Bicycle Mechanics - Morizumi vs Phil Wood spoke cutter/threader
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01-20-10, 11:24 PM
Not dissing on the PW cutter, but when you consider spending 3 grand on a tool, one would do as much research on both and I chose the Morizumi.
01-20-10, 11:40 PM
01-21-10, 12:42 AM
Yes, I've researched this one too.
01-21-10, 12:44 AM
Pics for those requesting:
01-21-10, 01:08 AM
I'll let the expert explain it
That's a nice machine, but after watching the video, I think I prefer the Phil machine. Maybe I'm just a freak.
01-21-10, 07:58 AM
All in one action...except when long threading.
Though not advertised or supported, Phil Wood can do 2.6 mm (105 guage) as well. (I do it about every other week...)
Long threading accomplished by cutting...stopping...placing spoke end 2mm in directly against back of cutter...then rolling.
Machine is built of high quality, very heavy gear metal - except for spring and pivot bearing - the thing will not break. Period! It is a true multi-user shop environment tool.
(Was trained by the original Spoke Machine point-man Bernie...who left right when PW changed ownership...)
Only downside I have is that with galvanized and powder coat spokes - upper die has to be wiped and oiled every 4-6 spokes. Dies are horizontal thereby a little buildup occurs requiring frequent cleaning. It's a two finger and rag operation done in 1-2 seconds...so not really a hassle.
01-21-10, 12:56 PM
Philwood is a nice tool made by a hub manufacturer, very nice hubs in fact. The Morizumi is built by a Japanese wheel spoke manufacturer. I'm guessing a spoke manufacturer would have more insight on how bicycle wheel spokes should be cut and threaded in a mass production environment. The Philwood tool does not cut the ends perfectly flat like the Morizumi, something to consider.
I don't doubt the quality of the Morizumi at all. It does look like a very nice, well engineered piece of machinery. I'm completely sure that if I used one in person I would be impressed.
I was mainly speaking from a work and convienence point of view. As mrrabbit said, all in one action, unless long threading. I probably cut more singles and doubles to replace broken spokes than I cut in an entire year for builds. The last set of wheels I built, were a personal set, and I had to come here for help. There just aren't that many people asking for custom wheels right now. The shop owner is far better at it and he does most of the builds anyway. So, with the Phil Wood machine on my bench, I just measure out and cut them in one motion and get on with the repair.
I can also second mrrabbits comments on powder coated spokes. They will gum up a P.W. spoke cutter fast.
01-21-10, 09:22 PM
Heya BFW...Soil Sampler...
...oh another thing...Phil Wood rolls over existing threads...no issues.
Couldn't help but notice the Cyclus manual says not to do so...and also says not to oil the dies. Sure would like to see a picture of what Cyclus is using for dies. What is it that has them not oiling and not rolling over existing threads?
01-21-10, 09:29 PM
...oops just saw 'em...
Scratching my head though...look exactly like the Morizumi and Phil dies except with one corner shaved...
So they should be oileable and thread rerollable...maybe it's just a "support" thing.
01-21-10, 09:32 PM
not a round roller die.
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