Road Cycling - 7800 or Record

Never ridden Record. I ride 7800. Which do you pefer? What are the strengths and weaknesses of Record. I am going to buy a Bianchi and mabye going to go Record. I need to know all the details. Is it lighter, smoother, faster? Oh and if somebody could clear this up it'd be great. Your not supposed to shift out of the saddle with dura ace. I heard you can do that with campy. THANKS ALL! -NlS

Never ridden Record. I ride 7800. Which do you pefer? What are the strengths and weaknesses of Record. I am going to buy a Bianchi and mabye going to go Record. I need to know all the details. Is it lighter, smoother, faster? Oh and if somebody could clear this up it'd be great. Your not supposed to shift out of the saddle with dura ace. I heard you can do that with campy. THANKS ALL! -NlS

Well I must first say that I am a Campy Snob so FWIW. I ride '03/'04 Record Carbon and love it. I've riden '04 DA and will say that DA shifts just a slight bit better. I also hear from those who claim to know that the new DA outside BB bearings are supposed to increase the BB stiffness.

Here is what I don't like about Shimano: The hoods are A: uncomfortable (for me) B: the non-areo shifter cables really bother me also C: I preffer the single action shifter of the Campy system.


But the number 1 reason I ride Campy is........Because it's Campy baby!

Well I must first say that I am a Campy Snob so FWIW. I ride '03/'04 Record Carbon and love it. I've riden '04 DA and will say that DA shifts just a slight bit better. I also hear from those who claim to know that the new DA outside BB bearings are supposed to increase the BB stiffness.

Here is what I don't like about Shimano: The hoods are A: uncomfortable (for me) B: the non-areo shifter cables really bother me also C: I preffer the single action shifter of the Campy system.


But the number 1 reason I ride Campy is........Because it's Campy baby!
Yeah man.. thanks for the imput... I just need a few more opinions. Thanks

I think that personal preference is a big factor. Personally if I had to buy the bike I'd go DA becuase its cheaper, but if I could choose a bike I'd use the carbon Record. One could look at it this way:
Dura Ace-science
Campy Record-art.
Of course since I'm only 15 I'll have quite a while before I'm gonna have to make this decision.

Never heard you couldn't shift out of the saddle with DA so I guess ignorance is bliss as I shift my DA when out of the saddle all the time. Personally, my vote would go to Record simply because Ergo fits my hands better, has nicer features (movable release lever, better front derailleur trim) and of course I think it looks prettier with the carbon. I would however bag on the Campy cranks and go with either Stronglight, FSA, IRD or Look. Likewise, my choice for brakes would be Zero Gravity and wheels would be Mavic Ksyriums.

I think that personal preference is a big factor. Personally if I had to buy the bike I'd go DA becuase its cheaper, but if I could choose a bike I'd use the carbon Record. One could look at it this way:
Dura Ace-science
Campy Record-art.


Well put!

what about those vintage aero brakes like lance uses with campy record? (how does one get such brakes anyway?)

what about those vintage aero brakes like lance uses with campy record? (how does one get such brakes anyway?)

They're Dura-Ace AX calipers with one STI lever and one non-STI Dura-Ace brake lever... not sure where you see that he uses them "with campy record".

You find AX by keeping your eyes open just like LA did when he rode PD-7401 Dura-Ace "Look" pedals. Another out-of-production part. Though I imagine at this point people with AX brakes have contacted the team and provided all that they'll ever need. When I worked at a LBS I picked up 3 pairs of PD-7401 when they went on blow out. I'm down to one pair now after selling off two of them. :(

the with campy part wasn't meant for lance.. sorry

i prefer DA for the feel of the STI shifters, but otherwise i much prefer record.
i'm curious to see if campy follows suit and comes out with a bottom bracket
with the bearings located outside of the BB. i know that FSA is going to be coming
out with a road crank in this fashion and race face already has one.

i hope that shimano solves two problems: (a) routes the shifter cables in a
more aero fashion without sacrificing shifting performance and (b) improves
the securing of the crank arms. i recently had my left crank arm slide off of
my bike equipped with 7800, and i have heard stories from several folks indicating
that this is an all too common problem with the new DA. the owner of my LBS
said that he talked to his shimano rep and that they are aware of this problem
but had no answers or solutions.

the with campy part wasn't meant for lance.. sorry

Ah, I get it now... you wanted to combine AX brakes with Record levers. That would be a interesting combination... very aero.

I think that personal preference is a big factor. Personally if I had to buy the bike I'd go DA becuase its cheaper, but if I could choose a bike I'd use the carbon Record. One could look at it this way:
Dura Ace-science
Campy Record-art.
Of course since I'm only 15 I'll have quite a while before I'm gonna have to make this decision.

WoW, only 15 and you know the meaning of life! :)

Ah, I get it now... you wanted to combine AX brakes with Record levers. That would be a interesting combination... very aero.


Why ruin perfectly a perfectly good Campy gruppo with Shimano when you could add the Record Delta brakeset. Very areo and very beautiful. The only drawback of Campy brakes of that era is that they didn't stop very well!

Your not supposed to shift out of the saddle with dura ace. I heard you can do that with campy. THANKS ALL! -NlS

Who says you're not supposed to shift out of the saddle with DA? I do it many times each ride.

Oh and if somebody could clear this up it'd be great. Your not supposed to shift out of the saddle with dura ace. I heard you can do that with campy. THANKS ALL! -NlS

Yeah....I never heard this before. I have always shifted out of the saddle with my Ultegra and Dura Ace bikes. I have even done it with the 105 bikes I have ridden without any problems. Just wanted to clear this issue up.

Yeah....I never heard this before. I have always shifted out of the saddle with my Ultegra and Dura Ace bikes. I have even done it with the 105 bikes I have ridden without any problems. Just wanted to clear this issue up. Yeah i have never-ever seen somebody shift outta the saddle on the new DA. Only people on Record. I have shifted out of the saddle 5 times in the 6 months I have had my new bicycle. I just thought that it puts major stress on your cassette teeth, Crank Teeth and chain. Oh well. I will ask some of the racers around my LBS and some mechanics. I have seen Lance get out and shift a couple of times during the tour. Hmmmm. It would definately help if you could shift out of the saddle. I am a racer and never actually knew if you could shift while charging out of the saddle. Thanks all.

Hmmmm. It would definately help if you could shift out of the saddle. I am a racer and never actually knew if you could shift while charging out of the saddle. Thanks all.

There's a bit of an art to it, IMO. On the pedal stroke before the shift give a little extra push, then on the next stroke ease off slightly during the shift. If you don't ease off you're risking a broken chain.

It would definately help if you could shift out of the saddle. I am a racer and never actually knew if you could shift while charging out of the saddle.

I guess this is where having no road-racing experience pays off for me. I used to race MTB and shifting out of the saddle was norm. Also, you do a lot more shifting in general when MTBing and you're out of the saddle a lot of the time. Shifting while being in a variety of positions is just common practice. So I do it on the road bike too.

If you don't ease off you're risking a broken chain. Yeah. See that's what I always thought.

I use Shimano it works fine and sticks in the craw of the Campy elitists. ;-)

Shifting out of the saddle requires a little thought with DA which is obvisously beyond most Campy users. ;-)

You pays your money you takes your chances.