Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - My bamboo fixie

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problempoker
01-04-10, 08:30 PM
This is my first attempt of building a fixie out of bamboo and a chopped up old steel frame. I never really finished this project because of some design flaws, however I'm in the process of building a new one now, in my opinion much nicer. But I decided to post these pics for some feedback.

First step: chop the bike:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment5.jpg

Second step: fit and spraypaint:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment4.jpg

Third ste:p figure out a way to attach bamboo to frame, I used 5 minute epoxy and homemade pins. It proved to be a real stable connection:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment3.jpg

Fourth step: mock up and extras, I made the bamboo seat post (not a good idea) and bamboo handlebars:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment1.jpg

Fifth step: semi finished fixie:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment.jpg

I actually test road this bike and it actually worked. I just didn't like a few things about the frame. And by the way I am a mechanical engineer and I did do some calculations. Don't try this at home:)


Leukybear
01-04-10, 08:43 PM
Looks super sexy in my opinion :D:D:D:love:

I would totally suggest thinking about bamboo seatstays as the backhalf of your bikes lacks bamboo in my opinion :lol:

Or at least replace the rear brake bridge with bamboo :D

problempoker
01-04-10, 08:52 PM
thats the plan for my next one, i'm going to do the down tube, bottom tube and seat stays in bamboo. I am going to leave the top tube alone, it has alot of stress going through it.


Leukybear
01-04-10, 08:54 PM
You should really think out the bamboo seat stays.... it would totally suck if you had catastrophic frame failure with the bike almost complete.... (think about the brake bridge instead :thumb: )

TejanoTrackie
01-04-10, 09:39 PM
Very interesting. Do you know the mechanical properties of bamboo? How does it fare in torsion? FYI, I'm a retired structural engineer, so this sort of thing interests me. Please keep posting your progress.

problempoker
01-04-10, 10:01 PM
I feel like bamboo does better with compression type of forces versus torsion. my biggest concernig is picking bamboo that is thick walled and in good condition. the bamboo also needs to be completely dried out and crack free. In this build a small crack started to invade the top tube, thus the reason I am starting over with a new design.

bigvegan
01-04-10, 10:35 PM
I feel like bamboo does better with compression type of forces versus torsion. my biggest concernig is picking bamboo that is thick walled and in good condition. the bamboo also needs to be completely dried out and crack free. In this build a small crack started to invade the top tube, thus the reason I am starting over with a new design.


Also, read up on fire-hardening the bamboo. Bamboo gains strength if it's been heated in fire / with a torch, so read up on how to do that properly.

RhodeRunner
01-04-10, 11:55 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121628758

NPR ran that story a few weeks about about some bamboo bike builders in Brooklyn. worth a look.

Is bamboo fibrous? Lengthwise fibers? I would image it's stronger in tension.

TejanoTrackie, ever run SAP models or anything on a bike frame? Would be kinda cool...

stryper
01-05-10, 01:12 AM
based on how you are making your frame, this tutorial may be of some help: http://www.instructables.com/id/Bamboo-Bike-2/

rogwilco
01-05-10, 05:07 AM
That's interesting, and definitely a smart way to go about making a "bamboo"-bike without an excessive amount of work, but to be honest I would be scared to ride this bike.

problempoker
01-05-10, 07:11 AM
to be honest I am little scaried to ride it. i'm just going to take it slow. i'll test it out in singlespeed mode first. safety first safety last safety always.

kubrick215
01-05-10, 08:03 AM
Awesome project! Good luck

ichitz
01-05-10, 08:15 AM
i kinda cringed at the first picture. The thought of chopping my bike scares the crap out of me.
But those last few pictures looks awesome. Great job! Does it feel a lot different than a steel bike?

TejanoTrackie
01-05-10, 08:48 AM
TejanoTrackie, ever run SAP models or anything on a bike frame? Would be kinda cool...

No, but I've done some simple hand calcs, and from what I can tell the downtube carries the lion's share of torsion, which is why modern frames tend to have massive oversized downtubes. Under just the weight of the rider without any force on the pedals the entire frame acts like a truss with all the members in either tension or compression. Torsion and out-of-plane bending are introduced when power is applied at the pedals due to the Q-factor. IMO, the downtube and chainstays would better remain as steel, but the rest could still be made with bamboo. Of course, if the seatube is bamboo, this could be a problem with seatpost fitup.

ilikebikes
01-05-10, 12:41 PM
I hope you don't kill yourself trying to ride it.

Canaboo
01-05-10, 09:21 PM
I posted my bamboo fixie on the framebuilding forum. You really should chop it up completely and make it all bamboo. I would recommend using larger bamboo and inserting the metal into the bamboo and then wrapping the joints.
The exception is that I would insert the bamboo chainstays into the chopped off metal stays.

WoundedKnee
01-05-10, 09:25 PM
As long as you build it right I wouldn't be scared.. some people built a triple tandem out of bamboo and road across the country with no problems.

problempoker
01-06-10, 09:31 AM
Here is a sneak peak of my version 2.0

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/GetAttachment-2.jpg

I'm still looking at other bamboo options. I like the look of the thinner bamboo. The ones I choose were heat treated and thick walled.

Leukybear
01-07-10, 09:00 PM
I hope you don't kill yourself trying to ride it.

Well aside from workmanship and traffic accidents... bamboo is a very flexy and not brittle (unless weathered); heck my loaded longboard is bamboo and it withstands my longboarding abuse...... and if bamboo does fail, it doesn't fail epically like how metal does, bamboo would just splinter mildly while remaining intact; he might even be able to ride it back home after a failure of a bamboo tube...

OP you might want to find something to protect that bamboo from the elements if arent using anything..... I recommend coats of varnish and then polyurethane

Dannihilator
01-07-10, 09:26 PM
Nice, but one question, why those drop outs, you could have gotten the track drops.

ilikebikes
01-07-10, 09:34 PM
Well aside from workmanship and traffic accidents... bamboo is a very flexy and not brittle (unless weathered); heck my loaded longboard is bamboo and it withstands my longboarding abuse...... and if bamboo does fail, it doesn't fail epically like how metal does, bamboo would just splinter mildly while remaining intact; he might even be able to ride it back home after a failure of a bamboo tube...

OP you might want to find something to protect that bamboo from the elements if arent using anything..... I recommend coats of varnish and then polyurethane

I do know a bit about bamboo, and a little about metal, I also know a little about joining the two, thats why I hope he doesn't kill himself riding it.

Leukybear
01-07-10, 10:12 PM
Nice, but one question, why those drop outs, you could have gotten the track drops.

frames with track drops are expensive... even the older track frames.....

that way if he F's up he can easily afford to get another expendable horizontal dropout frame. ;)

problempoker
01-08-10, 05:06 PM
since this is my first experience on this type of project, I didnt feel right dropping $250 on a nice track frame. If this one works out, I might. Here are two more pics of what I got going so far with the new build.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/bb1.jpg

This one shows the joints. The bamboo has been epoxied to the inside of the luggs. Of course everything was sanded down and roughed up. I also used epoxy putty on the outside of the connection (that is the white clay looking material). It has been shaped and sanded. The frame and the bamboo is also drilled out for a 1/4" pin to add an extra safety guard. Also the ends of the bamboo were capped to help prevent splitting. The pin will be epoxied and bolted into place.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/bb2.jpg

problempoker
01-08-10, 05:10 PM
by the way thanks for everyones safety concerns. this is just a project of mine. if it doesn't feel right, i'm not going to ride it. I also switched the project from a fixie to a singlespeed. A little safer.

Dannihilator
01-08-10, 06:20 PM
frames with track drops are expensive... even the older track frames.....

that way if he F's up he can easily afford to get another expendable horizontal dropout frame. ;)

True if you decide to go that route. But you can buy the parts needed from places.

mrvile
01-08-10, 06:47 PM
heck my loaded longboard is bamboo and it withstands my longboarding abuse......

You do realize that your longboard is bamboo epoxy ply, right? Completely different beast.

Leukybear
01-08-10, 06:50 PM
You do realize that your longboard is bamboo epoxy ply, right? Completely different beast.

AND with a carbon fiber center ply :D ...... sigh, sometimes I fail to just appreciate the nice details of my nice things which I pay extra for.... :o

problempoker
01-13-10, 07:02 PM
Almost done, just need to add a brake. I actually test rode the bike and it rides.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/DSCF2109.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/mattymatty/DSCF2112.jpg

thirdgenbird
01-13-10, 07:31 PM
i am very impressed

problempoker
01-13-10, 07:40 PM
thanks man

bobfromwaco
01-14-10, 09:36 AM
That's a cool look. Where did you get the Bamboo?

problempoker
01-14-10, 02:02 PM
craigslist. $20 for 5 six foot sections.

fatallightning
01-14-10, 03:52 PM
if you think the top tube carries more stress then the downtube... well i dont even know what to say.

fuji86
06-07-10, 11:24 PM
Unless the frame was totally messed up, I can't imagine why anyone would pursue this type of project ?

evilcryalotmore
06-07-10, 11:52 PM
Unless the frame was totally messed up, I can't imagine why anyone would pursue this type of project ?
Its a project, Why do people invent things?
Curiosity, Challenge, Using pass knowledge.

He could've made it for pure fun, He could've made it for a job interview who knows.

But project like these are the ones that people look at. rather then welding 6 bikes together

bleedingapple
06-08-10, 02:39 AM
the problem with you design is you are treating bamboo like steel. you need to think more like aluminum. i say this because a guy i know made an amazing bamboo bike that only broke cause of a car accident. look at the calfee bikes. they dont use as thin a diameter tube as you are. again think more like aluminum. I am going to be making a full bamboo bike this summer myself too... there is a place not too far from me that sells amazing bamboo in all sizes and straight as an arrow, super cheap too.

problempoker
10-13-10, 10:29 PM
I did it, cause someone said I couldn't.

jimmytango
10-14-10, 12:33 AM
I did it, cause someone said I couldn't.

and imo, that is a great reason.

XianRL
10-15-10, 01:21 AM
Dude, a lot of great ideas (dare I say, businesses) start small like this.

And at the end of the day, do what you want, right?! This is wicked cool even if it doesn't materialize to bikes that people can "gnar" on. Keep it up, problempoker ... a somewhat ironic username considering you're making stuff.

motobeCarnage
10-15-10, 08:04 AM
pretty cool projects but watch out for bumps and girls with hairy armpits.

Euthe
10-15-10, 07:15 PM
You could fill the bamboo with some kind of expanding foam to give it more rigidity. I concur with happypills regarding the varnish. You really need some kind of coating to preserve that bamboo.

Exactly what species of bamboo are you using?

RoboMonkey
10-16-10, 09:11 PM
You should check out the bamboo thread in the framebuilders forum, I don't think I've seen you post in there.


You could fill the bamboo with some kind of expanding foam to give it more rigidity.

If the bamboo is not rigid enough, then it is probably too small. It would probably be better to use a larger diameter pole than a smaller one with expanding foam.

problempoker
10-20-10, 08:02 PM
I did use a clear varnish on top of the bamboo. The bamboo was also heat treated first. Funny enough I used a turkey deep fryer (minus the pot) as my mean of getting a flame on the bamboo. After a few trials the heat treatment went well. I ride this thing every now and again around town, and it is as rigid as it was the day I finished it. And by the way, I weigh about 200 lbs, so it is going through its paces.

problempoker
10-20-10, 08:03 PM
Another thing, the bamboo was purchased off of craigslist. The hardest thing is finding a straight piece without any cracking. Even a hairline crack will give you problems down the road.

Leukybear
10-20-10, 08:04 PM
I did use a clear varnish on top of the bamboo. The bamboo was also heat treated first. Funny enough I used a turkey deep fryer (minus the pot) as my mean of getting a flame on the bamboo..

Lol I was about to say there... :lol: