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Machka
01-21-10, 12:17 AM
The official PBP brochure has been released:

You can read it from the Audax Australia website here:
http://audax.org.au/public/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=2&id=17&Itemid=160

Or I think this link (through the Audax Australia website) will take you directly there:
http://audax.org.au/public/images/stories/MajorRides/PBP/PBP2011Brochure.pdf

Enjoy!!


unterhausen
01-21-10, 07:46 AM
Glad to see the ACP has short-circuited some of the stupider ideas that were floating around.
ACP has now made the 1000km preregistration official:
1000km in 2010 -> Preregister April 3, 2011
600km in 2010 -> Preregister April 17
400km in 2010 -> Preregister May 1
300km in 2010 -> Preregister May 15
200km in 2010 -> Preregister May 29

on edit: I suppose this doesn't really preclude a national organization from doing something silly.

The ACP probably doesn't care much about this, but organizations like RUSA don't want to have these rules disrupt the wave of memberships they get every PBP year. My thought is that there will be a significant number of people participating in PBP that only do a SR series in 2011.

Machka
01-21-10, 02:56 PM
The original idea was that all you had to do was a 400K in 2010 in order to be able to register early. Then there was all sorts of debate about what if everyone did a 400K and registered early. So in mid-December 2009, the ACP added the 600K and 1000K. Simple and straightforward. :)

And all you have to do is one 1000K. Doing more will not get you any further ahead.



That's exactly what I did prior to doing the 2003 PBP. In 2002, I rode an SR series and the Rocky Mountain 1200. It was very good practice to do something like that in my own country prior to going to France to do it there.


LWaB
01-22-10, 02:18 AM
The original idea was that all you had to do was a 400K in 2010 in order to be able to register early. Then there was all sorts of debate about what if everyone did a 400K and registered early. So in mid-December 2009, the ACP added the 600K and 1000K. Simple and straightforward. :)

And all you have to do is one 1000K. Doing more will not get you any further ahead.

Incorrect, the quotas for some countries will certainly be exceeded (Australia's will certainly be exceeded). Sure, a 1000 in 2010 will get you in but will all the 2010 600 riders get in? Probably but not all of the 2010 400 rider are certain to do so. At some point, the quota kicks in and the ACP has said that it will be up to the national organisations to make the cut.

It is a real crock of **** that the ACP changed their PBP pre-qualification rules after the 2010 calendar was fixed in stone.

Machka
01-22-10, 03:07 AM
Incorrect, the quotas for some countries will certainly be exceeded (Australia's will certainly be exceeded). Sure, a 1000 in 2010 will get you in but will all the 2010 600 riders get in? Probably but not all of the 2010 400 rider are certain to do so. At some point, the quota kicks in and the ACP has said that it will be up to the national organisations to make the cut.


You're agreeing with me ... or not disagreeing with me. Whichever, what I am saying is correct, and you're confirming that.

Yes, the quotas for some countries will be exceeded, but doing two or three 1000K randonnees in a year, instead of just one, isn't going to increase the chances that a person will make the cut. I highly doubt that everyone who wants to go to the PBP will successfully complete a 1000K randonnee this year.

It will likely work out that all the 1000K riders will get in (so someone who has done just one 1000K will be fine) ... all the 600K riders will get in, all the 400K riders will get in, and perhaps there might be some issues once Australia gets down to the 300K and 200K riders. At that point, I believe the plan is to look at the riders who have done more riding up to, but not exceeding, 2500 km of brevets in 2010.

bmike
01-22-10, 05:08 AM
So essentially we have a 2 year qualification period now. If someone wants to have the best chance in a country with lots of potential qualifiers one gets to go out and do a SR series + 1000k in 2010 to 'preregister' in early 2011, and do the SR series all over again in 2011 to 'register'.

gazer
01-22-10, 03:09 PM
So essentially we have a 2 year qualification period now. If someone wants to have the best chance in a country with lots of potential qualifiers one gets to go out and do a SR series + 1000k in 2010 to 'preregister' in early 2011, and do the SR series all over again in 2011 to 'register'.

Sort of. It really just gives those that have shown an interest in riding brevets for longer than a year priority.

It will be interesting to see how quickly slots fill up. I'd actually be surprised if no one who doesn't ride at least one brevet this year is admitted to PBP. I really doubt the number of people who do >=1000k in 2010 will make a huge dent in any quota.

unterhausen
01-22-10, 09:06 PM
You're agreeing with me ... or not disagreeing with me. Whichever, what I am saying is correct, and you're confirming that.
Maybe he's disagreeing with me.

If you want to be sure to be able to register, move to Costa Rica. Guaranteed a slot if you have an SR series in 2011

chewybrian
01-23-10, 04:11 AM
1000km in 2010 -> Preregister April 3, 2011
600km in 2010 -> Preregister April 17
400km in 2010 -> Preregister May 1
300km in 2010 -> Preregister May 15
200km in 2010 -> Preregister May 29

The process looks better all the time, for 2011 at least. If all the 1000k riders from your country get in, then you can't say you didn't get your chance.

It seems like they should spell out the tiebreaker, though, like most brevet miles. And, of course, this method can easily become obsolete in future years, with growth in the number of folks who want to ride.

I give them credit for this time around, for making the system fair and spelling it out clearly.

bmike
01-24-10, 11:58 AM
Sort of. It really just gives those that have shown an interest in riding brevets for longer than a year priority.



yeah, thats kind of what i said... :)

mattm
01-24-10, 12:04 PM
I don't see what all the worry is about - this is still just a bike ride... right?

Machka
01-24-10, 03:49 PM
I don't see what all the worry is about - this is still just a bike ride... right?

Yep ... and I've heard that there will be other 1200Ks in the 2011 PBP year for the first time (ever?). In the past, during the PBP years, the PBP was the only 1200K allowed. Now that there are so many riders wanting to do the PBP, there's talk that other 1200Ks will be allowed to kind of spread the riders out.

If there's something else on in Europe, I might be interested in doing that instead.

skiffrun
01-24-10, 04:29 PM
Yep ... and I've heard that there will be other 1200Ks in the 2011 PBP year for the first time (ever?). In the past, during the PBP years, the PBP was the only 1200K allowed. Now that there are so many riders wanting to do the PBP, there's talk that other 1200Ks will be allowed to kind of spread the riders out.

If there's something else on in Europe, I might be interested in doing that instead.More than just talk.

At the international business meeting after the end-of-PBP-2007, the idea that other 1200 km rides would be allowed was "moved", and the motion carried.

Another thing that was changed was allowing brevet pre-rides to be more than a week before the scheduled ride.

I'm sure everyone can find the link, probably through the RUSA site, where the business meeting was discussed in combination with someone's report on the 2007 ride.
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I am thinking that a Yogi Berra paraphrase will soon be applicable to PBP:

No one rides that anymore, it is too crowded.

reversegear
01-25-10, 03:58 PM
More than just talk.

At the international business meeting after the end-of-PBP-2007...

The question remains, are there any 1200's planned for 2011 other than PBP and if so, where?

Machka
01-25-10, 04:34 PM
Well, I expect they would start to come up on the new and improved Les Randonneurs Mondiaux website:
http://www.lesrandonneursmondiaux.org/

Check the calendar for BRM events this year:
http://www.lesrandonneursmondiaux.org/calendar.html


The UMCA calendar should also have events, but they too only list events for the current year:
http://www.ultracycling.com/events/rides.html

GLA
01-26-10, 01:08 AM
It looks like they are also going to count a Randonneurs Mondiaux sanctioned 1200km as a 1000km.

I'm pretty pleased about that.

PBP may be 18 months away but I'm still getting pretty excited about it. PBP is just another bike ride just like the superbowl is just another football game.

BTW, go the Saints... yes I follow it down under.

Machka
01-26-10, 02:39 AM
Yes, according to the brochure you can substitute a 1200K for a 1000K.

Daveyboy
02-03-10, 10:17 PM
So, if one completes a Brevet series (200, 300, 400, & 600) in 2010 and then 'pre-registers'; does that guarantee a successful 'registration' (assuming you complete another series in 2011 and then formally complete registration)?

In other words, is pre-registration on a first come, first served basis (thus guaranteeing a slot) or is there some other allocation process if that countrys' allocation is exceeded during the pre-reg period?

Machka
02-04-10, 12:22 AM
So, if one completes a Brevet series (200, 300, 400, & 600) in 2010 and then 'pre-registers'; does that guarantee a successful 'registration' (assuming you complete another series in 2011 and then formally complete registration)?

In other words, is pre-registration on a first come, first served basis (thus guaranteeing a slot) or is there some other allocation process if that countrys' allocation is exceeded during the pre-reg period?

No. You are not guaranteed a spot.

If you complete a 1000K (or 1200K) you are reasonably assured of getting a spot ... but there is no guarantee. If 5010 people opt to ride a 1000K this year, some may not get in.

If you complete a 600K you are less assured of getting a spot because there will be quite a few people who do the 1000K ride. If 4000 people ride a 1000K this year, and 2000 people ride a 600K, roughly 1000 of those 2000 who completed a 600K will not get a spot.

Individual countries will be given a specific allocation, and I think it might be up to them to make decisions regarding some of the applicants.

I personally think the previous two scenarios I gave are unlikely. I suspect that there will be maybe 1000 people who ride the 1000K, another 1500 people who ride a 600K, maybe 2000 people who ride a 400K (total 4500 so far) ...... and then if 3000 people ride at least a 300K, and if that puts certain countries over their allocated amounts, those countries will have to make some decisions.


Incidentally, there is nothing in the information about completing a Super Randonneur series in 2010. RUSA is the only organization I know that requires their members to ride a 200K before a 300K, a 300K before a 400K, a 400K before a 600K, and so on (or at least that's what I was told). Most other organizations allow their members to leap right in and do whatever distance they want. In Canada, for example, all you'd have to ride in 2010 is a 1000K. That's it. No 200K, 300K, 400K, or 600Ks, just a 1000K. I believe it is the same here in Australia and Rowan and I have our eye on a particular 1000K which I'm hoping I will be fit enough to ride.

That said, completing a few additional brevets may be what your country requires in order to make their decision, especially if the longest brevet you opt to ride this year is a 300K or 400K.

danimal123
02-04-10, 04:45 AM
Ummm, Machka....not sure if that's right. No RUSA brevet I've ridden required a qualifier (i.e., 200km before 300 km, etc.). They may be out there, but I haven't seen one.

I know many RBAs who recommend such a course of action, just to ensure you have a reasonable chance of fininshing, but I've yet to see one where it's required.

Caveat: Most 1000km rides do require a SR series to qualify.

I for one was already planning on doing a 1000 km in 2010, as that's all I have standing between me and my R-5000....helping pre-qualify for the 2011 PBP is icing on the cake!

Homeyba
02-04-10, 08:15 PM
... RUSA is the only organization I know that requires their members to ride a 200K before a 300K, a 300K before a 400K, a 400K before a 600K, and so on (or at least that's what I was told)...

Whoever told you that Machka wasn't correct. You can do them in any order and you don't even have to do a complete series to do 1000k or even a 1200k if you get the RBA's approval. There are a whole bunch of RBA's here in the states and they are all a little different in how they enforce or don't enforce rules.

The Octopus
02-04-10, 08:21 PM
RUSA is the only organization I know that requires their members to ride a 200K before a 300K, a 300K before a 400K, a 400K before a 600K, and so on (or at least that's what I was told).

Not so, at least not since 2005 when I began randonneuring. RUSA does not require this in their Rules for Riders, and I don't know a single RBA that requires it. I've only done 1 1000K, and that had no prerequisites, either.

As for what gets you assured a spot in PBP, I don't think RUSA has decided how it's going to deal with the country quota that will apply to the U.S. Keep in mind this is entirely separate from the ACP priority system. It's possible that RUSA comes up with a system where, because spots are held for new people, that someone who rode a 1000K in 2010 gets denied while someone else who is brand new to randonneuring in 2011 gets a spot. I suspect we Americans will find a way to louse this process up and engender years of complaining.

The Octopus
02-04-10, 08:27 PM
... you don't even have to do a complete series to do ... even a 1200k if you get the RBA's approval.
Two of the 4 domestic 1200Ks I've done I did without meeting the ride prerequisites. If you've got a track record of successfully completing the longer rides well within time, and especially if you have had good results in other 1200Ks, I've found the U.S. RBAs to be quite accomodating at waiving the prerequisites.

Machka
02-04-10, 10:09 PM
Whoever told you that Machka wasn't correct. You can do them in any order and you don't even have to do a complete series to do 1000k or even a 1200k if you get the RBA's approval. There are a whole bunch of RBA's here in the states and they are all a little different in how they enforce or don't enforce rules.

OK, that's good to know. I was surprised when I was told that they had to be completed in order.

Personally, I've discovered that I like the order of 200K, 300K ... then the 600K, then the 400K. I tried that, and had my best 600K and one of my best 400Ks. Getting the 600K out of the way early just meant I was relaxed and comfortable on the 400K.

kk27
02-09-10, 10:42 AM
Hey guys,

I've recently completed my 1st BRM 200km... actually the first on Indian soil. And the Rondonneuring concept has gone down pretty well with many of us. And although its a very long shot for us first time Randonnees we too are dreaming of the PBP 2011.

When they say 1000km in 2010... does that mean the calendar year 2010 or the BRM calendar (Nov-Oct). The thing is we are planning to have a 1000km ride somewhere in Dec2010, would that qualify for the preregistration??? or is the 1000km required before Nov2010??? Dec is the best time to ride since that's the only best time to such a long ride here in India due to the hot & humid conditions in Summers & the heavy downpours in the Rainy season.

GLA
02-09-10, 11:37 AM
Hey guys,

I've recently completed my 1st BRM 200km... actually the first on Indian soil.

Congratulations on your first 200km. Great effort. It's great when a new rider turns on to long distance riding or randonnering, but it's even more exciting when a new country does. Congratulations to all the other riders as well.

The PBP website says
"Brevets completed between November 2009 and October 2010 cannot be used to qualify for PBP, but give you the advantage of early preregistration as follows:

HOMOLOGATED ON 2010 PREREGISTRATION OPENS ON
BRM 1 000 km → April 3, 2011
BRM 600 km → April 17, 2011
BRM 400 km → May 1, 2011
BRM 300 km → May 15, 2011
BRM 200 km → May 29, 2011"

so it looks like your 1000km may not count as prequalification but India would not be part of any quota of the top 13 countries, so that would help you.

kk27
02-12-10, 09:33 AM
Hey thanks man, I'm now hooked on the super LD rides.

& guess what the 300 brevet will be happening in March - 7th I guess still awaiting approval from the ACP. The only problem we (Indians) have is weather, The summers March till June is sizzling hot & coastal areas are high on humidity; while July onwards is torrential rain...the city floods every year, the only best time to ride is from Oct onwards. But Our aim will be to complete the 1000km Brevet before Oct.

Machka
02-13-10, 01:35 AM
kk27 ... you're from India, right? You've got nothing to worry about. All you've got to do is the Super Randonneur series at some point between November 1st and mid-June. From what I understand, all these rules regarding doing stuff in 2010 only apply to the top 13 countries. The participants from the smaller countries don't have to worry about such things ... they're in. Provided they do that SR series in 2011, that is.

kk27
02-13-10, 07:32 AM
OK got that, But i;d still do a 1000km some where in July, if not a Official Brevet then personal; so as to atleast get the flavour of PBP. Though I can imagine it'll be a world different, different country, Language, weather etc.

GLA
02-13-10, 03:02 PM
Personally, I think that it's a great idea to have a 1000km ride under your belt before PBP. It helps you come to terms, somewhat, with the extra distance - both physically and mentally - if you're successful in completing the 1000km. If you're not, it gives you extra time to review and work on the things that need to be worked on.

Either way, you'll really enjoy PBP

chewybrian
04-15-10, 02:58 PM
I'm digging up this thread to ask a PBP question...

A 1000k gets you first shot to qualify. But, do you have to have the SR series as well? Could you ride the 1000k only and still have the same chance? I did 200, 300 + 400, but I'd like to skip my 600k this weekend, for family reasons, but I can still do 1000 later this year. WIll I be o.k. with that? thanks.

Machka
04-15-10, 03:28 PM
If you were in Australia ...

Doing the 1000K allows you to apply early ... on the earliest possible application date (that's worldwide, not just an Australia thing).

Doing up to 2500 km of brevets, moves you to the front of the pack should too many people happen to do a 1000K and apply for the PBP.

So here in Australia we could, for example, ride a 1000K, a 300K, and six 200Ks and have the best possible chance of getting into the PBP. Or a 1000K, a 400K, a 300K, and four 200Ks ... or any combination with a 1000K that add up to 2500K.

I don't know what the US policies are.

The Octopus
04-15-10, 08:39 PM
The priority registration system is set by the ACP, and they base their priority on the longest ACP-sanctioned ride you completed in 2010. So as far as the ACP is concerned, you could complete only a 1000K in 2010 -- no other brevets -- and you'd register at the earliest date.

Riders who are nationals of those countries subject to a rider quota have an additional hurdle to get into PBP. Each national randonneuring organization will have to figure out how to allocate its quota among interested, qualified riders (assuming that demand exceeds the quota). I don't think RUSA has yet announced how it will do this. Theoretically it's possible that you could complete a 1000K in 2010 but then not get a spot in the lottery or through whatever allocation method your country uses and thus have to sit out PBP.

At least here in the US, I'm reasonably confident that our recession will take care of limiting the riders who can go to France, sad though that is. In addition to finances, aspirational dreams and wishes will give way to the reality of not being in shape for the ride for many. Almost four hundred people held spots on the '09 GRR list but hardly more than 100 actually rode (and the ride could have accomodated 175).

If you want to go to PBP in '11, ride lots. Get in shape. Save your Benjamins. I think you'll get to go.....

Edited to add: I'll be at the Eustis 600K this weekend. Say "hi" to the guy on the fixed gear, if you're there. :)

skiffrun
04-16-10, 05:47 PM
I'm not sure where this notion of the national organizations having to develop an allocation method comes from. I see nothing about that in the ACP release(s). What I see is a "free-for-all" among the "1000's" at the moment the 1000 date is reached ... followed by a "free-for-all" among the 600's ... followed by a "free-for-all" among the 400's ... etc..

For those that don't understand "for-for-all", the term refers to a "no-holds-barred, no-rules, every-man-for-himself fight" ... last man standing wins. Applied in this situation, first to "click" the right buttons wins. (Clearly "man" is not meant to be a sex specific term.)

In the U.S., will there be 500+ people that ride a 1000+ brevet this year? You judge.
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I skimmed the Australian association's priority procedure a few months ago. Without really reading Machka's synopsis, I'll accept that an accurate depiction of the Australian priority procedure. However, I didn't notice anything in the ACP materials about national associations allocating the positions, so I don't understand basis upon which natiional association priority lists are being developed. I could be wrong, or things may have changed (I didn't check for the latest iteration). Btw, I think national priority lists make sense, I just don't see where there fit in to the published ACP release(s).

In any event, I'm not Australian nor am I a member of the Australian association, and, to me, what the Aussie's do is their business.

As Machka has previously noted, there is no overall "Canadian national association", yet the ACP clearly refers to Canadians in total, not Ontarions, British Columbians, etc..

Perhaps the ACP is trying to force an umbrella "Canadian national association". Or maybe not.
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I am also not sure that phrases such as "nationals of those countries subject to a rider quota" are accurate. There are members of RUSA that are not US "nationals" or citizens. Does ACP mean "nationals" / citizens or do they mean members? I suspect members because I doubt that the ACP has the resources to confirm the "national" or citizenship status of all inscrits; how would they deal with people with multiple citizenships.

I had a short conversation of a fellow randonneur at the midpoint of a 200k brevet last weekend -- he is originally from Indian but is a RUSA member -- I don't know his citizenship status. He wondered if he could do next year's qualifying series in the US if he joined the Indian randonneuring association, and even though he would do the series in the US, register as a member of the Indian association. We were not sure if there is an Indian randonneuring association. Our conversation was just "talk", but I'd bet that some are looking into "foreign" requirements.
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All I am suggesting is that one read the ACP release(s) and interpret what those releases literally contain -- not what someone thinks they ought to have contained.

If you think the literal procedures are inadequate, write your governing association or the ACP.

Also, keep in mind that more than a few from this continent have been surprised by the French interpretation of their own randonneuring rules ... so don't bet the house or the PBP entry fee on the literal interpretation.

Machka
04-16-10, 06:00 PM
From the official PBP website:
http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire

Registration

The registration period begins on June 4 and ends on July 17, 2011. Registrations can only be made through the PBP Web site. You can register before having completed the qualifying brevets, but you need to provide the missing brevet certification numbers before July 17 or your registration will be cancelled.
Registration details will be available in January 2011.

Preregistration

From April 3, 2011, a preregistration scheme will enable you to know day after day how the ride fills up. To assure your best chances of participating, we recommend riding ACP-sanctioned brevets (i.e. BRM = Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux) in 2010. Brevets completed between November 2009 and October 2010 cannot be used to qualify for PBP, but give you the advantage of early preregistration as follows:

HOMOLOGATED ON 2010 PREREGISTRATION OPENS ON
BRM 1 000 km → April 3, 2011
BRM 600 km → April 17, 2011
BRM 400 km → May 1, 2011
BRM 300 km → May 15, 2011
BRM 200 km → May 29, 2011

If the number of preregistrations exceeds the global rider limit, we will establish a waiting list. You still need to start the definitive registration process before June 19, 2011 or the benefit of your preregistrationwill be lost. A 1200 km event sanctioned by the Randonneurs Mondiaux between November 2009 and October 2010 can replace a BRM 1000 km.

Limitation of number of entrants

We might be led to restrict the number of registrations in order to ensure the safety and quality of this event. Countries with a substantial number of participants will have a quota assigned, based on that country's results in PBP 2007 and the evolution of the number of homologated brevets in that country between 2007 and 2010. The other countries will share a pool of available registrations. The maximum total number of participants and the quota per country will be communicated early in 2011.

skiffrun
04-18-10, 04:07 PM
Yep. Not one word about national associations allocating the available slots.

Machka
04-19-10, 02:23 AM
Yep. Not one word about national associations allocating the available slots.

No, but it does say this ...

"Countries with a substantial number of participants will have a quota assigned, based on that country's results in PBP 2007 and the evolution of the number of homologated brevets in that country between 2007 and 2010."

I believe that the idea is that when the quotas are assigned, it will be up to the country (and presumably that would be the national organisation) to decide who gets in and who doesn't ... if it happens that there are more riders than the quota will allow.

skiffrun
04-19-10, 08:01 AM
You quote from a formula that describes how the the big-13 slots will be adjusted between the big-13 based on the brevets completed in 2010. That phrase has nothing to do with allocatiion within each of the big-13.

As for your beliefs, sorry, belief systems have nothing to do the PBP / ACP allocation.

Try reading, understanding, and THINKING.

SharpT
04-19-10, 11:50 AM
Les inscriptions pourront être centralisées comme certains d’entre vous l’ont fait en 2007.

Machka
04-19-10, 03:39 PM
You quote from a formula that describes how the the big-13 slots will be adjusted between the big-13 based on the brevets completed in 2010. That phrase has nothing to do with allocatiion within each of the big-13.


The formula has nothing to do with allocation ... the formula has to do with quota. If that is indeed the formula they are going to use. How allocation is handled will be up to the 13 countries.

Here ... read ... this is how Australia is handing the situation if the number of Audax Australia applicants exceed the quota. I'm sure other countries are making plans of their own ...
http://audax.org.au/public/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=2&id=17&Itemid=160


I'm not sure why this seems so difficult for you to understand.

The Octopus
04-20-10, 07:01 PM
Try reading, understanding, and THINKING.

Try taking your own advice.

I think that you are being both rude and ignorant. I can't help the former (though I do hope you'll adopt a more civil tone here). I'll try to enlighten your ignorance, although Machka could not have been more clear or more accurate.

(1) There are two separate systems potentially in play: (a) a priority registration system based on the longest ACP-sanctioned ride completed in 2010, and (b) a quota to which certain countries' citizens are subject. (It is, in fact, nationality that the ACP cares about for the quota, not membership status in a national randonneuring association -- see page 13 of the 11/2009 American Randonneur and take it up with John Lee Ellis, if you don't believe me.)

(2) I say "potentially" because the ACP has not committed to whether it will, in fact, impose a quota. It has simply said that, if a quota is necessary, then here is how it will work. The French invented the modern concept of due process; it's nice of them to give us all a heads up so far in advance how things will work, should someone's "right" to ride PBP be jeopardized.

(3) If a quota is implemented, it will be up to the national randonneuring associations to implement it. How they do it is up to them. The ACP couldn't care less.

It really isn't all that tough. If you have questions about it, try the google randon group. The RUSA board monitors it and questions are quickly addressed there by those who have the authority to speak for RUSA.

On another note, what is your evidence for there being 500+ RUSA members who will ride a 1000K event this year? FOX News must be running stories about randonneuring these days... :rolleyes:

unterhausen
04-20-10, 07:10 PM
sure looks like the national organizations will not have anything to do with registration. You just supply your credentials and they let you register.

Machka
04-21-10, 02:24 AM
sure looks like the national organizations will not have anything to do with registration. You just supply your credentials and they let you register.

In Canada, Australia, and several other countries, the national organisation has never had anything to do with registration. As an individual, you fill out the form (paper in the "old days", online these days), send/submit it, and you're registered. Some time later you receive your info packet.

I could be mistaken on this, but I think RUSA is the only national organisation where individuals send their applications in to RUSA who then processes them and sends them on. I have no idea if they are going to do the same thing this year or not, and I'm not sure why they would with the online system (used in 2007 and being used again in 2011) being so fast and easy to use. But that's up to RUSA officials.

EDIT: Rowan has informed me that Audax Australia had their members send the PBP applications to them, and Audax Australia processed them and sent them on to ACP. If they do that again this year, I'm going to find that really odd. I'm used to doing my own applications.


Nevertheless, when the 2010 season ends at the end of October, ACP will make its decision about whether there will or will not be quotas and what the quota limits might be, which will give each country some idea of whether they will have to implement measures to restrict riders, or not.

And keep in mind that not only is it recommended to ride brevets this year (2010), but you still have to do a Super Randonneur series in 2011 as well. So if you do a 1000K this year, you can pre-register on April 3, 2011 (sort of like an Expression of Interest) ... but you have to complete that SR series before you can officially register sometime in June 2011. Doing a 1000K this year will not guarantee you a spot if LIFE steps in and prevents you from completing a SR series in 2011.

unterhausen
04-21-10, 06:32 PM
thanks for the clarification.

LWaB
04-23-10, 07:04 AM
Audax UK used to collect and forward British PBP applications to the ACP prior to the 2007 PBP.

Audax Oz did forward some Australian PBP applications in 2007 but other Australians registered directly on the PBP website.