Advocacy & Safety - Lesson for a bike thief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoK0Mvcb0pY



The laugh at the end is great !!! lmao


3-06-2010 4:15pm EDT
original video edited by the person that submitted it.... sometime after this thread was posted

Complete video here.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c16_1267673255

That vid has been on YouTube for a long time. Still funny. :lol:

Bike thief?
That vid was the equivalent of leaving a $20 bill on the sidewalk with poison on it.
Fricking rednecks.

Thought it was interesting that they walked by and knocked the bike over.

Yeah I know a bike set against a wall is not very stable, but at the same time they are also easy to avoid.

That was lame.

That was lame.

Yep. Fellow could have done with a couple of cameras at each street joining the intersection.

-Kurt

That vid was the equivalent of leaving a $20 bill on the sidewalk with poison on it.

Not really! Anyone normal would pick up $20.
The target in this case, was clearly defined .,.,. Bike Thief!.!.!.!

Actually, the punishable crime here might be one committed by the videographer. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the unlocked bicycle, rigged deliberately to fail in a manner that could cause injury falls under the "attractive nuisance" tort. An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned and would be attractive to a "child"- and an unlocked bicycle left outside on a sidewalk definitely falls under that category.

Had any of those children had a serious injury, broken their neck or caused an automobile accident as they rolled into the road the videographer would have more than likely been at least charged with a crime if not convicted or would have been subject to a civil suit. It's interesting he chose what looked like a low income neighborhood. It would have been interesting to see him leave that same rigged bike near a playground in an affluent neighborhood- my guess it wouldn't have taken all that much more time before some kid grabbed it and rode off on it.

Hey, maybe the videographer will get the bright idea of leaving a loaded gun for some kid to pick up and videotape that too. And the gun should be rigged to blow up in their hands if they pull the trigger- that should teach them, huh?!:rolleyes:

It would have been interesting to see him leave that same rigged bike near a playground in an affluent neighborhood

Apparently the videos submitter has edited out the affluent neighborhood (Newport Beach) control portion after the posting of this thread.

Complete video here.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c16_1267673255


An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned

Whats abandoned ? Leaving your bike outside ,while going in to shop?

How long is it before something is abandoned? seconds,minutes hours?


Hey, maybe the videographer will get the bright idea of leaving a loaded gun for some kid to pick up and videotape that too. And the gun should be rigged to blow up in their hands if they pull the trigger- that should teach them, huh?!


LOOK GENIUS, This post is about bike thieves.

Bottom line is If its not yours don't touch it. Apparently some people have not learned or been taught that lesson!

Actually, the punishable crime here might be one committed by the videographer. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the unlocked bicycle, rigged deliberately to fail in a manner that could cause injury falls under the "attractive nuisance" tort. An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned and would be attractive to a "child"- and an unlocked bicycle left outside on a sidewalk definitely falls under that category.

Had any of those children had a serious injury, broken their neck or caused an automobile accident as they rolled into the road the videographer would have more than likely been at least charged with a crime if not convicted or would have been subject to a civil suit. It's interesting he chose what looked like a low income neighborhood. It would have been interesting to see him leave that same rigged bike near a playground in an affluent neighborhood- my guess it wouldn't have taken all that much more time before some kid grabbed it and rode off on it.

Hey, maybe the videographer will get the bright idea of leaving a loaded gun for some kid to pick up and videotape that too. And the gun should be rigged to blow up in their hands if they pull the trigger- that should teach them, huh?!:rolleyes:

I thought that an attractive nuisance applied to anything that was attractive to anyone not just a child. Such as the example that my father had used several years ago, of a 6' or better chainlink fence to keep out trespassers is alright. But take said fence and add "No Trespassing" signs and it becomes an attractive nuisance, because it "invites" people to climb it and trespass.

If I remember correctly, didn't Bicycling Magazine run an article on what to do if one is "caught out and about" without a lock. One was after stopping to shift gears so that if a would be thief attempted to ride off the chain is likely to fall of the chainrings and/or sprockets. Or using the chinstrap of their helmet to "secure" it to a post.

Wouldn't the shifting of gears after stopping so that the chain falls off possibly do damage?

Apparently the videos submitter has edited out the affluent neighborhood (Newport Beach) control portion after the posting of this thread.

Complete video here.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c16_1267673255




Whats abandoned ? Leaving your bike outside ,while going in to shop?

How long is it before something is abandoned? seconds,minutes hours?

Good question, there's a bike that's been chained to street sign near a bus stop bench for at least a week now. Does that count as an "abandoned bike?" I've also have seen a bike "abandoned" in a similar fashion in the parking lot of the local 7 - Eleven. That one I've often thought might be a police sting operation.


LOOK GENIUS, This post is about bike thieves.

Exactly.


Bottom line is If its not yours don't touch it. Apparently some people have not learned or been taught that lesson!

Again, exactly, if it ain't yours locked or not keep your mits off of it.

Actually, the punishable crime here might be one committed by the videographer. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the unlocked bicycle, rigged deliberately to fail in a manner that could cause injury falls under the "attractive nuisance" tort. An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned and would be attractive to a "child"- and an unlocked bicycle left outside on a sidewalk definitely falls under that category.

Had any of those children had a serious injury, broken their neck or caused an automobile accident as they rolled into the road the videographer would have more than likely been at least charged with a crime if not convicted or would have been subject to a civil suit. It's interesting he chose what looked like a low income neighborhood. It would have been interesting to see him leave that same rigged bike near a playground in an affluent neighborhood- my guess it wouldn't have taken all that much more time before some kid grabbed it and rode off on it.

Hey, maybe the videographer will get the bright idea of leaving a loaded gun for some kid to pick up and videotape that too. And the gun should be rigged to blow up in their hands if they pull the trigger- that should teach them, huh?!:rolleyes:

I thought that an attractive nuisance applied to anything that was attractive to anyone not just a child. Such as the example that my father had used several years ago, of a 6' or better chainlink fence to keep out trespassers is alright. But take said fence and add "No Trespassing" signs and it becomes an attractive nuisance, because it "invites" people to climb it and trespass.

If I remember correctly, didn't Bicycling Magazine run an article on what to do if one is "caught out and about" without a lock. One was after stopping to shift gears so that if a would be thief attempted to ride off the chain is likely to fall of the chainrings and/or sprockets. Or using the chinstrap of their helmet to "secure" it to a post.

Wouldn't the shifting of gears after stopping so that the chain falls off possibly do damage?

Bike thief?
That vid was the equivalent of leaving a $20 bill on the sidewalk with poison on it.
Fricking rednecks.
Except not. People dont leave twenty dollar bills on the sidewalk to go shopping, they lose and drop them. If you dont pick it up, the guy behind you will. A bicycle belongs to someone, locked or not, and that someone knows exactly where he left it and had a reason to leave it. So dont touch it.

Except yes. People don't leave shiny bikes unattended for ages on a busy streetcorner.
A thief would have been off on it like a shot.
Those kids were wondering, "WTF is this?" Lost? Abandoned? Then they just sauntered off with it.
The $20 analogy stands.

Actually, the punishable crime here might be one committed by the videographer. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the unlocked bicycle, rigged deliberately to fail in a manner that could cause injury falls under the "attractive nuisance" tort. An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned and would be attractive to a "child"- and an unlocked bicycle left outside on a sidewalk definitely falls under that category.

Had any of those children had a serious injury, broken their neck or caused an automobile accident as they rolled into the road the videographer would have more than likely been at least charged with a crime if not convicted or would have been subject to a civil suit. It's interesting he chose what looked like a low income neighborhood. It would have been interesting to see him leave that same rigged bike near a playground in an affluent neighborhood- my guess it wouldn't have taken all that much more time before some kid grabbed it and rode off on it.

Hey, maybe the videographer will get the bright idea of leaving a loaded gun for some kid to pick up and videotape that too. And the gun should be rigged to blow up in their hands if they pull the trigger- that should teach them, huh?!:rolleyes:

Wow. Twist a simple fact with every BS legal argument and bit of faux logic you can think of. Just like a lawyer. The kid ganked a bike that wasn't his and got a nice little surprise.

Except yes. People don't leave shiny bikes unattended for ages on a busy streetcorner.
A thief would have been off on it like a shot.
Those kids were wondering, "WTF is this?" Lost? Abandoned? Then they just sauntered off with it.
The $20 analogy stands.

Are you saying that if I spot a bright red Ferrari in the parking lot, and it's not locked, that it's OK to drive off in it?

Uh, don't the police do something similar with cars in certain areas? I mean they don't rig them to explode or fall apart or anything, but don't they on occasion leave a nice car in a spot to see if anyone will try to steal it? I think with either a kill switch that only let's the thieves get a mile or two down the road or they have a remote kill switch (kind of like the "new" service that OnStar provides) that they can use to disable the car after the thief drivers off. Or I think that I have seen some that are wired with a video camera and when a would be thief gets in the police remotely lock the doors preventing the would be thief from leaving.

Regardless of all the legal terms, the basic idea I always heard is that you are not allowed to booby-trap things- make it so that someone, even if they are in the wrong, would get hurt because of deliberate actions you take. Like you can't rig up a shotgun to blow someone's head off if they try to come in your front door. I think this bike pretty much falls under the same category: The videographer intentionally booby-trapped the bike in order to cause harm to someone who might try to ride off with it.

Those kids were wondering, "WTF is this?" Lost? Abandoned? Then they just sauntered off with it.
The $20 analogy stands.

Bullcrap.

-Kurt

Bullcrap.

-Kurt

And the kids in your neighbourhood would do different?
All thieves?
You sure?

And the kids in your neighbourhood would do different?
All thieves?
You sure?Now we know why NL has an extremely high bicycle theft rate, they are just treated like lost money on the sidewalk.:twitchy:

PS: someone steals my bike and I steal another bike, then all is good.

...An "attractive nuisance" is any object, particularly one that is abandoned and would be attractive to a "child"- and an unlocked bicycle left outside on a sidewalk definitely falls under that category. I believe an "attractive nuisance" is more along the lines of an abandoned refrigerator, that a kid could climb into and die. NOT some bicycle that the kid decided to steal.

And the kids in your neighbourhood would do different?
All thieves?
You sure?

Are you trying to say that it's perfectly acceptable for someone to walk off with the unattended belongings of someone else?

You must be a trip in a museum.

-Kurt

The video shows a guy sabotage a bicycle and leave it, completely unsecured, in front of a store; a bunch of kids see it, then, eventually, one of them takes it. This idea, "You don't know whose it is, but you know it isn't yours, so, DON'T TOUCH IT!" doesn't really hold up. Has none of you ever found something in the street and considered yourself simply "lucky"? Stick with the twenty-dollar–bill analogy, or pick something else: how about a nice new notebook without a hint of writing?

Fine, this is a bicycle: it didn't "fall out of a bag," and it's possible some (dumbass) left it unattended and unlocked while he went into a store to grab something "really, really quick — like, I'm be back in just literally two seconds." At least one kid waited around for a while (I don't think we know for how long, but it looks to have been at least many minutes). Should the bike have been left alone? When is a bicycle considered abandoned? How about if the cycle had been in bad shape? How bad would it have had to be for someone to reasonably assume it was discarded and take the thing home? Is it never acceptable to take what's found? I don't know — maybe, maybe not, but rigging an item such anyone who takes it might be killed (as he suddenly falls off the bicycle and is run over by a truck) doesn't strike me as great blow on behalf of the biking community or on behalf of intelligence or on behalf of morality.

I look at it this way: If someone posted in here and said, "I left my shiny blue bicycle unlocked outside of a convenience store in a high crime area and after quite some time a group of kids walked off with it." Who would you say was the idiot? The person who left an unlocked bike or the kids that walked away with it?

This video is nothing more than a malicious prank and hardly the vigilante justice some of you seem to wish it was. Leave a shiny new kid's bicycle in an impoverished area where kids have nothing and wait till someone takes the bait? There's something worth spending your time doing. We definitely live in a better, safer world thanks to this excellent video on how to "teach a lesson".:rolleyes:

Malicious prank or not, I got a good laugh out of it.

This video is nothing more than a malicious prank and hardly the vigilante justice some of you seem to wish it was. Leave a shiny new kid's bicycle in an impoverished area where kids have nothing and wait till someone takes the bait? There's something worth spending your time doing. We definitely live in a better, safer world thanks to this excellent video on how to "teach a lesson"


Obviously, You will never get it , Goldenspoon. You undoubtedly never had to live by the consequences of your actions.

I'll try and help you figure it out. For examples sake you will play the thief. Ready here we go.

You decide that you are going to make off with an unattended bike. After a few stomps of the pedals ,the bike collapses and
you crash to the ground injuring yourself. Unless you are a total DOLT , the next time you will think twice about acting out your thieving tendencies . Hopefully your frayends will be witnesses to your folly and they too will be a bit more leery about taking something that is not theirs.
This maybe the only lesson you will learn about right and wrong in your lifetime. Most likely, it will be the only time that you pay a price for your criminal behavior.

Yes indeed, it will be a better world once you and your cohorts start receiving punishment for your crimes.


There's something worth spending your time doing

Guaranteed, guiding wayward youth on to the straight and narrow path is time well spent.

Okay, the clip was lame. But "If it ain't yours, don't mess with it." applies. Comparing "finding" a bike in that environment to finding a $20 bill is apples and oranges and doesn't apply.

I don't do it because I don't see the need around here, but I like the idea I heard awhile back about opening the QR on the brakes every time the bike gets locked up. Think a thief is going to think to check for that before riding off after they've taken the time to get past the lock? I doubt it, and it would make for a funny video.
" ... and here he is riding off on the bike. Oh look here comes a bus ... ":lol:

Obviously, You will never get it

You're right. I'll probably never find such a mean spirited adolescent prank funny.



Guaranteed, guiding wayward youth on to the straight and narrow path is time well spent.

Couldn't agree more. But I believe you are seriously deluding yourself if you think what this guy did in the video will change the world for the better. I suppose for an audience of similarly angry cynics it provides some entertainment but an "educational" video- nope.

I look at it this way: If someone posted in here and said, "I left my shiny blue bicycle unlocked outside of a convenience store in a high crime area and after quite some time a group of kids walked off with it." Who would you say was the idiot? The person who left an unlocked bike or the kids that walked away with it?
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The person who left the bike is the idiot, the kid that walked off with it is the thief.

The person who left the bike is the idiot, the kid that walked off with it is the thief.

Well, said.

I suppose for an audience of similarly angry cynics it provides some entertainment but an "educational" video- nope.

It seems as though you are the angry cynic!



With exception of a few who will never get it, Show this video to a group of youths then ask

how many will be eager to jump on and steal the next bike they see.

Most certainly the intelligent majority will be very hesitant.

Not "Educational" , Yeah Right!

It seems as though you are the angry cynic!



With exception of a few who will never get it, Show this video to a group of youths then ask

how many will be eager to jump on and steal the next bike they see.

Most certainly the intelligent majority will be very hesitant.

Not "Educational" , Yeah Right!


I occasionally work with kids in a locked facility. Next time the opportunity arises I'll suggest they watch the video. Knowing them they'll want to rig a bike to do the same thing so they can watch the outcome. Or they'll want to beat the crap out of the coward that left the rigged bike and then hid- thus avoiding any consequences for his actions.;)

It would be really naive to think this would keep them from stealing a bike- more inclined to just make sure it's not a plant or rigged before they stole it.

It would be really naive to think this would keep them from stealing a bike- more inclined to just make sure it's not a plant or rigged before they stole it.

Exactly how I see this as well.
Seriously, you think the kid/theif, whatever you wish to call him is going to see this as some "enlightening moment"? You think he feels as though he's been punished for his crime?
I doubt it.

I couldn't even laugh at this vid because it was so bloody pointless. If you're going to target thieves? Target thieves, not casual opportunists.

It seems as though you are the angry cynic!



With exception of a few who will never get it, Show this video to a group of youths then ask

how many will be eager to jump on and steal the next bike they see.

Most certainly the intelligent majority will be very hesitant.

Not "Educational" , Yeah Right!

On what are you basing your assumption? First, did you put your guess to the test? Second, if you're talking about a "bunch of thieves," how many of them would you expect to be "intelligent" in this way?

More important than if this actually would deter a behavior is whether it is an acceptable form of deterrence. It's dangerous and thoughtless, and, no, it's not acceptable.

More important than if this actually would deter a behavior is whether it is an acceptable form of deterrence. It's dangerous and thoughtless, and, no, it's not acceptable.

This video not acceptable form of deterrence? Whaa Dangerous and thoughtless?

Another one that'll NEVER get it

Try this one : Warning! AIDS tainted needles are being rigged in the coin returns of area pay phones.
NOW without pause , plunge your finger into the next one you come across and check for abandon coins.





If you're going to target thieves? Target thieves, not casual opportunists.

Oh so casual opportunists are NOT thieves?




It would be really naive to think this would keep them from stealing a bike- more inclined to just make sure it's not a plant or rigged before they stole it.

That hesitation maybe the difference between your bike still being where you left it or not.

Oh so casual opportunists are NOT thieves?

Casual opportunists prey on our mistakes. Pain in the ass, and when it happens to us, yes, we want to practice our "boot to the head" techinique on their skull. I've been victim to this. But this low life, is not quite of the same caliber, as the stain that intentionally carries tools to steal a properly locked bike (or anything really).

In other words; we can defeat casual opportunists ourselves by just locking our bikes. So target the people who are still a problem.