fitmiss
08-20-04, 08:44 PM
Maybe it is me but I don't see it listed. What happened to this forum sine this afternoon? I was on a different computer but I was definitely reading threads in that forum.
Forum Suggestions & User Assistance - Women's Cycling Forum?
Bikeforums.net is a forum about nothing but bikes. Our community can help you find information about hard-to-find and localized information like bicycle tours, specialties like where in your area to have your recumbent bike serviced, or what are the best bicycle tires and seats for the activities you use your bike for.Joe Gardner
08-20-04, 08:46 PM
You now have access, look for an announcement later tonight. :)
fitmiss
08-20-04, 10:07 PM
Thanks -- I can see the forum now.
ben213us
08-21-04, 03:16 AM
i cant seem to see it altho im logged in
denisegoldberg
08-21-04, 09:59 AM
Joe -
I seem to have lost access to the women's cycling forum too. I looked in the user control panel to see if there was a setting I needed, but nothing was obvious.
Thanks for your help!
I seem to have lost access to the women's cycling forum too. I looked in the user control panel to see if there was a setting I needed, but nothing was obvious.
Thanks for your help!
Chris L
08-21-04, 09:11 PM
Denise,
Send a private message to either Joe or Koffee Brown. They can arrange access for you.
Send a private message to either Joe or Koffee Brown. They can arrange access for you.
A.troll
08-22-04, 12:43 AM
I am sad, I cannot read the Women's Forum anymore. :(
No trolls allowed?
No trolls allowed?
Guest
08-22-04, 12:46 AM
Nope. Sorry troll... :(
Don't worry. I spoke to Joe- he is going to have a Troll only private forum. You'll be good to go in a jiff, ok? :D
Koffee
Don't worry. I spoke to Joe- he is going to have a Troll only private forum. You'll be good to go in a jiff, ok? :D
Koffee
ben213us
08-22-04, 01:43 AM
ok i am logged in but i cant access the forum. i can t even change my email notifications, so i get notifications of new threads which i cannot read, and i cant stop them email notifications..
erraticrider
08-22-04, 08:48 AM
This change is really unhelpful. The vast majority of men on this site totally respected the women's forum and used it, if at all, to learn about issues that might affect their spouses/gfs. That help for us is now gone, just because of one or a few idiots. (Or, is my perspective wrong?)
late
08-22-04, 10:51 AM
I agree. My wife uses a computer at work, and has no interest
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV.
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV.
Joe Gardner
08-22-04, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the feed back guys, this is a rather hot topic right now, and we are sure to have some more changes over the next few days.
auk
08-22-04, 06:19 PM
Agreed, it is a shame. I used the forum on setting up a road bike size wise, and equipment wise for my 12 y/o niece. In looking to do the same thing soon for my fiance, hopefully things will be resolved in a non-restrictive manner.
Dave
Dave
pcsanity1
08-22-04, 07:03 PM
My wife always sent me to the womens forum to post questions for her. Now that it is not available.....
She went in and signed up for her own ID. Kind of a pain for her to have to log in just to look at that one forum. She often relied on me to check the forum for her. (Yes, we talk about the "woman" stuff, we are married after all.
Now she is just waiting to get access. I fear that the usefulness of the information will suffer though since she is not as likely to go log in herself. :(
Oh well, things change. I am sure there are other forums available if things do not work out, which would be sad.
She went in and signed up for her own ID. Kind of a pain for her to have to log in just to look at that one forum. She often relied on me to check the forum for her. (Yes, we talk about the "woman" stuff, we are married after all.
Now she is just waiting to get access. I fear that the usefulness of the information will suffer though since she is not as likely to go log in herself. :(
Oh well, things change. I am sure there are other forums available if things do not work out, which would be sad.
lala
08-22-04, 07:54 PM
I'm confused. Why don't these women want to get on the 'puter and participate for themselves?
"I agree. My wife uses a computer at work, and has no interest
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV."
"My wife always sent me to the womens forum to post questions for her. Now that it is not available.....
And, no, she will not get her own ID..."
"I agree. My wife uses a computer at work, and has no interest
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV."
"My wife always sent me to the womens forum to post questions for her. Now that it is not available.....
And, no, she will not get her own ID..."
pcsanity1
08-22-04, 07:58 PM
Well, between 60 hour work weeks and logging 150 - 200 miles per week on the bike, she does not have as much free time as I do to "play" on the computer. The forums here are a "if I get to it" type of thing" for her. I it comes to more time on the bike or skipping that to check the forums, I know the bike will win.
Heck, I was overjoyed when she went and decided to get a bike in October last year. Now she has nearly 4k miles on the bike....I never would have thought, but am so happy. It went from her giving me trouble for riding 2 days on the weekend to her giving me trouble if I decide to skip one of the days.
Matt :o
I'm confused. Why don't these women want to get on the 'puter and participate for themselves?
"I agree. My wife uses a computer at work, and has no interest
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV."
"My wife always sent me to the womens forum to post questions for her. Now that it is not available.....
And, no, she will not get her own ID..."
Heck, I was overjoyed when she went and decided to get a bike in October last year. Now she has nearly 4k miles on the bike....I never would have thought, but am so happy. It went from her giving me trouble for riding 2 days on the weekend to her giving me trouble if I decide to skip one of the days.
Matt :o
I'm confused. Why don't these women want to get on the 'puter and participate for themselves?
"I agree. My wife uses a computer at work, and has no interest
in forums. I guess I can still place her questions in one of the other forums. Finding a seat my wife liked took years. Access to the women's forum helped a lot in that process. I see it as a major step in the wrong direction, YMMV."
"My wife always sent me to the womens forum to post questions for her. Now that it is not available.....
And, no, she will not get her own ID..."
late
08-22-04, 08:03 PM
She rides to be with me. She expects me to take care of the details.
She has participated in threads that interest her, but she only learns of them when I tell her. Never in a million years would she come here on her own. Which would be true even if she had not spent 8 or more hours working with a computer at her job...
She has participated in threads that interest her, but she only learns of them when I tell her. Never in a million years would she come here on her own. Which would be true even if she had not spent 8 or more hours working with a computer at her job...
lala
08-22-04, 08:15 PM
60 hr work weeks suck!! Are you a house husband?
DnvrFox
08-22-04, 08:35 PM
She rides to be with me. She expects me to take care of the details.
She has participated in threads that interest her, but she only learns of them when I tell her. Never in a million years would she come here on her own. Which would be true even if she had not spent 8 or more hours working with a computer at her job...
Exactly - DITTO!
She works with a computer daily, and has other interests.
However, I have mentioned to her a number of significant posts in the women's forum, and she has enjoyed reading these, and 2 times responding through my membership. Particularly if it reinforces some problems, concerns or attitudes she has had or is having.
She has no other females to share thoughts with about biking, so I help her by noticing things that she might want to read.
Not everyone has both an interest in cycling (which she loves) and an interest in forums (which she doesn't).
She has participated in threads that interest her, but she only learns of them when I tell her. Never in a million years would she come here on her own. Which would be true even if she had not spent 8 or more hours working with a computer at her job...
Exactly - DITTO!
She works with a computer daily, and has other interests.
However, I have mentioned to her a number of significant posts in the women's forum, and she has enjoyed reading these, and 2 times responding through my membership. Particularly if it reinforces some problems, concerns or attitudes she has had or is having.
She has no other females to share thoughts with about biking, so I help her by noticing things that she might want to read.
Not everyone has both an interest in cycling (which she loves) and an interest in forums (which she doesn't).
Guest
08-22-04, 08:58 PM
1) If you have questions about your wife or gf/sig other, feel free to post in the General Cycling Forum. Just because the womens Cycling Forum isn't accessible to guys, doesn't mean they can't ask a question in the general forums. I believe women do read ALL the forums. If they have an interest in what you are saying, they will respond.
2) If access is granted to wives/gf/sig. other, we expect that they will take the time to register and ask for the access themselves. Understand, though, that they should respect the privacy of the forums and be sure to log out after they finish with the forums. If we do find that the men are posting in the women's forum through their gf/wife's/sig. other's account, we will have to terminate the access to the Women's Cycling forum for both members.
Seriously, if the men are that concerned about women's issues, I highly encourage them to discuss these issues in the General Cycling forum.
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
2) If access is granted to wives/gf/sig. other, we expect that they will take the time to register and ask for the access themselves. Understand, though, that they should respect the privacy of the forums and be sure to log out after they finish with the forums. If we do find that the men are posting in the women's forum through their gf/wife's/sig. other's account, we will have to terminate the access to the Women's Cycling forum for both members.
Seriously, if the men are that concerned about women's issues, I highly encourage them to discuss these issues in the General Cycling forum.
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
pcsanity1
08-22-04, 10:10 PM
No, not a house husband....Dual Income No Kids...enjoying life. I just have a more flexible work schedule due to the fact that I have to do alot of traveling, and when I am home I get the opportunity for reduced work weeks!
I wish I were a house husband! But then again, the dual income sure does help feed the cycling, travel, and scuba habits.
:)
60 hr work weeks suck!! Are you a house husband?
I wish I were a house husband! But then again, the dual income sure does help feed the cycling, travel, and scuba habits.
:)
60 hr work weeks suck!! Are you a house husband?
erraticrider
08-23-04, 06:26 AM
1) If you have questions about your wife or gf/sig other, feel free to post in the General Cycling Forum. Just because the womens Cycling Forum isn't accessible to guys, doesn't mean they can't ask a question in the general forums. I believe women do read ALL the forums. If they have an interest in what you are saying, they will respond.
2) If access is granted to wives/gf/sig. other, we expect that they will take the time to register and ask for the access themselves. Understand, though, that they should respect the privacy of the forums and be sure to log out after they finish with the forums. If we do find that the men are posting in the women's forum through their gf/wife's/sig. other's account, we will have to terminate the access to the Women's Cycling forum for both members.
Seriously, if the men are that concerned about women's issues, I highly encourage them to discuss these issues in the General Cycling forum.
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
Well, Koffee, this doesn't quite cover the help that I need and found in reading the women's forum. With respect to biking matters, as between my wife and I, I am the leader and her interest comes from a desire to share one of my passions (in other areas she leads). However, not being a woman and not knowing what issues may arise, I often don't know what questions to ask. Reading the women's forum has enabled me to anticipate problems/issues and raise the possibility with my wife before she has had an irritation to deal with. This has increased her enjoyment of biking in two ways: avoiding avoidable problems and knowing that I care enough about her to learn what issues might affect her on the bike (i.e., that I don't expect her to be just like me). Now, under your formulation, I must figure out the question before I can learn. Given that most women don't figure out the question without experiencing the problem, I think that this is a nearly impossible hurdle for me.
I have tried to respect the value of a space where women may talk without interference by boys' voices and don't think that I posted in the women's forum (except recently to chide that galen guy for giving you a hard time). I think that you are destroying much value in your response to the disrespect of galen (and actually giving him too much power over you).
2) If access is granted to wives/gf/sig. other, we expect that they will take the time to register and ask for the access themselves. Understand, though, that they should respect the privacy of the forums and be sure to log out after they finish with the forums. If we do find that the men are posting in the women's forum through their gf/wife's/sig. other's account, we will have to terminate the access to the Women's Cycling forum for both members.
Seriously, if the men are that concerned about women's issues, I highly encourage them to discuss these issues in the General Cycling forum.
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
Well, Koffee, this doesn't quite cover the help that I need and found in reading the women's forum. With respect to biking matters, as between my wife and I, I am the leader and her interest comes from a desire to share one of my passions (in other areas she leads). However, not being a woman and not knowing what issues may arise, I often don't know what questions to ask. Reading the women's forum has enabled me to anticipate problems/issues and raise the possibility with my wife before she has had an irritation to deal with. This has increased her enjoyment of biking in two ways: avoiding avoidable problems and knowing that I care enough about her to learn what issues might affect her on the bike (i.e., that I don't expect her to be just like me). Now, under your formulation, I must figure out the question before I can learn. Given that most women don't figure out the question without experiencing the problem, I think that this is a nearly impossible hurdle for me.
I have tried to respect the value of a space where women may talk without interference by boys' voices and don't think that I posted in the women's forum (except recently to chide that galen guy for giving you a hard time). I think that you are destroying much value in your response to the disrespect of galen (and actually giving him too much power over you).
DnvrFox
08-23-04, 06:58 AM
I have tried to respect the value of a space where women may talk without interference by boys' voices and don't think that I posted in the women's forum (except recently to chide that galen guy for giving you a hard time). I think that you are destroying much value in your response to the disrespect of galen (and actually giving him too much power over you).
My guess is that someone is bound and determined to have a closed "women's forum" no matter the logic involved, and all of this discussion is a waste of time.
Another option would be to have a "moderated" women's forum, so that the nasties don't ever get posted.
My guess is that someone is bound and determined to have a closed "women's forum" no matter the logic involved, and all of this discussion is a waste of time.
Another option would be to have a "moderated" women's forum, so that the nasties don't ever get posted.
ben213us
08-23-04, 07:21 AM
can you please tell me how to UMSUBSCRIBE FROM NOTIFICATIONS for womens forum since i cant see anything. and one more thing, jsut becuase my username is ben213us, it does NOT mean i am a guy. there are some people who choose "unsual" email names for various reasons.
ChipRGW
08-23-04, 09:32 AM
So then,
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
Guest
08-23-04, 09:34 AM
can you please tell me how to UMSUBSCRIBE FROM NOTIFICATIONS for womens forum since i cant see anything. and one more thing, jsut becuase my username is ben213us, it does NOT mean i am a guy. there are some people who choose "unsual" email names for various reasons.
Can you tell me what threads you are referring to? I only see one thread you've subscribed to since you've joined that you've posted on before posting in this thread. If we are having technical difficulties with the forums, we can perhaps help you if we know the full details.
Drop me a PM.
Thanks,
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
Can you tell me what threads you are referring to? I only see one thread you've subscribed to since you've joined that you've posted on before posting in this thread. If we are having technical difficulties with the forums, we can perhaps help you if we know the full details.
Drop me a PM.
Thanks,
Koffee Brown
Forum Moderator
lala
08-23-04, 11:06 AM
Picts of fit men cyclists is now in Foo, cuz not only women like to look at fit men cyclists.
So then,
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
So then,
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
nolageek
08-23-04, 12:41 PM
Whew. I was afraid I'd lost that thread. :)
Although I do agree that it's kinda crappy to exclude all men because of a few bad apples. But I completle respect that decision. I've run BBSs and forums and it's always a fine line.
But, isn't there someway that you could put women in a group, say "womens forum" and then assign that group read/write permission. Then put everyone else in another that just has read permission, or writing requires moderation?
This might be an acceptable compromise.
And for all the guys whining about how it's not fair that we dont have a "men's forum" - take a look around. What percentage of users are women? 5,10%? It seems like we have the rest of the forum. :) Let the girls have their space.
Vincent
Although I do agree that it's kinda crappy to exclude all men because of a few bad apples. But I completle respect that decision. I've run BBSs and forums and it's always a fine line.
But, isn't there someway that you could put women in a group, say "womens forum" and then assign that group read/write permission. Then put everyone else in another that just has read permission, or writing requires moderation?
This might be an acceptable compromise.
And for all the guys whining about how it's not fair that we dont have a "men's forum" - take a look around. What percentage of users are women? 5,10%? It seems like we have the rest of the forum. :) Let the girls have their space.
Vincent
cyclingshane73
08-23-04, 02:24 PM
Is it just me or is becoming a little unfriendly around here lately?
Why is it necessary to hide the forum from everyone? Cannot the moderators block those who behave inappropriately or delete them from the forum altogether? Hey sometimes I see a topic on the forum that catches my eye and I learn something. It seems rather Draconian to just punish the whole group because a few have acted like idiots. I started to frequent these forums a couple years ago because it seemed like an open and friendly enviroment that everyone could participate in. Lately though I get the feeling that this has been mis-placed and perhaps my donation was money not well spent.
Not sure what's going on here. However I think the group deserves an explaination as why this has happened. So far all of the posts from the mods in this thread have been cryptic to say the least.
I see no reason for a separate male forum either. There's enough of those on this board already.
Peace.
Why is it necessary to hide the forum from everyone? Cannot the moderators block those who behave inappropriately or delete them from the forum altogether? Hey sometimes I see a topic on the forum that catches my eye and I learn something. It seems rather Draconian to just punish the whole group because a few have acted like idiots. I started to frequent these forums a couple years ago because it seemed like an open and friendly enviroment that everyone could participate in. Lately though I get the feeling that this has been mis-placed and perhaps my donation was money not well spent.
Not sure what's going on here. However I think the group deserves an explaination as why this has happened. So far all of the posts from the mods in this thread have been cryptic to say the least.
I see no reason for a separate male forum either. There's enough of those on this board already.
Peace.
FXjohn
08-23-04, 02:28 PM
Couldn't we just lock out, or kick out the people making the bad posts?
MsVicki
08-23-04, 02:50 PM
So then,
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
Aww, gimme a break!
Actually, I don't think that the Women's Forum should be exclusive, but I DO understand why the mods are trying out the idea of a "girls only" thing. Maybe instead of just an exclusive "girls only", there might be a "be good or stay out" qualifier like there is to get into the Political Forum before anyone can enter the women's forum?
I know I would hate it if there was a "Men's Only" forum that I could not read...I like to read issues and advice and comments from everyone about everything (no, it is NOT because I am nosy! :p). So I know how some of you guys feel!
Why NOT a private MENS only forum.
Where we can discuss "private" "male-specific" issues.
?
It IS only fair right?
If not, then there is a blatant case of discrimination.
For example, "Pics of fit male cyclists" is hidden in the super secret girlie room.
But the "male-oriented" similar thread in not secret at all.
Hmmm.
Aww, gimme a break!
Actually, I don't think that the Women's Forum should be exclusive, but I DO understand why the mods are trying out the idea of a "girls only" thing. Maybe instead of just an exclusive "girls only", there might be a "be good or stay out" qualifier like there is to get into the Political Forum before anyone can enter the women's forum?
I know I would hate it if there was a "Men's Only" forum that I could not read...I like to read issues and advice and comments from everyone about everything (no, it is NOT because I am nosy! :p). So I know how some of you guys feel!
cyclingshane73
08-23-04, 02:54 PM
Maybe instead of just an exclusive "girls only", there might be a "be good or stay out" qualifier like there is to get into the Political Forum before anyone can enter the women's only forum.
Now that I can agree with.
Now that I can agree with.
OctoberBlue
08-23-04, 03:32 PM
Aww, gimme a break!
Actually, I don't think that the Women's Forum should be exclusive, but I DO understand why the mods are trying out the idea of a "girls only" thing. Maybe instead of just an exclusive "girls only", there might be a "be good or stay out" qualifier like there is to get into the Political Forum before anyone can enter the women's forum?
I know I would hate it if there was a "Men's Only" forum that I could not read...I like to read issues and advice and comments from everyone about everything (no, it is NOT because I am nosy! :p). So I know how some of you guys feel!
Agreed, MsVicki! I also like to read about a variety of issues affecting both male & female cyclists. Why should a person limit him or her self? The information may come in handy to pass on to a friend who normally wouldn't frequent internet forums. I like the 'be good or stay out' idea. That might keep the riff-raff out, but there shouldn't be a super-secret women's forum.
Just one woman's opinion... :)
Actually, I don't think that the Women's Forum should be exclusive, but I DO understand why the mods are trying out the idea of a "girls only" thing. Maybe instead of just an exclusive "girls only", there might be a "be good or stay out" qualifier like there is to get into the Political Forum before anyone can enter the women's forum?
I know I would hate it if there was a "Men's Only" forum that I could not read...I like to read issues and advice and comments from everyone about everything (no, it is NOT because I am nosy! :p). So I know how some of you guys feel!
Agreed, MsVicki! I also like to read about a variety of issues affecting both male & female cyclists. Why should a person limit him or her self? The information may come in handy to pass on to a friend who normally wouldn't frequent internet forums. I like the 'be good or stay out' idea. That might keep the riff-raff out, but there shouldn't be a super-secret women's forum.
Just one woman's opinion... :)
khuon
08-23-04, 03:51 PM
I know I would hate it if there was a "Men's Only" forum that I could not read...I like to read issues and advice and comments from everyone about everything (no, it is NOT because I am nosy! :p). So I know how some of you guys feel!
There was a men's only forum... for a day. I think it was really more of a joke than anything else. It certainly turned into one. As many people found out, there was really nothing discussed in there that couldn't have been discussed in any other forums (most likely candidates: Foo and General). As a matter of fact, I think the entirety of the threads would have been even more amusing if women had participated in the discussions too. :)
There was a men's only forum... for a day. I think it was really more of a joke than anything else. It certainly turned into one. As many people found out, there was really nothing discussed in there that couldn't have been discussed in any other forums (most likely candidates: Foo and General). As a matter of fact, I think the entirety of the threads would have been even more amusing if women had participated in the discussions too. :)
Daily Commute
08-23-04, 04:14 PM
If a few men messed up the women's forum, I think a women-only policy is a worthwhile experiment. I don't see why this is such a big deal. I hope the greatest injustice I suffer this year is exclusion from the Women's Cycling Forum.
lala
08-23-04, 04:40 PM
You _do_ know that the threads were not closed to women, right?
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There was a men's only forum... for a day. I think it was really more of a joke than anything else. It certainly turned into one. As many people found out, there was really nothing discussed in there that couldn't have been discussed in any other forums (most likely candidates: Foo and General). As a matter of fact, I think the entirety of the threads would have been even more amusing if women had participated in the discussions too. :)
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There was a men's only forum... for a day. I think it was really more of a joke than anything else. It certainly turned into one. As many people found out, there was really nothing discussed in there that couldn't have been discussed in any other forums (most likely candidates: Foo and General). As a matter of fact, I think the entirety of the threads would have been even more amusing if women had participated in the discussions too. :)
khuon
08-23-04, 04:46 PM
You _do_ know that the threads were not closed to women, right?
Actually I hadn't presumed it was closed off or not nor did I bother to check. However, that still doesn't change what I said.
Actually I hadn't presumed it was closed off or not nor did I bother to check. However, that still doesn't change what I said.
lala
08-23-04, 04:51 PM
Actually I don't know if they any woman did not have access, but I did notice that no self proclaimed woman commented in the threads, eh?
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Actually I hadn't presumed it was closed off or not nor did I bother to check. However, that still doesn't change what I said.
.
Actually I hadn't presumed it was closed off or not nor did I bother to check. However, that still doesn't change what I said.
khuon
08-23-04, 05:06 PM
Actually I don't know if they any woman did not have access, but I did notice that no self proclaimed woman commented in the threads, eh?
An observation yes... but it still doesn't change the impact of my statement.
An observation yes... but it still doesn't change the impact of my statement.
lala
08-23-04, 05:14 PM
So true, khoun. Sorry, didn't mean to imply by omisson that your statement lacked impact.
An observation yes... but it still doesn't change the impact of my statement.
An observation yes... but it still doesn't change the impact of my statement.
khuon
08-23-04, 05:36 PM
So true, khoun. Sorry, didn't mean to imply by omisson that your statement lacked impact.
I guess my point was that participation from both sides would have been welcome and in my eyes would have produced a far better thread. What you seem to be pointing out is that no women actually seemed to participate. I think that non-participation and need-for-participation are not necessarily diametrically opposing concepts. As a matter of fact, I think they're complimentary. I also think that the creation of the Men's Only forum somewhat illustrated that segregating participation based on gender really didn't produce anything of higher value/quality and that there was some degradation (or at least unfulfilled potential) because of the lack of greater participation. I don't know if this was Joe's or DnvrFox's (I think he originally jokingly proposed it) intent but it was an interesting social experiment. I will have to say one thing though. If the act of closing off the women's forum will as a result spark more interesting debates such as this then maybe I will have to change my mind and proclaim it as a good thing afterall. :)
I guess my point was that participation from both sides would have been welcome and in my eyes would have produced a far better thread. What you seem to be pointing out is that no women actually seemed to participate. I think that non-participation and need-for-participation are not necessarily diametrically opposing concepts. As a matter of fact, I think they're complimentary. I also think that the creation of the Men's Only forum somewhat illustrated that segregating participation based on gender really didn't produce anything of higher value/quality and that there was some degradation (or at least unfulfilled potential) because of the lack of greater participation. I don't know if this was Joe's or DnvrFox's (I think he originally jokingly proposed it) intent but it was an interesting social experiment. I will have to say one thing though. If the act of closing off the women's forum will as a result spark more interesting debates such as this then maybe I will have to change my mind and proclaim it as a good thing afterall. :)
DnvrFox
08-23-04, 05:48 PM
DnvrFox's (I think he originally jokingly proposed it)
I didn't propose it.
I set up a poll, where, interestingly, the men's forum lost by a large negative vote.
Evidently, based upon my setting up the poll, Joe went ahead and set up the forum for a short period.
I set it up in a joking sort of fashion, because, at the time, I considered it a non-issue. I truly had no clue what "men" would talk about secretly - they are generally very task and subject oriented, and don't get much into personal feelings and all of that. Evidently more were concerned than I realized, and as I thought about it more, I, also, felt that any partitioning of the forum is detrimental in the long run.
As WorldIRC (moderator) said "We can do whatever we want."
It would have been nice to discuss this a bit prior to the implementation of the women's forum. But, then, this forum is not a democracy! Like it or lump it!
I didn't propose it.
I set up a poll, where, interestingly, the men's forum lost by a large negative vote.
Evidently, based upon my setting up the poll, Joe went ahead and set up the forum for a short period.
I set it up in a joking sort of fashion, because, at the time, I considered it a non-issue. I truly had no clue what "men" would talk about secretly - they are generally very task and subject oriented, and don't get much into personal feelings and all of that. Evidently more were concerned than I realized, and as I thought about it more, I, also, felt that any partitioning of the forum is detrimental in the long run.
As WorldIRC (moderator) said "We can do whatever we want."
It would have been nice to discuss this a bit prior to the implementation of the women's forum. But, then, this forum is not a democracy! Like it or lump it!
scott L R
08-23-04, 08:16 PM
I have a 6 year old daughter, she enjoys riding her trail-a-bike with me, up to 40 miles at a time, I have gotten usefull information from the womens cycling forum. I also understand some guys are pigs. As in most cases, a few idiots make everyone look bad.
larue
08-23-04, 10:52 PM
I just joined and I expect my wife to join as well. How can she go about gaining access to the "women's" forum? I don't remember any questions about gender when signing up.
Thanks.
Thanks.
erraticrider
08-24-04, 06:22 AM
..... I truly had no clue what "men" would talk about secretly - they are generally very task and subject oriented, and don't get much into personal feelings and all of that. ...
:D :D Well, I think you are correct. As far as I can remember the threads were not asking how boys feel about the subject (i.e. Not "How do you feel about trimming the package?") :D :D
One thing that is clear to me is that equality requires men to not try to control every issue or decision. Joe and the other male mods appear to be acting consistent with this principle by defering to the female mods on how the women's forum is structured (I would also assume that all of the mods from time-to-time defer to the judgment of the other mods on a wide variety of issues, without explicit regard for the gender of the mod who is given decisionmaking power). For my part, I explained the value to me of the women's forum and Koffee responded that the value of fostering confidential communication is, in her judgment, more important. I do not feel offended by that decision (I wish you the best of fun in there).
By the way, this is precisely what was so abusive about galen's behavior -- he seemed to feel offended by Koffee's gentle reprimand and he refused to defer to her decision on the subject (he could not let go of his belief that he had a right to control the issue).
:D :D Well, I think you are correct. As far as I can remember the threads were not asking how boys feel about the subject (i.e. Not "How do you feel about trimming the package?") :D :D
One thing that is clear to me is that equality requires men to not try to control every issue or decision. Joe and the other male mods appear to be acting consistent with this principle by defering to the female mods on how the women's forum is structured (I would also assume that all of the mods from time-to-time defer to the judgment of the other mods on a wide variety of issues, without explicit regard for the gender of the mod who is given decisionmaking power). For my part, I explained the value to me of the women's forum and Koffee responded that the value of fostering confidential communication is, in her judgment, more important. I do not feel offended by that decision (I wish you the best of fun in there).
By the way, this is precisely what was so abusive about galen's behavior -- he seemed to feel offended by Koffee's gentle reprimand and he refused to defer to her decision on the subject (he could not let go of his belief that he had a right to control the issue).
Chris L
08-24-04, 07:44 AM
I just joined and I expect my wife to join as well. How can she go about gaining access to the "women's" forum? I don't remember any questions about gender when signing up.
Thanks.
What she will need to do is register her own account, then send a private message to Koffee Brown asking for access to that forum.
Thanks.
What she will need to do is register her own account, then send a private message to Koffee Brown asking for access to that forum.
khuon
08-24-04, 11:42 AM
ok i am logged in but i cant access the forum. i can t even change my email notifications, so i get notifications of new threads which i cannot read, and i cant stop them email notifications..
In the network engineering world, when a router advertises reachability for a network it no longer has a connection to actually forward traffic towards, it's known as blackholing. This is in a sense the same thing that's happening here. You can of course either go through your subscription list and unsubscribe from each of the threads you were subscribed to in the Women's Cycling forum and that should stop the email notifications or wait till you see a notification of a new post and play whack-a-subscription as they arise. However, it would be nice if the software somehow did this for you automatically. That is, it should realise that you no longer have access to those the forums in which those threads reside and automagically unsubscribe you (perhaps with an initial warning telling you it's doing that) or give you the option of remaining subscribed but letting you know of the consequences.
In the network engineering world, when a router advertises reachability for a network it no longer has a connection to actually forward traffic towards, it's known as blackholing. This is in a sense the same thing that's happening here. You can of course either go through your subscription list and unsubscribe from each of the threads you were subscribed to in the Women's Cycling forum and that should stop the email notifications or wait till you see a notification of a new post and play whack-a-subscription as they arise. However, it would be nice if the software somehow did this for you automatically. That is, it should realise that you no longer have access to those the forums in which those threads reside and automagically unsubscribe you (perhaps with an initial warning telling you it's doing that) or give you the option of remaining subscribed but letting you know of the consequences.
Joe Gardner
08-24-04, 11:44 AM
As far as I know, the software does this automatically; I will look into it after work.
khuon
08-24-04, 11:50 AM
As far as I know, the software does this automatically; I will look into it after work.
Hmmm... okay. Thanks. Maybe that feature isn't turned on? I just went and cleared a bunch of threads I was subscribed to in that forum because I was getting notifications (not by email since I turned email notification off by default) in my User Control Panel.
Hmmm... okay. Thanks. Maybe that feature isn't turned on? I just went and cleared a bunch of threads I was subscribed to in that forum because I was getting notifications (not by email since I turned email notification off by default) in my User Control Panel.
Guest
08-24-04, 05:24 PM
I've checked that feature. For some reason, the person thinks they are getting notifications of threads which I see they do not subscribe to in the Women's cycling forum. They are getting notifications for THIS thread, thinking it's in the Women's cycling forum. I think someone is getting confused by thinking this thread is actually in the Women's cycling forum when it isn't, then everytime someone responds, he gets a notification and gets upset.
Currently, I don't see a way to unsubscribe from a thread- Joe will have to look into adding some kind of way to unsubscribe from threads. I go through this myself everytime I go on my long vacations- the notifications continue to roll in and I ended up asking Joe to divert all my emails to another location so my own email account wouldn't get overloaded from the threads I've subscribed to.
Koffee
Currently, I don't see a way to unsubscribe from a thread- Joe will have to look into adding some kind of way to unsubscribe from threads. I go through this myself everytime I go on my long vacations- the notifications continue to roll in and I ended up asking Joe to divert all my emails to another location so my own email account wouldn't get overloaded from the threads I've subscribed to.
Koffee