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I use Firefox. I don't understand why I'm logged out after <20 min. of inactivity. It's unnecessary and highly annoying. Can it be fixed?

I sympathize. The same thing is happening to us. This is the only forum I've encountered that logs you out when you're in the middle of looking at something or posting something. I have good days and bad days here. Just when this new forum format seems to start working better, there's an announcement that some new improvement has been installed which should solve all our problems ... and it gets worse. I've lost track of the number of times in the last two or three days I've had to refresh in order to see a thread or subforum because it just hangs on me. Maddening. I've started posting a bit more elsewhere.

Funny Rollfast, as Machka points out I haven't had television access for quite a long time.



Wow, because I can even find a certain model I used previously if I am lucky. I built my own antenna network and I have DVD, Laserdisc, VHS and even two busted Betas. I also have THREE CRT projectors, two Zeniths and a Sony. I have 5.1 in the form of a Yamaha Pro Logic decoder driving classic stereos and a 2001 Onkyo DVD receiver I got for a few dollars at the local auction and repaired.

I have TVs with tubes and not just the CRT.

What do I watch? Mostly PBS, news and sports.

Back to the topic...we have the buttons appearing and disappearing in the quick reply box.

I will attempt to post a picture again using IE SEVEN later.

Wow, I can get on at work again! Thanks, good to be back.

Got Last Post buttons and they work.

But what is so bloody difficult about fixing the tiny tiny edit box font?

I get this when i click on an attached photo link in a post:
Bike Forums Message

mikewille, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:


Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

Google, this page is about bicycles, bikes, cycling, road bikes, mountain bikes and other types of bicycles.
Log Out (http://www.bikeforums.net/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1261419885-586c750a796d9b97dc6c6408c67dd6d4f073cb1f) Home (http://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php?)

Was this in a specific subforum, or on more than one? Feel free to PM me, as well as a followup, as I'm getting ready for the holidays and am trying to keep a whole bunch of balls in the air.


I get this when i click on an attached photo link in a post:
Bike Forums Message

mikewille, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:



Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.


Google, this page is about bicycles, bikes, cycling, road bikes, mountain bikes and other types of bicycles.
Log Out (http://www.bikeforums.net/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1261419885-586c750a796d9b97dc6c6408c67dd6d4f073cb1f) Home (http://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php?)

I've been getting the IE cannot open the page, page aborted...but for a few sites, not just BF...IE7

Was this in a specific subforum, or on more than one? Feel free to PM me, as well as a followup, as I'm getting ready for the holidays and am trying to keep a whole bunch of balls in the air.
The link you provided straightened out the weird unusable reply page rendering,
and I can now actually see image thumnails and click to view them larger, thanks.

Site seems a little sluggish today.

Last Post buttons are present on the forum list but not in the Thread Lists.


This is an odd one: I visited earlier this afternoon, then came back about 10 minutes ago. At first the New Posts links to me to the newest posts in a thread, but shortly thereafter they started taking me to posts that would have been new when I visited earlier today. Like it's using the wrong cookie or something.


Site is still sluggish, with <1000 users online.

I don't have any issues other than I saw it's Tom Stormcrowe's BIRTHDAY and he's ageless? Oh, wait...not a typo, he actually is.

Overlapping and formatting issue on iSpy page, IE8 and Vista.

EDIT: I confimed that this issue is present on WinXP with IE7 too.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff135/sarverdv/ispy.jpg


-Shin

This is an odd one: I visited earlier this afternoon, then came back about 10 minutes ago. At first the New Posts links to me to the newest posts in a thread, but shortly thereafter they started taking me to posts that would have been new when I visited earlier today. Like it's using the wrong cookie or something.
Same thing today. This time I navigated to the new forum using the Quick Nav control. It displays the threads with new posts correctly (highlighted) according to the actual time I was last on, but when opening the thread it goes to an earlier post.

I can't remember if the earlier occurrence was related to use of Quick Nav, but I'll watch out for it now.

Same thing today. This time I navigated to the new forum using the Quick Nav control. It displays the threads with new posts correctly (highlighted) according to the actual time I was last on, but when opening the thread it goes to an earlier post.

I can't remember if the earlier occurrence was related to use of Quick Nav, but I'll watch out for it now.It's doing that to me too. In addition, it doesn't mark a thread "read" after that happens. You can mark it read by marking the whole forum read, but when you come back to it, it won't take you to then newest post but the post it took you to last time. VERY ANNOYING! Quick Nav or back arrow or clicking the forum name at the top of the page doesn't matter, it still doesn't work right.

(Firefox, latest update)

Search is partially fubar:

When I search from the Search Forum box above the thread list or a Show All Posts user page, it works fine. But when I search from the Advanced Search page, I get this:

Fatal error: Call to a member function allow_icons() on a non-object in /var/www/public_html/vb/legacy/thread.php on line 176

This has been happening since Day One, according to the complaints I've seen. Surely this is easy to find and fix.

The stupid "30 seconds between searches" rule makes this 10 times worse since it throws you into Advanced Search whenever violated.

did the text size change?

Yes, a bit. Edit box text is larger. If you're getting a page render with all the drop menus open, it's been reported, and we're working on it now. A little fine tuning on the upgrade this evening is in order, it seems.

Not really an issue, but an observation. When I visited Foo, it displayed 53 thread titles on the first page. Usually there is only like 20. Using FF. Lemme switch over to IE8 and SlimBrowser and see what happens.

And this page is w-i-d-e-r than my 16" laptop display. Maybe just need one of those cookie reset thingys.

Not really an issue, but an observation. When I visited Foo, it displayed 53 thread titles on the first page. Usually there is only like 20. Using FF. Lemme switch over to IE8 and SlimBrowser and see what happens.

And this page is w-i-d-e-r than my 16" laptop display. Maybe just need one of those cookie reset thingys.

Using IE8 now. Still 53 thread titles on Foo's first index page.

Haven't used IE in a while since the migration to vB4 (sparingly, really), but the pop-up dialog box actually seems to working now when using the 'Quick Nav' or whatever it's called now. Used to it pop-up under the main screen, but you already knew that.

Not really an issue, but an observation. When I visited Foo, it displayed 53 thread titles on the first page. Usually there is only like 20. Using FF. Lemme switch over to IE8 and SlimBrowser and see what happens.



YES!! Finally!! Thank goodness!!

Finally some improvements to the forum ... finally a forum that might actually be useable ... and finally a forum where I can read what I'm typing.

It's only been 2 months since the rollout of this new forum format before they finally fixed some of these issues.

YES!! Finally!! Thank goodness!!

Finally some improvements to the forum ... finally a forum that might actually be useable ... and finally a forum where I can read what I'm typing.

It's only been 2 months since the rollout of this new forum format before they finally fixed some of these issues.

I think that's because they tried to fix IE first...I've been hunky-dory for most of December onward other than a strange IE could not load the page and will abort that covers several sites on different platforms and is remedied with F5.

Glad you are at least 95% comfortable now. Please continue to help us if you would and thanks for your diligence.

So far so good.

Recently, after initially logging on, I'll reply in a thread and get a response that I don't have permission because I'm not logged on. It's pretty frustrating, but I've now gotten into the habit of copying my reply before hitting the "Post Quick Reply" button so that when the software responds with the I don't have permission crap, I log in again, go to the thread I'm replying to, paste my reply, then hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. That's the work-around, but it sure is annoying to have to go through that every time I want to reply to a post.

This happens with both IE7 and Firefox.

Are you using "Remember me" box? If you aren't because of a shared computer, as long as you remember to log out before you leave the forums, you'll avoid the timeout issue.

Are you using "Remember me" box? If you aren't because of a shared computer, as long as you remember to log out before you leave the forums, you'll avoid the timeout issue.
Tom, checking the "Remember me" box seems to have solved the timeout problem. Thanks!

I still have to log on each time I visit BF, and until fairly recently I didn't have to do that. It's not a serious enough issue to complain about, though.

Tom, checking the "Remember me" box seems to have solved the timeout problem. Thanks!

I still have to log on each time I visit BF, and until fairly recently I didn't have to do that. It's not a serious enough issue to complain about, though.

I have remained logged in for a couple weeks at a time (only having to dump cookies now and then for other reasons) and I went to IE8 and am back with IE7.

I have no idea why IE7 always cuts in at least once telling me it couldn't load a page and would abort...it's a problem on several platforms not just vBulletin 4 and still resolves with a refresh and must be IE. I don't normally wish to stay logged in so this is an experiment but it does keep me from timing out.

Tom, I noticed that on the "subscriptions" indexes now, we still see the date/time of the last post in the thread, but we no longer see the user name of the person who made the last post. Was it always like that or did it get left out somehow? I don't remember.

Are you using "Remember me" box? If you aren't because of a shared computer, as long as you remember to log out before you leave the forums, you'll avoid the timeout issue.

Really??? Logging out and then logging back in will solve the time out issue? That time out issue has been an issue since 2003 and I've never heard that solution before. I've heard that I should delete my cookies, and that I should use Remember Me, but never that I should diligently log out when I'm finished my time with BF.

Has this automatic logging out thing never happened to you?

Do this ... log in, but don't click the Remember Me box. Browse around various forums for 10 or 15 minutes, then compose a long reply to a particular thread in the Quick Reply box ... take several minutes to compose your reply. Watch in frustration as your long thread vanishes to be replaced by a message that tells you that you are not logged in and cannot post.

What's happening is that there is a bit of code somewhere in there that is set to log people out after about 15 minutes of "inactivity". I'm not sure what has been deemed "activity" on this forum ... but not much!! "Activity" should be things like ... clicking on a subforum to enter it. Clicking on a thread to read it. Moving the mouse over a thread title to read the preview. Clicking in a Quick Reply box. These are common programming settings and should be fairly easy to change and update. I brought this issue up in 2003 and a number of times since then, but all these years have gone by and no one has gone into the program and made the necessary changes.

I write on several other forums, and this is the only one that has such an incredibly short time-out designation. Most of the rest of them may log you out after several hours of inactivity ... and inactivity being no clicking, no mouse movement, no keyboard movement. As soon as you click on a thread or click refresh or something, that's activity, and you're in for another several hours.

I can see why a forum might want to log someone out eventually after a lengthy period of inactivity for security reasons .... but 15 minutes?????



And in other areas of difficulty ........ I'm still experiencing the situation where I click on a forum .... waaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt .... click on refresh ....... watch the screen turn grey ...... click on refresh again ......... waaaaaiiiiiiiiittttttttttt ... and then slowly the forum loads. Same with going to page 2 of a thread, or clicking on "Reply with Quote", or most other actions. I have some good days, or good time periods where things will load like they are supposed to. But I have a lot where they don't. I've become very familiar with my refresh button.

I've been continuously logged in to the forum now for about 3 years straight, unless I intentionally logged out for one reason or another. I always use remember me, though. I thought you weren't using remember me, so you could computer share with Rowan, was I remembering wrong? That's the reason I mentioned logging out at the end of your session.


Really??? Logging out and then logging back in will solve the time out issue? That time out issue has been an issue since 2003 and I've never heard that solution before. I've heard that I should delete my cookies, and that I should use Remember Me, but never that I should diligently log out when I'm finished my time with BF.

Has this automatic logging out thing never happened to you?

Do this ... log in, but don't click the Remember Me box. Browse around various forums for 10 or 15 minutes, then compose a long reply to a particular thread in the Quick Reply box ... take several minutes to compose your reply. Watch in frustration as your long thread vanishes to be replaced by a message that tells you that you are not logged in and cannot post.

What's happening is that there is a bit of code somewhere in there that is set to log people out after about 15 minutes of "inactivity". I'm not sure what has been deemed "activity" on this forum ... but not much!! "Activity" should be things like ... clicking on a subforum to enter it. Clicking on a thread to read it. Moving the mouse over a thread title to read the preview. Clicking in a Quick Reply box. These are common programming settings and should be fairly easy to change and update. I brought this issue up in 2003 and a number of times since then, but all these years have gone by and no one has gone into the program and made the necessary changes.

I write on several other forums, and this is the only one that has such an incredibly short time-out designation. Most of the rest of them may log you out after several hours of inactivity ... and inactivity being no clicking, no mouse movement, no keyboard movement. As soon as you click on a thread or click refresh or something, that's activity, and you're in for another several hours.

I can see why a forum might want to log someone out eventually after a lengthy period of inactivity for security reasons .... but 15 minutes?????



And in other areas of difficulty ........ I'm still experiencing the situation where I click on a forum .... waaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt .... click on refresh ....... watch the screen turn grey ...... click on refresh again ......... waaaaaiiiiiiiiittttttttttt ... and then slowly the forum loads. Same with going to page 2 of a thread, or clicking on "Reply with Quote", or most other actions. I have some good days, or good time periods where things will load like they are supposed to. But I have a lot where they don't. I've become very familiar with my refresh button.

I've been continuously logged in to the forum now for about 3 years straight, unless I intentionally logged out for one reason or another. I always use remember me, though. I thought you weren't using remember me, so you could computer share with Rowan, was I remembering wrong? That's the reason I mentioned logging out at the end of your session.

You always use Remember Me. That makes quite a difference.

Log out now and log in again without using Remember Me and see how quick BF is to log you out ... often right when you want to post something ... the longer you take to compose your reply, the more thought and effort you put into your reply, the greater the chance you'll be logged out and your reply will be lost.

A person might not want to use Remember Me for a variety of reasons ... for example, a person might be on a work computer, a university computer, a library computer, or an internet cafe computer. Remember Me can be useful, but there are many times where it is not desireable ... but even when a person would rather not post using "Remember Me", a person would like to remain logged in for more than about 15 minutes.



BTW - that's just amazing that you've remained logged in using Remember Me for three years!! Even using Remember Me, I get logged out about once or twice a month.

My point was, if yo do use remember me at a public computer or shared one, if you just log out before you click out of the forums, all cookies, etc, are cleared. Your account is not accessible to others.....as long as you don't let the browser remember your password. That way, you can use the remember me function to avoid timing out, and still keep your account secure.......as long as you remember to log out when you leave.
You always use Remember Me. That makes quite a difference.

Log out now and log in again without using Remember Me and see how quick BF is to log you out ... often right when you want to post something ... the longer you take to compose your reply, the more thought and effort you put into your reply, the greater the chance you'll be logged out and your reply will be lost.

A person might not want to use Remember Me for a variety of reasons ... for example, a person might be on a work computer, a university computer, a library computer, or an internet cafe computer. Remember Me can be useful, but there are many times where it is not desireable ... but even when a person would rather not post using "Remember Me", a person would like to remain logged in for more than about 15 minutes.



BTW - that's just amazing that you've remained logged in using Remember Me for three years!! Even using Remember Me, I get logged out about once or twice a month.

clicking the view post/trackback icon in a quote (i.e. click the blue box inafter Originally Posted by Machka) has gone buggy. it takes me to the beginning of a thread, not to the original post that it quotes.

Log out now and log in again without using Remember Me and see how quick BF is to log you out ... often right when you want to post something ... the longer you take to compose your reply, the more thought and effort you put into your reply, the greater the chance you'll be logged out and your reply will be lost.
That must be the same timeout that is used to mark all threads read. The one I've been complaining about (quietly) for lo! these many moons.

The mechanism kinda makes sense, but the timeout is too short.

That must be the same timeout that is used to mark all threads read. The one I've been complaining about (quietly) for lo! these many moons.

The mechanism kinda makes sense, but the timeout is too short.

It is way too short, and it should be just a simple programming change (i.e. finding the bit of code that deals with timing and typing a new number) to fix it.

Suggesting that we type our user ID, type our password, and then click "Remember Me" even when we don't really want the computer we're working on to remember us, is not a solution. It might be a workaround, but you'd think that after 6 years they would have come up with a solution.

Every time I post something, I sound like a dufus. Do you think it's the vB4.0 software doing that?

It is way too short, and it should be just a simple programming change (i.e. finding the bit of code that deals with timing and typing a new number) to fix it.

Suggesting that we type our user ID, type our password, and then click "Remember Me" even when we don't really want the computer we're working on to remember us, is not a solution. It might be a workaround, but you'd think that after 6 years they would have come up with a solution.


Here's a post from Rowan on this very same topic dated 2006 ... it's an ongoing thing which should have been solved ages ago, such as when it was discovered that the timeout is set to 30 minutes (sorry, not the 15 minutes I assumed earlier):

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?235984-Logging-out-problems&highlight=

Every time I post something, I sound like a dufus. Do you think it's the vB4.0 software doing that?

So you located speech features?

Machka you've got yourself in a lather and it's posted in multiple forums, please relax.

All you are doing is possible scoring automatic infractions and setting yourself up for a sanction for no reason. You give us questions with no context and become frustrated and frantic and push yourself into a corner and it really depresses me. You keep making a fuss about this but I can't fully understand why. I'm not trying to shoot horsehockey and Platypius is an IT with certification as I understand. We'd love to help you. I don't think either of us understands what you want and you don't explain why you think this feature is a security concern, it's just "you know". Tom or most of the admins here can explain better than I can but not without a reason to go on.

It's not the START treaty.

Machka you've got yourself in a lather and it's posted in multiple forums, please relax.

All you are doing is possible scoring automatic infractions and setting yourself up for a sanction for no reason. You give us questions with no context

In his other thread on this topic, Machka questions whether you are an employee. From what you have written above, I can't tell either. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

Other than Tom, I don't know who the BF/Internet Brands employees are either. Employees should clearly identify themselves through their signature, or in that phrase above the avatar.

The only problem I seem to be having is in the PM box ... I can send PM's no problem however the emoticons box seems to now be overlapping. Everything else seems to be working fine. :)

View New Posts results, recently read threads are no longer marked as read.
Firefox 3.5.7

Editor button fly-over text is missing.

On longer threads, the page count seems to get off. For example, go to the "helmets cramp my style," thread and go to page 47. As of now, that's the real last page. But it tells you there is a page 48. But if you click trying to go to page 48, it just reloads 47. I've seen this on several threads that have lots of pages.

On the new posts page it still doesn't tell you how many pages there are in total. It says "Page 1 of" instead of say "page 1 of 10"

Also on the post a new thread page, after the subject box, the next tab stop should be the main edit box - a minor niggle.

If there are a lot of soft deleted posts, the page count will be off. When we delete a post, we only soft delete it in case we need to reference it later or the poster makes the case sufficiently well that it needs to be restored. If we hard delete, it's gone. If we remove them from the count, then we'd have to rebuild the forum database to restore a single post.


On longer threads, the page count seems to get off. For example, go to the "helmets cramp my style," thread and go to page 47. As of now, that's the real last page. But it tells you there is a page 48. But if you click trying to go to page 48, it just reloads 47. I've seen this on several threads that have lots of pages.

My post count is stuck.

Not a major problem but at the top and bottom of the search results page it says "Page 1 of" and not "Page 1 of 10"

In his other thread on this topic, Machka questions whether you are an employee. From what you have written above, I can't tell either. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

Other than Tom, I don't know who the BF/Internet Brands employees are either. Employees should clearly identify themselves through their signature, or in that phrase above the avatar.

Or maybe we should all just play nice with each other and not worry about who's an employee and who's not, mmmmkay?

In his other thread on this topic, Machka questions whether you are an employee. From what you have written above, I can't tell either. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

Other than Tom, I don't know who the BF/Internet Brands employees are either. Employees should clearly identify themselves through their signature, or in that phrase above the avatar.

Mr. Melman, I don't work for them. I don't have enough boxtops.