"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Time Trials

I'm a 30ish female who likes to compete in time trials. I've ridden several road races of 45 to 62 miles and found them somewhat boring. Boring because I'm not strong enough to break away early and lead to the end, but I am strong enough to stay in the front pack and be involved in the finishing sprint. This finishing sprint business is fun but it's only a 2 minute event and it is very easy to get boxed out. To ride for two hours just to be jammed in at the end in frustrating.

This is why I prefer time trials. It's all you. No drafting, no tactics, no getting boxed out, no excuses. Problem is, there are not many around my area. (Massachusetts) What do you others think of time trialing? To me it's more like running where your time is a true reflection of your fitness level.

TTs are interesting if you're near someone to catch or keep ahead of. Problem is, that's often not the case. On a pure enjoyment level, I prefer cyclocross racing - there's always something going on. There should be lots of CX racing in MA. Given the seasons, no reason you can't do both.

...but then you win one of those sprints and you remember it forever. The fight for position with your teammates leading you up. The key moment when everything comes together, you fight through the hole and into clear space and then it's mano-a-mano down the last 200m and you are the victor.

Plus, retelling a sprint victory is tons more exciting for everyone involved than winning a time trial.

I mean a TT... what, 16 weeks of hashing down your functional threshold, power or heartrate numbers, geeking out on whether to wear this or that brand shoe cover. Then you eat something wonky the morning of your race at the breakfast bar in the hotel and you do your effort while wanting the whole time to throw up and die (perhaps not in that order) and then you finish and mill around waiting for someone to declare you the winner. How fun is that story to hear?

What category are you?

Being in (what could be a) successful break is definitely the most fun thing out there. I'd suggest getting on a strong team.

Massachusetts is a big place. There must be some TTs there.

new england is a moderately sized place. There must be some tts there.

ftfy

There's a time trial every week April-Sept in Concord, MA:
http://www.northeastbicycleclub.org/home/events/?c=cbtt

What category are you?

Being in (what could be a) successful break is definitely the most fun thing out there. I'd suggest getting on a strong team.

Two years ago I was a cat 3. Have not road raced since. What I did not like WAS the team aspect. I like winning or failing on my own. This is the interest in TT for me. By the way, Bill Rodgers and Steve Pre are my favorite endurance athletes. Rodgers, like Pre, was fond of saying "run the first half of any race hard and then go crazy in the second half." They were all about handling pain. Embracing it, even.

I'll be riding the Maine State TT series this year, in case you wanna try it out. ;) (www.bikemaine.org)

Depending on where in MA you're located, there is a TT series in Plainville CT (or somewhere in that vicinity). I think there is another one near Vernon, CT. Obviously these are during the summer. There may be one up at NE Velodrome in NH (a few exits into NH up 93).

I'm not sure if any of these ideas suits you but:
- a strong time trialer is always a good teammate to have. Although there isn't this culture of the "Jens Voigt" of women racing, strong teams always, always have riders who can pull forever as the base of their team. Then you get climbers, leadout men, etc. But to be able to pull for a long time, that's a special strength. You can leverage that into becoming an important part of a strong team.

- certain events favor a strong TT/pacer type racer. There are a few women that come to mind, pros, who can't sprint well but will do some serious damage if given a bit of room. Anna Milkowski is one of them (and local to CT). Courses where there's a hard climb long before the finish, allowing a strong rider to get out front, then offers the challenge of holding onto whatever lead, those races would suit someone like yourself.

- Track racing favors strong racers with leg speed. If you can get even small gaps between you and the other women, your strength can help you win. Simply racing on the track will teach you leg speed, or teach you that you need to learn track speed. I found myself to be in the latter example, and I think I have good leg speed. I really don't.

- Time trialing is a means to an end. Meaning you can go out and focus solely on TTs. However, even the best TT riders will tell you that group riding helps increase pace. The top riders may not do group rides for training anymore, but talk to any triathlete and they'll tell you that group riding helped increase their speed.

- Therefore, it may be beneficial, even as a strong time trialer, to go out and do mass start races (and group rides for sure). if this is the case, you would benefit greatly from spending some time thinking about tactics, about letting yourself get physiologically bored (i.e. racing at 90 bpm for a while), and start thinking of ways you can use your strength to get away from the field.

A team helps greatly in the last bit - you can be the decoy, but you'd be strong enough to win on your own if other teams don't chase. And teams can help launch you.

cdr

Depending on where in MA you're located, there is a TT series in Plainville CT (or somewhere in that vicinity). I think there is another one near Vernon, CT. Obviously these are during the summer. There may be one up at NE Velodrome in NH (a few exits into NH up 93).

I'm not sure if any of these ideas suits you but:
- a strong time trialer is always a good teammate to have. Although there isn't this culture of the "Jens Voigt" of women racing, strong teams always, always have riders who can pull forever as the base of their team. Then you get climbers, leadout men, etc. But to be able to pull for a long time, that's a special strength. You can leverage that into becoming an important part of a strong team.

- certain events favor a strong TT/pacer type racer. There are a few women that come to mind, pros, who can't sprint well but will do some serious damage if given a bit of room. Anna Milkowski is one of them (and local to CT). Courses where there's a hard climb long before the finish, allowing a strong rider to get out front, then offers the challenge of holding onto whatever lead, those races would suit someone like yourself.

- Track racing favors strong racers with leg speed. If you can get even small gaps between you and the other women, your strength can help you win. Simply racing on the track will teach you leg speed, or teach you that you need to learn track speed. I found myself to be in the latter example, and I think I have good leg speed. I really don't.

- Time trialing is a means to an end. Meaning you can go out and focus solely on TTs. However, even the best TT riders will tell you that group riding helps increase pace. The top riders may not do group rides for training anymore, but talk to any triathlete and they'll tell you that group riding helped increase their speed.

- Therefore, it may be beneficial, even as a strong time trialer, to go out and do mass start races (and group rides for sure). if this is the case, you would benefit greatly from spending some time thinking about tactics, about letting yourself get physiologically bored (i.e. racing at 90 bpm for a while), and start thinking of ways you can use your strength to get away from the field.

A team helps greatly in the last bit - you can be the decoy, but you'd be strong enough to win on your own if other teams don't chase. And teams can help launch you.

cdr

Very nice post. Thank you for taking the time.

I do not want to misrepresent myself here. I do not consider myself a national class rider. My game was distance running in high school and in college where I ran track and cross country. A knee operation ended any serious running for me. So now I bike. Started year-round riding 7 years ago. Commute to work most days and like biking in general. I did try road racing a while back and had no trouble advancing quickly to cat 3. This was because of a solid running background and few good female riders at the lower levels. Going up the ladder and that all changes. Problem was/is I don't like the pack aspect of bike racing. The drafting at speed allows lesser athletes to be in a position they have no business occupying. Or I should say, that is how I view it as a former runner. You cannot draft to any real degree in marathoning no matter what you might hear. Cycling you can. This I do not like.

So for fun I like to do cycling time trials. I find the challenge of concentrating without others around you to be just like running. And that is what I like.

Just TT in front of 50 people chasing you. Trust me, it's more fun.

Have you considered focusing more on higher end power to be able to break away?

Yes, time trialing is all you,but I personally think it is sort of boring. If you are in MA, you might consider doing the "hill climb" circuit, which is essence a time trial, but for me much more interesting. They are mostly mass start and of course do not require any fancy TT bike.

http://www.hillclimbseries.com/

In a RR, if the terrain allows it, YOU can make that race interesting by attacking.

To me it's more like running where your time is a true reflection of your fitness level.

IMO this is totally wrong for time trialing. TTs are reflective of homework and mentality not fitness. Sure fitness plays a major role in it but position and willingness to suffer are much greater. I am outclassed in the fitness and raw power departments most of the time when I roll up to a TT but the results don't reflect that. The strongest guys doesn't always win just like road races and crits.

Just TT in front of 50 people chasing you. Trust me, it's more fun.

as a former Tri guy... allow me to quote EJ, he nailed it.

TTs are fun (in a kinky sort of way), but TTing with a whole pack of other racers chasing you is a whoooole different sort of rush.

I've never come out on top in a sprint, (some 2nds, 3rds,.. never the W) but between being the pacer for a team at times, and other times launching completely hair-brained attacks to make people panic, I don't find racing to be dull in the slightest.

Granted - I'm not a huge fan of crits and the usual mass sprints, but the fact that another racer isn't as "good" as me (in physical condition) doesn't matter. They may be (such as cdr) smart enough and crafty enough to use my strength against me, work me over repeatedly, and beat me to the line easily. The name of the game is, 'first to the line' not, 'measure quads, WIN'. It took me a while to come around to that, I am now happy to pit my TT legs against someone else's sprint legs... different strategies for the same result.

This sport is a combination of very intense critical thinking (try thinking out the next 5 minutes of pack dynmaics while red-lining @ 197bpm) and also having the legs to back that thinking up. Some people win with more brain, others with more brawn... that is what makes it fun.
It took me several years to come around to this point of view- for a while I was completely upset that other people were "cheating" (drafting, the same reasoning you stated)... but now that is the part I love most.

FWIW, think ahead and pick your battles- hilly circuit races or road races might be a good setup for you?
I just finished my tentative schedule of races for next season... I am going to do crits for weekly workouts of towing people around and some sprint work 'icing' at the end, but my 'A' races are circuit races and road races where I will put that work to good use... stretching it out & thinning the herd on hills, and then getting away for solo or very small group finishes.

IMO this is totally wrong for time trialing. TTs are reflective of homework and mentality not fitness. Sure fitness plays a major role in it but position and willingness to suffer are much greater. I am outclassed in the fitness and raw power departments most of the time when I roll up to a TT but the results don't reflect that. The strongest guys doesn't always win just like road races and crits.

TT's aren't called the "Race of Truth" for nothing. You find out how much you really want to win. I've come in with below average form and left with one of the best times. And an empty stomach. And the inability to get off the couch that evening.

The two best things in racing are passing your minute person in a TT (especially if they are a rival) and winning, as the Belg's say, with "no one in the picture". Winning a field sprint, if you've done the other two, is third.

The drafting at speed allows lesser athletes to be in a position they have no business occupying.

That's what I hate about chess too. It seems as often as note the weaker athlete wins over the stronger one.

There's a lot more to bike racing than just fitness. If you decide it's not for you, fine; but road racing is a lot more than just a test of fitness. Figuring out how to win within the constraints of your personal strengths and weaknesses against those of the other riders is an advanced skill in itself. You shouldn't denigrate successful road racers as lesser athletes just because they don't meet your peculiar standards.

Whatever floats your boat. In spite of the fact that my one gift is an ability to suffer, I much prefer the rolling chess match of a road race to a TT.

Problem was/is I don't like the pack aspect of bike racing. The drafting at speed allows lesser athletes to be in a position they have no business occupying.

Calling these women "lesser athletes" is sort of like Ryan Hall calling Usain Bolt a "lesser athlete" because he can't run a marathon at Ryan's pace. :p

That's the beauty of road racing; it requires a multitude of skills and tactics, not just a high FTP and a tolerance for pain. I train for TTs, I want to get better at 'em, I did a practice one Saturday... but if that's all racing consisted of, I'd quit now. :lol:

That's what I hate about chess too. It seems as often as note the weaker athlete wins over the stronger one.

There's a lot more to bike racing than just fitness. If you decide it's not for you, fine; but road racing is a lot more than just a test of fitness. Figuring out how to win within the constraints of your personal strengths and weaknesses against those of the other riders is an advanced skill in itself. You shouldn't denigrate successful road racers as lesser athletes just because they don't meet your peculiar standards.

Huh ? I don't remember anything like drafting at chess tournaments.

Huh ? I don't remember anything like drafting at chess tournaments.

As a former competitive chess player I have to agree. Road bike racing is more like rolling commodity trading than a rolling chess match.

The drafting at speed allows lesser athletes to be in a position they have no business occupying.

That would be true if cycling were actually about who had the biggest FTP and the best power to weight ratio. But winning a bike race is about crossing the line first. Anyone who consistently is the first or one of the first racers across the line in a bike race is by definition a good athlete in cycling, regardless of how they do it. Bike racing is exciting and enthralling precisely because it allows riders to win by strength, smarts or (most often) some combination of the two. Riders who don't figure this out and figure that their weaker fellows should just be handing them the wins in deference to their obvious athletic superiority - and who get frustrated when the wins don't come - quickly become an irritating presence in the peloton.

That said, there are plenty of people are best at and prefer racing TT's, and more power to you if that includes you (by the way - search www.ne-bra.org for New England TT series). But don't make the mistake of thinking that a rider's 'right' to win is measured by her strength in a time trial, and certainly don't make the mistake of believing that a win against stronger racers is somehow unearned; it is ungracious and incorrect to think about bike racing in this fashion. When you get right down to it, it is basically a meritocracy: if you can win, win. If you aren't winning (or at least getting close), the most likely person culprit is you.

TT's aren't called the "Race of Truth" for nothing. You find out how much you really want to win. I've come in with below average form and left with one of the best times. And an empty stomach. And the inability to get off the couch that evening.

The two best things in racing are passing your minute person in a TT (especially if they are a rival) and winning, as the Belg's say, with "no one in the picture". Winning a field sprint, if you've done the other two, is third.


How about winning a road race by dropping the pack and TTing to a solo victory???? Seems like the best of everything!!

I did not mean to anger anyone. I simply view bike racing as a runner. Running is very different from cycling. What you think of as chess, I view as dreary. I'm only interested in spending myself totally. Someone earlier posted a hill climbing site. That appeals to me because it's hard to draft at 7mph straight up. If you love road racing, good for you. It does not interest me.

Thanks for all who did not feel the need to get defensive. I was given some good info here.

Thanks for all who did not feel the need to get defensive. I was given some good info here.

Welcome to the "33". Like racing, it can get competitive and rough at times ;)

Welcome to the "33". Like racing, it can get competitive and rough at times ;)

Thanks, Racer Ex. I'm a simple girl. I like simple races.

LL - I totally understand the sentiment of not liking drafting. I hope you race, TTs, hillclimbs, or anything else you like.

as I mentioned- I felt the same way for a while, but I slowly changed my mind the more I rode the solo events...

Race what you want, Race a lot, Enjoy it, maybe your opinions will change, maybe not... who cares - best of luck in your events. :-)

How do you feel about crits, where you can race for just 45 minutes before you get boxed in and miss the sprint?

I did not mean to anger anyone. I simply view bike racing as a runner. Running is very different from cycling. What you think of as chess, I view as dreary. I'm only interested in spending myself totally.

Then you really aren't a bike "racer", more a bike "rider", akin to the century rider trying to better there times each year.

At least you have admitted this, instead of the hordes of racers out there that never fully comprehend the nuances of a good chess match and struggle yearly as all they ever chase is a higher FTP.

Enjoy your TT's, if that can be done.

Then you really aren't a bike "racer", more a bike "rider", akin to the century rider blah blah blah testosterone fuelled rant.

You heard it here first, folks.
TTs are for wussy.
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Two years ago I was a cat 3. Have not road raced since. What I did not like WAS the team aspect. I like winning or failing on my own. This is the interest in TT for me. By the way, Bill Rodgers and Steve Pre are my favorite endurance athletes. Rodgers, like Pre, was fond of saying "run the first half of any race hard and then go crazy in the second half." They were all about handling pain. Embracing it, even.

I'm the same way - a runner that picked up cycling and tri's. I met Bill Rodgers as well as had the opportunity to hear him speak after he won a ten mile race setting an American record at the time. He used the work "crush" several times in describing the race and his competitors. He also used "destroyed" and "killed." He wasn't being disrespectful or anything; just the way he viewed competition.

I like competition but also enjoy competing against myself. I often do tt's by myself seeing if I can beat my previous time. I also enjoy tri's where drafting isn't allowed and passing other's on the course.

Then you really aren't a bike "racer", more a bike "rider", akin to the century rider trying to better there times each year.

At least you have admitted this, instead of the hordes of racers out there that never fully comprehend the nuances of a good chess match and struggle yearly as all they ever chase is a higher FTP.

Enjoy your TT's, if that can be done.

yes

You heard it here first, folks.
TTs are for wussy.
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Yeah, Fabian is a great example as he only rides the world TT championship. He would never race the tour, spring classics, World/olympic road race, just TTs :rolleyes:

whoosh

How do you feel about crits, where you can race for just 45 minutes before you get boxed in and miss the sprint?

Yea, but depending on how old you are you can live this dream upward of two or three times in the same night.

Man, it just doesn't get any better than that.:crash::D

How do you feel about crits, where you can race for just 45 minutes before you get boxed in and miss the sprint?

I do not have the nerve to plunge into corners at top speed with bikes all around me. I understood this early on and have never been attracted to crit racing. I do admire the nuts who do it well, however.

Then you really aren't a bike "racer", more a bike "rider", akin to the century rider trying to better there times each year.

At least you have admitted this, instead of the hordes of racers out there that never fully comprehend the nuances of a good chess match and struggle yearly as all they ever chase is a higher FTP.

Enjoy your TT's, if that can be done.

I already admitted to being "simple". I prefer checkers to chess. And I could never match your testosterone level - thank god.

the nuances of a good chess match

Spasky sat in for most of the matches. Notorious pawnsucker. Then he'd whip out his 1800w queen...


Enjoy your TT's, if that can be done.

Well, I will. And I left you something if you ever decide to do a stage race:

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I do not have the nerve to plunge into corners at top speed with bikes all around me. I understood this early on and have never been attracted to crit racing. I do admire the nuts who do it well, however.

There are plenty of racer types who think that anyone who lives for Time Trials is a bit nuts in there own right, lol. It's all a matter of perspective. :shrugs:

If TT is your thing, have at it. We have a couple of other folks here who concentrate on the discipline, so you are not exactly alone in the world. The important thing is having fun doing it.:twitchy:

I enjoy pushing my own limits and racing myself in training. When it comes to race time, I want other people around so I can make them feel inadequate.

One thing you guys (and gal) missed along the way to bashing my post is that I was actually trying to compliment her choice, but at this point Laurel Lane can disappear from the 33 into her TT'ing abyss and remember she missed nothing.

BTW - I am a better TT'ist than racer and stage racing is my best strength, so TT'ing is not a bad thing in this elder's book.

Now back to helping bike racers who actually race bikes.

One thing you guys (and gal) missed along the way to bashing my post is that I was actually trying to compliment her choice


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Tell me YMCA, how were the Alps this year in The Tour? Those pesky Spanish riders give you a go at the tree line? What a pompous ass. Just about every poster but you was helpful or understanding. Bugger off.

For the others: I have been in one crit and have watched others. Truth be known, for all around bike handling, short speed and balls, crit racing is the best test of a pure rider as I see it. But there's that balls part - I admit to being intimidated by the crashing that goes on. I don't want to destroy my bikes or my body.

Road racing is not for me for reasons already mentioned. I did not realize it was a federal crime to not like road racing but still call yourself a cyclist. J. Edgar Hoover of the YMCA is one serious crime fighter. I'll endeavor not to cross him again. He's so busy helping real bike racers, race bikes. (Jesus Christ!)

So here I am left to race a recreational-level Time Trial somewhere close to home. I have no illusion of glory. No desire to turn pro. I don't want special equipment. Just a race with my cylcocross bike and a bunch of like-minded riders. No Alps, no Spaniards. No blowhards.

Most of you understand.

I belong to a club that does weekly TTs. Perhaps there is one near you as well.

If you want to up the number of TTs, you might also try some relay triathlons - I do the Philadelphia Tri with my brother (the swimmer) and old college roommate (the runner) and have a blast. There are more riders on the road, but you're not supposed to draft and it's not a crazed peloton diving for the curb.

One last pitch for CX, it looks far more crazy than it is and even if you crash, it's on soft earth. The significantly lower speeds make drafting pretty much a non-issue. And, I, like you perhaps, have no desire to paint the asphalt with my face in a crit, but have no such anxiety in a CX race.

If you want to up the number of TTs, you might also try some relay triathlons - I do the Philadelphia Tri with my brother (the swimmer) and old college roommate (the runner) and have a blast. There are more riders on the road, but you're not supposed to draft and it's not a crazed peloton diving for the curb.

One last pitch for CX, it looks far more crazy than it is and even if you crash, it's on soft earth. The significantly lower speeds make drafting pretty much a non-issue. And, I, like you perhaps, have no desire to paint the asphalt with my face in a crit, but have no such anxiety in a CX race.

SDad: After thinking about your post, I have to admit it has merit. The reduced speeds would negate drafting for the most part and falling in the dirt is much different than eating pavement at 25mph. I ride horses and have never been hurt falling off one of those.

I live northeast of Boston. Maybe I'll ask around at the bike shops I go into. Funny, I never really thought about CX racing even though I own and ride 2 CX bikes. When I raced (ran) cross country in school it was always a good, dirty time. Thanks.

How do you feel about crits, where you can race for just 45 minutes before you get boxed in and miss the sprint?

I lol'd at this. Toooo true.

Ok FWIW, most racers aren't real excited about TT's because they know that they have a very low chance of winning or placing.

The same is of course true in a mass-start race, but at least you can kid yourself that, with the right circumstances, a win is possible.

Just my .02, ymmv, no warranty expressed or implied. And yeah, I do suck at TTs but can occasionally win a mass start race.


Edit to add: for me at least, the act of racing with a group is a huge thrill in itself. There have been lots and lots of races where I finished deep in the pack, but had the time of my life just racing. It's not always about the win.

Tell me YMCA, What a pompous ass. Bugger off.



You missed the entire point and pulled the testosterone card.
I've a million friends and zero enemies.
Plan on keeping it that way.

The 33 is a small crowd of encouraging riders who like to talk a bit of nonsense, so maybe hang out a while, read some posts, get to know everyone, then come back and see if you really understand the context.

Road racing is not for me for reasons already mentioned. I did not realize it was a federal crime to not like road racing but still call yourself a cyclist...

Most of you understand.

I don't think you understand.


The drafting at speed allows lesser athletes to be in a position they have no business occupying.