Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Campy record cranks HELLLLLA CHEAP??

hey guys

anyone know how much campy cranks are going for nowadays?

i know theyre not at like 5 hundo anymore

how much would you buy these and consider it a deal? they look like pretty new condition from the pics.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-C-Record-Pista-track-crankset-fixed-gear-170_W0QQitemZ250576994606QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCycling_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a578d812e

jus looking for a ball park, anyone who recently bought new ones?

edited. sorry completely forgot

What cranks are you considering? I don't see any picture or description so far...

New ones, old one?
WHut?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2604625144_fe185cdd19.jpg
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EDITED!!

sorry add at work

Personally, I'd rather have these:

http://www.velomine.com/webstore/jeetercrank1.jpg

http://www.velomine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87_96&products_id=369&zenid=ls7ngrt1b1qik843hipfnucav0

you can pick up brand new campagnolo square taper road cranks for under $60 all day long if your willing to deal with 135bcd

they're used, missing dustcaps (not a big deal), &, most importantly, there's FIVE DAYS LEFT on the auction. wake me up when it's down to 5 minutes.

not really willing lol

how much would u guys pay to consider it a deal for those cranks above?

or any other high end comparable suggestions?

ok rephrasing my question..

how much would you guys snipe this for and consider it a deal? lol

Personally, I'd rather have these:

http://www.velomine.com/webstore/jeetercrank1.jpg

I already do (151 bcd ones, which are even cooler) Yeah!!! :D

Of course you do!

I've gotten Record square taper road cranks NIB for $100 a couple of times on eBay. 53-39 rings.

Nowadays, you see "TRACK!!!!" "PERFECT FOR FIXIE!!!!!!" on everything and moronic newbies bidding the stuff up to the stratosphere.

Waiting on a Record bottom bracket I got for $68 the other day.

Watch out on those fluted cranks. They had a tendency to fail in a most unpleasant way. (hopefully the pictured model isn't the one I'm thinking of)

Brand new these are $340 from World Class Cycles, so I wouldn't give more than half that much for used ones that are missing parts. Like Scrod said, the older classic Pista cranks are a lot cooler. IMO the modern ones are kinda goofy looking.

Waiting on a Record bottom bracket I got for $68 the other day.


brand new?

Watch out on those fluted cranks. They had a tendency to fail in a most unpleasant way. (hopefully the pictured model isn't the one I'm thinking of)

Those were the early and mid-70's fluted road cranks. I don't remember any problems with the pista cranksets.

how much would u guys pay to consider it a deal for those cranks above?

I wouldn't get excited about the current $120 bid. And I'm willing to bet that when riding, you can't tell them from my $50 EighthInch crankset.

I wouldn't get excited about the current $120 bid. And I'm willing to bet that when riding, you can't tell them from my $50 EighthInch crankset.

Maybe you can't, but a true tifoso would immediately know the difference.

Maybe you can't, but a true tifoso would immediately know the difference.

In this case, looks to me like someone's after a shiny crankset with a Campy logo, regardless of actual performance. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.

I call Campagnolo the "Mercedes of bike parts". I'm not sure if I heard it somewhere before, but it fits. My GF is all about campy. She's not a brand freak about anything else (including non-bike stuff).

I say, if it makes you like your bike more, or if it makes you feel faster, then I'm all for you having it. If you are buying it to impress others, then don't bother because your job will never be done as you will *always* have to do more to impress others. This is why you see $3,000+ Mavic IOs on street fixies.

I have Chorus 10 on my road bike and I'd trade it for Ultegra or DA 10 in a heartbeat. But, I'm a Shimano fan like that.

willing to bet that when riding, you can't tell them from my $50 EighthInch crankset.

those eighth inch cranks feel soggy like noodles, yes ive ridden em

did u really make that comparison? or have you never ridden anything better than eighth inch?

I wouldn't get excited about the current $120 bid. And I'm willing to bet that when riding, you can't tell them from my $50 EighthInch crankset.


This isn't going to make the Campy guys happy.

those eighth inch cranks feel soggy like noodles, yes ive ridden em

did u really make that comparison? or have you never ridden anything better than eighth inch?

You must be a lot fatter than me. For riding around on the street, they're plenty stiff. I've had Campy on my road bikes, and I've had Shimano too. Never noticed any measurable difference. Not quite the same story with my mountain bikes or BMX race bikes. On them, I can feel the stiffer cranksets.


This isn't going to make the Campy guys happy.

And why would that concern me? Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

brand new?

Yes. In the past, I've gotten a couple of new ones for $100 each. I threw out a lowball offer the other day, and got it. Sometimes you get lucky.

If you don't ~have~ to have campy, there are other retro/fluted pista cranksets out there, for much cheaper. I just won these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280458913612&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
for $79.
I also scored a campy clone sugino mighty pista crankset for $20, though I will need to find a left crankarm for it.

Those were the early and mid-70's fluted road cranks. I don't remember any problems with the pista cranksets.
The Pista arms were made from the same forgings as the Strata arms, and the failure modes were also identical. You just don't hear about it as much because there are far fewer Pista cranks out there than Strata.

That said, failures were still pretty rare. I've used a Record crank since about 1980 and it's held up fine. And I've personally seen only a couple failures during my years in the bike industry.

You just don't hear about it as much because there are far fewer Pista cranks out there than Strata.

That said, failures were still pretty rare. I've used a Record crank since about 1980 and it's held up fine. And I've personally seen only a couple failures during my years in the bike industry.

That is true, but during the "critical" time when the failures were more prevalent, (mid to late seventies), I was managing a shop right around the corner from the Encino Velodrome, and don't remember a single pista failure. (Which is not to say they didn't happen necessarily, just that I don't remember any!)

On the other hand, I had 3 customers break strada cranksets, including one who broke two crank arms himself. I finally talked him off the Campys and put him on Sugino Mity Compes, and he never broke another one.

Interestingly, as I recall, they were ALL drive-side arms that were failing.

That is true, but during the "critical" time when the failures were more prevalent, (mid to late seventies), I was managing a shop right around the corner from the Encino Velodrome, and don't remember a single pista failure. (Which is not to say they didn't happen necessarily, just that I don't remember any!)

I have a set of Pista cranks that came with my 1976 Schwinn Paramount P14 track bike, which are the older 151mm bcd style. Were the Strada failures on 144mm bcd cranks, and where exactly did the failures occur? I've raced on my Pista cranks for decades without incident, and that includes putting them though pretty intense loading such as kilo TT starts and sprints. I do not recall seeing any failures, but I do remember a road racer whose Strada crank broke at the pedal threads. I also have a set of 144mm bcd Strada cranks on one of my vintage road bikes, and would like to know if there is anything I should be looking for regarding impending failure.

There was a design change on Campy cranks around the early seventies, but my aging brain can't remember what it was! You can pour thru the catalogs on CampyOnly.com if you want to see if that was the bcd change.

The stradas I saw fail were 3 at the pedal thread and 1 where the spider is formed from the crank arm. Again, all were right side failures. I repeat that because it struck me as odd then, and it still does. In all four cases, Campy replaced the components immediately.

As for what to look for, first look for the diamond on the back of the crank arm with a number in the middle. The diamond means "the seventies", and the number is what year. If it's there, clean the drive side regularly and look for any indication of stress cracking around the pedal hole, where the spider forms from the crank arm, AND coming up from the bb mount hole.

If I'm not being clear on the spider failure ... run your finger up either side of the crank arm, and where the spider stops your finger is where you should look. On the bb mount hole, although I never saw one personally, I remember reading that there were also some failures in that era where apparently the stamped Campy logo was causing a stress riser, and a crack was starting at the bb hole and joining with the logo stamping.

I found some very minute incipient cracks forming at the spider arm junction of my ~'73 151 pista cranks. I filed them out and still ride on them.

As for what to look for, first look for the diamond on the back of the crank arm with a number in the middle. The diamond means "the seventies", and the number is what year.

I've looked at my Strada cranks and the marking is a square with the number 11 inside.

mine don't have a date code or marking on the inside of the arms, other than "pista 165"

mine don't have a date code or marking on the inside of the arms, other than "pista 165"

My Pistas have a diamond with the letter c inside?

just found this:
"Starting in 1973 the crank arms have a code consisting of a diamond (1970's), circle (1980's)" etc.
So mine are pre '73, yours are post '73.

Tejano, just found a Campy timeline that lists the 151 to 144 bcd change as happenning in 1966. Assuming the changeover was for both the strada AND pista cranks, then the cranks on your Paramount were 10 years old when you bought them on a new bike!

You sure can't do that anymore! Nowadays, by the time a new product's tooling is finished, the company is already working on design changes!

Oh, and here's a link to the timeline, and I'm still looking for something more definitive on date stamping than just my memory!

http://www.velo-retro.com/tline.html

Actually if you read further in the timeline, the track crank remained 151 until 1974.

My bad. You are correct. My only excuse is that I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet!

so moral of the thread is..... get me into vintage campy lol

I have a set of Pista cranks that came with my 1976 Schwinn Paramount P14 track bike, which are the older 151mm bcd style. Were the Strada failures on 144mm bcd cranks, and where exactly did the failures occur?

The most common failure seems to be at the junction of the spider with the arm:
http://www.pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-001/Dscn2410_640.jpg

The sharp edge of the machined junction creates a stress riser that leads to crack formation as above. Using a round file to round off this edge distributes the stress better, lowering the chance of crack formation.

Other failure spots include the pedal eye:
http://www.pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-001/recordcrankscloseup-quarter.jpg

And the square broached hole for the spindle.

The 151mm BCD arms aren't that different from the 144mm BCD arms.