merlinextraligh
01-05-10, 09:09 PM
If you can't average 17 mph on 5+ mile 10% average grade climbs, don't go to Europe
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"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Can only climb 9-12 mph.
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01-05-10, 09:11 PM
At least in my area, mapmyride is not always accurate. I have been on numerous rides where the mapmyride total elevation gain is x, yet some of the riders on the rides w/ garmins end up with 1.5x or even 2x. Maybe that is just around here though...
Perhaps its the Garmins that are inaccurate... or more likely, both MapMyRide and Garmins are wrong.
Perhaps its the Garmins that are inaccurate... or more likely, both MapMyRide and Garmins are wrong.
umd
01-05-10, 09:11 PM
Dude, if you would just let it go, I might drop it. But every time you whine, I'll be ready to respond. You're posting just as much noise in the thread as I am. Want it to stop? IGNORE ME.
Alls I was saying is that your useless comment was a perfect example of the "leakage" that was brought up earlier. If you want to keep dripping, go ahead, but ask yourself why you are in the racing forum and what you hope to add.
Alls I was saying is that your useless comment was a perfect example of the "leakage" that was brought up earlier. If you want to keep dripping, go ahead, but ask yourself why you are in the racing forum and what you hope to add.
umd
01-05-10, 09:12 PM
At least in my area, mapmyride is not always accurate. I have been on numerous rides where the mapmyride total elevation gain is x, yet some of the riders on the rides w/ garmins end up with 1.5x or even 2x. Maybe that is just around here though...
Yeah, in my experience neither is particularly accurate for any "total" information, but it would still give a rough idea of the general terrain that the OP is working with.
Yeah, in my experience neither is particularly accurate for any "total" information, but it would still give a rough idea of the general terrain that the OP is working with.
Doohickie
01-05-10, 09:19 PM
Alls I was saying is that your useless comment was a perfect example of the "leakage" that was brought up earlier. If you want to keep dripping, go ahead, but ask yourself why you are in the racing forum and what you hope to add.
And just what are you adding to the thread by this whole side conversation? Not a darned thing. My point is this: In criticizing everyone else, you are becoming what you criticize- a bunch of empty noise. Your whining is ridiculous.
And just what are you adding to the thread by this whole side conversation? Not a darned thing. My point is this: In criticizing everyone else, you are becoming what you criticize- a bunch of empty noise. Your whining is ridiculous.
umd
01-05-10, 09:22 PM
And just what are you adding to the thread by this whole side conversation? Not a darned thing. My point is this: In criticizing everyone else, you are becoming what you criticize- a bunch of empty noise. Your whining is ridiculous.
It takes a mess to clean up a mess. Still waiting for something useful from you.
It takes a mess to clean up a mess. Still waiting for something useful from you.
Doohickie
01-05-10, 09:23 PM
It takes a mess to clean up a mess. Still waiting for something useful from you.
At this point, there's nothing useful coming out of you, either.
At this point, there's nothing useful coming out of you, either.
umd
01-05-10, 09:25 PM
At this point, there's nothing useful coming out of you, either.
Incorrect. I've posted several useful things in this thread, including a few minutes ago (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?612968-Can-only-climb-9-12-mph&p=10231739&viewfull=1#post10231739).
Incorrect. I've posted several useful things in this thread, including a few minutes ago (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?612968-Can-only-climb-9-12-mph&p=10231739&viewfull=1#post10231739).
Doohickie
01-05-10, 09:34 PM
Perhaps, but there's just as much noise coming out of you as there is out of me.
umd
01-05-10, 09:40 PM
Maybe as much noise at the moment, but I actually have signal. Your signal:noise ratio in the racing forum is 0.
Just answer me why you are responding to a thread in the racing forum and I'll leave you alone.
Just answer me why you are responding to a thread in the racing forum and I'll leave you alone.
Doohickie
01-05-10, 09:58 PM
Honestly? I wasn't trying to troll. I was trying to pay the OP a compliment by asking, "So what's wrong with that?" when he said he thought he should be faster on hills. For some of the hills I travel regularly (and are ridden by Real Racers (TM)), the stated speed would be typical. So I was trying to offer a little encouragement.
And you start in about the anal seepage or whatever you call it, singling me out. You know, a common perception of a road bike racer is that of a whiny prima dona, and you've been all that and more in this thread. I didn't set out to ruin your world. It's a message forum. This thread, as well as threads from all the other subforums, showed up on the New Posts page. It's not that I was trying to invade your inner sanctum, I just clicked on the thread from New Posts.
If you look at all the noise in this thread, and look at how much of it was me and how much of it was you, you'll probably see we generated about the same amount. So if I'm guilty of posting a bunch of empty noise in this thread, so are you. But I can recognize that I've been a pain in the butt. Can you see that you've been one as well?
Now, you're right in that as a non-racer, my contribution to the discussion is limited. No problem, and I would have gone away. But you felt the need to single me out as a problem. Note that you're the one who started bulling around with a chip on his shoulder. I'm not usually a problem, but if you want to call me one, by gosh I'll be one. But honestly, I like to think I'm not that much of a pain in the butt, so I'll back down now.
Anyway, at this point, I'll go away which will no doubt make you happy. No hard feelings, mmmkay?
And you start in about the anal seepage or whatever you call it, singling me out. You know, a common perception of a road bike racer is that of a whiny prima dona, and you've been all that and more in this thread. I didn't set out to ruin your world. It's a message forum. This thread, as well as threads from all the other subforums, showed up on the New Posts page. It's not that I was trying to invade your inner sanctum, I just clicked on the thread from New Posts.
If you look at all the noise in this thread, and look at how much of it was me and how much of it was you, you'll probably see we generated about the same amount. So if I'm guilty of posting a bunch of empty noise in this thread, so are you. But I can recognize that I've been a pain in the butt. Can you see that you've been one as well?
Now, you're right in that as a non-racer, my contribution to the discussion is limited. No problem, and I would have gone away. But you felt the need to single me out as a problem. Note that you're the one who started bulling around with a chip on his shoulder. I'm not usually a problem, but if you want to call me one, by gosh I'll be one. But honestly, I like to think I'm not that much of a pain in the butt, so I'll back down now.
Anyway, at this point, I'll go away which will no doubt make you happy. No hard feelings, mmmkay?
tspek
01-05-10, 09:59 PM
What's your point? I was giving an example of the "leakage" that the doc was referring to in his recent post/rant.
Seems silly to get worked up about it.
Seems silly to get worked up about it.
Grumpy McTrumpy
01-05-10, 10:00 PM
mapmyride is very accurate over short distances. plotting an elevation graph of a single one-mile section of a climb will map it to very good resolution. Its major flaw is in the resolution over longer distances (which is horrible), but that doesn't matter here, since we are just trying to ascertain what the average grade of a three minute hill is.
umd
01-05-10, 10:13 PM
Seems silly to get worked up about it.
The problem with the internet is that you cannot distinguish making a comment from "getting worked up about it." As I said when I posted it, I was waiting for my wife to get off the phone, so I killing time. Normally I'm on the side while doing other stuff, but I was bored and it was getting my full attention. As I've have explained ad nauseum at this point, I was simply pointing this out as an example of the "leakage" that was brough up in the doc's post last week. If you interepreted that as "getting worked up" about it then I am sorry for that, but the point stands.
Honestly? I wasn't trying to troll.
I never said you were trolling. Just that it was an example of the road forum leaking over.
And you start in about the anal seepage or whatever you call it, singling me out.
Anal seepage huh? So the road forum is a giant anus? I didn't single you out though. You and 10 Wheels. So not single...
This thread, as well as threads from all the other subforums, showed up on the New Posts page. It's not that I was trying to invade your inner sanctum, I just clicked on the thread from New Posts.
I figured. That's part of the problem
If you look at all the noise in this thread, and look at how much of it was me and how much of it was you, you'll probably see we generated about the same amount. So if I'm guilty of posting a bunch of empty noise in this thread, so are you. But I can recognize that I've been a pain in the butt. Can you see that you've been one as well?
Yes, I see that our "discussion" was stupid. But can you see that I have actually contributed to this thread in addition to our asinine little sideshow?
The problem with the internet is that you cannot distinguish making a comment from "getting worked up about it." As I said when I posted it, I was waiting for my wife to get off the phone, so I killing time. Normally I'm on the side while doing other stuff, but I was bored and it was getting my full attention. As I've have explained ad nauseum at this point, I was simply pointing this out as an example of the "leakage" that was brough up in the doc's post last week. If you interepreted that as "getting worked up" about it then I am sorry for that, but the point stands.
Honestly? I wasn't trying to troll.
I never said you were trolling. Just that it was an example of the road forum leaking over.
And you start in about the anal seepage or whatever you call it, singling me out.
Anal seepage huh? So the road forum is a giant anus? I didn't single you out though. You and 10 Wheels. So not single...
This thread, as well as threads from all the other subforums, showed up on the New Posts page. It's not that I was trying to invade your inner sanctum, I just clicked on the thread from New Posts.
I figured. That's part of the problem
If you look at all the noise in this thread, and look at how much of it was me and how much of it was you, you'll probably see we generated about the same amount. So if I'm guilty of posting a bunch of empty noise in this thread, so are you. But I can recognize that I've been a pain in the butt. Can you see that you've been one as well?
Yes, I see that our "discussion" was stupid. But can you see that I have actually contributed to this thread in addition to our asinine little sideshow?
Doohickie
01-05-10, 10:15 PM
Yes.
Peace.
Peace.
umd
01-05-10, 10:22 PM
Peace.
And I'm sorry to everyone else for all the "noise."
And I'm sorry to everyone else for all the "noise."
tspek
01-05-10, 10:22 PM
As I've have explained ad nauseum at this point, I was simply pointing this out as an example of the "leakage" that was brough up in the doc's post last week. If you interepreted that as "getting worked up" about it then I am sorry for that, but the point stands.
Ah, sorry. I really haven't taken the time to read most of the thread, nor the rant you speak of.
Ah, sorry. I really haven't taken the time to read most of the thread, nor the rant you speak of.
KiddSisko
01-05-10, 10:25 PM
Perhaps, but there's just as much noise coming out of you as there is out of me.
Maybe as much noise at the moment, but I actually have signal. Your signal:noise ratio in the racing forum is 0.
Just answer me why you are responding to a thread in the racing forum and I'll leave you alone.
Seems silly to get worked up about it.
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http://myapologies.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/king_rodney.jpg
Maybe as much noise at the moment, but I actually have signal. Your signal:noise ratio in the racing forum is 0.
Just answer me why you are responding to a thread in the racing forum and I'll leave you alone.
Seems silly to get worked up about it.
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http://myapologies.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/king_rodney.jpg
umd
01-05-10, 10:26 PM
Ah, sorry. I really haven't taken the time to read most of the thread, nor the rant you speak of.
No worries.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?611215-Why-is-there-so-much-leakage-from-the-road-cycling-forum
No worries.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?611215-Why-is-there-so-much-leakage-from-the-road-cycling-forum
umd
01-05-10, 10:27 PM
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You better come do the Simi ride on Saturday ;)
You better come do the Simi ride on Saturday ;)
kuf
01-06-10, 02:23 AM
In all fairness, umd was waiting for me to finish talking to my brother about my nephew's lost luggage and options. The little so-cal dude flew out to Indiana and is a popsicle with no proper jacket in the carry-ons.
kuf
01-06-10, 02:40 AM
well I live in the Ozarks and just got an Allez. Whenever I reach a hill I tend to power right up to the base of it then try and keep my cadence at 90.
I shift down whenever it starts to drop. Anything between 5-9 percent grade I seem to be able to keep about 12 mph for about 3 min. We have a few crazy hills from 10-20 percent grade and I seem to usually be able to keep 8-9 mph.
I stay in the saddle a lot as well.
I just want to know if that is decent climbing speed or if not how much I should try and improve it by April when races get going.
It all depends on what kind of races you plan on doing. For example, if you'll be doing mostly crits, climbing won't help much. There are so many variables, but what you need to know is that now that you have posted in the 33, you have committed to buying a power meter in the not-so-distant future. A bike computer like the Garmin Edge 500 (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=36728&ra=true) (power ready) would be a good first step.
I shift down whenever it starts to drop. Anything between 5-9 percent grade I seem to be able to keep about 12 mph for about 3 min. We have a few crazy hills from 10-20 percent grade and I seem to usually be able to keep 8-9 mph.
I stay in the saddle a lot as well.
I just want to know if that is decent climbing speed or if not how much I should try and improve it by April when races get going.
It all depends on what kind of races you plan on doing. For example, if you'll be doing mostly crits, climbing won't help much. There are so many variables, but what you need to know is that now that you have posted in the 33, you have committed to buying a power meter in the not-so-distant future. A bike computer like the Garmin Edge 500 (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=36728&ra=true) (power ready) would be a good first step.