Training & Nutrition - weight training legs and cycling too much?

Is it too much to do weight training along with cycling? i ride around 30 miles a day 5-6 x week at about 90-100rpms in the summer. It has slowed down significantly now in the winter, but i still do the trainer. I try to do a lot of interval training on the trainer cause Im not getting as many miles in. I also started going to a gym to get some upper body strength which i dont have. My legs are pretty muscular and I dont want to overdo it. It makes no sense to me to do leg presses when you do cycling cause your just reworking the quads. Right? Plus, with cycling you are getting the aerobic workout in addition to strengthening your legs.Should I do different machines? I use the nautilus machines at my gym. Thanks a lot.

I don't think so, but you probably don't have to do a lot

Nope.

Do exercises to create balance. Deadlifts, straightleg deadlifts, core exercises, plyometrics, that sort of thing.
Take the day off or go for a long walk the day after you go to the gym.

Cycling builds the front, deadlifts work the backside.

If you don't need to use machines, use free weights.

Yes, you should be able to lift weights. Yes, I do different leg exercises and run and swim and bike. It will not hurt you if you do it properly.

Is it too much to do weight training along with cycling? i ride around 30 miles a day 5-6 x week at about 90-100rpms in the summer. It has slowed down significantly now in the winter, but i still do the trainer. I try to do a lot of interval training on the trainer cause Im not getting as many miles in. I also started going to a gym to get some upper body strength which i dont have. My legs are pretty muscular and I dont want to overdo it. It makes no sense to me to do leg presses when you do cycling cause your just reworking the quads. Right? Plus, with cycling you are getting the aerobic workout in addition to strengthening your legs.Should I do different machines? I use the nautilus machines at my gym. Thanks a lot.

Forget about the leg presses & machines. Get yourself over to the barbell & start doing multiple-joint exercises that involve the posterior chain (Hamstrings, Glutes, Hips, Legs & Lower back) & core.

Personally, I do my lowerbody weight training 3x a week. 1 day dedicated to Max Effort, 2 days dedictated to Dynamic Effort<<<After Hams/Glutes have been blasted, I hit the Core/Abs/Hip Flexors<<< Then I go out & smash my pedals.

Next day, Upperbody... Then Core/Abs again.... (3/4x Per Week)

Tip. To blast your hamstrings even more & give your calves something to think about, stick boards or books underneath the balls of your feet when performing the Deadlift.

I lift, alot. 3 days a week. I'm working on getting strong enough to powerlift. It probably won't negatively affect your performance, really. You'd get used to the volume.

Depending upon how big/strong you want to get, find leg exercises that compliment your cycling and limit to a couple of times a week. Also, it seems that traditional leg exercises can build bulk whereas cycling leads to muscular but leaner legs. That said, I think that some form of weight bearing exercise is always a good idea and can compliment all your other athletic endeavors. Since time is a big factor in my ability to train, I depend on my daily cycle commuting for the bulk of my leg work and cardio, I then use the gym twice a week to work my upper body/core, and do specific, re-hab type exercises to strengthen my knees and specific leg weaknesses in the Winter "off season".

A big factor regarding Bulk/Mass/Size is your daily caloric intake, you just need to control it. Some of the strongest lb for lb guys in the world are very thin due to the amount they consume daily. They go into the gym to get strong not a pump.

Is it a bad idea to lift and ride on the same day (like, ride in the morning before work, then go to the gym after work)? I'm trying to actually train this year and still making my way through the Friel book, but I'm still unsure about this. I'm following his weight-training plan but it's not clear to me if that's supposed to be its own day, or if it can be combined with a riding day.

My biggest problem tends to be over-doing it, but I'd like to do both on the same day if possible so that I can still ride most days (most of that riding is on rollers/trainer right now).

Is it a bad idea to lift and ride on the same day (like, ride in the morning before work, then go to the gym after work)? I'm trying to actually train this year and still making my way through the Friel book, but I'm still unsure about this. I'm following his weight-training plan but it's not clear to me if that's supposed to be its own day, or if it can be combined with a riding day.

My biggest problem tends to be over-doing it, but I'd like to do both on the same day if possible so that I can still ride most days (most of that riding is on rollers/trainer right now).

If your going to combine weight training w/cycling on the same day, you will sure be stimulating your central nervous system, with a high possibility of burn out if you don't control the volume of exercise. You still can go out riding most days, weight training doesn't have to mean eyeballs out. Starting light allows for more time for you to progress forward. It’s easy for anyone – beginner or advanced – to want to get ahead of themselves. This is a very hard pill to swallow for most lifters. They want to start heavy, and they want to start now. This is nothing more than ego, and nothing will destroy you faster, or for longer, than ego. This goes hand in hand with starting light. Slow progress might not get you the best rewards today, but it will tomorrow.

I do my weights in the morning, then I go out riding, converting my strength in the gym to power on the bike, but then again I'm a soccer player not a cyclist but it works for me. There is no way I could go out hard riding, come back & lift weights, no way. Far too shattering. In my experience do the weights beforehand or weights then get on the rollers/trainer.

I signed up on trainingpeaks.com (Joe Friel's site) and the virtual coach recommends 2-3 days a week in the gym. On my lifting days I generally do not ride but if I do it's a 30 min Zone 1/Zone 2 ride. mostly Zone 1 work

right now I'm in a heavy phase but it only lasts a month.... and 12 work outs max

I've been lifting and riding for many years. Any answer to your question should depend on your goals, and that answer will be different depending on those goals. I'm going to answer as though your goal were simply improved cycling performance.

There is no demonstrable positive relationship between conventional weight lifting and cycling performance. That said, studies can't test for everything and can't test everyone. So we'll proceed assuming that in your case there might be such a positive relationship. But that being said, it is certain that there is a positive relationship between training on the bike and cycling performance. So we can conclude that you must not miss rides so that you can lift weights. Therefore, you must ride and lift on the same day.

Biking is just my hobby and I don't commute, so I have to do it all in the evening. I have found that when I do two different trainings on the same day, I derive the most benefit from the first training. Therefore, ride your bike first, then lift weights. We might call this a cyclist's brick. If you were lifting like a bodybuilder, you'd do it the other way around, like they do. In a way, this training order simulates a "flat" ride where you'll ride long for endurance, then go hard for the kilo and sprint. So I do these bricks only on days when I'm not doing intervals, just putting in zone 2-3 endurance miles. Helpfully, it's then possible to ride to the gym and do a few sprints on the way home to loosen your legs back up. Whether it's due to these workouts or not, I enjoy sprinting.

Lifting once a week will maintain strength. Twice will increase it. Three times will increase it quickly, but can easily lead to overdoing it if you don't recover.

There is no demonstrable positive relationship between conventional weight lifting and cycling performance.

Heres one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTWgNCmvHwI

Another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDawlrIeaVM

Jan Ullrich also lifted weights off season & never surpassed a 42% Hematocrit...

Huh. I should probably mention that I've never regarded youtube videos as scientific evidence.

One might also remember that Lance had to lose 7 kilos of useless protein leading up to the 2009TdF, and the donut always had to lose weight and gain conditioning every year after he showed up at spring camp. I seem to remember that Jan also had some other problem . . .

This is the best compendium of research I know of at this time:

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/04/cdp.doc

Weight training has a good rap, and trainers are more than willing to sell you on their programs, but when you get into the nitty-gritty, there's just no evidence.

One approach that I've used is for one year to substitute weight training stress for cycling stress. They aren't 1:1, time-wise. Weight training stress is more like interval stress - IOW it's really easy to overtrain in the weight room. So if you add weights, you're going to be forced to drop some cycling intensity. But everyone is different and has to experiment to find the size of their training envelope. So then when summer comes, you TT your favorite long climb and see how you do.

Next year, you drop the weights and add cycling time and intensity. See what happens. Or do it the other way 'round, whatever.

I'd also like to make the point that if you're old and/or unmotivated, and don't ride enough to fill your envelope, you will lose strength and sustainable power, whereas if you'd gone to the gym once in a while, you'd have at least retained some of that strength. OTOH, you could have just ridden more . . . (see Merckx, Eddie)

I wouldn't worry about it, but if you are feeling sore at all I would recommend a good protein shake with some glutamine and amino acids for a faster recovery. Typically for your body to fully repair your muscles is about 24-48 hours depending on the damage it occurred during the workout and how big the muscle is. Since the legs are the biggest muscle in the body it does take a little bit longer. But if your not soar then it seems like you are in shape, continue what you are doing.

Since the legs are the biggest muscle in the body it does take a little bit longer.

Glutes are the biggest.