Foo - Lessons to be learned from the Toyota recalls.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/toyoda_new_low_rxOB57mVrhUDmXyspgj7FI

I feel so ashamed, I've been bowing at a 45 degree angle for my mistakes at work...

American car Co. have been getting away with selling thier ****ed up vehicles for a good many years now, so why are "the powers that be" coming down on Toyota? So that U.S made cars don't look half as bad as they really are? To help our screwed up economy? I don't know. What I do know is Toyota is getting a bad wrap that they don't deserve.

Don't forget, the Obama government owns the competition, GM. "nuff said.

Seriously? Are we really collectively analyzing the angle of his bow?

I'm never considering a Toyota now, because I believe the proper angle of bow for a mistake of this magnitude is 62.5 degrees.

American car Co. have been getting away with selling thier ****ed up vehicles for a good many years now, so why are "the powers that be" coming down on Toyota? So that U.S made cars don't look half as bad as they really are? To help our screwed up economy? I don't know. What I do know is Toyota is getting a bad wrap that they don't deserve.

Man, you just won't let it go will you, the fact is that american car companies are building good cars, and the Japanese are fallible, get over it.

I bend over backwards. What does this say about me?

I bend over backwards. What does this say about me?

shave your important parts

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About time! I had to deep bow one time. Not as easy as it sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdlNZJ_TFXU
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Still lovin' my Tacoma...I guess nobody really is perfect. My next vehicle will be for Mrs. Cloud and I'm very likely to replace her Honda with another one. (or a Toyota)

The fallacy at this point is buying into the idea of what's "American" made and what's an "import". It's all percentages now. Mazda makes an engine for Ford (or at least they used to). So a Ford is far from 100% American made. Toyotas are built in the states with many parts made in the states. So they're partially USA made. Toyota still builds some of the best cars on the road today. Even if a few of them don't want to stop. :)

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/toyoda_new_low_rxOB57mVrhUDmXyspgj7FI

I feel so ashamed, I've been bowing at a 45 degree angle for my mistakes at work...

You made a mistake ?

Man, you just won't let it go will you, the fact is that american car companies are building good cars, and the Japanese are fallible, get over it.

nothing to let go, American cars suck balls and Japanese made Toyotas are better. Get over yourself Capt. America.

How do you know that they don't deserve it?


your right, maybe they do deserve it, but if you are right and they do indeed deserve it then American car Co. deserve 1000 times more as they've been getting away with building turds for more than a few decades now.

Sorry but the media is making this a much bigger deal than it is and no doubt, with political pressure.

I have googled recalls on 1 German car I own, 1 Toyota truck and two American cars. Guess whose recall lists are longer and with just as or more dire consequences?

It isn't scientific but it's good enough for me. My next car will be a Toyota.

Guarantee there's pressure from DC to discredit the Japanse makes.

Hey, maybe its because Japanese and German cars are made in Red States and the American cars are made in Blue states. (Saturn doesn't count):rolleyes:

Hey, maybe its because Japanese and German cars are made in Red States and the American cars are made in Blue states. (Saturn doesn't count):rolleyes:

Democrats screwing us over again, eh?
:p

(Saturn doesn't count):rolleyes:

Saturn isn't going to be made anywhere for much longer. :lol:

I'm sure Washington's poking it's nose in and using it's media flunkies to pound the Japanese. The Japanese have over a trillion dollar surplus and we're how many trillions in debt?? Honest to God, I've lost count. I don't blame one party or the other for the financial disaster because they're both equally guilty of sucking Alan Greenspans left one. It's the bankers fault...pure and simple. The bottom line is our economy is in the craphouse, GM had to be bailed out, and the govt. wants some if not all of the money back. Fine by me...we should have never lent it to them in the first place IMO. But we did, so it's only natural to help them get back on their feet anyway they can. That's where pounding the Japanese comes in. But it won't work for long...the Japanese are strong and one of the most technologically advanced people on earth. GM and Chrysler better get it right and get it right fast. They won't get a second chance to get back in the game. :notamused:

American car Co. have been getting away with selling thier ****ed up vehicles for a good many years now, so why are "the powers that be" coming down on Toyota? So that U.S made cars don't look half as bad as they really are? To help our screwed up economy? I don't know. What I do know is Toyota is getting a bad wrap that they don't deserve.

Every manufacturer is under pressure to produce a car that sells at a profit. For years Toyota has done well. Howver as they grew in numbers, the pressure to do both increased. Because of their fine reputation, they got by for a while. Now it can't be overlooked.

nothing to let go, American cars suck balls and Japanese made Toyotas are better. Get over yourself Capt. America.

Ok, prove what you say. Use data from JD Powers, Consumer Reports, or whatever. Not just you saying something sucks.

Sort of on topic, I had a conversation with an idiot today who was using the recall as an opportunity to slam non big 3 cars. He said it was funny, because it was proof that big 3 cars were better, and that it was "unamerican" to drive that other foreign garbage. I asked him if he'd ever so much as driven a non big 3 car, which by the way, most any car including non big 3 that you'll find in the states are made in the US and Mexico, which is very much part of America. He got dumb founded and pissed off at me, and started to raise his voice, at which point I left. I guess you can't fix stupid.

Ok, prove what you say. Use data from JD Powers, Consumer Reports, or whatever. Not just you saying something sucks.

Thanks for the back up, and hell it could be worse, look at the quads on me :)

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Ok, prove what you say. Use data from JD Powers, Consumer Reports, or whatever. Not just you saying something sucks.


I go by my personal experience and unlike others I don't need people like "JD Powers, Consumer Reports, or whatever" to tell me what I should buy. :rolleyes: matter of fact, as soon as my 1998 Rav 4 dies on me (which will prob be in like another 20 years) I'm gonna run right out and buy another one!



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Thanks for the back up, and hell it could be worse, look at the quads on me :)

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I'm sorry, I meant Wonder Woman. :o but hey! you still have nice quads....sorta. :thumb:

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American car Co. have been getting away with selling thier ****ed up vehicles for a good many years now, so why are "the powers that be" coming down on Toyota? So that U.S made cars don't look half as bad as they really are?

You're not kidding. Compared to the mind blowing crap that US companies have foisted on American consumers for decades, this is a sideshow.

Toyota didn't become the #1 car company on the planet (coming from WAY behind over the past 30 years to do so) by not doing more things right than they do wrong.

I'm confident they'll get back on track.

American car companies ARE getting better, at least Ford and GM (Chrysler is a lost cause). The fact that I'm considering buying a GM or Ford product over the next year is a good sign. I wouldn't have said that as recently as a couple of years ago. I'd LOVE to buy an American car. But it's up to them to CONVINCE me it's a good idea.

They're getting there.

That being said, I still have faith in Toyota, and my next car may BE a Toyota.

American car companies ARE getting better, at least Ford and GM (Chrysler is a lost cause). The fact that I'm considering buying a GM or Ford product over the next year is a good sign. I wouldn't have said that as recently as a couple of years ago. I'd LOVE to buy an American car. But it's up to them to CONVINCE me it's a good idea.

They're getting there.

That being said, I still have faith in Toyota, and my next car may BE a Toyota.

I hear you, and like I mentioned, my next car WILL be a Toyota. :)

American car companies ARE getting better, at least Ford and GM (Chrysler is a lost cause). The fact that I'm considering buying a GM or Ford product over the next year is a good sign. I wouldn't have said that as recently as a couple of years ago. I'd LOVE to buy an American car. But it's up to them to CONVINCE me it's a good idea.

They're getting there.

That being said, I still have faith in Toyota, and my next car may BE a Toyota.


It's like you were able to get through my aluminum foil hat and snatch that entire quote out of my brain. Congrats...

Toyota stock will recover from this speed bump rather quickly. This recall is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I have even more confidence in Toyota now. Howz the big 3 stock doing these days?

I wanted a Camry last time I bought a car, but couldn't afford it so I bought a Buick, a 2001 Regal. At just over 100,000 miles, it's still going strong, although it's now leaving a drop or two of oil on the garage floor. At this point, all I can do is hope, as I can't afford another car of any kind.
I just wish my wife could ride a bicycle, too.

I'm sorry, I meant Wonder Woman. :o but hey! you still have nice quads....sorta. :thumb:

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mmmm, Lynda Carter, the stuff of adolescent fantasies.

I go by my personal experience and unlike others I don't need people like "JD Powers, Consumer Reports, or whatever" to tell me what I should buy. :rolleyes: matter of fact, as soon as my 1998 Rav 4 dies on me (which will prob be in like another 20 years) I'm gonna run right out and buy another one!

I'm sorry but your single experience of buying a car 12 years ago isn't scientific to me.

Read the latest wire service articles where Toyota in Tokyo is admitting quality problems. The demand to produce 60% more cars from 2000 to 2008 overwhelmed their capability to keep the same level of quality. Three reasons are being cited - they can't produce engineers fast enough, they haven't been testing parts adequayely, and they haven't responded to complaints.

I'm 45 and been buying American vehicles all my life, and have also been having major problems with American vehicles all my life ('cept for the 60's and 70's muscle cars I had the pleasure of owning) after all the bull**** I went thru with the crappy American cars I finally decided to buy Japanese (1998 Toyota) and have had the vehicle since with no major or minor problems, thats my experience so I'm sticking with Toyota, my one Toyota did what no American car I owned ever did, it performed well as the Toyota dealer told me it would, and has done so for many many years. :thumb: BTW, who said my opinion was scientific? if you want scientific go see a scientist about the whole thing as I'm just a guy with an opinion about the great Toyota vehicle I own, but remember this, in the end all a scientist can give you is a guesstimation, or a paid endorsement.

I love my Honda.

That's all I'm saying here. For now. :)

I'm 45 and been buying American vehicles all my life, and have also been having major problems with American vehicles all my life ('cept for the 60's and 70's muscle cars I had the pleasure of owning) after all the bull**** I went thru with the crappy American cars I finally decided to buy Japanese (1998 Toyota) and have had the vehicle since with no major or minor problems, thats my experience so I'm sticking with Toyota, my one Toyota did what no American car I owned ever did, it performed well as the Toyota dealer told me it would, and has done so for many many years. :thumb: BTW, who said my opinion was scientific? if you want scientific go see a scientist about the whole thing as I'm just a guy with an opinion about the great Toyota vehicle I own, but remember this, in the end all a scientist can give you is a guesstimation, or a paid endorsement.

You said: "nothing to let go, American cars suck balls and Japanese made Toyotas are better. Get over yourself Capt. America. " and I asked how you define "suck." Your single experience is meaningless. I asked you to prove your statement with data like JD Powers and you said you don't need someone to tell you what to buy. All I'm saying is I'm glad your single buying experience was good but Toyota has some major problems and your individual experience from 12 years ago is insignificant . JD Powers and Consumer Reports show the experiences of hundreds of thousands of buyers.

None of you folks ever spent any time working for (or with) a car dealership, or somewhere n the auto companies' corporate networks? Most problems the car companies find never get aired in public - a car company simply issues a 'service advisory' or 'technical advisory' document to its dealerships telling them to 'change part X on model ABC when it comes in for service.' Its somewhat confidential, and repairs are done without the customers knowing anything was ever wrong with their vehicles. You'd be amazed to see how many of those 'advisory' documents each dealership has in its service dept files, regardless of car brand.

Toyota's problems are major? funny, I know lot's of people that own Toyota's of the specific models listed for recalls and not one complained about what the recall was about. Major? funny again because the number 1 recall of all time and for the most serious was FORD and their exploding Pintos at 1.5 million; #2 was Ford AGAIN for faulty ignitions that caused fires involved 8.6 million; #3 was GM for loose suspension bolts resulting in loosing control and crashes resulted in 5.8 million; #4 was Honda and Acura for defective seat belt releases that would either fail or trap the occupants in a crash resulted in 3.7 million; #5 was GM with flawed axle assemblies which caused the wheel to fall off resulting in 3.1 million. What about the GM's Corvair?

But there's a great temptation to rate the severity of vehicle recalls in terms of magnitude. But recalling 5 million vehicles for something minor may be nowhere near as devastating to a manufacturer as recalling a half million for something that is truly dangerous. And then there are cars that suffer only one recall while others seem to be recalled every week or so. Recalls simply aren't created equal.

You said: "nothing to let go, American cars suck balls and Japanese made Toyotas are better. Get over yourself Capt. America. " and I asked how you define "suck." Your single experience is meaningless. I asked you to prove your statement with data like JD Powers and you said you don't need someone to tell you what to buy. All I'm saying is I'm glad your single buying experience was good but Toyota has some major problems and your individual experience from 12 years ago is insignificant . JD Powers and Consumer Reports show the experiences of hundreds of thousands of buyers.


Its pretty simple, I stick with what works, and American made cars never worked....for me, so I have a Toyota thats works....for me, so I'm sticking with Toyota which you are told is junk, and you go ahead and enjoy what I feel is U.S. made junk, fair 'nough? thats it, the end.

Its pretty simple, I stick with what works, and American made cars never worked....for me, so I have a Toyota thats works....for me, so I'm sticking with Toyota which you are told is junk, and you go ahead and enjoy what I feel is U.S. made junk, fair 'nough? thats it, the end.

You misunderstood me. I didn't say Toyotas are junk. I believe the opposite and they are one of the best cars in the world. I reacted to the statement that American cars suck. In the last few years, the quality of Fords and a couple models of GM cars rank near or the best. But one can't use experiences from 10 to 20 years ago to base a judgement on today's cars.


you go ahead and enjoy what I feel is U.S. made junk

Actually I buy cars very frequently. The last ten cars I've brought include six Mercedes, a Jeep, a Corvette, a BMW, and a Honda.

You misunderstood me. I didn't say Toyotas are junk. I believe the opposite and they are one of the best cars in the world. I reacted to the statement that American cars suck. In the last few years, the quality of Fords and a couple models of GM cars rank near or the best. But one can't use experiences from 10 to 20 years ago to base a judgement on today's cars.



Actually I buy cars very frequently. The last ten cars I've brought include six Mercedes, a Jeep, a Corvette, a BMW, and a Honda.

Oh, OK, sorry 'bout that :o we do share a few "likes" as I do like the Jeeps and Hondas, but not the Mercedes or BMW, but who doesn't like a Corvette! :thumb:

Actually the problems with Toyota makes has been going on longer than just recently. Also the the government has been complicit in attempts by Toyota to cover up it's problems.

Actually the problems with Toyota makes has been going on longer than just recently. Also the the government has been complicit in attempts by Toyota to cover up it's problems.

That's all BS. There's been no government cover up to hide problems with Toyota. As one poster mentioned ALL manufactures have numerous service advisory's that OUR government then took some of those from Toyota and turned it into a big deal forcing Toyota to post recalls when Toyota was going to fix the problem through their service departments anyways. NONE of these "problems" have resulted in any accidents out of over 8 million some odd vehicles on the road with these supposedly big problems. This is strictly our government trying to make Toyota, and now Honda is on the hit list also, look bad so Government Motors...thats GM for those who don't get it, sales will go up and thus the government will make money off their new socialized car company.

Don't believe me, see this site and pick any car you want and just watch the millions of service advisory's and recalls that pop up, very few do you actually hear or read about: http://www.alldatadiy.com/recalls/

None of you folks ever spent any time working for (or with) a car dealership, or somewhere n the auto companies' corporate networks? Most problems the car companies find never get aired in public - a car company simply issues a 'service advisory' or 'technical advisory' document to its dealerships telling them to 'change part X on model ABC when it comes in for service.' Its somewhat confidential, and repairs are done without the customers knowing anything was ever wrong with their vehicles. You'd be amazed to see how many of those 'advisory' documents each dealership has in its service dept files, regardless of car brand.

And they do from time to time result in recalls where the manufacturer is required to contact the customer telling them to bring the vehicle in for repair. I remember a recall on Dodge Ram's a couple years back for an electrical component that could theoretically start a fire because I took it in for him. The repair took less than half an hour.

The lesson they should be learning is "don't fix it if it isn't broken" For 80 years they have had a mechanical connection between the gas pedal and the fuel delivery ( carburator, throttle body...etc. ) now all the sudden thats not good enough. we need the gas pedal to tell the computer to tell the throttle body to open. I never heard of a "throttle cable" failing. and you can buy a viable replacement at a bike store for about 10 dollars. someone ought to pass that along to toyota to help them with the recall.

The lesson they should be learning is "don't fix it if it isn't broken" For 80 years they have had a mechanical connection between the gas pedal and the fuel delivery ( carburator, throttle body...etc. ) now all the sudden thats not good enough. we need the gas pedal to tell the computer to tell the throttle body to open. I never heard of a "throttle cable" failing. and you can buy a viable replacement at a bike store for about 10 dollars. someone ought to pass that along to toyota to help them with the recall.


This is the lesson we all should be learning. but instead it seems we are all turning a blind eye to it.

OP by cia dog: "That's all BS. There's been no government cover up to hide problems with Toyota. As one poster mentioned ALL manufactures have numerous service advisory's that OUR government then took some of those from Toyota and turned it into a big deal forcing Toyota to post recalls when Toyota was going to fix the problem through their service departments anyways. NONE of these "problems" have resulted in any accidents out of over 8 million some odd vehicles on the road with these supposedly big problems. This is strictly our government trying to make Toyota, and now Honda is on the hit list also, look bad so Government Motors...thats GM for those who don't get it, sales will go up and thus the government will make money off their new socialized car company.

Don't believe me, see this site and pick any car you want and just watch the millions of service advisory's and recalls that pop up, very few do you actually hear or read about:" http://www.alldatadiy.com/recalls/ (http://www.alldatadiy.com/recalls/)

The lesson they should be learning is "don't fix it if it isn't broken" For 80 years they have had a mechanical connection between the gas pedal and the fuel delivery ( carburator, throttle body...etc. ) now all the sudden thats not good enough. we need the gas pedal to tell the computer to tell the throttle body to open. I never heard of a "throttle cable" failing. and you can buy a viable replacement at a bike store for about 10 dollars. someone ought to pass that along to toyota to help them with the recall.

This is true to some degree. It is true the more complicated we make cars the more likely hood of problems. But as much as I like older cars, there was some things older cars did that the manufacture never knew something like that could happen till it was too late. I had a another 67 Galaxy BEFORE the one I have now that caught fire when the starter solenoid blew leaving the wire hot back to the ignition, the wire got hotter and hotter till it caught the dash on fire and poof (my wife was driving it and didn't know what was happening). Ford didn't realize this could be an issue nor did any other manufacture and never thought about putting a fusible link in the wire. So guess what I did when I got another Galaxy? Yep, put a fusible link inline. But a lot of older cars had fires from like what I said to carburetor fires from backfires, but most of these backfire fires were due to later installing open air cleaners thus there was no filter container to keep the fire inside of.

I hate newer cars and newer stuff in general because they make stuff so that a person would have to have $30,000 plus in tools and keep adding to it every year they make a new car, or make stuff so it can't be fixed at all and you have to replace the whole thing. Back 40 years ago you bought a toaster and it could be repaired, not today, you just throw it away and buy another. Why isn't the GREEN ECO warbirds harping on all of this throw away waste? No, their more concerned about having wind generation plants put up that do very little for the money being spent, then have them taken down because they killed a few birds.

I think it's funny that the old 1908 Model T's got over 25mpg, 65 Peogeot got over 70mpg, 71 Honda Civics got over 60, 70's era smaller Fiats got over 50mpg, early 80's Geo Metros and Chevy Sprints got over 60mpg...all without any fancy and expensive hybrid technology and got better mileage then even the Pirus.

That's all BS. There's been no government cover up to hide problems with Toyota. As one poster mentioned ALL manufactures have numerous service advisory's that OUR government then took some of those from Toyota and turned it into a big deal forcing Toyota to post recalls when Toyota was going to fix the problem through their service departments anyways. NONE of these "problems" have resulted in any accidents out of over 8 million some odd vehicles on the road with these supposedly big problems. This is strictly our government trying to make Toyota, and now Honda is on the hit list also, look bad so Government Motors...thats GM for those who don't get it, sales will go up and thus the government will make money off their new socialized car company.

Don't believe me, see this site and pick any car you want and just watch the millions of service advisory's and recalls that pop up, very few do you actually hear or read about: http://www.alldatadiy.com/recalls/

Do a little research before you post: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/15/business/la-fi-toyota-deaths16-2010feb16 If you look hard enough, you can get the audio from the 911 call from the guy in the Lexus, beware, he and his 3 passengers all end up dead.

Do a little research before you post: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/15/business/la-fi-toyota-deaths16-2010feb16 If you look hard enough, you can get the audio from the 911 call from the guy in the Lexus, beware, he and his 3 passengers all end up dead.

Let's get this straight, a car suddenly speeds up to 120mph, the driver has time to call 911 but doesn't have time to hit the brakes hard and turn off the ignition? A tragedy true, but a tragedy that the driver could have prevented. And another wreck with the same thing happened but that one was caused by the floor mat that has occurred with floor mats many times with all sorts of cars, and still they didn't turn off the ignition either. All else fails you can throw the car into neutral and stop.

Let's get this straight, a car suddenly speeds up to 120mph, the driver has time to call 911 but doesn't have time to hit the brakes hard and turn off the ignition? A tragedy true, but a tragedy that the driver could have prevented. And another wreck with the same thing happened but that one was caused by the floor mat that has occurred with floor mats many times with all sorts of cars, and still they didn't turn off the ignition either. All else fails you can throw the car into neutral and stop.

Give it swing, the brakes on most cars are not strong enough to hold back the engine. The floor mats were in the trunk of his car when the incident happened. On most modern cars there are alot of interlocks, including ones to prevent you from shifting into neutral with the gas down, and shutting the car off in gear.