Foo - RIP John Jones

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/27/2009-11-27_stuck_utah_cave_explorer_john_jones_packed_much_adventure_into_26_years_of_life.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ut_cave_rescue_death

Am I supposed to be sad that a guy who purposely engaged in a very dangerous activity was killed by it?

What a waste.

2,000,000 points for your response.

The guy should have been on a bike.

Darwinism at work.

My only problem with this situation is that now they're planning on sealing the cave...

Up to six groups of people a day exploring the cave with no problems... one person dies, they seal it off forever.

I hate people.

My only problem with this situation is that now they're planning on sealing the cave...

Up to six groups of people a day exploring the cave with no problems... one person dies, they seal it off forever.

I hate people.

Yeah, they're missing the opportunity to sell tickets to view John's skeleton.

all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.

all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.

You can post my death in the cave spunking news.
I am sure that they all would greive...Haha

This is A Bike Forum.

I feel for this guy.
He was a slow rider like me.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Suspected-bike-thief-gets-hit-by-car/sd4hZ1sqlUaBSm9EXTPKOw.cspx

I am saddened by his death, too, but sealing off the whole cave to make it a final resting place is grossly unfair to everyone else. The one passage, maybe, but not the whole cave. That is like closing a whole freeway when one person dies on it.
I actually expect that it will be re-opened in a few years, later the bones will be removed and the whole thing opened again.

Lousy way to die

all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.

This!

Couch

I am saddened by his death, too, but sealing off the whole cave to make it a final resting place is grossly unfair to everyone else. The one passage, maybe, but not the whole cave. That is like closing a whole freeway when one person dies on it.
I actually expect that it will be re-opened in a few years, later the bones will be removed and the whole thing opened again.

Apparently there are 4-5 caves in the immediate vicinity and all the others were permanently gated, and this one was recently reopened after a temporary closure. So I don't really see a lot of future for it. But who knows.

I wonder if there's any comparison to Aron Ralston here, in the world of crazy Utahans; well, they didn't close the area he got lost in, not that there would be any mechanism to do so. Of course he did get out, even if by pretty extreme measures.

Darwinism at work.

Not really, it looks like he already procreated

the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different

If I die riding a bike down an extreme downhill and the thing comes apart on me, or I'm riding on a steep mountain trail and fall off an edge, then, yeah, what you said. But if I'm killed by someone else's stupidity, failure to yield, whatever, that's different.

I don't see where he did anything wrong, it isn't like he went out on his own in the night without telling anyone. He was experienced,with a group of qualified hikers. It was just a lousy way to die. It isn't like he jumped out of a helicopter onto an avalanche with a snowboard.

^ What he said.

File it under "**** Happens" and poor bastard, I wouldn't want to die of slow suffocation etc like that. Too damn young, and left a kid without a daddy. All kinds of wrong.

^^^^ and a child due in June.

It iisn't like he jumped out of a helicopter onto an avalanche with a snowboard.

Um, yeah, that pretty much is an equivalent. He was engaging in a very dangerous activity and it killed him.

^ What he said.

File it under "**** Happens" and poor bastard, I wouldn't want to die of slow suffocation etc like that. Too damn young, and left a kid without a daddy. All kinds of wrong.

All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.

Um, yeah, that pretty much is an equivalent. He was engaging in a very dangerous activity and it killed him.

All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.

Some people would say the same thing about riding a bike... whether on a road near traffic or mountain biking.

Then again, when my kids were little, I wasn't out playing in traffic.

^^^^ We're so lucky to have a smart guy such as yourself around. Fill us with words of wisdom oh great one.

All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.

While I do think most of your comments are pretty insensitive and makes you look like a total dick, I do agree with your post here. If you take the responsibility of raising a family, you should also take the responsibility of not risking your life like this. It's not your life anymore when you have children.

While I do think most of your comments are pretty insensitive and makes you look like a total dick, I do agree with your post here. If you take the responsibility of raising a family, you should also take the responsibility of not risking your life like this. It's not your life anymore when you have children.

That's absolute crap. You know how many people get killed driving to/from work? They should stay home and take care of their family. :rolleyes:

life is inherently dangerous.... NOBODY gets out alive. If you're worried about your family, get a big insurance policy and a good will. You don't stop living just because you have a kid.

That's absolute crap. You know how many people get killed driving to/from work? They should stay home and take care of their family. :rolleyes:

life is inherently dangerous.... NOBODY gets out alive. If you're worried about your family, get a big insurance policy and a good will. You don't stop living just because you have a kid.

Whatever dude. Your comparison is completely BS. Caving is very dangerous and while this is totally his decision and he has every right to make that decision, taking these risks when you have a family that depends on you is very immature. Life is dangerous, but when you make the decision to bring another human into this world, you should step up and reduce risks that could put them and you at risk.. Such as caving or other hobbies that are life threatning.

Caving is dangerous? Prove it.

Where is your source for this? He made a bad decision and paid for it. (Trying to fit through a space that was too small for him, NOT the choice to explore the cave)

People are horrible at judging dangerousness of activities they've never participated in. Take the people that think that riding a bike is dangerous... it's not, it's just not something that they have any experience with. And one time, they heard that someone got hit by a car and killed.... it was all over the news. So it MUST be dangerous, right?

Caving is dangerous? Prove it.

Where is your source for this? He made a bad decision and paid for it. (Trying to fit through a space that was too small for him, NOT the choice to explore the cave)

People are horrible at judging dangerousness of activities they've never participated in. Take the people that think that riding a bike is dangerous... it's not, it's just not something that they have any experience with. And one time, they heard that someone got hit by a car and killed.... it was all over the news. So it MUST be dangerous, right?

Yeah, I can see your point. Just makes sense that crawling around in a cave several hundred feet below the surface would be dangerous. Guess the same thing can be said for someone riding a bicycle with a piece of styrofoam on their head for protection against a 3k pound vehicle....

He made a bad decision and it cost him his life. And that isn't dangerous?

He made a bad decision and it cost him his life. And that isn't dangerous?

Attempting to crawl through a space that's 18" x 10" when you're 190 lbs is dangerous. Exploring a cave system that hundreds (thousands?) of people have explored safely over the last 50 years? Not dangerous.

Riding a bike drunk, in the dark, with no lights? Dangerous. Riding at night while sober, properly lighted, following the rules of the road? Not dangerous.

Jumping out of a plane while using equipment you've never touched, that someone else packed, and you didn't inspect? Dangerous. A properly experienced skydiver using equipment he inspected and packed? Not dangerous.


That said.... any of the situations I've labeled as 'not dangerous'... yes, things can go wrong, and you might die, anyway. Hell, you could slip walking out your front door, hit your head and die from swelling in your brain. That doesn't mean you should lock yourself in your house and refuse to face the world.

Attempting to crawl through a space that's 18" x 10" when you're 190 lbs is dangerous. Exploring a cave system that hundreds (thousands?) of people have explored safely over the last 50 years? Not dangerous.

Riding a bike drunk, in the dark, with no lights? Dangerous. Riding at night while sober, properly lighted, following the rules of the road? Not dangerous.

Jumping out of a plane while using equipment you've never touched, that someone else packed, and you didn't inspect? Dangerous. A properly experienced skydiver using equipment he inspected and packed? Not dangerous.


That said.... any of the situations I've labeled as 'not dangerous'... yes, things can go wrong, and you might die, anyway. Hell, you could slip walking out your front door, hit your head and die from swelling in your brain. That doesn't mean you should lock yourself in your house and refuse to face the world.

Yes, all these thing may or may not be dangerous depending on how you do them. You just confirmed what I was saying. This guy was exploring an unmapped part of a cave that he had never been to. That's very dangerous and I think even you can admit that. Doing so while having a family is just irresponsible. If you argue this point, then either you don't have children or you are irresponsible yourself and don't want to admit it.

Yes, all these thing may or may not be dangerous depending on how you do them. You just confirmed what I was saying. This guy was exploring an unmapped part of a cave that he had never been to. That's very dangerous and I think even you can admit that. Doing so while having a family is just irresponsible. If you argue this point, then either you don't have children or you are irresponsible yourself and don't want to admit it.

I fully agree with that statement.

Am I supposed to be sad that a guy who purposely engaged in a very dangerous activity was killed by it?

Jaa, it's called a sense of humanity, and you are clearly lacking it. Don't be surprised when some idiot says the same thing about a cyclist getting killed.

All this fuss over a dead guy, Guy is dead what does it matter, no reason to fight with each other over it