umd
12-24-09, 08:28 PM
Anyone familar with this ride? I've ridden most of the route at various times but never actually done the ride. I've seen referene to "seven minute hill" on Mulholland but not sure exactly where it is.
Southern California - Simi Ride
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12-24-09, 10:15 PM
Simi Ride is great. Lots of descriptions around, but here is a recent one that went out from someone in my club:
There are 3 routes on the full on Simi Route. Typically its only full on in December. So you will have to check with the riders when you arrive as to what the deal is.
Survivable: Short. This is where the riders turn LEFT after having gone along Los Angeles (The Start of the Ride goes flat and straight on Los Angeles for the first 30 minutes or so).
Tough: Norwegian. You dont turn Left on Los Angeles and go straight up the first climb called Norwegian. This immediately puts you in the redzone and off the back grappling to stay connected. Now you get to try and recover as the ride continues on at a blistering pace.
Impossible: Easy Street. Turn Right instead of Left at the end of Los Angeles. This typically only starts later on in the season usually towards the end of December. The hard core riders (Thurlow Rogers et company) and the Pro riders will go this route. It adds rollers climbs and a pace that makes your normal road race seem like a walk in the park.
Here's my thought as a solid Cat 4 racer who can climb better than average but not like the "Climbers" Go Short for your first few rides. Once you feel up to it go Norwegian and maybe on that extra special day your feeling gutsy go Easy Street. Keep in mind if you get dropped your gone on Easy street.
Its doable on the short version but you will be working very hard. It is essentially a road race.
A few tips: The group stops at a park about mid way in the ride. Dont mess around. Go straight to the Bathroom, get water and eat up. Then wait for the group to roll out. You dont want to be chasing the group as they leave the park.
For the mileage. It is about 65 miles going short. Going Norwegian only adds a few miles. All routes regroup at the Park pit stop. You start at 8 and your done by about 11:00 am.
Park at the McDonalds at Valley Circle off ramp of 101 and ride over to the start. You need to be rolling at 7:30 a,m sharp. There is a group that does this so hook up with them.
When the ride is over and you are totally wasted the last thing you want to do is ride the 8 junk miles of rollers back to the start of the ride. The finish is only about 2 miles of all downhill to the place where you parked at Valley Circle
Have fun its the best training ride out there.
Seven minute hill is an offshoot from Mulholland (Dry Canyon Cold Creek Rd) here (http://tinyurl.com/yffkc74). As you can tell by the name, it is short... and not very steep. But it's at the very end of a hard ride, and most people are going all out.
There are 3 routes on the full on Simi Route. Typically its only full on in December. So you will have to check with the riders when you arrive as to what the deal is.
Survivable: Short. This is where the riders turn LEFT after having gone along Los Angeles (The Start of the Ride goes flat and straight on Los Angeles for the first 30 minutes or so).
Tough: Norwegian. You dont turn Left on Los Angeles and go straight up the first climb called Norwegian. This immediately puts you in the redzone and off the back grappling to stay connected. Now you get to try and recover as the ride continues on at a blistering pace.
Impossible: Easy Street. Turn Right instead of Left at the end of Los Angeles. This typically only starts later on in the season usually towards the end of December. The hard core riders (Thurlow Rogers et company) and the Pro riders will go this route. It adds rollers climbs and a pace that makes your normal road race seem like a walk in the park.
Here's my thought as a solid Cat 4 racer who can climb better than average but not like the "Climbers" Go Short for your first few rides. Once you feel up to it go Norwegian and maybe on that extra special day your feeling gutsy go Easy Street. Keep in mind if you get dropped your gone on Easy street.
Its doable on the short version but you will be working very hard. It is essentially a road race.
A few tips: The group stops at a park about mid way in the ride. Dont mess around. Go straight to the Bathroom, get water and eat up. Then wait for the group to roll out. You dont want to be chasing the group as they leave the park.
For the mileage. It is about 65 miles going short. Going Norwegian only adds a few miles. All routes regroup at the Park pit stop. You start at 8 and your done by about 11:00 am.
Park at the McDonalds at Valley Circle off ramp of 101 and ride over to the start. You need to be rolling at 7:30 a,m sharp. There is a group that does this so hook up with them.
When the ride is over and you are totally wasted the last thing you want to do is ride the 8 junk miles of rollers back to the start of the ride. The finish is only about 2 miles of all downhill to the place where you parked at Valley Circle
Have fun its the best training ride out there.
Seven minute hill is an offshoot from Mulholland (Dry Canyon Cold Creek Rd) here (http://tinyurl.com/yffkc74). As you can tell by the name, it is short... and not very steep. But it's at the very end of a hard ride, and most people are going all out.
esammuli
12-24-09, 10:23 PM
I'd suggest taking the hard (right) option. You'd be one of the top 3-5 riders in the middle option.
mkadam68
12-25-09, 08:08 AM
I've seen referene to "seven minute hill" on Mulholland but not sure exactly where it is.
Seven minute hill is an offshoot from Mulholland (Dry Canyon Cold Creek Rd) here (http://tinyurl.com/yffkc74). As you can tell by the name, it is short... and not very steep. But it's at the very end of a hard ride, and most people are going all out.In the Google Map Vance posted, it's the "Dry Canyon Cold Creek" road. It runs parallel to Mulholland for a couple miles, avoiding traffic. It's lined with homes and curves & twists up the hill. But, like he said, it's not very steep--it can't be as even I enjoy it.
Seven minute hill is an offshoot from Mulholland (Dry Canyon Cold Creek Rd) here (http://tinyurl.com/yffkc74). As you can tell by the name, it is short... and not very steep. But it's at the very end of a hard ride, and most people are going all out.In the Google Map Vance posted, it's the "Dry Canyon Cold Creek" road. It runs parallel to Mulholland for a couple miles, avoiding traffic. It's lined with homes and curves & twists up the hill. But, like he said, it's not very steep--it can't be as even I enjoy it.
urbanknight
12-25-09, 10:23 AM
^ I enjoy it so much, it's called 14 minute hill to me :D
umd, I don't know anything about the rides in your area, but the Simi ride is one of the more challenging ones. I find it harder to keep up than the Montrose or Donut rides, mostly because they just don't seem to slow down on the climbs like I do.
umd, I don't know anything about the rides in your area, but the Simi ride is one of the more challenging ones. I find it harder to keep up than the Montrose or Donut rides, mostly because they just don't seem to slow down on the climbs like I do.
KiddSisko
12-25-09, 12:29 PM
In the Google Map Vance posted, it's the "Dry Canyon Cold Creek" road. It runs parallel to Mulholland for a couple miles, avoiding traffic. It's lined with homes and curves & twists up the hill. But, like he said, it's not very steep--it can't be as even I enjoy it.
I always thought the 7 minute hill was the Mulholland route, while the Dry Canyon route was just an alternate. Turning off Mulholland as a sizable group can be challenging, no? If I'm not mistaken, that is also the last challenging climb before you roll back down into Calabasas and the SF valley for those on the longer Simi routes.
I don't know exactly where the clock officially begins on that ascent, but for the record, last weekend I did it in 11 minutes, at a medium pace. I went up Mulholland though, and I think I started timing at the intersection of Dry Canyon.
I always thought the 7 minute hill was the Mulholland route, while the Dry Canyon route was just an alternate. Turning off Mulholland as a sizable group can be challenging, no? If I'm not mistaken, that is also the last challenging climb before you roll back down into Calabasas and the SF valley for those on the longer Simi routes.
I don't know exactly where the clock officially begins on that ascent, but for the record, last weekend I did it in 11 minutes, at a medium pace. I went up Mulholland though, and I think I started timing at the intersection of Dry Canyon.
umd
12-25-09, 02:08 PM
I'd suggest taking the hard (right) option. You'd be one of the top 3-5 riders in the middle option.
umd, I don't know anything about the rides in your area, but the Simi ride is one of the more challenging ones. I find it harder to keep up than the Montrose or Donut rides, mostly because they just don't seem to slow down on the climbs like I do.
My coach's notes in my workout schedule say "-4hrs Group ride (Simi Valley), ride is very hard, you will like it. " :D
He also told me that the intensity is similar to our Sunday ride, but lasts for longer.
Turning off Mulholland as a sizable group can be challenging, no?
I imagine the group would not be very large at that point...
umd, I don't know anything about the rides in your area, but the Simi ride is one of the more challenging ones. I find it harder to keep up than the Montrose or Donut rides, mostly because they just don't seem to slow down on the climbs like I do.
My coach's notes in my workout schedule say "-4hrs Group ride (Simi Valley), ride is very hard, you will like it. " :D
He also told me that the intensity is similar to our Sunday ride, but lasts for longer.
Turning off Mulholland as a sizable group can be challenging, no?
I imagine the group would not be very large at that point...
umd
12-26-09, 04:54 PM
I started with a warmup up the Santa Susana Pass with some random riders that were passing by my car as I got ready. I didn't know how long it would take to get there or exactly when they left so I got there early and watched the group get larger and larger. About 8:35 there were some announcements. I guess they don't do the "Easy Street" route until next week. Ride was pretty hard but not too bad, I guess they really up the intensity in January. There were well over 150 people. Dare I guess 200?
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
ChrizzleDizzle6
12-26-09, 05:13 PM
I started with a warmup up the Santa Susana Pass with some random riders that were passing by my car as I got ready. I didn't know how long it would take to get there or exactly when they left so I got there early and watched the group get larger and larger. About 8:35 there were some announcements. I guess they don't do the "Easy Street" route until next week. Ride was pretty hard but not too bad, I guess they really up the intensity in January. There were well over 150 people. Dare I guess 200?
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
dang im so jealous
i'd seriously die trying to ride that much haha
i went out today myself only for an hour and a half
if your familiar with TO, i started at the TO library and up janss rd.
then i approached Erbes Rd. and turned right and went down to Hillcrest where i turned left.
took Hillcrest all the way to Westlake blvd. where i turned left and took Westlake Blvd. all the way down to Avenida De Los Arboles.
turned left onto Arboles and went until i approached Erbes Rd. again where i turned left and took that unitl Janss rd again and arrived at my car.
im a failure and deleted my odo reading by accident so i didnt get to see how long it was :( so ill do it tomorrow again and see
i was tired at the end haha i need to do it more! but this sounds so weak compared to ur ride! good job!
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
dang im so jealous
i'd seriously die trying to ride that much haha
i went out today myself only for an hour and a half
if your familiar with TO, i started at the TO library and up janss rd.
then i approached Erbes Rd. and turned right and went down to Hillcrest where i turned left.
took Hillcrest all the way to Westlake blvd. where i turned left and took Westlake Blvd. all the way down to Avenida De Los Arboles.
turned left onto Arboles and went until i approached Erbes Rd. again where i turned left and took that unitl Janss rd again and arrived at my car.
im a failure and deleted my odo reading by accident so i didnt get to see how long it was :( so ill do it tomorrow again and see
i was tired at the end haha i need to do it more! but this sounds so weak compared to ur ride! good job!
agarose2000
12-26-09, 05:24 PM
That's an awesome report, umd. Sounds like you're right there in the mix - I'd expect no less. Bummer about the fall but good that you didn't get taken out. Nice wattage.
I only have my TT bike in Socal so I'm always stuck in the back group (haven't done the Simi ride though) of group rides here and end up having to pull my way solo to the front pack IF I can get there, which is often a nogo for me on the shorter hammerfests. I'll join the Simi ride soon, likely in Jan when I start to get serious about bike training again.
I only have my TT bike in Socal so I'm always stuck in the back group (haven't done the Simi ride though) of group rides here and end up having to pull my way solo to the front pack IF I can get there, which is often a nogo for me on the shorter hammerfests. I'll join the Simi ride soon, likely in Jan when I start to get serious about bike training again.
umd
12-26-09, 05:37 PM
Chris, I'm familiar with that area and those roads. Sounds like a nice ride.
Agarose (what's your name?), I saw a few TT bikes at the very end. I think we passed them and they joined in.
Agarose (what's your name?), I saw a few TT bikes at the very end. I think we passed them and they joined in.
agarose2000
12-26-09, 05:49 PM
Chris, I'm familiar with that area and those roads. Sounds like a nice ride.
Agarose (what's your name?), I saw a few TT bikes at the very end. I think we passed them and they joined in.
Wasn't me - I'm up in Norcal hurting on some 18% grades up here. Some fast roadies out here too - the AltoVelo cycling group dropped me cold last time I was up here. I'm sure you know that most of the folks on TT bikes in Socal are slow - because they're triathletes, and triguys tend to suck on the bike. I'm a triguy, and even I'm horrified at how slow most of them are considering how much money they spend on their bikes and gear.
Agarose (what's your name?), I saw a few TT bikes at the very end. I think we passed them and they joined in.
Wasn't me - I'm up in Norcal hurting on some 18% grades up here. Some fast roadies out here too - the AltoVelo cycling group dropped me cold last time I was up here. I'm sure you know that most of the folks on TT bikes in Socal are slow - because they're triathletes, and triguys tend to suck on the bike. I'm a triguy, and even I'm horrified at how slow most of them are considering how much money they spend on their bikes and gear.
ChrizzleDizzle6
12-26-09, 05:52 PM
it was a nice ride nothing compared to yours though!
i would like to try the simi route soon. seems tough but im always up for trying new things
thanks for detailed report of it! i like to see what others think of routes before i try it out.
i would like to try the simi route soon. seems tough but im always up for trying new things
thanks for detailed report of it! i like to see what others think of routes before i try it out.
umd
12-26-09, 05:55 PM
I know some fast tri guys. Plenty fast. I didn't mean that I thought they were you, just saying that there were some "on the ride", albeit at the end.
umd
12-26-09, 05:56 PM
it was a nice ride nothing compared to yours though!
i would like to try the simi route soon. seems tough but im always up for trying new things
thanks for detailed report of it! i like to see what others think of routes before i try it out.
There are several easier options, I'm sure you could hook up on the easier part at the start, take the easy route to the regroup and then the cruise part out to Kanan. It seems that there was an easy group that continued past Kanan but I don't know where they went. You can also just do the route yourself not as part of the group.
i would like to try the simi route soon. seems tough but im always up for trying new things
thanks for detailed report of it! i like to see what others think of routes before i try it out.
There are several easier options, I'm sure you could hook up on the easier part at the start, take the easy route to the regroup and then the cruise part out to Kanan. It seems that there was an easy group that continued past Kanan but I don't know where they went. You can also just do the route yourself not as part of the group.
ChrizzleDizzle6
12-26-09, 06:58 PM
There are several easier options, I'm sure you could hook up on the easier part at the start, take the easy route to the regroup and then the cruise part out to Kanan. It seems that there was an easy group that continued past Kanan but I don't know where they went. You can also just do the route yourself not as part of the group.
thanks for the advice, ill have to try it out next time.
for long rides i like to ride with people, just in case an emergency happens someone will be there to help ( i hope!) i have been eying the simi route for a while now but still hesitate to start because i dont want to go it alone.
thanks for the advice, ill have to try it out next time.
for long rides i like to ride with people, just in case an emergency happens someone will be there to help ( i hope!) i have been eying the simi route for a while now but still hesitate to start because i dont want to go it alone.
KiddSisko
12-26-09, 08:21 PM
Great report umd! That large a group with so many squirrelly people jockeying for position gives me the willies.
I did a loop today that included 7 minute hill. With more effort than last week's 11 minute casual pace, I went up Dry Canyon, stop sign to stop sign at just over 9 minutes. I ended up beating my PB time for that route by 30 seconds. I still suck though.
I did a loop today that included 7 minute hill. With more effort than last week's 11 minute casual pace, I went up Dry Canyon, stop sign to stop sign at just over 9 minutes. I ended up beating my PB time for that route by 30 seconds. I still suck though.
KiddSisko
12-26-09, 08:22 PM
There are several easier options, I'm sure you could hook up on the easier part at the start, take the easy route to the regroup and then the cruise part out to Kanan. It seems that there was an easy group that continued past Kanan but I don't know where they went. You can also just do the route yourself not as part of the group.
Do you by any chance have a map of the route you took?
Do you by any chance have a map of the route you took?
DScott
12-26-09, 10:07 PM
Nice report, umd!
I rode up PCH today from Mailibu, north on Las Posa, then east on Potrero. That's some hard riding!
I can only do the Simi ride vicariously...
I rode up PCH today from Mailibu, north on Las Posa, then east on Potrero. That's some hard riding!
I can only do the Simi ride vicariously...
DScott
12-26-09, 10:09 PM
Is this it?
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/simi+valley/519211848676
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/simi+valley/519211848676
umd
12-26-09, 10:16 PM
Kidd, I'll try to post a map later, but you can google for "simi ride" and on the first page their should be a mapmyride of the general route. It wasn't exactly what I did, but was close.
Also, regarding 7 min hill, that time was from the start of the ramp up (there was a dip at the start) to where it was maybe about 1% or so, where I had basically stopped pedaling. Stop to stop was probably closer to 8 min. I would call that a "medium" effort. A hard effort like on Norwegian or Potrero would have taken at least a minute off I'm sure.
DScott, I read about your Potrero adventure in the other thread. The part of potrero that you did is much steep but the speed we were going made up for the difference! Also of note, from the top of Potrero to Westlake Blvd, I averaged 27mph...
Also, regarding 7 min hill, that time was from the start of the ramp up (there was a dip at the start) to where it was maybe about 1% or so, where I had basically stopped pedaling. Stop to stop was probably closer to 8 min. I would call that a "medium" effort. A hard effort like on Norwegian or Potrero would have taken at least a minute off I'm sure.
DScott, I read about your Potrero adventure in the other thread. The part of potrero that you did is much steep but the speed we were going made up for the difference! Also of note, from the top of Potrero to Westlake Blvd, I averaged 27mph...
KiddSisko
12-27-09, 12:33 AM
Is this it?
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/simi+valley/519211848676
Yes, that's it.
Kidd, I'll try to post a map later, but you can google for "simi ride" and on the first page their should be a mapmyride of the general route. It wasn't exactly what I did, but was close.
Also, regarding 7 min hill, that time was from the start of the ramp up (there was a dip at the start) to where it was maybe about 1% or so, where I had basically stopped pedaling. Stop to stop was probably closer to 8 min. I would call that a "medium" effort. A hard effort like on Norwegian or Potrero would have taken at least a minute off I'm sure.
DScott, I read about your Potrero adventure in the other thread. The part of potrero that you did is much steep but the speed we were going made up for the difference! Also of note, from the top of Potrero to Westlake Blvd, I averaged 27mph...
After looking at your graph, plus reading the report - based on my familiarity of at least part of that route (Cornell, Mulholland, 7 min), and my known climbing times of some similar routes, I'm gonna guestimate that I'd probably be riding somewhere close to the middle or lower middle of the group during most of the ride. With a nice solid group flying along on the flats doing some paceline work and holding line on moderate climbs, I'd probably graze the 20 mph average. But not if I had to do any hard chasing solo stuff like you did.
So, based on this first experience, are you interested in doing it again?
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/simi+valley/519211848676
Yes, that's it.
Kidd, I'll try to post a map later, but you can google for "simi ride" and on the first page their should be a mapmyride of the general route. It wasn't exactly what I did, but was close.
Also, regarding 7 min hill, that time was from the start of the ramp up (there was a dip at the start) to where it was maybe about 1% or so, where I had basically stopped pedaling. Stop to stop was probably closer to 8 min. I would call that a "medium" effort. A hard effort like on Norwegian or Potrero would have taken at least a minute off I'm sure.
DScott, I read about your Potrero adventure in the other thread. The part of potrero that you did is much steep but the speed we were going made up for the difference! Also of note, from the top of Potrero to Westlake Blvd, I averaged 27mph...
After looking at your graph, plus reading the report - based on my familiarity of at least part of that route (Cornell, Mulholland, 7 min), and my known climbing times of some similar routes, I'm gonna guestimate that I'd probably be riding somewhere close to the middle or lower middle of the group during most of the ride. With a nice solid group flying along on the flats doing some paceline work and holding line on moderate climbs, I'd probably graze the 20 mph average. But not if I had to do any hard chasing solo stuff like you did.
So, based on this first experience, are you interested in doing it again?
MUZE
12-27-09, 09:06 AM
umd, nice report, I felt as if I were part of the ride. I'm not up to that, yet. I'm familiar with the roads from numerous classic car events so I can appreciate the effort. Love the Santa Monica mountain roads!
umd
12-28-09, 05:34 PM
Kidd, yes I will be doing it all January except the 30th, there is a race. I recommend you try it, but start with the easy route unless you want to ride the whole way yourself...
danahs
12-29-09, 01:54 PM
I started with a warmup up the Santa Susana Pass with some random riders that were passing by my car as I got ready. I didn't know how long it would take to get there or exactly when they left so I got there early and watched the group get larger and larger. About 8:35 there were some announcements. I guess they don't do the "Easy Street" route until next week. Ride was pretty hard but not too bad, I guess they really up the intensity in January. There were well over 150 people. Dare I guess 200?
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
this sounds exactly like my ride on saturday... some guy in front of me had to slam on his brakes and slid sideways for a few meters... and some guy to the right of me got a rear flat and had to pull over.
heres my powertap data:
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/BR4M3TCOENHV26WTLBPIAGVH5U
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IVay28Qnln4/SzprtLKnvxI/AAAAAAAABME/MGDsjvwBtEI/s912/simi.jpg
I just got gapped by the leaders over the top of the Norwegian grade but caught back on, except for my coach and only a few others who had rode away from everyone else. The problem was that I was just too far back at the start of Moorpark road and with the ride taking up the whole lane had a very hard time getting around people. Eventually people started blowing up and I dodged my way through them and hopped up group by group until I caught the chase group as they crested. That took 5 minutes at 330W, the last 2 at 385W. Fun times.
Crusing down Olsen and Lynn was a rolling regroup "in the spirit of Christmas." One guy right in front of me got a flat and successfully navigated his way out of the pack without incident. A few minutes late, another guy right in front of me hit a bump of some kind and nearly lost control, but managed to save it. I had to brake lightly to avoid ramming him as he cut across me with one foot off of the pedal. Were were near the front. Shouts from the peanut gallery behind ensued.
By the time we crossed the freeway the group had swelled back to massive proportions, but still a much smaller group that at the beginning. I guess the people who did the easy route were still ahead of us, or maybe somewhere else entirely. It was a nice brisk cruise over the rollers on Lynn. I didn't have to try to hard every time the road pointed up to end up near the front again. I knew we were approaching Potrero and I didn't want to get caught behind everyone like on Norwegian. A fairly large group (the majority I would say) turned early onto Wendy but I proceeded with the long route to Reino road and the real start of Potrero.
As we approached Potrero, Sid (5 time Australian National Mountain Bike Champion) hopped the median to get a jump on everyone and the pace was brutal from the start as everyone accelerated to match him. About halfway up I was still with the lead group (well, the chase group I guess because remember there were still a few off the front) but felt I was about to blow, so I backed off and "let" them go. A few moments to recover, a few guys caught up with me from behind... I paced off them for a little bit then took off after the group ahead of me. That group had blown apart now, and also we were mixed in with the riders who turned on Wendy, so there were people all over the road. Just like on Norwegian, I'm dodging people, shooting through gaps, and leapfrogging groups. The climb took 8 minutes exactly, 293W. When I crested I was near a few others, including the guy that I had shadowed earlier, and after the descent, a handful of us got into a rotation and chased down the leaders. We picked up a few others and dodged slower riders along the way through Hidden Valley. Approaching Lake Sherwood, a few people turned right to go throught he lakefront and the rest of our fairly small group stayed on Potrero for one final climb before the regroup. I found myself off the front by accident, but decided to run with it and see if I could stay away. After about 50 seconds at 480W it was clear I was still well ahead (and I don't think anyone was chasing) so I shut it down and cruised the rest of the way to Westlake Blvd. Catching and passing more of the short-route riders along the way.
The regroup at Triunfo Park was a zoo. A bazillion (literally!) riders and bikes all over the palce. A few minutes rest, a refill of my bottle, and some chit-chat, and we were on our way. 8 minutes. Aaron had assured me that the ride out to Kanan was to be fairly mellow and it was, but that also meant that all the squirelly riders were mixed in. There were these 3 kids that kept bumping into each other and swerving all over the place that were driving me nuts. Then one of them cleared his nose without looking on the guy next to me. As much as I tried they kept ending up near me. Blerg.
I think they went straight when we hit Kanan because I never saw them again. Also the pace picked up on Cornell so it was easier to move back towards the front and stay there. Unfortunately, when we turned left onto Mulholland, the rider in front of me dropped his chain and lost momentum (slight uphill) and I nicked him and went down. Gently, not hurt, but the handful of seconds it took to get going again I went from the front third to the back. Now I have to work my way back up. The front is accelerating and strung out, but the back is a jumbled mess. More dodging and passing, some scooting by around corners on descents, but the longer it took me to get through everyone the further ahead the front was getting. Another climb came up and sorted things out a bit, allowing me to get close to the main group. My peak 5s, 10s, and 20s were in there. But the front was still out of reach. They were jamming. Great, I'm never going to catch them.
Oh yeah, a light. At Las Virgenes. They had to stop which was just enough to close the final gap. Yay!
Once back on after the light, the pace was more of a cruise. I guess that was the calm before the storm that was approaching, "seven minute hill." I was a little worn out from the chase and didn't really feel like killing myself to stay with the animals at the front so I didn't even try to keep their pace. I just settled into a steady sustainable effort and cruised up. I'm not sure where the "hill" is measured from, but the actual climb took me just a hair over 7 minutes, 255W. Maybe a tiny bit more if it includes the near flat part at the crest. I caught oodles of people on the way up, but some guys had clearly been there for a while.
5 Minute regroup, then cruised down Mulholland Highway and Old Topanga. Realized I should have stayed on Mulholland to get to Topanga Canyon Blvd and had to backtrack on Mulholland Drive. The rest was an uneventful urban dash 7 miles across the valley to my car near the base of the Santa Susana Pass.
Group:
Duration: 2:22:56 (2:33:47)
Work: 1450 kJ
TSS: 182.8 (intensity factor 0.877)
Norm Power: 237
VI: 1.4
Distance: 50.017 mi
Elevation Gain: 4449 ft
Elevation Loss: 4015 ft
Grade: 0.2 % (434 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 170 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.9 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:52 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1461 870 ft
Crank Torque: 0 765 168 lb-in
Entire workout (166 watts):
Duration: 3:19:03 (4:00:07)
Work: 1981 kJ
TSS: 235.7 (intensity factor 0.844)
Norm Power: 228
VI: 1.37
Distance: 67.887 mi
Elevation Gain: 6047 ft
Elevation Loss: 6016 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (31 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 724 166 watts
Cadence: 19 131 85 rpm
Speed: 0 46.1 20.3 mph
Pace 1:18 0:00 2:57 min/mi
Altitude: 531 1561 915 ft
Crank Torque: 0 951 166 lb-in
this sounds exactly like my ride on saturday... some guy in front of me had to slam on his brakes and slid sideways for a few meters... and some guy to the right of me got a rear flat and had to pull over.
heres my powertap data:
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/BR4M3TCOENHV26WTLBPIAGVH5U
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IVay28Qnln4/SzprtLKnvxI/AAAAAAAABME/MGDsjvwBtEI/s912/simi.jpg
umd
12-29-09, 02:22 PM
On the same ride?
danahs
12-29-09, 03:27 PM
ya, i must have been near you in the group
umd
12-29-09, 03:40 PM
Hey, that's funny. I thought I remembered them in the other order though... flat first then almost crash. I didn't see anyone skid either but maybe it was behind me. I was literally on that guy's wheel when he hit the bump.
For identification, what is your kit and bike? Did you do the full route all the way to reino or did you shortcut at potrero? I'm going back this weekend, I'll be doing the easy street route.
For identification, what is your kit and bike? Did you do the full route all the way to reino or did you shortcut at potrero? I'm going back this weekend, I'll be doing the easy street route.
danahs
12-29-09, 07:03 PM
i did the full route and i was the big guy in all black with some orange on the top of my jacket on a Kuota Kharma. i think the skidding and flat happened on lynn... but sounds like it was different incident than what happened to you. i was probably further back.
simi rides have been a lot of fun so far this year even with the cold temps!
simi rides have been a lot of fun so far this year even with the cold temps!
umd
12-29-09, 07:10 PM
Did I talk to you in the Starbucks after the ride?
danahs
12-29-09, 11:02 PM
no. must have been someone else.
sdgrannygear
12-31-09, 12:03 AM
umd, I recorded the ride if you are interested in watching parts of it (the first part up to the regroup) pm me and I'll send you the youtube link. Anyway, I was hanging around the back and I got crushed. I've done several group rides in socal, sdbc, como, foodpark, montrose, if como is a 7, this was a 13. I bonked at half a mile into mulholland hwy. Needless to say, the rest of the ride was miserable for me.
KiddSisko
12-31-09, 02:23 PM
umd, I recorded the ride if you are interested in watching parts of it (the first part up to the regroup) pm me and I'll send you the youtube link. Anyway, I was hanging around the back and I got crushed. I've done several group rides in socal, sdbc, como, foodpark, montrose, if como is a 7, this was a 13. I bonked at half a mile into mulholland hwy. Needless to say, the rest of the ride was miserable for me.
I just searched and found it. That's an excellent onboard camera. Tech report, please.
I just searched and found it. That's an excellent onboard camera. Tech report, please.
MUZE
12-31-09, 05:03 PM
umd, I recorded the ride if you are interested in watching parts of it (the first part up to the regroup) pm me and I'll send you the youtube link. Anyway, I was hanging around the back and I got crushed. I've done several group rides in socal, sdbc, como, foodpark, montrose, if como is a 7, this was a 13. I bonked at half a mile into mulholland hwy. Needless to say, the rest of the ride was miserable for me.
Enjoyed the video. Almost like being there, if I had an HRM on I'm sure it would have indicated an increase.
Enjoyed the video. Almost like being there, if I had an HRM on I'm sure it would have indicated an increase.
agarose2000
12-31-09, 05:35 PM
If it was the youtube video from 12/09, I agree - that was a schweet video! Real nice editing as well - liked your wry sense of humor, especially at the end.
umd
12-31-09, 06:17 PM
Nice video. I saw myself briefly during the turn onto the first climb. I'm guessing that you were in the group that took the Wendy Drive turn to shortcut Potrero slightly, and that was the front of the long group passing you as you nearned the top. I was in a group that caught you just around where the video ended. I think I remember telling you right before Lake Sherwood to not slow down so much when you pull off...
HAMMER MAN
12-31-09, 06:27 PM
jeez how I miss So Ca. and simi. I lived right off of Kuhner and L .A. ave for 10 years on dowel drive and use too ride the santa susana pass road @ least three days a week. box canyon, lake piru , sant paula, Hidden hills-1000 oakes area ,fillmore and ojai those were my favorite routes. Moved to Moorpark and then Texas..
Really miss those routes and the ride time
Really miss those routes and the ride time
sdgrannygear
01-01-10, 11:24 PM
umd, I do remember that, you telling me not to slow down too much when pulling off, that's something I definitely need to work on. The thing is though, I've never done a paceline that fast. I want to do simi again at some point, but I definitely need to work on my fitness first.
umd
01-01-10, 11:31 PM
hehe, yeah when it gets fast it gets tricky to remember all that stuff. I hope you took that as helpful advice at the time and not as "yelling." I always try to be gentle. ;) It's just that when you rotate off the front, everyone who is now behind you has to go at your pace. If you just stop pedaling then we all have to brake.
sdgrannygear
01-01-10, 11:39 PM
no worries, I took it as constructive criticism, if it's any excuse, I was a bit dehydrated and was starting to break from the pace so I wasn't thinking straight. I'm glad I did the ride though, it definitely toughened me up, especially for today at Long beach. Did you do that ride?
umd
01-02-10, 12:06 AM
No, I'm further north, I don't usually go that far for rides. Today was a rest day, tomorrow is simi again, the hard route.
umd
01-02-10, 07:40 PM
Here's some Garmin Connect data from last week (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/21487185) and this week (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/21544408)
I flatted today at Las Virgenes. Damn.
I flatted today at Las Virgenes. Damn.
danahs
01-02-10, 09:47 PM
nice to meet u today
(this was the 200mi rr i was referring to at the end of our conversation: http://www.lotojaclassic.com/)
(this was the 200mi rr i was referring to at the end of our conversation: http://www.lotojaclassic.com/)
Ben FR
01-02-10, 09:56 PM
umd- is this simi ride above my skill level? I was thinking of trying it...
umd
01-02-10, 10:01 PM
Ben, I don't think you would be challenging at the front but you should be fine on it. There are different routes and rolling regroups after the climbs. Do you think you could go 50% faster up latigo if it was only 1/5 the length? They only go really hard on the climbs for the most part.
Ben FR
01-02-10, 10:25 PM
Ben, I don't think you would be challenging at the front but you should be fine on it. There are different routes and rolling regroups after the climbs. Do you think you could go 50% faster up latigo if it was only 1/5 the length? They only go really hard on the climbs for the most part.
I could probably average 13-14mph on Latigo for 1/5 of the length, but not 15-16mph.
How many different riding groups are there? How often are the regroups?
I could probably average 13-14mph on Latigo for 1/5 of the length, but not 15-16mph.
How many different riding groups are there? How often are the regroups?
umd
01-02-10, 11:19 PM
The info at the beginning of the thread is pretty good. Basically the ride forks into 3 lengths/difficulties. The easiest does a long gradual climb And heads directly to the regroup. The middle option does two climbs to the same regroup. The longer rise does some extra then loops around and does the climbs from the middle option. The climbs Rent super long or steep, they are only hard because people are going so fast.
The first major climb, the Norwegian grade is only about 1.25 miles at 6% average. I did the first half mile at about 16mph and then slowed down a bit and a bunch of people passed me. I averaged about 14.5 for the whole thing, took 5 min. There is a rolling regroup crossing through thousand oaks down olsen and Lynn roads. It's still a brisk pace but nobody is attacking and if you ge in with a chase group you can catch back onto the group.
Potrero is next and is a little longer and steeper. The fast guys will disappear, that's going to be a given. The challenge is getting across hidden valley at a decent clip to get to triunfo park for the only actual full stop regroup. If you do the middle option, apparently you have a lot of extra time because the long route takes maybe 10 minutes extra. If you do the long route and get dropped you may be done.
After that it rolls easy along agoura road to kanan/Cornell. Once on Cornell it picks up but stops at the sign to tuen onto mulholland so you get a breather. On mulholland it hauls ass to las virgenes. That's where I got my flat, and I was amazed to watch e ergone trickle in, and just how blown apart it got in the few minutes from cornell to there. It's supposed to be a rolling regroup after las virgenes to let people catch back up but many people were so far back I doubt they ever caught back on. Last week it was pretty mellow from there to "seven minute hill", and then they wait at the top of that for several minutes. From there it is downhill to Valley Circle where most people park and start from. Last week I parked closer to the start and had to ride across the [San Fernando] valley to my car by myself after the ride.
The first major climb, the Norwegian grade is only about 1.25 miles at 6% average. I did the first half mile at about 16mph and then slowed down a bit and a bunch of people passed me. I averaged about 14.5 for the whole thing, took 5 min. There is a rolling regroup crossing through thousand oaks down olsen and Lynn roads. It's still a brisk pace but nobody is attacking and if you ge in with a chase group you can catch back onto the group.
Potrero is next and is a little longer and steeper. The fast guys will disappear, that's going to be a given. The challenge is getting across hidden valley at a decent clip to get to triunfo park for the only actual full stop regroup. If you do the middle option, apparently you have a lot of extra time because the long route takes maybe 10 minutes extra. If you do the long route and get dropped you may be done.
After that it rolls easy along agoura road to kanan/Cornell. Once on Cornell it picks up but stops at the sign to tuen onto mulholland so you get a breather. On mulholland it hauls ass to las virgenes. That's where I got my flat, and I was amazed to watch e ergone trickle in, and just how blown apart it got in the few minutes from cornell to there. It's supposed to be a rolling regroup after las virgenes to let people catch back up but many people were so far back I doubt they ever caught back on. Last week it was pretty mellow from there to "seven minute hill", and then they wait at the top of that for several minutes. From there it is downhill to Valley Circle where most people park and start from. Last week I parked closer to the start and had to ride across the [San Fernando] valley to my car by myself after the ride.
Ben FR
01-03-10, 12:30 AM
Cool, thx.
umd
01-03-10, 09:06 AM
nice to meet u today
(this was the 200mi rr i was referring to at the end of our conversation: http://www.lotojaclassic.com/)
Nice to meet you. I guess I have heard of that race, by name. I wasn't sure it was the same thing you were talking about, but I guess it is.
(this was the 200mi rr i was referring to at the end of our conversation: http://www.lotojaclassic.com/)
Nice to meet you. I guess I have heard of that race, by name. I wasn't sure it was the same thing you were talking about, but I guess it is.
umd
01-03-10, 03:37 PM
Ben, this is the first major climb, the "Norwegian Grade", from light to a little past the crest, so it includes some flatish sections at the bottom and top. I was having some recording dropout issues which is why there is a time difference and some absurdly low power/speed/cadence minimums. At my weight it worked out to about 5.4 W/kg. When we went up Latigo the other day I was at about 3.5 W/kg, for reference.
Norwegian Grade:
Duration: 5:12 (5:16)
Work: 109 kJ
TSS: 15.2 (intensity factor 1.324)
Norm Power: 358
VI: 1.02
Distance: 1.253 mi
Elevation Gain: 367 ft
Elevation Loss: 2 ft
Grade: 5.5 % (365 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 13 661 350 watts
Cadence: 31 115 94 rpm
Speed: 3 27.8 14.4 mph
Altitude: 436 802 599 ft
Crank Torque: 20 775 316 lb-in
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/8567.png
Norwegian Grade:
Duration: 5:12 (5:16)
Work: 109 kJ
TSS: 15.2 (intensity factor 1.324)
Norm Power: 358
VI: 1.02
Distance: 1.253 mi
Elevation Gain: 367 ft
Elevation Loss: 2 ft
Grade: 5.5 % (365 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 13 661 350 watts
Cadence: 31 115 94 rpm
Speed: 3 27.8 14.4 mph
Altitude: 436 802 599 ft
Crank Torque: 20 775 316 lb-in
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/8567.png