Classic & Vintage - Why would a track bike have bottle bosses?

Take a look: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/1532957390.html

Aside from the obvious re-paint, rear bridge drilled for a brake, and dodgy looking decals, this is represented as a track frame. Yet, it has two sets of water bottle bosses.

Could it be that someone changed the rear dropouts, added a non-drilled fork, and covered this up with a re-paint?

I'm more concerned about those fork dropouts....

Also take a REALLY close look at the bottom bracket. I believe there's a bit more there indicating that this bike originally had multiple gears.

I'm more concerned about those fork dropouts....

Yeah - I forgot to mention that, but they do look weird pointing toward the rear. Also, the "chrome" looks to be just buffed bare steel.

We see Pakes and Steamrollers at the NSC Velodrome that have bosses. These are usually fixies that riders/racers use for training on the street or they ride to the track as their main transportation. They take off the water bottle and front brake when they arrive. We've seen them trade out tires as well. Have not seen a dedicated track bike with bosses.

That fork is a different shade of blue than the frame. Methinks it's not original.

Neal

Why would a track bike have bottle bosses?

Those are for the http://www.holley.com/data/pages/brands/brandNOS_color.jpg bottles...

Because it's an ungraciously Drew'ed road Gooch.

Drilled brake bridge was the first tipoff. The Cinelli BB obviously has evidence of brazed-on guides too, DO's swapped out, etc; pretty much everything has been spotted save for the bridge.

BBM - some of the chrome is bare steel, specifically, anything that isn't the right (and perhaps left) chainstay. I'm unbelievably curious as to whether the paint was creatively stripped and scraped into that pointed design (keep in mind the half million of these things that have popped up with generic red or blue paint w/o decals), or whether it has been subject to an El Cheap-o repaint.

Anyone have a broken Canon 40D to trade him? I dare say it would make for a very even trade :p


That fork is a different shade of blue than the frame. Methinks it's not original.

It most definitely isn't original, and it's probably the only genuine bit in the entire deal.

The seller would be better off selling the fork - with a free frame.

-Kurt

Looks like someone peed on the couch too

bigbossman - I think you answered your own question in another thread - "You have a lot more normal folks out there than we do here in SF. Our flake/earnest ratio is off the charts."

Because it's an ungraciously Drew'ed road Gooch.

Drilled brake bridge was the first tipoff. The Cinelli BB obviously has evidence of brazed-on guides too, DO's swapped out, etc; pretty much everything has been spotted save for the bridge.


heh - check my original post. It's in there. :)

Also - I wonder about the bb pic. Why would he grind off the guides, and then show us a close-up pic so that we can see what he's done? Not too bright a bulb, this one.

WRT the paint - looks to be scraped off? I'm guessing that because there is aome errant paint on the left chainstay/bb lug junction. Looks like there's some at the BB/DT junction as well. I blew up the pic to 150%, and there it was. :)

I was pretty much asking rhetorically, as even with my base amount of knowledge this one smelled like a three day old mackerel. However, I had no idea what it used to be. Good eye, spotting it for a Guerciotti. How can you tell?

That bike has been for sale for about a month now, reposted several times. It's obviously not the genuine article, which is probably why it hasn't sold, and the fork is definitely not original.

heh - check my original post. It's in there. :)

Correction: Pretty much everything has been spotted, except for my memory.


Also - I wonder about the bb pic. Why would he grind off the guides, and then show us a close-up pic so that we can see what he's done?

The seller is likely the sucker that bought it from whoever Drewed it, and is too stupid to realize that the cable guides have been torched off. He's just another doofus who seems to think that a Cinelli BB carries more significance then a boxed Campy 50th Anniversary group.


WRT the paint - looks to be scraped off? I'm guessing that because there is aome errant paint on the left chainstay/bb lug junction. Looks like there's some at the BB/DT junction as well. I blew up the pic to 150%, and there it was. :)

That's my guess. Probably partially stripped with chemical stipper following the modifications, then scraped into submission. I'm surprised he didn't try to do a fade job with sandpaper :roflmao:


I was pretty much asking rhetorically, as even with my base amount of knowledge this one smelled like a three day old mackerel. However, I had no idea what it used to be. Good eye, spotting it for a Guerciotti. How can you tell?

It's hard for anyone to miss the Guerciotti-engraved spoon stays, though they are obscured quite a bit when not filled in.

What I'd like to know is why it has the Cinelli BB - most of the examples with the spoon stays had a generic BB with a star-shaped cutout.

-Kurt

This knucklehead's photobucket account is full of krylon blue bikes. This guy is just another thief fencing stolen goods.

http://s916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00559.jpg

It's hard for anyone to miss the Guerciotti-engraved spoon stays, though they are obscured quite a bit when not filled in.

Look what I found, in his photobucket account (thanks for the link, KoK):

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00787.jpg

I think the Drewing of the frame is even worse than the drop outs being switched out.

I believe that the original drop outs were cut off, flipped around and rewelded onto the frame.:eek: Check out what appears to be a poorly executed grinding/filing on the close up of the drop outs on the photobucket page:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00779.jpg

stan

Why would a track bike have bottle bosses?

for the beer? :twitchy:

I believe that the original drop outs were cut off, flipped around and rewelded onto the frame.:eek:[/IMG]

There's more material on the drops now then what it had originally. Impossible.

P.S.: Firefox doesn't want to load the Photobucket pictures within the forum, curiously enough. Neither would it do so on the Photobucket page itself, or the C-List ad. Works fine in IE.

-Kurt

GAH!!!!!!!!

Damned hipsters!

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00590.jpg

-Kurt

Here is a blow up of the foreground drop from this pic (http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00786.jpg). Might that be a hole that used to be for an adjuster screw?

wow this guy sucks!

I don't recognize those dropouts, they actually do look almost like some 1010b's flipped around and welded to another piece of steel. Doesn't look like he's fencing anything, otherwise the serial number would be gone.

maybe he's in the framebuilders forum.

geez, i don't know whats worse. the bike or the reaction! ha ha you guys are ruthless

stay classy bike forums!

I don't recognize those dropouts, they actually do look almost like some 1010b's flipped around and welded to another piece of steel.

What a magnificent effort for such a poor result - especially when a set of Henry James track drops would have cost him virtually nothing in the whole scheme of things.

-Kurt

We need a photo of that thing with wheels on it, I think that the angel of the "track ends" will make the bike unrideable...

It's definitely a bit of a hack job and a bit dishonest, but I too doubt they are stolen goods due to the serial number.

I would hope that anyone about to drop $500 on a bare frame would do their homework or know a thing or two about bikes and avoid it, but as the saying goes, "A fool and his money..."

geez, i don't know whats worse. the bike or the reaction! ha ha you guys are ruthless

stay classy bike forums!What we see here is a nice frame hacked up by a no-talent butcher that didn't appreciate what he had. I can't see anything positive to say about this except I hope it doesn't sell and the butchering stops.

I just realized that he carefully hacked the dropouts apart, and welded them back together. It probably doesn't move the frame relative to the ground, so it should still have the same angles.

I can't see anything positive to say about this except I hope it doesn't sell and the butchering stops.

I can. It's called a pair of 1010B's, a torch, some brass (or silver), and new paint.

-Kurt

costs too much for a repair. Even if I just charged myself for materials I'd have nearly $300 in it just to get it back on the road in original condition. And that's without chrome.

GAH!!!!!!!!

Damned hipsters!

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad5/roosterrojo/DSC00590.jpg

-Kurt

Shoot me if you must, but.... I'm actually liking those wheels ;-/