Advocacy & Safety - an avoidable outcome

Sad news. Helmets do prevent serious injury.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-helmet-led-to-kesslers-skull-fracture

Good news. Helmet destroyed, rider okay.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/soler-escapes-serious-injury-following-training-crash

Sad news. Helmets do prevent serious injury.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-helmet-led-to-kesslers-skull-fracture


Your statement is a conjecture.

Your statement is a conjecture.

Okay, it is pure conjecture. So what is your point about the benefit, or lack thereof, of helmets?

Obviously, no one knows what would have happened if a helmet had been worn, but few would conclude that the result would have been worse, if a helmet was worn.

I've broken 6 helmets in 10 different wrecks over 25 years and I'm certain that injury was prevented by wearing one, particularly the time when I went over the front and the only thing that kept my eye socket off the pavement was the helmet. I still got a cut when my eyeglass frame was shoved into my face, near my eye, but the cut was not severe.

So what is your point about the benefit, or lack thereof, of helmets?

Looking for a argument? Show me your facts.

Looking for a argument? Show me your facts.

...and take it to A & S. Epic 55+ page thread over there.

...and take it to A & S. Epic 55+ page thread over there.

+1

Go wait over there Bigtea, I'll be there in a few minutes.:rolleyes:

For facking sake, do we REALLY have to argue that hearing a helmet is a good idea?! :twitchy:

Fine clausen, don't wear a helmet. Get in a crash and get effing brain damaged. Don't come looking to me, tax payers, or insurance companies for help for you or your family because you were too stupid to take every reasonable precaution to avoid serious injury. Same for motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets, same for car drivers that don't wear seat belts. Once you've done everything you can to be safe, then cry me a river.

Is cycling dangerous, yes it is...just as is driving a car. But because it's inherently dangerous doesn't mean that we shouldn't do all we can to be safe. That includes a helmet.

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There is lots of evidence that motorcycle helmets and seat belts increase safety. There is little evidence that bicycle helmets prevent or lessen the severity of head injuries in adults.

There is lots of evidence that motorcycle helmets and seat belts increase safety. There is little evidence that bicycle helmets prevent or lessen the severity of head injuries in adults.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/botto/f3fb85f8.gif..

For facking sake, do we REALLY have to argue that hearing a helmet is a good idea?! :twitchy:

Fine clausen, don't wear a helmet. Get in a crash and get effing brain damaged. Don't come looking to me, tax payers, or insurance companies for help for you or your family because you were too stupid to take every reasonable precaution to avoid serious injury. Same for motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets, same for car drivers that don't wear seat belts. Once you've done everything you can to be safe, then cry me a river.

Is cycling dangerous, yes it is...just as is driving a car. But because it's inherently dangerous doesn't mean that we shouldn't do all we can to be safe. That includes a helmet.

I do wear a helmet, that's my choice and MY OPINION is that it provide safety in the case of a crash.

My whole point is that without facts trying arguing/preaching is stupid.

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Count to 10, deep breath.

How about senseless troll threads that are placed in the wrong forum earn the OP an infraction? Is this board even moderated anymore, or is everyone tied up still figuring out the train wreck board package?

How about senseless troll threads that are placed in the wrong forum earn the OP an infraction?

I'll second that.

This needs to be in A&S. Late moderation as opposed to no moderation.:o

Helmets mess up my hair.

"Lack of Helmet led to Skull Fracture" how about "Lack of not Crashing led to Skull Fracture"

“I was saved but my bicycle and helmet were destroyed.” — Mauricio Soler.

It would be interesting to ask him.

And ... too bad about the bike!:cry:

"Lack of Helmet led to Skull Fracture" how about "Lack of not Crashing led to Skull Fracture"Or better yet, doping increased his red blood cell count, causing serious and nearly fatal blood clotting.

Sad news. Helmets do prevent serious injury.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-helmet-led-to-kesslers-skull-fracture

You really have to get out more.

What do you say to all those cyclists who receive fractured skulls while wearing helmets? (Oh wait, I know. It would have been worse had they not been wearing a helmet!)

Join the thread this ridiculous conjecture belongs in.

Helmets are all about fear. Cycling is no more dangerous than being a pedestrian. (http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1034.html) Stories are told to wring out an emotional reaction and side step logical thought. Not making the best decisions lead to worse outcomes. Head injuries among cyclists have gone up as more and more cyclists started wearing helmets. (http://bicycleuniverse.info/eqp/helmets-nyt.html) and, countries with the most helmet use also have the most head injuries. (http://www.cyclehelmets.org/)

You really have to get out more.

What do you say to all those cyclists who receive fractured skulls while wearing helmets? (Oh wait, I know. It would have been worse had they not been wearing a helmet!)

Join the thread this ridiculous conjecture belongs in.

Helmets are all about fear. Cycling is no more dangerous than being a pedestrian. (http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1034.html) Stories are told to wring out an emotional reaction and side step logical thought. Not making the best decisions lead to worse outcomes. Head injuries among cyclists have gone up as more and more cyclists started wearing helmets. (http://bicycleuniverse.info/eqp/helmets-nyt.html) and, countries with the most helmet use also have the most head injuries. (http://www.cyclehelmets.org/)

Amen!
The nervous nannies who percieve themselves as the intellectual elite and are bound and determined to "save" everyone who isn't as smart really tick me off.

Quite often, nervous nannies rely on anecdotal stories, the anecdotal stories that enforce their predetermined viewpoints.

If one examines the problem in it's entirety, the issue becomes better understood, but nervous nannies rarely do examine the problem in it's entirety. They only examine what they want to know. They turn a blind eye to stories that go against their vision and fail to place the stories into proper context. They also tend to make exaggerated claims of a helmets effectiveness.

Not this again.

Quite often, nervous nannies rely on anecdotal stories, the anecdotal stories that enforce their predetermined viewpoints.

you got some stats to back that up? what percentage of the time is "quite often"?

you got some stats to back that up? what percentage of the time is "quite often"?

perhaps, you'd like to continue the conversation here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?540354-Helmets-cramp-my-style-Part-2), or are you arguing the nature of human behavior?