News & Announcements - The OK, I need current updates on any issues you have on the forums software Thread

What doesn't work right, etc. I need screenshots as well. That will help me communicate with Tech, and have visuals. Don't post in here that you don't like the software, or that you want to go back to the old software, please limit it to technical problems so we can avoid having them scattered all over the forums. Also, feel free to PM me if you post something and I don't respond within a couple of days.

Thanks for your help in this, and we do appreciate all of you.

can we get a list on what was fixed and what was reported as an error?
(would prevent duplicate reports)

If it was fixed, it's not an issue any longer. If it's still an issue, it wasn't fixed either in part or completely. ;) This is the best way I can think of of getting an unpolluted comprehensive list of active, current problems still in play. This way, I only get what's still an issue for us to address.

Also, as this thread grows, read through it before you report and see if your issue has been reported already, if possible, and list that post number with your duplicate report. This will tell me if it's either a chronic or reccurring issue, or if something broke in the software. This way, also, I can keep my tech forum list of issues up to date, as well.

Tom, do you really expect people to read beyond the first post before they go ahead and post?

here are some examples of how bug lists are compiled in games...
"bug listed"
"confirmed by user/frequency of report"
"solved, yes, no?"
"possible work around"

some examples from game forums...
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=500049
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1028991
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106000751&sid=1

http://web.me.com/awcg/iWeb/Site/Bike_files/Screen%20shot%202009-12-14%20at%209.09.jpg
Here is an easy fix. The thought bubble icons are not linked to their corresponding forums.

Not so easy; Search.

http://web.me.com/awcg/iWeb/Site/Bike_files/Screen%20shot%202009-12-14%20at%209.13.jpg
Accessing the last post of threads over 6 pages thing is kinda irritating.

Noted, maybe not a deal but still...Posting permissions appear ABOVE where my reply window was until I went Advanced...CURIOUS, not deadly.

I downgraded to IE7 yesterday and ran into trouble with the ATTACHEMENT routine again. I will change the mouse and see if I have a messy one (*Aren't all mice messy?) to see if the photos work still.

The file upload thing is very unintuitive.
As it is now, I'm not sure why it makes you go in a huge circle.
"add files" > "select files" > "insert image" > "open attachment yourself" > "copy hyperlink" > "add img/img to hyperlink"

why can't it be more like "upload image" > "choose files" > (automatic insert) ?

oh, and here is the message/post overlap issue

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=128844&d=1260845809

CbadRider still can't log in at work.
She is using IE6 and it hangs the browser so she has to go to the task manager and kill the program.

1. It looks like the final page is 6 on long threads. This has been mentioned by other posters, too. Show it as 1 2 3 ... 13 14 15
2. Replies/views jumps into it's own column when the screen hits a certain width (narrow screens show it in the Last Post column.)
But it gets cut off - the column is too narrow. It's even worse when I use NoSquint and show the page at 100% with the text at 120%--which is my normal viewing text size for BF.
The columns look correct when expanded to the full 1152 width of my screen, but I always run a firefox sidebar, and that's too wide to read comfortably, anyway.
3. The >> latest post icon is really tiny.
4. The envelope icons are different colors-- but there's no hover popup explanation -- what are they for??

I'll usually either click the last page or the last post button on a big thread.

I'd rather have less preview text and more posts on the page, too.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_wc7ef8CMbxA/SycHIKvwRxI/AAAAAAAAC6Y/u05IPuyrSP8/s576/bf%20new.jpg

Why not make the "new posts" screen look and function just like all the other index screens (of the various forums)? It's so freaking ugly and requires so much scrolling down and then loading of new pages...

new posts screen still doesn't say how many pages of results there are with no option to go to the last page. Also when there are more than 6 pages of posts in a thread the bit below the thread title only shows pages 1,2,3,4,5,6 surely it should say 1,2,3...<last pages> as it did before?

How about the most fundamental of the lot:

Stop logging users off just because they haven't ticked the damned Remember Me box. It was a fundamental problem previously and STILL IS!!!

I posted in LD last night and went back to edit it, only to find more than half of it deleted when the edited version was saved again... and I was logged off. It comes after a litany of similar occurences with the previious vB version and lost posts, some of which took quite some time to compose. We won't even talk about how the ability of this version to communicate with my computer network has caused all sorts of lost-post frustrations.

This is the ONLY forum where this ridiculous action occurs. I should NOT have to copy a post just in case it disappears.

And to think, people paid good money to use this forum. Fools.

Place marker: All issues noted and copied to tech

If you click the arrow that should go to the next page when looking at the new posts list, it goes to the first page instead of the next.

And would it be possible to make "Quick Navigation" default to the current forum instead "Settings"? As it is now, it's quicker to hit the "Top" button and click on the forum name at the top of the page than to use "Quick Navigation". Or you could just rename it "Annoyingly Inconvenient Navigation".

Post reply still defaults to the Quick Reply only. The reply font in the Advanced Reply window is microscopic. I'm Using Firefox 3 on either a PC or a Mac.

I saw the "post/reply overlap problem" several times today. [Minefield on Vista] Not only the in-line reply boxes, but also the fixed box at the bottom of the page. When in this mode the quoted text doesn't wrap and there is no vertical scroll. It's possible that the reply is appended to the quote and thus displayed horizontally, but I didn't think to check that.

This issue should be fixed in the next release.


I saw the "post/reply overlap problem" several times today. [Minefield on Vista] Not only the in-line reply boxes, but also the fixed box at the bottom of the page. When in this mode the quoted text doesn't wrap and there is no vertical scroll. It's possible that the reply is appended to the quote and thus displayed horizontally, but I didn't think to check that.

1. Search Results pages (example, New Posts): Next arrow in paging navigation takes you back to the first page instead of to the next page.

2. New Posts search results page: Middle column with thread descriptions takes up to much vertical space.

3. Advanced search throws this error: (search term was 'Deal Extreme'):
Fatal error: Call to a member function allow_icons() on a non-object in /var/www/public_html/vb/legacy/thread.php on line 176

4. Search box in upper right of main navigation header is worthless...it takes you to the advanced search page rather than giving you results.

5. Image Verification for posting and new threads: unreadable in many cases, causing multiple refreshes to find a readable image.

That's just five that I remembered off the top of my head. Those will cost IB a buck a piece.

Wouldn't it have been simpler to just post the applicable remaining outstanding issues from your alleged bug list into the OP so users could just add what wasn't already there?

1. Search Results pages (example, New Posts): Next arrow in paging navigation takes you back to the first page instead of to the next page.

2. New Posts search results page: Middle column with thread descriptions takes up to much vertical space.

3. Advanced search throws this error: (search term was 'Deal Extreme'):
Fatal error: Call to a member function allow_icons() on a non-object in /var/www/public_html/vb/legacy/thread.php on line 176

4. Search box in upper right of main navigation header is worthless...it takes you to the advanced search page rather than giving you results.

5. Image Verification for posting and new threads: unreadable in many cases, causing multiple refreshes to find a readable image.

That's just five that I remembered off the top of my head. Those will cost IB a buck a piece.

Wouldn't it have been simpler to just post the applicable remaining outstanding issues from your alleged bug list into the OP so users could just add what wasn't already there?

Tom, do you really expect people to read beyond the first post before they go ahead and post?

here are some examples of how bug lists are compiled in games...
"bug listed"
"confirmed by user/frequency of report"
"solved, yes, no?"
"possible work around"

some examples from game forums...
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=500049
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1028991
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106000751&sid=1

bears repeating... no one will read beyond the first post when the thread gets long.
just take a look at the format and rip them off.
It's a forum we're working on. There are a lot less bugs than a game.
help us, help you with the bug reports.
as it stands now, you have to dig through old threads just to find the solutions to some of the common problems.

don't make us start a 'all your BF complaints here' thread :innocent:

Ok, let's look at two ways of doing index screens on this site. I've reduced the screen shots to 66% size so we can all see them easily. Sure, you can't read them perhaps, but you can see the overall layout in a glance.

First, the better way. Here's the index of the road racing forum. You can see 9 threads on one screen, you get details of who posted the thread, you easily see how many views and how many replies, you see a number linking you to the last page in the thread (page 253 under "my twitter feed" for example), you get the last post info/link, and if you want a preview of what is in the thread, you just hover your mouse over it like I did for the Vaughter's thread and up pops a text preview.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/4188319783_72fb68e8fa.jpg

Now let's look a the bad way. Here's the index of the "new posts" page. You can see only 4 threads, the layout is a total disaster and you don't get the info and link to the last page (no "253" under the my twitter feed": it just stops at 6. It's better than it was when it first debuted, but it's still a disaster.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2668/4188335361_920cec3a07.jpg


Now...why can't we just make the new posts index look like all the others!

Last page of long threads is now accessible--Sweet!

Thought bubble icons aren't supposed to link, they are just an indicator as to whether a thread is read or not.


http://web.me.com/awcg/iWeb/Site/Bike_files/Screen%20shot%202009-12-14%20at%209.09.jpg
Here is an easy fix. The thought bubble icons are not linked to their corresponding forums.

Not so easy; Search.

bears repeating... no one will read beyond the first post when the thread gets long.
just take a look at the format and rip them off.
It's a forum we're working on. There are a lot less bugs than a game.
help us, help you with the bug reports.
as it stands now, you have to dig through old threads just to find the solutions to some of the common problems.

don't make us start a 'all your BF complaints here' thread :innocent:

I wish you would just lay off of this prosecutorial NONSENSE!

We don't have a choice as to what software drives the site nor does Tom own the site. If we received a dozen rotten eggs than we will incubate grossly deformed chicks and they will call us MOMMA.

Do you know anything about computers???

I DO. That is why I'm trying to help by turning in screenshots and bug reports. This software wasn't fatal, we've gotten it out of ICU and into a normal bed and WE ARE STRONGER. So what if we did more R&D than vBulletin did in the months before...

OUR FORUMS HAD PROBLEMS BEFORE and they were not directly fixable by simply migrating them.

While I reserve my commentary I have no fear to tell you that you are too whiny and have an extremely negative attitude.

Resolve it and grow within.

Thought bubble icons aren't supposed to link, they are just an indicator as to whether a thread is read or not.

The blue ones show a hand when you roll the curser over them.

I wish you would just lay off of this prosecutorial NONSENSE!

We don't have a choice as to what software drives the site nor does Tom own the site. If we received a dozen rotten eggs than we will incubate grossly deformed chicks and they will call us MOMMA.

Do you know anything about computers???

I DO. That is why I'm trying to help by turning in screenshots and bug reports. This software wasn't fatal, we've gotten it out of ICU and into a normal bed and WE ARE STRONGER. So what if we did more R&D than vBulletin did in the months before...

OUR FORUMS HAD PROBLEMS BEFORE and they were not directly fixable by simply migrating them.

While I reserve my commentary I have no fear to tell you that you are too whiny and have an extremely negative attitude.

you crack me up :lol:

I whine a lot because I'm finding a lot of bugs, and I'm actually reporting them, oh and look, actually providing pictures too.
had there not been any bugs for me to find, you won't hear me whining. Part of the whining is definitely caused by the sheer scale of all the bugs, but also because PR is not doing a great job at satisfying the concerns of a massive amount of users.

What I'm asking is that users get an easy collection of links to common problems and known problems.
It's not helpful to end users when they file a bug report and don't get any feedback on the progress of a fix.
In the previous thread, devs would occasionally post to give us a confirmation or say it's being worked on, and when I say 'occasionally' I mean rarely. With a list of bugs and their progress report, users can at least see that it's a known problem, if its being worked on or if they have an easy solution. Most of them do have easy solutions, it's just that they're scattered all throughout this entire sub-forum and you either have to dig through it all, or you wait until PR shows you a possible solution, but there's always a time delay.
I mean, I commend Tom for actually giving person to person 'how to fix's, but there's only one Tom, and there are a lot more users. Instead of taking a ticket and standing in the waiting lane, a list would give users some things they could try out first. If the listed solutions don't work, it obviously needs to be taken care of through here or Tom.



Resolve it and grow within.
and I already did resolve it way before you came out with this post of yours.

you should learn to embrace change, and mock it's failings every step of the way :p
Of course I'm negative, who can be positive in this wretched world?
Of course I'm whinny, that's my freedom of speech right there and if you don't like it, you are free to ignore.

Still no luck logging in with IE at work. I am using IE v 6.0.2900.2180 if that helps at all. The top inch or so of the page loads and then IE completely freezes and I have to use Task Manager to kill the program.

I'll pass it along to tech.


Still no luck logging in with IE at work. I am using IE v 6.0.2900.2180 if that helps at all. The top inch or so of the page loads and then IE completely freezes and I have to use Task Manager to kill the program.

I wish you would just lay off of this prosecutorial NONSENSE!

We don't have a choice as to what software drives the site nor does Tom own the site. If we received a dozen rotten eggs than we will incubate grossly deformed chicks and they will call us MOMMA.

Do you know anything about computers???

I DO. That is why I'm trying to help by turning in screenshots and bug reports. This software wasn't fatal, we've gotten it out of ICU and into a normal bed and WE ARE STRONGER. So what if we did more R&D than vBulletin did in the months before...

OUR FORUMS HAD PROBLEMS BEFORE and they were not directly fixable by simply migrating them.

While I reserve my commentary I have no fear to tell you that you are too whiny and have an extremely negative attitude.

Resolve it and grow within.

OK Incredible Hulk who has grown so much from within you can't fit in your body any longer...

You mght think you know a lot about computers, but you know scant about customer service. And in this case, BF and IB have a big FAIL against their names. Active membership has now dropped to less than 13,000... thats around 4,000 in a couple of months who have dropped off the list, and it has accelerated since the changeover to this beta version.

It's a bit like a car company putting a new model of vehicle out on the marketplace with some "upgrades" to make it "cutting edge", and getting people to drive it... only for them to discover that it has no improvements, but really some major retrograde steps.

The bit that really broke me up about your post there is that bit about the problems before and how they were not directly fixable by simply migrating them. But the most fundamental of all, logging people off just because they haven't ticked a silly little box certainly has not been fixed on migration. The result is lost post after lost post, after lost post.

I would have hoped that someone in IB would have had the courage to admit an major error of judgment and to do something that would at least give us back something that did work albeit not overly brilliantly for some (but very well for me). But this whole thing has been shrouded in lies, chest-beating and incompetence (strictly an IB issue, and not Tom's).

Truly, IB should be offering red-star membership refunds to all those who were active members on that fateful day when the IB servers were "hacked". The financial impact might be minimal on a $100 million revenue stream, but it sure would show some goodwill.

Serious overlapping issue with the Search function.

Aw geez Louise...as if they can't scan this and 2-3 other nearby threads already.

And this is the time of year I remember a girlfriend who died of cancer on Christmas Eve...14 years ago now. I've been single for five years straight and the last girlfriend gets nostalgic and wants to get back together every six months. I don't hate her, glad she's grown and become a better person, I just gave her more than I've given anybody and it's in the past.

I have so much physical work to do here and then I have my time to remember my Linda and yet I have to wrangle with three new website platforms, a new browser, not having an actual XP disc of my own and a 25 dollar sale not happening that I wanted to use to send gas money to my brother as it was best for Mom, Dad and 5 kids still under their wings and all my other siblings have something for their families. I haven't been anywhere but a Christmas party in almost a week because one day of sun break was followed by rain and it was slick mush in a car.

It will clear now as 40's and rain are forecast steady through the week. Just let me have my pagan solstice festival and eat my evil leftover ham.



you crack me up :lol:

I whine a lot because I'm finding a lot of bugs, and I'm actually reporting them, oh and look, actually providing pictures too.
had there not been any bugs for me to find, you won't hear me whining.
Part of the whining is definitely caused by the sheer scale of all the bugs, but also because PR is not doing a great job at satisfying the concerns of a massive amount of users.
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I mean, I commend Tom for actually giving person to person 'how to fix's, but there's only one Tom, and there are a lot more users. Instead of taking a ticket and standing in the waiting lane, a list would give users some things they could try out first. If the listed solutions don't work, it obviously needs to be taken care of through here or Tom.

PR has nothing to do with debugging. If somebody writes about it then it is still an issue and must be dealt with. There are so many variables that even IT is being surprised with, then again that is why them have a job.

According to Tom, the beta'd attachment routine shown to them and the actual one given to us weren't really the same for an example. OH WELL. We've got over 20,000 regular users and some will back off until things are normalized, a few might quit (but nobody has officially notified BF that I can see and bannings haven't occured since 12-05-2009 when I looked yesterday) and most will jump right back in.

At 20,000...we are in no danger of dying on the vine.

Thank you for writing and remember, no one member is a savior. We are all here together for a common reason which is the love of freedom on skinny tires.

Serious overlapping issue with the Search function.

Machka, just for the satsfaction of my curiousity, what browser(s) are you using to produce these results and how might it differ in your other ones?

I have a feeling that since IE8 was introduced some sites have been trying to nudge us away from older IE versions and that the overlapping and poorly formatted texts I see are actually just incompatible with IE6 and 7. It is a might rude of them perhaps as they believe IE has always been a pain to meet W3C guidelines but on the other hand, as many have said, offices rarely upgrade until the monitors crack and bleed and also 6 may limit your office based browsing to things productive to THEM and can you blame them?

Okay, they are tight as a rubber band too :p

Why should you be offered a gratuity? IB didn't get what they expected either and don't you think THEY were chagrinned?

If you have paid but the smidgeon of attention you should be you'd see that the platform has been stabilized substantially. If you just want to complain about Internet Brands, find their site. If you are here to stick it out and be part of the solution, GREAT!

If you are looking for a handout become a LAWYER.

PS if the post quick reply/advanced etc buttons disappear, cut the dialogue and for some reason the buttons come back...I was making a quote with reply, IE7.

That is what is needed.

You watch too much television.


OK Incredible Hulk who has grown so much from within you can't fit in your body any longer...

You mght think you know a lot about computers, but you know scant about customer service. And in this case, BF and IB have a big FAIL against their names. Active membership has now dropped to less than 13,000... thats around 4,000 in a couple of months who have dropped off the list, and it has accelerated since the changeover to this beta version.

It's a bit like a car company putting a new model of vehicle out on the marketplace with some "upgrades" to make it "cutting edge", and getting people to drive it... only for them to discover that it has no improvements, but really some major retrograde steps.

The bit that really broke me up about your post there is that bit about the problems before and how they were not directly fixable by simply migrating them. But the most fundamental of all, logging people off just because they haven't ticked a silly little box certainly has not been fixed on migration. The result is lost post after lost post, after lost post.

I would have hoped that someone in IB would have had the courage to admit an major error of judgment and to do something that would at least give us back something that did work albeit not overly brilliantly for some (but very well for me). But this whole thing has been shrouded in lies, chest-beating and incompetence (strictly an IB issue, and not Tom's).

Truly, IB should be offering red-star membership refunds to all those who were active members on that fateful day when the IB servers were "hacked". The financial impact might be minimal on a $100 million revenue stream, but it sure would show some goodwill.

The blue ones show a hand when you roll the curser over them.

I see that but it's for the >> icon that takes you to the post quoted, as it was written and so was it done.

you crack me up :lol:

I whine a lot because I'm finding a lot of bugs, and I'm actually reporting them, oh and look, actually providing pictures too.
had there not been any bugs for me to find, you won't hear me whining. Part of the whining is definitely caused by the sheer scale of all the bugs, but also because PR is not doing a great job at satisfying the concerns of a massive amount of users.

What I'm asking is that users get an easy collection of links to common problems and known problems.
It's not helpful to end users when they file a bug report and don't get any feedback on the progress of a fix.
In the previous thread, devs would occasionally post to give us a confirmation or say it's being worked on, and when I say 'occasionally' I mean rarely. With a list of bugs and their progress report, users can at least see that it's a known problem, if its being worked on or if they have an easy solution. Most of them do have easy solutions, it's just that they're scattered all throughout this entire sub-forum and you either have to dig through it all, or you wait until PR shows you a possible solution, but there's always a time delay.
I mean, I commend Tom for actually giving person to person 'how to fix's, but there's only one Tom, and there are a lot more users. Instead of taking a ticket and standing in the waiting lane, a list would give users some things they could try out first. If the listed solutions don't work, it obviously needs to be taken care of through here or Tom.



http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?160-Forum-Suggestions-User-Assistance

I have a series of stickie threads with visuals of "How To", as well as the style cookie repair link in the above linked forum. As I get better data on chronic problems, I'll post more help threads for everyone AND I'll have good data for the tech guys, who are working their butts off, including weekends and nights. I've had to call in people at 0300 to fix a hard crash, and they didn't complain, and just got on it. I know I appreciate that kind of willingness to dig in and do the job. Meantime, I need to keep the data for MY analysis in one place, so when this thread gets too big, I'll close it with a redirect link to the next one.

... you know scant about customer service. And in this case, BF and IB have a big FAIL against their names. yadda yadda yadda
Those who think so already do. So why repeat it endlessly? Posting it here accomplishes nothing. It certainly doesn't help fix the mess.



Find the program manager and personally beat him up. That might relieve your frustration...

Say, what's the eagle (?) icon next to user name? Is that the legendary Igor?




What the hell's an Igor?

Yep, it's awarded for public service.


Say, what's the eagle (?) icon next to user name? Is that the legendary Igor?




What the hell's an Igor?

http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?160-Forum-Suggestions-User-Assistance

I have a series of stickie threads with visuals of "How To", as well as the style cookie repair link in the above linked forum. As I get better data on chronic problems, I'll post more help threads for everyone AND I'll have good data for the tech guys, who are working their butts off, including weekends and nights. I've had to call in people at 0300 to fix a hard crash, and they didn't complain, and just got on it. I know I appreciate that kind of willingness to dig in and do the job. Meantime, I need to keep the data for MY analysis in one place, so when this thread gets too big, I'll close it with a redirect link to the next one.

ok, see, I didn't even know that section existed.
If the amount of reports really start getting out of hand, probably some duplication in the OPs of key threads or site announcments with links attached might be good until it's all sorted out.


as to why I have an igor, I have no idea.

Maybe it doesn't take much in Wussyville?


:D

I figure that surviving on Ontario in the Winter is good enough. :p


ok, see, I didn't even know that section existed.
If the amount of reports really start getting out of hand, probably some duplication in the OPs of key threads or site announcments with links attached might be good until it's all sorted out.


as to why I have an igor, I have no idea.

You watch too much television.

You don't have a clue. Rowan hasn't had a television since 2005. How about you? And what on earth does television have to do with it anyway????

And I use IE8.

Hey all, want to chime in with my own thanks for your continued help trying to nail down the issues in this new software. I'm looking at the page source for the forum, and it appears that IE8 users should be seeing the forum in what Microsoft calls "IE7 Compatibility Mode". While it's not perfect, it is supposed to get IE8 to display pages much closer to how it would in IE7 - which for most websites renders correctly. We also have special CSS classes that should help IE6 users get the best rendering possible. I haven't looked at what all the IE6 CSS has in it and what trickery that the developers have had to employ to get it looking the way it is, but I can relate that they are at least making an effort to support as wide of range of browsers as possible. It is easy for us to say we would have done things differently, never released this software in this state, etc etc - especially those of us who are software developers ourselves. But we didn't write it, we weren't on the development staff nor on the management of the project so it's hard to say what decisions (good or bad) were made that led us to where we are here. What we can do is try to present the issues we have in clearest possible way so that they can be resolved as quickly as possible.

Oh, and Tom, I agree that the envelope icon should link you to the thread. It's a huge icon next to a thread, why WOULDN'T it be a link to the thread? Seems like an obvious UI design element to me.

I'll Work on it. I don't know any reason it couldn't happen, after all (but I'm not a huge code guy....). I'll talk to tech.


Oh, and Tom, I agree that the envelope icon should link you to the thread. It's a huge icon next to a thread, why WOULDN'T it be a link to the thread? Seems like an obvious UI design element to me.

I'll Work on it. I don't know any reason it couldn't happen, after all (but I'm not a huge code guy....). I'll talk to tech.

Not knowing the extent of the templating they've got going on, I can't say how easy it'll be, but at worst it would be a code change that either needs to happen, or was meant to be included. As mentioned the envelope gives you the "pointer" cursor and a tooltip when you hover over it (tooltip is empty btw, but sized as if it should have text in it) because there is already an anchor tag surrounding the status icon, it just doesn't have a href set to send you on your way.

Why not just remove the envelopes completely? They serve no necessary purpose and just take up space.

If you want to distinguish between read and unread messages, just do it with the color or boldness of the words of the message title (i.e. "The OK, I need current updates...")

OK, again, for the purposes of this thread: We are gathering bug reports about nonfunctionality issues on the forums. I asked everyone to NOT put in comments about the style or appearance of the forum, since we aren't going to be changing any skin features untial agfter the "Gold" release on vB4.

Funny Rollfast, as Machka points out I haven't had television access for quite a long time.

I didn't pay $25 to access this site, because after Joe sold out, I saw no point in supporting a major corporate company that has offered scant regard when compared with other forums. Hell, the active membership has dropped below 12,000, yet IB seems to think it doesn't have to do anything to halt the decline except persuade people like you to do their bidding and to tell people to "grow within".

Stabilised platform? You ARE joking aren't you? For ordinary users like me, it is still performing like rubbish. Like I said, you might know a smidgeon about computers (if that), but you know diddly squat about customer interface.

I bet you are one of those people who just love one kind of internet browser and build your system around that. Of course, anyone who has dabbled in the internet knows that you have to test with all the major browsers to see that they work.

Which leads me to say I use Firefox, and for Tom's reference ... I notice that when I press the Reply to Thread button either as a yet-to-be logged in user or even after logging in, it comes up with the Reply box with a quote from the very last poster. Why is this? I don't want a quote from the very last poster... I just want to post a reply without having to define and delete.

Yes, yes, I know, there is the quick reply dialogue box already there, so why don't I use that? Well, NOT when I haven't logged in yet.


And for new users unfamiliar with the "system", they will see a "Reply with Quote" option, and a "+Reply to Thread" option... which seems to one and the same thing. At least on Firefox and my pocketbook... you know, Rollfast, one of the more popular browsers on one of the ever increasingly popular machines.

Oh yeah, and when I tried to post this fhe first time, nothing happened... KI was logged out again.