vehicular cycling, or something close to that, because that is where the evidence puts safety and even convenience. But there is no money in that; all the money goes to cyclist-inferiority cycling on bikeways. I suggest that the combined incomes from cycling instruction books of John Franklin, John Allen, and I would not support one family. Therefore, despite three short-lived attempts, there has never been a journal to publish papers in this field.

So, how about other journals and their referees? You have seen the result for Environmental Health. The referees are not only without training or experience to judge papers on bicycle traffic engineering, they are hampered by believing what everybody knows about bicycling, cyclist-inferiority cycling is the only acceptable way. The errors that they make are not about public health, their field of expertise, but about details of bicycle transportation engineering that have been known for years to those familiar with the field.

One might think that the Bicycling Committee of the Transportation Research Board should have both the expertise and the freedom from bias to be the most reliable publisher of papers in bicycle transportation engineering. Sadly, that is not so. I have been a member of that committee, I have been a referee for that committee, and I have had much experience with the subject of refeering in this field. As one might expect, the members of that committee are those with professional positions in bicycle transportation. That is, they either are paid to do cyclist-inferiority work (planning, research, or similar), or they are those who pay to have that work done.

Probably because those who promote cyclist-inferiority cycling can't demonstrate its safety, and its convenience is obviously no better than any roadway cycling method, and because their incomes depend on it, these people are intensely protective of the dogma that funds them. As a referee for TRB's Bicycling Committee, I saw papers accepted with grievous scientific errors, simply because they appealed to the cyclist-inferiority belief, while I saw papers rejected, not for scientific errors, but because they challenged the cyclist-inferiority belief. At one point, the committee had to be instructed to conduct its refereeing according to the standard instructions, Rules for Referees, by Bernard K. Forscher, published in Science. And the committee still insisted on making rejections of the type specifically prohibited by Rules for Referees, just to prevent official recognition of vehicular cycling.

And now consider Environmental Health. It has published a paper with several obvious errors, obvious at first glance to persons expert in bicycle transportation engineering, and it demands, of amateurs no less, $1350 to consider for peer review a short partial correction notice.

John Forester
11-04-09, 04:49 PM
Right, car centric roadway designs do not facilitate cyclists riding their bicycles as drivers of vehicles and only encourage dangerous, unlawful and incompetent cycling by a factor of 3:1 by your best evidence.

Don't be so silly; I thought that you had better brains than that. I have not argued that normal roadway designs "encourage dangerous, unlawful and incompetent cycling." I have argued that that that encouragement is provided both by the popular, but erroneous, view of how cycling should be conducted, and by the facilities that are designed in accordance with that view.

John Forester
11-04-09, 04:53 PM
sorry, but I seriously doubt that John has personally read all 78 referenced papers cited in that report.

No, that is correct. I read only almost all of those which were specifically referenced by the reviewers as indicating improvement in cyclist safety. Most of those were already familiar to me because they were on the subject in which I am most interested; I had alredy reviewed, or participated in reviewing, several of them.

Mos6502
11-04-09, 04:54 PM
So, there existed two opposite views about cycling: vehicular cycling on good roadways, and cyclist-inferiority cycling on bikeways.


Isn't this about like saying "locomotive-inferiority railroading on railways"? - you know, since putting trains on the highway would make them equal to cars...

John Forester
11-04-09, 04:57 PM
Isn't this about like saying "locomotive-inferiority railroading on railways"? - you know, since putting trains on the highway would make them equal to cars...

This looks like a good quip for cocktail parties, but I fail to understand its relevance. Of course, when I say the policy is for cyclist-inferiority cycling on bikeways I thought that it was obvious that the bikeways were the preference, but that the same cyclist-inferiority cycling was to be expected on roadways without bikeways.

Mos6502
11-04-09, 05:16 PM
I guess I just don't understand the reasoning that putting bikes on bikeways makes bicycles inferior.

My quip is suggesting that trains be inferior to cars, because they operate on purpose built railways, instead of the on the roads with other traffic. Obviously drawing such a conclusion (seriously) could only be achieved through some sort of non sequitur logic.

I-Like-To-Bike
11-04-09, 05:32 PM
I specifically sent notice to my peers, for their advice.

WHO (or what organization), specifically, do you consider YOUR peers on evaluating bicycling issues? Does anybody who disagrees with your outlook make the cut?

By what method did you send notice to YOUR peers that you were seeking advice on this issue?

John Forester
11-04-09, 05:43 PM
I guess I just don't understand the reasoning that putting bikes on bikeways makes bicycles inferior.

My quip is suggesting that trains be inferior to cars, because they operate on purpose built railways, instead of the on the roads with other traffic. Obviously drawing such a conclusion (seriously) could only be achieved through some sort of non sequitur logic.

You use the phrase "putting bikes on bikeways", which means kicking them off the roadways. The argument justifying this treatment has always been that this makes cycling so much safer that prohibiting the use of the roadway would be justified. However, bikeways cannot make cycling safer to any significant extent, and probably make it a bit more dangerous, besides encouraging negligent, and therefore dangerous, behavior by cyclists.

If bikeways are provided only for those who choose to use them, believing (I think incorrectly) that their advantages outweigh their disadvantages, that can be considered reasonable. But the right of those who recognize, correctly, that vehicular cycling is better than cyclist-inferiority cycling must not be infringed merely to satisfy either erroneous public opinion or the desire of motorists for bicycle-free roadways.

John Forester
11-04-09, 05:54 PM
WHO (or what organization), specifically, do you consider YOUR peers on evaluating bicycling issues? Does anybody who disagrees with your outlook make the cut?

By what method did you send notice to YOUR peers that you were seeking advice on this issue?

Well, such people as Steven Goodridge, John Allen, Dan Gutierrez, of course.

I sent them, and others, email letters.

While we have certain disagreements, we all agree that vehicular cycling on good roads is better in typical American cities than is cyclist-inferiority cycling, whether on roadways or bikeways, and that this is supported by the weight of the scientific evidence available. While many people and organizations have spent much effort trying to demonstrate that cyclist-inferiority cycling is safer or more convenient than vehicular cycling, they have failed to do so. The only advantage of cyclist-inferiority cycling is that it appeals to motorists and to people who have not learned to obey, while cycling, the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. Were scientific information supporting the safety and convenience of cyclist-inferiority cycling in a nation in which cyclists are free to choose happen to be discovered, we would have to consider the basis for our opinions, but that has not yet occurred, and, I doubt, from the Bayseian perspective, that there is any likely probability of such discovery.

Mos6502
11-04-09, 06:20 PM
You use the phrase "putting bikes on bikeways", which means kicking them off the roadways.

Well you have me there. Since by simple laws of physics no object can occupy two spaces at once, I suppose if a bike is on a bikeway at a given point of time, it cannot possibly also be on the road. But that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be off the road permanently.


The argument justifying this treatment has always been that this makes cycling so much safer that prohibiting the use of the roadway would be justified.

Always?


However, bikeways cannot make cycling safer to any significant extent, and probably make it a bit more dangerous, besides encouraging negligent, and therefore dangerous, behavior by cyclists.

Well everything being equal (which admittedly it is not), using a bikeway shouldn't be any safer or more dangerous than using the road. The second part is dubious at best - lack of education encourages dangerous behavior. You can go to a city with no lanes paths trails, etc. - and you will still see uneducated riders operating their machines in unsafe ways. This is not a problem inherent in the concept of bikeways, paths, trails, lanes, etc - it is a problem inherent in people in general.

In any event, using the term "cyclist-inferiority cycling" simply isn't appropriate unless the cycling really is inferior.

And back on topic even, I still don't see the generalities of the article being flawed even if we take into account your nitpicking of semantics. We're still going to see that major roads are more dangerous than minor roads, etc. It might shift some of the statistics a bit, but overall it'll still be much the same.

John Forester
11-04-09, 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by John Forester View Post
You use the phrase "putting bikes on bikeways", which means kicking them off the roadways.

M: Well you have me there. Since by simple laws of physics no object can occupy two spaces at once, I suppose if a bike is on a bikeway at a given point of time, it cannot possibly also be on the road. But that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be off the road permanently.

JF:The argument justifying this treatment has always been that this makes cycling so much safer that prohibiting the use of the roadway would be justified.

M: Always?

JF: However, bikeways cannot make cycling safer to any significant extent, and probably make it a bit more dangerous, besides encouraging negligent, and therefore dangerous, behavior by cyclists.

M: Well everything being equal (which admittedly it is not), using a bikeway shouldn't be any safer or more dangerous than using the road. The second part is dubious at best - lack of education encourages dangerous behavior. You can go to a city with no lanes paths trails, etc. - and you will still see uneducated riders operating their machines in unsafe ways. This is not a problem inherent in the concept of bikeways, paths, trails, lanes, etc - it is a problem inherent in people in general.

In any event, using the term "cyclist-inferiority cycling" simply isn't appropriate unless the cycling really is inferior.

And back on topic even, I still don't see the generalities of the article being flawed even if we take into account your nitpicking of semantics. We're still going to see that major roads are more dangerous than minor roads, etc. It might shift some of the statistics a bit, but overall it'll still be much the same.

To go to your last question, the intent of the reviewers, and my intent also, was to identify bicycle infrastructure changes in features that reduced the crash rate. The reviewers, taking into account the corrections in their data that I suggested, found no such reductions. Of course, it is likely that minor roads have a lower crash rate than major roads, but that difference is not produced by changes in infrastructure. We cannot expect that major roads will be reduced to minor roads so that the cyclist crash rate will be reduced.

You question my statement that prohibiting cyclists' use of normal roadways (we are not discussing freeways here) has always been justified by claims of reduced crash rate. If you actually question my statement, then please provide a example of several occasions on which the safety argument was explicitly refused when justifying prohibiting cyclists the use of a particular road.

You state that the term cyclist-inferiority cycling should not be used unless the cycling is really inferior. That's not the use of the term that has been established for years. Cyclist-inferiority cycling is that done by cyclists who consider their status to be inferior to motorists, as exemplified by the urgent desire to clear the way for motor traffic instead of standing up for their rights as drivers of vehicles. Of course, such cycling is actually inferior in the opinion of vehicular cyclists, but that is caused by the feelings of having inferior status to motorists.

Bekologist
11-04-09, 11:54 PM
The reviewers, taking into account the corrections in their data that I suggested, found no such reductions.

that is a ludicrous flight of fancy. what an imagination you posess, john forester!

No, john, they reviewed most all of the extant studies and literature and critically examined them for trends. These researchers have published a peer reviewed paper on the efficacy of purpose built, bike specific transportation infrastructure in mitigating cyclist injuries.




Evidence is beginning to accumulate that purpose-built bicycle specific facilities reduce crashes and injuries among cyclists...

Bekologist
11-05-09, 12:01 AM
JOHN! GET THE RUDIMENTS STRAIGHT! you have the gall to consider yourself a 'bicycle transportation engineer?' with such a gross misunderstanding of basic transportation definitions and useages, your screed is worthless in its inaccuracies.


You use the phrase "putting bikes on bikeways", which means kicking them off the roadways.

BZZZT! INCORRECT. please explain to the crowd how 'bikeways', which can include normal travel lanes, shared lanes, wide outside lanes, and sharrowed roads could be somehow misconstrued thru your filters as being 'kicked off the roadways'.

worthless interpretations, john forester. 'bicycle engineer' indeed! it's laughable.

Additionally, both bike lanes, and shoulders are considered part of the roadway by the federal highway administration.

all these most emphatically DO NOT 'kick bicyclists off roadways'. Your intrepretation is lousy, it is transparently, grossly incorrect, and it stinks.

I-Like-To-Bike
11-05-09, 05:04 AM
Well, such people as Steven Goodridge, John Allen, Dan Gutierrez, of course.


Of course! Your "peers" are selected by you and are the handful of people who consider you as the final word on Bicycle Transportation issues and know your typical vituperative reaction to VC acolytes who do not toe the line in deference to your "authority". No wonder your "peer reviewed" screeds get your peers' endorsement. Of course!

cyclezealot
11-05-09, 05:36 AM
Yes. Round about makes me nervous. It's the closest thing to bumper cars for adults.. Lane changing is out of control and where a cyclist places themselves is a mystery...
I sure recognize when the solid white line more resembles a solid wall between me and the street, I ride much more comfortably.
Oh if the rest of the world could just resemble the bike infrastructure of Germany. I think their highway engineers excel at the contents of this report.

meanwhile
11-05-09, 05:51 AM
You use the phrase "putting bikes on bikeways", which means kicking them off the roadways.


Couldn't this mean creating bikeways and giving cyclists the choice of whether to use them?



The argument justifying this treatment has always been that this makes cycling so much safer that prohibiting the use of the roadway would be justified.


I use bikeways in my town in the UK - but I'm not prohibeted from riding on the road.



However, bikeways cannot make cycling safer to any significant extent, and probably make it a bit more dangerous, besides encouraging negligent, and therefore dangerous, behavior by cyclists.

If a "bikeway" means a seperate facility then the above is very hard to believe. 90% of cyclist deaths come from collisions with cars; if a cyclist is on a car-less track then his odds of death surely go down by a factor of 10.

Unless you anticipate some truly amazing risk compensation behaviour - at least on the scale of tieing rocket boosters to rear racks and bicycle jousting with posion tipped lances.

meanwhile
11-05-09, 05:56 AM
You can only make a reasonable statement of views after you have read the initial papers that were reviewed, the review paper, and my review of the review paper. Until you have reached the minimal reasonable level of expertise in this subject, your opinions of this type are no more than hot air. If you want to develop the level of expertise necessary for reasonable discussion, then put your mind into doing so.

Why not post your letter here?

Bekologist
11-05-09, 07:46 AM
Why not post your letter here?

a 'critique' by a self professed bicycling transportation ingenue like john forester, someone willing to incorrectly define commonly accepted roadway engineering terms, is NEXT TO WORTHLESS.

invisiblehand
11-05-09, 09:26 AM
sorry, but I seriously doubt that John has personally read all 78 referenced papers cited in that report.

That, of course, I can't prove.

EDIT: Just read further in the thread. You're right.

invisiblehand
11-05-09, 10:28 AM
WHO (or what organization), specifically, do you consider YOUR peers on evaluating bicycling issues? Does anybody who disagrees with your outlook make the cut?

By what method did you send notice to YOUR peers that you were seeking advice on this issue?


Well, such people as Steven Goodridge, John Allen, Dan Gutierrez, of course.

I sent them, and others, email letters.


Of course! Your "peers" are selected by you and are the handful of people who consider you as the final word on Bicycle Transportation issues and know your typical vituperative reaction to VC acolytes who do not toe the line in deference to your "authority". No wonder your "peer reviewed" screeds get your peers' endorsement. Of course!

John,

When you submit an article to upper eschelon journal -- Is there a top journal that handles a broad range of topics in transportation? I'm thinking of American Economic Review among a handful of others in economics -- who do the editors pick as referees?

If the network of bicycle transportation researchers really is that small, how do you avoid group think and the like?

John Forester
11-05-09, 11:09 AM
JOHN! GET THE RUDIMENTS STRAIGHT! you have the gall to consider yourself a 'bicycle transportation engineer?' with such a gross misunderstanding of basic transportation definitions and useages, your screed is worthless in its inaccuracies.



BZZZT! INCORRECT. please explain to the crowd how 'bikeways', which can include normal travel lanes, shared lanes, wide outside lanes, and sharrowed roads could be somehow misconstrued thru your filters as being 'kicked off the roadways'.

worthless interpretations, john forester. 'bicycle engineer' indeed! it's laughable.

Additionally, both bike lanes, and shoulders are considered part of the roadway by the federal highway administration.

all these most emphatically DO NOT 'kick bicyclists off roadways'. Your intrepretation is lousy, it is transparently, grossly incorrect, and it stinks.

Bek, you have so little understanding of rational discussion that you attempt to play semantic games to suit your ideology. Bikeways are defined by law as: bicycle lanes, bicycle paths, and bicycle routes. That's the legal definition, and I adhere to it. You insist on adding in other names, not specified in the law, and then condemning me for making statements that agree with the law but not with your personal additions to the law.

Bicycle lanes are, by law, part of the roadway. However, they are no longer part of the normal roadway, and they are intended to produce operation that is in conflict with the normal rules of roadway operation. Shoulders are not legally part of the roadway.

Get your facts together before you split your brain with unlawful additions.

John Forester
11-05-09, 11:12 AM
Couldn't this mean creating bikeways and giving cyclists the choice of whether to use them?



I use bikeways in my town in the UK - but I'm not prohibeted from riding on the road.



If a "bikeway" means a seperate facility then the above is very hard to believe. 90% of cyclist deaths come from collisions with cars; if a cyclist is on a car-less track then his odds of death surely go down by a factor of 10.

Unless you anticipate some truly amazing risk compensation behaviour - at least on the scale of tieing rocket boosters to rear racks and bicycle jousting with posion tipped lances.

You say that you ride in the UK. The attitude there is far different from the attitude in the USA. The USA bikeway standards, and the accompanying laws, were designed by motorists, over the opposition of organized cyclists, with the purpose of clearing the way for motorists. That's the difference.

CycleBiker
11-05-09, 11:31 AM
Yes. Round about makes me nervous. It's the closest thing to bumper cars for adults.. Lane changing is out of control and where a cyclist places themselves is a mystery....
There is a huge difference between small roundabouts and mini -roundabouts versus large multi-lane roundabouts and traffic circles. With the small roundabouts you simply occupy your lane. All 4-way stops need to be replaced with mini-roundabouts to encourage cycling. Stop signs erected to slow traffic should be replaced with uphill priority cycle pass through chicanes. Unecessary stop signs should be replaced with yield signs.

I can't understand why people want to waste their time arguing away bikeways versus roadways when there is a freaking four way stop sign every few hunderd yards around here.

John Forester
11-05-09, 11:36 AM
John,

When you submit an article to upper eschelon journal -- Is there a top journal that handles a broad range of topics in transportation? I'm thinking of American Economic Review among a handful of others in economics -- who do the editors pick as referees?

If the network of bicycle transportation researchers really is that small, how do you avoid group think and the like?

I am fully familiar with the standard procedure for refereeing papers, for I participated in that for several years, and in many discussions about how it should be done. I have known, and obeyed, Bernard K. Forscher's paper Rules for Referees, published in Science, for some twenty years.

If you noted my account, the paper submission process used by the journal Environmental Health and its associated journals had six entries for suggested referees and three entries for referees to be excluded. So they considered the submitter's choice of referees, although, I presume, they were not obligated to follow the request. Normally, referees are anonymous, although I know of cases, at the top of the ladder, in which the names of the referees were admitted.

If you have been reading this material, you will have read that the situation of bicycle transportation engineering is not the standard for professional science. It is done by amateurs, simply because those with money for studies and projects fund according to the cyclist-inferiority bikeway cycling program.

Normally, referees are chosen from persons with a substantial publication record. However, there have been no professional publications in that field. Only Paul Schimek's Dilemmas of Bicycle Facilities and my Bicycle Transportation Controversy papers have been published by professional journals. Now consider those with substantial publishing history. Take John Pucher, so admired here. He has never published anything in the field of bicycle transportation engineering; all he has done is to collect population statistics. Take Hunter, with several papers to his name. They all have to do only with motorists overtaking cyclists, and fail to consider at all the major engineering problems of bicycle transportation. The list goes on and on. Consider the absurdity of the bike box program in Portland (and other places); any simple engineering analysis of the actual operation demonstrates its defects, although there has been much propaganda issued about them. Much publishing that has no engineering at all, and some that is intended to demonstrate the superiority of bikeways but fails to do so through bad management and other problems.

There are very few writers who have concerned themselves with the cyclists' safe operating method, its usefulness, and the design of the facilities that best provide for it. Therefore, the pool of reasonable referees is small.

You consider the problem of group think. Well, that's not a problem All chemists believe the periodic table; that's not a group think problem. The fact that those who have specialized in cyclists' safe operating methods have come to agree that vehicular cycling is appropriate is no more a problem than the chemists' belief in the periodic table. It is the most reasonable conclusion from the evidence.

Bekologist
11-05-09, 11:40 AM
good grief.

john, get the fundaments straight.

'bikeways' and 'bikeways planning' DO NOT 'kick bicyclists off roadways'.

Until you correct yourself, any input you have about the validity of studies on 'bicycling transportation infrastructure' is rendered worthless from your lying misdirect.

using your analogy, discussing bicycle transportation with a man like yourself -someone who holds such gross misunderstandings of the basics of bicycle transportation issues - is like describing valence shell theory to someone that thinks the periodic table is a list of magazines!

genec
11-05-09, 01:07 PM
John, the reality is that as long as cyclists are dependent on human drivers understanding and obeying the rules of the road, cyclists are not "safe" sharing the road with larger faster heavier vehicles.

The rules of the road are fine, it is the motorists that refuse to obey such rules that are the problem.

Even the most vehicular cyclist adhering exactly to the rules of the road is admonished to keep their "head on a swivel" due to the improper actions of motorists. That alone is cause for many potential cyclists to simply not ride a bike on shared roads.

Go ahead and throw all the probabilities you want at this issue, the fact is "the weak link" for any experienced, skilled, trained, cyclist remains, the motorist.

invisiblehand
11-05-09, 02:22 PM
I am fully familiar with the standard procedure for refereeing papers, for I participated in that for several years, and in many discussions about how it should be done. I have known, and obeyed, Bernard K. Forscher's paper Rules for Referees, published in Science, for some twenty years.

If you noted my account, the paper submission process used by the journal Environmental Health and its associated journals had six entries for suggested referees and three entries for referees to be excluded. So they considered the submitter's choice of referees, although, I presume, they were not obligated to follow the request. Normally, referees are anonymous, although I know of cases, at the top of the ladder, in which the names of the referees were admitted.

If you have been reading this material, you will have read that the situation of bicycle transportation engineering is not the standard for professional science. It is done by amateurs, simply because those with money for studies and projects fund according to the cyclist-inferiority bikeway cycling program.

Normally, referees are chosen from persons with a substantial publication record. However, there have been no professional publications in that field. Only Paul Schimek's Dilemmas of Bicycle Facilities and my Bicycle Transportation Controversy papers have been published by professional journals. Now consider those with substantial publishing history. Take John Pucher, so admired here. He has never published anything in the field of bicycle transportation engineering; all he has done is to collect population statistics. Take Hunter, with several papers to his name. They all have to do only with motorists overtaking cyclists, and fail to consider at all the major engineering problems of bicycle transportation. The list goes on and on. Consider the absurdity of the bike box program in Portland (and other places); any simple engineering analysis of the actual operation demonstrates its defects, although there has been much propaganda issued about them. Much publishing that has no engineering at all, and some that is intended to demonstrate the superiority of bikeways but fails to do so through bad management and other problems.

There are very few writers who have concerned themselves with the cyclists' safe operating method, its usefulness, and the design of the facilities that best provide for it. Therefore, the pool of reasonable referees is small.

You consider the problem of group think. Well, that's not a problem All chemists believe the periodic table; that's not a group think problem. The fact that those who have specialized in cyclists' safe operating methods have come to agree that vehicular cycling is appropriate is no more a problem than the chemists' belief in the periodic table. It is the most reasonable conclusion from the evidence.

Regarding referees, almost every journal I can think of is at least blind and sometimes double blind. But as a practical measure, it is fairly straightforward to figure out who is writing either the paper or the review. Besides circulating working papers one will see the same people at conferences presenting papers or giving talks on certain subjects.

Like a lot of activists -- i.e., the crazies here and at Chainguard -- I simply read what is freely available. Things like reputation and the rigor of the review process are very hard to assess from the outside since the set of acceptable assumptions appears to vary across disciplines.

It is clear that bicycle transportation research is a drop in the bucket and suffers from a general lack of resources and interest. To be honest, you stating that biases observed in small groups is not a problem in your small group fails to inspire me with confidence. My history of science is far from complete, but I seem to recall that the periodic table was painfully vetted out and went through several iterations. Chemists have moved on to other questions which are argued and examined in excruciating detail. Mind you, I happen to think that vehicular cycling is the optimal strategy for safe cycling in a wide variety of environments. But my casual reading of transportation science suggests that like many other discplines that deal with strategic agents, the interaction between engineering and people is not fully understood.

Anyway, you may not have many options regarding people who take cycling transportation science seriously. But that would be a reason to temper one's results, IMO.

John Forester
11-05-09, 02:48 PM
Regarding referees, almost every journal I can think of is at least blind and sometimes double blind. But as a practical measure, it is fairly straightforward to figure out who is writing either the paper or the review. Besides circulating working papers one will see the same people at conferences presenting papers or giving talks on certain subjects.

Like a lot of activists -- i.e., the crazies here and at Chainguard -- I simply read what is freely available. Things like reputation and the rigor of the review process are very hard to assess from the outside since the set of acceptable assumptions appears to vary across disciplines.

It is clear that bicycle transportation research is a drop in the bucket and suffers from a general lack of resources and interest. To be honest, you stating that biases observed in small groups is not a problem in your small group fails to inspire me with confidence. My history of science is far from complete, but I seem to recall that the periodic table was painfully vetted out and went through several iterations. Chemists have moved on to other questions which are argued and examined in excruciating detail. Mind you, I happen to think that vehicular cycling is the optimal strategy for safe cycling in a wide variety of environments. But my casual reading of transportation science suggests that like many other discplines that deal with strategic agents, the interaction between engineering and people is not fully understood.

Anyway, you may not have many options regarding people who take cycling transportation science seriously. But that would be a reason to temper one's results, IMO.

I agree completely with your statement: "But my casual reading of transportation science suggests that like many other disciplines that deal with strategic agents, the interaction between engineering and people is not fully understood." However, as always engineering cannot wait until perfect knowledge is achieved. Science has some greater latitude, but even scientists have to work on the basis of imperfect information, and they know it. If there is some reasonable probability that an hypothesis is valid, then one has to operate in accordance with it. You do the best you can with the best that's known. On that basis vehicular cycling has a very high probability of being better than cyclist-inferiority cycling, whether on normal roads or in practical bikeway systems.

Bekologist
11-05-09, 05:29 PM
that's a VERY interesting concession, john forester. "practical bikeway systems" :roflmao:

John Forester
11-05-09, 05:37 PM
that's a VERY interesting concession, john forester. "practical bikeway systems" :roflmao:

Well, yes, I exclude bicycle freeway systems from the realm of practical construction and practical politics.

Bekologist
11-05-09, 05:53 PM
what is a 'practical bikeway system' john forester, in your definition?

more basic and germane to the discussion, what is a 'bikeway?' you're the self professed bicycle transportation ingenue, please provide an accurate definition of a 'bikeway.'

you seem confused, because a 'normal' road can be a 'bikeway' and several classes of 'bikeway' do not 'kick bicyclists off the roadways'

please clarify your misunderstanding of these terms before any more of your rancorous, misleading blather about 'transportation infrastructure.'