Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets - recommendations for best lock

Just starting to ride bikes more often as a commuter, so need to upgrade to a nicer lock. Opinions, links appreciated.

TIA

robb

Most people will recommend a Kryptonite evolution or New York if you don't mind the weight.

Kryptonite Evolution (http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Evolution-Bicycle-3-25-Inch-9-5-Inch/dp/B000AMPRGU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1265575309&sr=1-4)
Kryptonite New York (http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Standard-Bicycle-U-Lock-Bracket/dp/B000BS0D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1265575427&sr=1-1)


I went with the more affordable OnGuard option.
This is what I have used with no problems at all.
OnGuard Pitbull Mini (http://www.amazon.com/OnGuard-PitBull-Bicycle-U-Lock-Security/dp/B000FL4Y60/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1265574804&sr=8-2-spell)

But if you like a larger size you can use the bigger version:
OnGuard Pitbull (http://www.amazon.com/OnGuard-Bulldog-Bicycle-U-Lock-Security/dp/B000FL3E8E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1265574844&sr=8-3)

What ever you get I suggest you get either a cable (as is included with the OnGuard locks I linked) or even two U-Locks so that you can secure your front wheel as well.

appreciate it

Wait a second, those particular Krpts are the most expensive locks they offer. How expensive is the bike your going to be locking up? Why spend $150 in locks for a $100 bike...not saying your bike is worth $100 but do see where I'm going here? You shouldn't spend more the 10% of the value of the bike for a lock or locks.

I did say locks in the last word of the last sentence, why? Because you should use two locks not one. Use a U-bolt lock then use the thickest armored cable lock you can find. Why, because it takes two different tools to defeat those locks, and a would be bike jacker won't be carrying two sets of tools with him to do a job he'll just move onto a bike where his tool will work.

Take a look at a British magazine called "Cyling Plus" It is available here in the states at a book store called "Borders". Every year they run a lock review. It is almost disgusting how quickly they can defeat some of those cheaper locks. usually it is the better locks like Kryptonite that stand up really well. Master lock's street cuffs did well too. Not sure when the next lock article will run, or when the last article was. But maybe someone on here will have a copy that they would be willing to copy or scan the article for you.

Sheldon Brown's website has a good article on locking strategy that is worth a read.

As someone mentioned above, all you're trying to do is convince a would be thief that someone Else's bike would be an easier target than yours. Damned shame, but true.

This has been covered in depth many, many, times. Try doing a search on the subject, and if you have any specific questions I'm sure they'll be answered swiftly.

Sheldon Brown's way is a OK way of doing it; but a better way is to use his way BUT, remove the front wheel and put it alongside the rear in such a way that you can lock the front to the rear and frame the same way as Sheldon shows.

Wait a second, those particular Krpts are the most expensive locks they offer. How expensive is the bike your going to be locking up? Why spend $150 in locks for a $100 bike...not saying your bike is worth $100 but do see where I'm going here? You shouldn't spend more the 10% of the value of the bike for a lock or locks.

To be fair, if you're using a bike for transportation -- whether you're riding to work or riding a dozen miles across town for a Sunday brunch -- it doesn't matter whether the bike cost $100 or $5000. They're both worth the same because they both act as transport. Whether you drive a Yugo or a Mercedes to the office, if it gets stolen, you're still screwed until you get a replacement.

IMO, then, you don't just choose a lock based on the value of the bike. You should choose one based on how well you think it'll let you return home on your bike.

As much as I'm all for bike security, you should also take into consideration your area of bike use/locking.

Those pricey Kryptonite NY locks are REALLY heavy. If you do hi-grade lock + heavy cable, and you're talking serious poundage, as well as lots of size. If you're in a hi-theft area, it's worth it, but if you're not, I guarantee you'll be incredibly frustrated when you have to ride your bike for a short errand, and have to lug around this enormous, bulky lock. I did this awhile and almost completely gave up on using my bike for its most effective tasks, which are short (<2 mile) commutes and errands since the lock usually outweighed anything I was carrying.

I've been perfectly happy with a standard kryptonite U-lock, particularly because it makes any parking meter a bike parking spot (fits perfectly around them.) I don't ride in a hi-crime area though, although it's still urban. Light enough to still not feel ridiculous when I ride a few blocks to run an errand and back.

To be fair, if you're using a bike for transportation -- whether you're riding to work or riding a dozen miles across town for a Sunday brunch -- it doesn't matter whether the bike cost $100 or $5000. They're both worth the same because they both act as transport. Whether you drive a Yugo or a Mercedes to the office, if it gets stolen, you're still screwed until you get a replacement.

IMO, then, you don't just choose a lock based on the value of the bike. You should choose one based on how well you think it'll let you return home on your bike.

Interesting point, but if you bought the bike new for $350 for example, and it's 5 years old now worth about $50 and you buy $300 worth of locks, doesn't that seem a little odd to spend that kind of money for locks for a bike like that? That's akin to going out buying a $1000 car with 180k and buying a $500 alarm system for it.

Interesting point, but if you bought the bike new for $350 for example, and it's 5 years old now worth about $50 and you buy $300 worth of locks, doesn't that seem a little odd to spend that kind of money for locks for a bike like that? That's akin to going out buying a $1000 car with 180k and buying a $500 alarm system for it.

You can always use the locks for the next bike, though.

My point still is, do you want to be stuck without a ride home or not? A $50 bike will get you home, but a missing bike won't. I use the same locks regardless of which bike I'm using.

You can always use the locks for the next bike, though.

My point still is, do you want to be stuck without a ride home or not? A $50 bike will get you home, but a missing bike won't. I use the same locks regardless of which bike I'm using.

Another good point. OK, I surrender.

I use the same lock as well for all my bikes, but crime for bike theft is pretty low where I live and lived in the past so my lock isn't much just a real thick cable and a Abus Discus which I've been using for 25 or 30 years. But I always have been able to park the bike in whatever office I worked in so leaving it outside while working was never a fear, then only "fear" I had was parking it outside a store or the such, but I always looked for high traffic areas to park...although after watching a U-Tube film of a guy purposely trying to steal his own bike and no one, not even two cops bothered to question him! Makes me wonder about getting something better like maybe the Handcuff design since it seems more portable then the U locks, and just combine it with the cable. If I was really worried about getting a bike stolen I would buy a junker and ride it to the place I was concerned about leaving it unattended.

I get to park my bike inside at work, too (and inside my apartment), so the only times I need to lock up are when I'm out and about.

I usually use a big chain (OnGuard Beast) because I can't always find a U-rack or parking meter that isn't already full of bikes, so I have to lock to a tree or light pole instead. To carry it on my short-hop city bike, I wrap it around the seatpost and lock it to the rear rack; for the road bike, I either wear it bandolier-style across my body or take a Kryptonite NY U-lock instead.

I don't really notice the weight much, but that's probably because I have a lot of weight of my own to carry. :innocent: :D

So, anyway, back to the OP's question --

Since any lock can be defeated eventually, but they still serve as a deterrent, you want two things: looks and durability.

Of course, for something built for function and not aesthetics, looks shouldn't matter. But, you want your bike to look harder to steal than the one next to it. Half of the deterrence effect is how difficult it looks to break. Usually, though, any lock is enough to make a casual thief think twice, so it's not like you need to get something too crazy.

Durability means that not only should it stand up to an attempted theft, but it should work when you need it to work. Otherwise, you're either stuck without a lock to use, or your bike is stuck inside a busted lock. Between the two big US lock brands, people here have talked about their OnGuard locks breaking, but not Kryptonite.

Whatever lock you get, don't settle for one with a barrel lock (the key looks like a little tube). They're getting hard to find thanks to the widely-publicized trick of opening them with a Bic pen, but they might still be in stores.

I appreciate the responses from everyone on here, I ended up getting an onguard pitbull mini w/ cable I think it's a 5008. It was only 26 bucks w/ free shipping from amazon. I would say that I live in a relatively low crime rate city. Hopefully I won't have any problems.



Thnx

robb

I appreciate the responses from everyone on here, I ended up getting an onguard pitbull mini w/ cable I think it's a 5008. It was only 26 bucks w/ free shipping from amazon. I would say that I live in a relatively low crime rate city. Hopefully I won't have any problems.



Thnx

robb

But how expensive is your bike? And are you concerned at all? You have one lock now and that's good, but sometime in the near future consider getting a really thick cable lock. Walmart has a armored cable lock that would add deterrent by making sure any would be thief would have to carry two tools with him.

if your using the words "hopefully" you'll still have your bike in a few years then you need to spend more money on locks. really just buy the top of the line lock. do you really want to regret paying for a lock? and really you should be buying 2 ulocks. what cost more a 64 dollar top of the line lock or a new front wheel, or rear wheel, or a whole new bike, or even an old used steel bike? the lock is cheaper. keep in mind a battery powered angle grinder can cut threw anything in a few minutes. those cable locks you can be cut threw with a pair of wire cutters or even household scissors.

64 dollars with free shipping and the best lock you can buy. and pair it with an new york ls, so you can lock to most racks/poles.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OZ9VLU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000LPEXBQ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07QHR1YDFP39Z8T87JMP
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Bicycle-U-Lock-4-Inch-10-25-Inch/dp/B001DWNK1A/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1266388637&sr=1-5

or consider the chain verson, so you can lock it up to anything and everything, and don't worry about the weight with a rear rack setup.
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Legend-Chain-Bicycle-Padlock/dp/B001SMUBQC/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1266388637&sr=1-17

i ride a fixed gear worth a little over a 1200

1200 for a fixie? Sheesh -- what's it made out of? ;)

1200 for a fixie? Sheesh -- what's it made out of? ;)

Platinum.

Also, I never thought of the Sheldon way to lock a bike.
I think the idea about making your bike look harder to steal doesn't come into effect with the Sheldon Way. For a split second, a thief might think that only the rear wheel is locked up - easy target - and get to work at ruining your rear wheel before giving up in defeat, while still succeeding at destroying your ride home.

In any case, I think I will give that one a try.

1200 for a fixie? Sheesh -- what's it made out of? ;)

Fuji obey, Phil hubs, velocity rims, soma bars, origin stem.

Wouldn't get that much but replacement would be.

For best security, if you're using a mixed cable/U-lock pair, try to use the U-lock to secure the bike to the pole, rack, or whatever you're locking to. If you use the cable to lock to a rack, and the U-lock to lock the unsecured wheel to the bike frame, a thief could snip the cable, toss the bike in their car, and take it home to defeat the U-lock later.

Funny thing about chains and my bikes -- I've got the 110cm OnGuard Beast chain lock. It's juuust long enough to wrap through both wheels of my road bike and around a typical inverted-U bike rack. The 100cm Kryptonite chains would be too short. I'd like to either "try on" one of the larger 5' Krypto chains (wonder how big they'll be around my body) or just get one of the mini-locks that Kryptonite uses on their chains.

I would like to see someone cut through a thick cable with household scissors. But an angle grinder will cut through a top of the line Krpto U Lock like butter anyways.

And a small piece of TNT will do the job even better. Not to mention bottle jacks etc. The point is that no sane thief will use an angle grinder unless the bike is well worth it. The bike thieves use bolt cutters with screw-in handles which are easy to conceal in a backpack and are silent unlike the angle grinders. So why don't you try using them on on top Krypto locks instead of trolling on this forum?

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And a small piece of TNT will do the job even better. Not to mention bottle jacks etc. The point is that no sane thief will use an angle grinder unless the bike is well worth it. The bike thieves use bolt cutters with screw-in handles which are easy to conceal in a backpack and are silent unlike the angle grinders. So why don't you try using them on on top Krypto locks instead of trolling on this forum?

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I'm not trolling, and need for your trash talk here. I was referring to Weavers post 17 that mentioned angle grinder. By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks, but you wouldn't know that because your too busy calling people trolls.

If I'm not mistaken, a desperate thief can take a sharp stainless sissor and cut a few strand of cable at a time after separating the cable from the jacket and slightly untwisting it instead of cutting the whole cable in one shot. Theif are very innovative minded and will find ways of breaking security with the simplest tools they can get their hands on. The boys out in this one metal shop I often visit showm me some amazing things they capable of doing with old caveman tools.

Edit for: Oh yes btw, they even show me a way to cut through a krytonite U lock silently with a small one feet long cable cutter. It's all portable, no angle grinder with cutting disc involved. Totally amazing. I will not post the method here in public, but I will reveal it by PM and you must also be an active member who post often here, otherwise I don't want to be held liable for your bike lost.

I'm not trolling, and need for your trash talk here. I was referring to Weavers post 17 that mentioned angle grinder. By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks, but you wouldn't know that because your too busy calling people trolls.

Oh, of course I wouldn't know. I've lived in NY for for 18 year and never had a single bike or bike part stolen in my whole life. I use Kryptonite NY lock that I put around chainstay/rear wheel so a thief can not use a bottle jack for the lack of space. Pitlock locking skewers are used on wheel/seatpost/headset. The commuting/shopping bike is the three speed which is great for NY and also no deraillers/expensive STI shifters to steal. The handlebar is road-type that I like and the thieves do not. This is what I call "practical advice" from my own experience. And what do you have to offer? Some gibberish like "By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks"? Where did I say that they did not? Or "But an angle grinder will cut through a top of the line Krpto U Lock like butter anyways". Are you trying to say that the extra $30 people pay for a quality lock are wasted? So whose talk is pure trash now?

Oh, of course I wouldn't know. I've lived in NY for for 18 year and never had a single bike or bike part stolen in my whole life. I use Kryptonite NY lock that I put around chainstay/rear wheel so a thief can not use a bottle jack for the lack of space. Pitlock locking skewers are used on wheel/seatpost/headset. The commuting/shopping bike is the three speed which is great for NY and also no deraillers/expensive STI shifters to steal. The handlebar is road-type that I like and the thieves do not. This is what I call "practical advice" from my own experience. And what do you have to offer? Some gibberish like "By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks"? Where did I say that they did not? Or "But an angle grinder will cut through a top of the line Krpto U Lock like butter anyways". Are you trying to say that the extra $30 people pay for a quality lock are wasted? So whose talk is pure trash now?

maybe you should read this:http://webecoist.com/2008/08/22/toronto-thief-found-with-record-2396-stolen-bikes/

And read this: http://quickrelease.tv/?p=327

And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7zb8YXrmIA

Here are 10 commandments for keeping your bike: http://www.transalt.org/files/newsroom/magazine/886NovDeccc/1saveyourbike.html

Besides, AGAIN I was responding to post 17, I don't live in NY city...nor want to, but he mentioned Angle Grinder and I assumed he knew those things were being used...are they?

Here is one persons assessment of some locks: http://www.slate.com/id/2140083

But there you go trash talking me when your compliant should be to poster 17.

You all are so cute. ;)


Lock set comes in in the morning. I ll post what I think.

You all are so cute. ;)
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Well thank you, but I look better with a dress on.

Well thank you, but I look better with a dress on.

I lol'd.

I pretty much take my bike with me where ever I go. If a store won't let me in with the bike I rase a little fuss. Not too much, and usually they relent, and let me in to shop for what ever I need. If they won't let me in I simply say "it's your loss", and go somewhere else. I will say that it' usually a Circle K, and I'm on a ride somewhere. But I have done it in restaurants and stores too. Once in a Wall Mart, and once in a Cosco. If you don't let it out of your sight... I know that's not always posable to keep it with you but I just wanted to throw it out there. Happy ridding.

I pretty much take my bike with me where ever I go. If a store won't let me in with the bike I rase a little fuss. Not too much, and usually they relent, and let me in to shop for what ever I need. If they won't let me in I simply say "it's your loss", and go somewhere else. I will say that it' usually a Circle K, and I'm on a ride somewhere. But I have done it in restaurants and stores too. Once in a Wall Mart, and once in a Cosco. If you don't let it out of your sight... I know that's not always posable to keep it with you but I just wanted to throw it out there. Happy ridding.

You do what I do as well. Even when I credit card tour if a restaurant won't let me bring it in or allow me to park it where I can see while eating I leave and tell them so. Most restaurants only have issues with the bike coming in if your there during peak hours which is understandable, otherwise I've only had a few care. If your fully loaded though you can't bring it in, in fact I don't even know of a store that will let you bring in a fully loaded touring rig except Walmart, I've asked the greeter if I bring it and park it near them where they can watch it while I shop and haven't experienced any difficulties yet.

I think I should've have purchased either the OnGuard Pitbull or Mini lock instead of getting a Kryptonite combination cable lock. It's an ok lock, just sometimes it takes some force to relase the lock, resulting with me slamming my knuckles on the bike or whatever I secure my bike to. My next paycheck I'll replace the lock with one of those OnGuards.

I think I should've have purchased either the OnGuard Pitbull or Mini lock instead of getting a Kryptonite combination cable lock. It's an ok lock, just sometimes it takes some force to relase the lock, resulting with me slamming my knuckles on the bike or whatever I secure my bike to. My next paycheck I'll replace the lock with one of those OnGuards.

A cable lock can be defeated in mere seconds, so yes get yourself another lock but use both. If your really worried about your bike getting stolen then don't get the Pitbull or the Mini, these are a tad fragile and can also be defeated in seconds as would any lock Walmart sells; get the Krypto and at least the Evolution series 4 LS (LS stands for long shackle which will allow you do as the pic I gave above does). But If you can afford a bit more get the New York LS.

Get a U bolt long enough to do this: http://www.missinglink.org/Pages/bike_locking

I will agree that the best lock does not exist, what you want to do is use more than one. When I carry my bike on the truck rack, I lock the frame to the rack with a u lock, then use two cable locks. One cable locks the front wheel to the frame, then to the truck hitch (the rack has a hole to add a ball mount so I can pull a 3500 pound load and up to 4 bikes), the other cable locks the rear wheel to the frame, then to the truck rear bumper.

Obviously, on my truck weight is a non issue. Security is. I might want to stop somewhere for lunch or whatever after a ride.

When I am riding, often I have no locks. I am riding. Very few people bike commute here, public transportation sucks and everything is spread out. My ride to work would be about 10 miles, and I would arrive sweaty. There is no place to shower and change into work clothes. Also, I might get run over by morning rush traffic. Nobody can drive, at least not by USA rules.

If I were to bike commute I would go with a decent u lock, and a cable lock. I would also put on a quick release seat tube, and take the seat with me. A thief would need to defeat two locks, and a bike with no seat is hard to ride.

But if they really want your bike - it's gone. Same with a car, things inside your home, boats, and so on

If your really worried about your bike getting stolen then don't get the Pitbull or the Mini, these are a tad fragile and can also be defeated in seconds as would any lock Walmart sells;

I'm calling BS; how would you defeat a Pitbull in seconds?

I'm calling BS; how would you defeat a Pitbull in seconds?

With either a drill, angle grinder, or a jack. In the May 2007 Cycling Plus lock test the Pitbull lasted 18.87 seconds against a drill with a cutting wheel. The Onguard Brute (OnGuard's top of the line lock) lasted 28.95 seconds. The Kryptonite NYFU lasted 2 minutes 59.5 seconds.

With either a drill, angle grinder, or a jack. In the May 2007 Cycling Plus lock test the Pitbull lasted 18.87 seconds against a drill with a cutting wheel. The Onguard Brute (OnGuard's top of the line lock) lasted 28.95 seconds. The Kryptonite NYFU lasted 2 minutes 59.5 seconds.

Hmm, have you got a link? Was alanbikehouston reading the same article you did? (emphasis added):


Eli, luckily for the rest of us, one of the methods you suggest is likely to blind or permanently injure the crook that attempts it (which is why it is NOT used by crooks on the street) and none of the other methods you suggest will work on a 2006 or 2007 model u-lock rated "gold" by soldsecure.com or given a top rating by "Cycling Plus".

The most interesting finding in the May 2007 tests by "Cycling Plus" was how MUCH u-locks have improved over the years. The OnGuard Bulldog u-lock, which is a low priced "silver" rated u-lock, could NOT be opened by manual tools. I have both the "mini" Bulldog and the "TC mini". Although compact and light (two pounds), they offer about 90% of the security of the ultra-expensive six pound, and eight pound locks.

www.soldsecure.com/Leisure.htm

Another quote I found here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/need-best-lock-bike-498619/) (again emphasis added)

The longest "cut" times in the "Cycling Plus" test are:

1. The Kryptonite New York 3000 lock. 1757 grams. Lasted more than ten minutes. Sold at your LBS. (The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Chain lock lasted eight minutes against power tools in a prior CP test.)

2. The Squire Paramount Plus. 2047 grams. Lasted nine minutes. A leading UK brand.

3. The Axa-Basta SecuCity Plus. 1604 grams. Lasted eight minutes. A UK and European brand.


After the Axa-Basta, there was a huge drop-off in the resistance to power tools. The next group of locks all lasted less than three minutes against portable power tools. Among the "medium time" group was a "low priced" lock:

The Magnum UL1 ("bargain priced" brother of the OnGuard Brute) 2,335 grams. Lasted two 1/2 minutes.

(The "Magnum" brand is the lower priced line sold by OnGuard locks. Available in the UK and I THINK I have seen some at bike shops in Houston.)


Also in the "medium times" group was a lock from Germany's BEST name in locks:

The Abus Varedo. 1132 grams. Lasted 1 minutes and 13 seconds. The highly regarded German-designed Abus Granit-X-Plus was not tested by Cycling Plus this time, but the Granit-X-Plus has done very well in all prior published tests, and in tests by "Sold Secure" and the ART Foundation. The Abus Varedo shows that even a company as outstanding as Abus can sell some mediocre products that should NOT be compared with their best products.


MINI LOCKS: Most folks don't want to take an eight pound lock on a short ride or when grabbing a cup of coffee. So, "Mini" locks are popular for everyday use. The only tested "Mini" lock that protected as well as the Kryptonite New York 3000 lock against manual attacks was the OnGuard Bulldog Mini lock:

The OnGuard Bulldog Mini. Under two pounds. Lasted 1 minutes and 16 seconds against power tools.

The 2005 model OnGuard Pitbull Mini has a similar design, and should do as well (the Pitbull costs about $35 compared with $24 for the Bulldog - they are essentially the same lock).

Please consider "hunting down" and buying a copy of the April "Cycling Plus" at Borders Books or Barnes and Noble Books or a larger size magazine store. "Cycling Plus" is well worth its expensive $9 price. CP usually includes at least five times the "content" of America's leading cycling magazine. If this "lock test" issue sells well, the editors of "Cycling Plus" will be encouraged to continue their very expensive and time consuming lock testing program.

more here (http://www.consumersearch.com/bicycle-locks/review306488) (and my emphasis):


Cycling Plus magazine
This huge article in a special issue looks at 30 different bicycle locks. It's a substantial report that clearly denotes which locks survived assaults by a hand tool and a power tool. Editors describe parts of the lock, features, rating systems and anti-theft warranties. Because this is a U.K. cycling magazine, many of the reviewed bike locks aren't available in the U.S. Among bicycle locks that are available in the U.S., the New York Fahgettaboudit chain lock and U-lock are highly rated. As a budget bike lock, the OnGuard Pitbull STD 5003 gets the nod.

This article isn't available online.

Maxim (http://www.consumersearch.com/bicycle-locks/review306490) May 2009 :

Maxim magazine enlists the help of Hal Ruzal, a bike mechanic from New York City, in an attempt to break three bike locks, including the OnGuard Doberman 5030, Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock and the OnGuard Brute STD 5001. All three locks were broken by an angle grinder, but the OnGuard Brute STD 5001 wins the test. Ruzal says, "For the price, it's shocking how good this lock is."

Hmm, have you got a link? Was alanbikehouston reading the same article you did? (emphasis added):



Another quote I found here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/need-best-lock-bike-498619/) (again emphasis added)

No, it was never published online. Believe it or not, I don't care either way. You've been given good info.

No, it was never published online. Believe it or not, I don't care either way. You've been given good info.

I don't care either way either, actually. Was just wondering if you could back up the numbers with anything, since there's apparently a lot of conflicting info on what that article actually said. I heavily researched locks and read a LOT of posts by you slamming OnGuard, but I got a Bulldog Mini TC anyway. It's been great, and it's perfect for locking my Steamroller on 10 minute errands in daylight in Seattle. If I were commuting or something or locking up for 8 hours every day, I would just get another one for $20. I'm fairly sure 2 of these would be more of a deterrent than 1 Krypto NYU whatever, and together they'd still be lighter and a fraction of the cost. Or I'd just go all the way on a $100 chain. Nothing theft-proof about a kryptonite, I had my favorite bike ever stolen in 99 with a cut krypto. Either that or they just used a bic, heh.

I don't care either way either, actually. Was just wondering if you could back up the numbers with anything, since there's apparently a lot of conflicting info on what that article actually said. I heavily researched locks and read a LOT of posts by you slamming OnGuard, but I got a Bulldog Mini TC anyway. It's been great, and it's perfect for locking my Steamroller on 10 minute errands in daylight in Seattle. If I were commuting or something or locking up for 8 hours every day, I would just get another one for $20. I'm fairly sure 2 of these would be more of a deterrent than 1 Krypto NYU whatever, and together they'd still be lighter and a fraction of the cost. Or I'd just go all the way on a $100 chain. Nothing theft-proof about a kryptonite, I had my favorite bike ever stolen in 99 with a cut krypto. Either that or they just used a bic, heh.
Are you accusing me of making things up? Go to the library and look up the May 2007 issue of Cycling Plus. Why the hell would I lie about such an easily variable thing? On second thought, send me a PM and I'll send you a PDF of it so you can read it yourself. :thumb:

As for my issues with OnGuard, it's because they were making faulty locks that jammed. After three (I think it was three, it could have been four) jammed on me, my wife, and a friend I have every reason to think they were selling a poor product.