Hybrid Bicycles - hybrid vs. road bike advice sought

Hi everyone,

I have been out of riding for several years and I want to start up again once the weather becomes a little more agreeable (we're supposed to get 3-6 inches of snow tonight). I plan on doing most of my riding on pavement and packed dirt roads, mainly for the purpose of getting in better shape (in addition to enjoying the activity).

So far I have visited 3 or 4 LBS's and have received a lot of conflicting advice. One shop directed me towards a GF Kaitai, another towards the Trek 7 series, and another told me to go with an entry level road bike (despite my concerns over being hunched over - they said that can be dealt with with proper sizing). I have been leaning towards a leftover 08 Trek 7.5. However I have seen a lot of them being sold used because the owners wanted to get a more conventional road bike (w/drop bars etc...). I'm a little worried that I may get a hybrid and then after riding it for a bit, I would want to get a road bike. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this. I am not in a hurry to by anything right now as I have an old, un-suspended Trek 930 to ride around on.

Thanks!

Its a matter of personal preference - unfortunately, its not always possible to determine what you want before you buy.

Yes, the hunched over-ness of a typical road bike can be solved by fitting (finding the right stem is where its at). You can also create a pretty hunched over stance on a flat bar hybrid if you wanted. My advice is to ride as many bikes of different varieties as your bike store will let you.

Plus if you buy one and decide its not right for you, there's nothing wrong with buying another bike. I myself own three...

I went with a hybrid at first - my riding is on the road for commuting. I ended up buying a road bike and putting drops on my hybrid. If I were to do it again I would get a cyclocross with discs. It is all down to preference. I like the fit of a road bike, and don't like being as upright as you are with flat bars, also I like the various hand positions drops offer.

Best bet is to test ride, then test ride again!

I went with a hybrid at first - my riding is on the road for commuting. I ended up buying a road bike and putting drops on my hybrid. If I were to do it again I would get a cyclocross with discs. It is all down to preference.

+1 on the cross. I use my Kona Jake the Snake for everything from riding in 38mm studded tires on snow and ice in -25 C winter to putting 23mm road tires on it and going for long rides in the summer. My wife has a Trek 7.5 and she is not much less hunched over than I would be on the brake hoods but I have two more hand positions to choose from.

Having never ridden disk brakes I'm not sure what advantage there would be on the road except less brake squeel.

If you're a wet weather rider get discs... they're great for stopping on a dime and avoid that grinding sound of dirty rims.

Yeah I love my disc brakes. Came in useful when an idiot woman pulled out in front of me in the wet - stopped as they would in the dry :)

More hand positions? Look into "Trekking-Bars.*" A 'hybrid' is not a "road-bike." It is not a "mountain-bike." It's both in many ways - and different in many ways. And it's an artist's easel. You can craft it into what you think it should be.

If you want a road-bike - get one. Screaming down hills over rocks at 30mph - get a mountain-bike. Want something that can go fast on pavement, and yet handle miles of dirt & gravel - a hybrid is a very good option. A city commuter? This too. A hauler? Sure! Touring? Yup!

Find what suits you.


* Also called 'Butterfly-Bars.'

Plus if you buy one and decide its not right for you, there's nothing wrong with buying another bike. I myself own three...[/QUOTE]


I forgot to mention that I am married to a non-rider. Although I agree with you in principle re: having a few bikes in the garage, that's not going to fly too well in the short term ;-)

Plus if you buy one and decide its not right for you, there's nothing wrong with buying another bike. I myself own three...


I forgot to mention that I am married to a non-rider. Although I agree with you in principle re: having a few bikes in the garage, that's not going to fly too well in the short term ;-)[/QUOTE]

I have 2 and am working on finding a 3rd and possibly a fourth! My girlfriend is a non-rider but she doesn't mind too much, as long as I don't spend all my money!

Two years ago, I got interested in riding again and went out and purchased a Giant Hybrid. Rode it for a season and found that I was living in an area that had a lot of great trails in the woods and traded for a mountain bike. Moved again and found that I was now riding in an area that was urban and didnt have a lot of trails (without driving). Went out and bought a good road bike, rode that for the summer and into the winter. After realizing that I just wasnt comfortable in traffic with the drop bars, bought a cheap flat bar commuter. After two weeks of commuting in real winter weather, decided that I couldnt live with drop bars (good for fun rides, not for traffic (personal opinion) and had my calipers freeze once and just not able to brake a number of times. Got rid of the road bike and the cheap commuter and am now trying to put together a bike for next years commuting while back to the mountain bike. My advice to you is to just try a number out and get out there. You will evolve not only your own riding habits but you will also decide what you want in a bike...dont spend too much on the initial bike and be ready to find out that you need another bike (or two).

The position on a road bike isn't hunched over. It looks a bit weird I'll admit :), but it lets you use more of your leg muscles to drive the bike... if your body is in biking shape. If you're not in great shape, you won't have enough abdominal strength to get much use out of a road bike's position. (speaking from experience there. I ride a hybrid, but if I need to really put out power, bending at the waist into a more roadie position lets me do it. And I *can't* do it if my abdominal muscles are weak, because they get tired and can't hold the position and let me breathe at the same time)

Your old Trek would be sold as a hybrid these days, and should have space for fenders and a rack so you can use it for errands. I'd just ride the hell out of it, and upgrade when you find areas where it could fit better.

Also see this string http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?628220-Why-so-much-Trek-love-around-here

It depends on what shape your body is in, how much riding you do, where you ride the most, etc. I started out with an old 18 speed, rigid, non-suspended mountian bike for my first couple of long tours after trying a road bike and not feeling comfortable and worrying about it's light frame for carrying a lot of heavy gear.. I up-graded the shifting parts, axles, and sprockets in order to handle the extra weight, and to comfortably maintain higher speeds, similiar to a road bike. I was at an disadvantage because of my more upright position when riding with others on road bikes, but I was more comfortable, and could enjoy the scenery etc. better. With this set-up, I actually was the first mountian bike rider across the finish line in a 75 km. 1700 person ride, with only 7 road bikers ahead of me. From this bike, I up-graded and was fitted to a good quality hybrid. The bike is far lighter but more than strong enough for heavy-duty touring and riding on dirt and gravel roads, has many more gears to get the most out of efficiently climbing long grades, and I still can comfortably sightsee as I tour. There are many handlebars of every design, including dropbars, that you can customize your hybrid with to suit your needs. With this bike, I have many thousands of touring miles under my belt, and doubt I will be lured into, or need to buy another expensive ride.

If you´re in doubt as to type of riding the hybrid is the way to go. But it wont beat the feeling of a roadie when doing some serious mileage and speed on...roads. I suppose you should go with both.

My advice to you is to just try a number out and get out there. You will evolve not only your own riding habits but you will also decide what you want in a bike...dont spend too much on the initial bike and be ready to find out that you need another bike (or two).

+1

If you can only have one bike due to space or financial constraints, it may take a while to figure out what type you need. I started out with a comfort bike, which got me back into riding and fitness. After a few months, I bought a road bike for my longer solo rides-and used the comfort bike when riding with my significant other. Fast forward a year later, when I decided that a hybrid would fill that slot more efficiently. At that point I sold the comfort bike to a co-worker. It's just what she needs for the infrequent riding she does. Unless she gets hooked, that is. :)

Not that I'm "all set" yet; I'm now toying with the idea of a touring bike for still another niche in my cycling hobby. If I had to choose one bike it would be difficult, as the ones I have fulfill different needs with regard to terrain and purpose. I'm sure it can be done...but it might take some time and experimentation.

Last season, I had some of the same questions as the OP. I am 45 years old. I was never really into biking before last summer. In July, I decided that I would try some biking to replace jogging I use to do for cardio exercise. I bought a Trek FX 7.2. My original intent with the biking was to take several 5-10 mile rides per week. Well, I enjoyed biking and the FX a lot more than I would thought. Between mid-July and October, I rode about 1,500 miles on my FX. My rides quickly evolved from 10 miles to 30 to 60 or more. The FX served me well. I decided this season, I would get a drop-bar road bike. I bought a Trek Pilot a couple of weeks ago and have ridden it only a 100 miles or so (the weather is still not very good here yet). The Pilot is certainly a lot faster than the FX, especially for climbing. I am still getting use to the geometry of the Pilot and am trying to hold my opinion about that until I can ride it more regularly. I remember the FX being more comfortable for the start. I don't remember my body going through the "break-in" on the FX that I seem to be going through on the Pilot. All that said, I do think that once I get use to the Pilot, it will be my ride of choice.

I live in a small city in Northern Vermont. I have a 3-speed I rebuilt. I have a vintage racer I bought the frame from via Sheldon Brown. And I have a hybrid Trek 7.5 FX that I took down to the frame and customized/tricked to it's top-of-the-line.

Between the three - they have no arguments: If I want to leave some wanna-be on a carbon-framed "get the dustpan?" My vintage PUCH makes short work. I want to go shopping about town and area? 3-speed is ready and waiting. Taking photos in the trails and hills and 'almost' wherever? Out flies the Hybrid.

All are great! Have fun!

Why limit yourself to 1 bike???

gsurko,
That's my logic exactlly.
Today I went out on my Tricross. 4 miles out I flatted ( Did not bring my spare and pump, stupidly). Quickly got a ride from a nice older dude in a pickup (something I' swore I'd never do), was home in 10 minutes and off on my hybrid for another 20 miles. It all worked out because I have more than one bike. Thursday I'm going to make my maiden voyage on my cherry new SS Casseroll.
Moral of the story, Not only does it make you more veristile to own more than one, but it can save you loads of hassle.
Kevin

Some hybrids are fairly road biased and might be what you should consider. I'm not familiar with the Trek models that have been mentioned. I did just buy a Fuji Absolute 1.0 that is a little hard to differentiate from a road bike in many aspects. It has a flat handlebar, lots of fender/rack eyelets, and a gearing that is a little more biased towards trail use than a road bike would have so I guess it is a hybrid, as Fuji claims. Fuji isn't shy, they call it the ultimate hybrid! On the other hand it has the tasty entry level Shimano 105 road transmission and fairly skinny 28 mm tires and the frame does not look all that different when overlaid on some of Fuji's road bikes. Compared to the Dahon folder that I started bike/train commuting with last summer after many years of not cycling the Fuji is a rocket and all last summer I thought the Dahon was pretty quick when its Marathon Racers were pumped up to 85 psi! I don't know if 28 mm tires are wide enough for your packed dirt trails but you could probably use tires that are still narrow enough to work well on the road too on a road biased hybrid. Just to add a little more variety to the all Trek, all the time (just kidding) discussion here you might also consider the Marin Lombard. It even has drop handlebars, how much more roadie do you need to be?

Ken

gsurko,
That's my logic exactlly.
Today I went out on my Tricross. 4 miles out I flatted ( Did not bring my spare and pump, stupidly). Quickly got a ride from a nice older dude in a pickup (something I' swore I'd never do), was home in 10 minutes and off on my hybrid for another 20 miles. It all worked out because I have more than one bike. Thursday I'm going to make my maiden voyage on my cherry new SS Casseroll.
Moral of the story, Not only does it make you more veristile to own more than one, but it can save you loads of hassle.
Kevin

Have done this before. Having more than one bike, to me, is a necessity if it is your main / only form of transport.

I wanted to thank everyone for all the great suggestions! The weather is finally turning for the better and I will be bombing around on my old Trek 930 until I decide what to get next. I've been visiting a lot of LBS's and will start test riding soon. In addition to the bikes already mentioned (and that Marin certainly looks awesome!), does anyone have experience with Scott bikes? The closest LBS sells them in addition to Eastern Mtn Sports (here in NH, there is an EMS about every 25 miles).

Thanks again!

I started out with a Trek 7100 hybrid. After I got more serious I started looking at the Trek FX. However, my friends convinced me to get a road bike. I loved the speed and kept it for about a year - but, I have mild kyphosis and I got serious pain in the back of my neck from the riding posture. I just bought a Trek 7.7 FX and I'm selling my road bike.

Hi everyone,

I have been out of riding for several years and I want to start up again once the weather becomes a little more agreeable (we're supposed to get 3-6 inches of snow tonight). I plan on doing most of my riding on pavement and packed dirt roads, mainly for the purpose of getting in better shape (in addition to enjoying the activity).

So far I have visited 3 or 4 LBS's and have received a lot of conflicting advice. One shop directed me towards a GF Kaitai, another towards the Trek 7 series, and another told me to go with an entry level road bike (despite my concerns over being hunched over - they said that can be dealt with with proper sizing). I have been leaning towards a leftover 08 Trek 7.5. However I have seen a lot of them being sold used because the owners wanted to get a more conventional road bike (w/drop bars etc...). I'm a little worried that I may get a hybrid and then after riding it for a bit, I would want to get a road bike. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this. I am not in a hurry to by anything right now as I have an old, un-suspended Trek 930 to ride around on.

Thanks!

I decided to get a hybrid figuring I would not be doing a lot of long rides, and that it would be better for banging off curbs, around town, and such. I got a great deal on Kona Dew Deluxe and pretty dang happy with it. It's plenty fast and I love the disc brakes and overall toughness. The riding position is pretty much equivalent to having your hands on the cross bar of a road bike.

I live in an area where there is pretty big spandex/road crowd, and 98% of the time they are on the cross bar. Considering the leisurly pace and pot bellies on most of them it all looks like a lot posing IMO. I'm sure I'll get a road bike eventually, and mtn bike, too. I don't see one bike filling all your needs.

I say get an entry-level road bike and give drop-bars a try. If you decide that you really don't like drop bars, you can throw a flat bar on there and switch the brake levers and shifters for about $50. Then sell sell the lightly used brifters and drop bar to cover the switch.

I personally started with a hybrid, rode that for a few months before I realized I truly wanted a road bike and then put drop bars on it. This was kind of costly and I would have been better off in the first place getting a true road bike (but I was slightly intimidated at the prospect of jumping straight in to "road biking"). I have since moved on from that bike to a "true road bike". The converted hybrid never quite satisfied my needs.

It should be pointed out that a hybrid with drop bars is NOT the same as a road bike. The geometry is completely different. The hybrid has a longer wheel base, higher bottom bracket and different tube angles. While I sure had fun with the converted hybrid (and still use it for bad weather and communting), the road bike has a completely different attitude. A road bike is more stable in turns and at speed.

Another thing I want to stress is to not be intimidated by a road bike and the position it puts you in. If you have no experience in that position it will be intimidating, uncomfortable and strange at first, but trust me, your body will acclimate to the position over time. There are of course road bikes with relaxed geometries, but they still will have a different feel than a hybrid. And some road frames have all the mounts for racks and such (so versatility is still an option). If you want space for nice thick tires consider a cyclocross bike.

A road bike may the not be the answer for you, however, do not discount it for the wrong reasons. Such as feeling uncomfortable in the position when you first test ride, or the fact that intro road bikes tend to cost more than low to mid level hybrids. If you decide a hybrid isn't for you then you will be spending more money anyway.

I picked a Hybrid, Trek 7.5 FX, because of what the hybrid offered over a road bike. It offers me the ability to use a rear rack and tires in the 32-35 range. The road bikes that I looked at did not have these options. I might possibly put a trekking bar on the new bike, but will give it a month or so before I decide. With a trekking bar, you get quite a few different hand positions, which will help with long rides.

I will probably buy a road bike in the future and use it on long rides where I really want to improve my times or want to start racing. I don't race now, just ride for fun and fitness. The trek is faster than I thought it was going to be, so perfomance-wise it impresses me.

Really OP, it depends on what features you value more than others, that will choose the bike for you. Do you ever see yourself sticking a rack on the bike, or putting fatter tires on so you can go on dirt trails or are you purely looking at a bike for road riding? I never found riding in the drops of my Jamis Aurora to be all that difficult and actually like the different hand positions drop bars add to a bike, so the flat handlebar is not what sold me on a hybrid.

Big Heineken, I went the other direction. I got a 29" mtb (an 09 Jamis Durango 29). After riding my old trek around, I found that I would be doing a little more off-roading than I originally thought. It actually goes ok for short distances on the road too. I want to thank everyone for giving their 2 cents on this thread. As some of the posters suggested, I may eventually get a more road oriented bike too.... But that's a post for another day

If you want to be a 1 bike person, then I suggest you get a touring or cx bike. Best of both worlds. You can get on the drops for speed and yet still able to use rear racks and largish tires.

Big Heineken, I went the other direction. I got a 29" mtb (an 09 Jamis Durango 29). After riding my old trek around, I found that I would be doing a little more off-roading than I originally thought. It actually goes ok for short distances on the road too. I want to thank everyone for giving their 2 cents on this thread. As some of the posters suggested, I may eventually get a more road oriented bike too.... But that's a post for another day

Now that you've got a new mtb you might consider putting some road tires and maybe a rack on your Trek and use it for road riding. I did that with my first mtb, a Bridgestone MB2 and it worked great......................even rode it in the first week long Cycle Oregon bike tour I did back in 1094.

Jim

Good suggestion Jim. I'll probably do that eventually.

Now that you've got a new mtb you might consider putting some road tires and maybe a rack on your Trek and use it for road riding. I did that with my first mtb, a Bridgestone MB2 and it worked great......................even rode it in the first week long Cycle Oregon bike tour I did back in 1094.

Jim

I call BS. Bicycles as we know it didn't really come into existence until the late 19th century. ;)

If you like drop bars or you like flat bars, select.

get both! :-)

I call BS. Bicycles as we know it didn't really come into existence until the late 19th century. ;)

Oh know......................you're wrong. I invented the bike back then............................I just couldn't get the patent on it! :innocent: Oh wait! Maybe it was the internet I invented. :rolleyes:

Jim

If you can have only one bike get a cyclecross bike outfitted with 28 to 32mm smooth(er) center tires. Fast on road, fast on dirt. Drop bar position is similar to a road machine. A cross bike is generally a little more relaxed than a full out road bike but some can be very aggressive or very tourish but all are way faster than a mtb on the road and will let you get into a proper tuck on the drops, something a flat bar hybrid cannot.

I don't understand why people think they need to sit upright, you are supposed to be leaned over on a real bicycle to reduce wind, to better utilize your full body and to provide better balance and to distribute the weight of your body to your hands/arms, legs/rear.

My typical cruising speeds compared, not scientific, just an observation of my typical speeds on smooth, level pavement;

My Rcokhopper with mtb tires -- 10-12 MPH
My Stumpjumper fitted with Armadillo 1.5 inch multi purpose tires --12-14 MPH
My Surly Cross Check with 32mm smooth center tires -- 15-17 MPH
My steel Pinerello with Conti 23mm GP4000 tires -- 16-19 MPH

My typical cruising speed on sand/gravel road:

My Rockhopper with mtb tires as above -- 8-12 MPH
My Stumpjumper as above -- 8-12 MPH
My Surly Cross Check as above -- 12-15 MPH
My Pinarello as above -- 0 MPH (no go)

YRMV considerably

Edit to add this, before y'all jump and scream, I am not saying my power output is the same effort etc, so, why are the Pinarello and the CC faster, because I am leaned over on the drops, because I am more comfortable than sitting bolt upright, because I have better aerodynamics, because I can more effectively use my muscles, because they have SPD peddles and the others are caged or none, because they inspire confidence at speed etc.

What works for your body, does not necessarily work for someone else. Could be conditioning, age, physical limitations, need to view while upright, etc.

I would have personally gone for a touring bike!
The most versatile do it all models in my opinion... Of course not to go down a steep rocky forest, or win an international race: but for anything else in between :)

just my 0.02

I bought a road bike in 2006 (Specialized Allez Triple) and rode it for almost 2 years before I just got sick of being so bent over that I had to look UP to see where I was going. I sold it in 2008, thinking I would just use my spare wheelset on my MTB and get my exercise that way...

Then last Sept (2009) I decided that since I hardly rode my bike on the road, I needed a skinny tire bike once again so that I could enjoy my favorite sport. I ended up picking up a Specialized Sirrus (base model) and I LOVE the bike :) It is about 3mph slower than the Allez, but I see more, I am more upright so my neck doesn't hurt, and I feel it handles better than the Allez, though I attribute that to the drop bars, I have had flat bars all my life. I also feel safer because I KNOW the v-brakes on the Sirrus will stop me on a dime...those road calipers gave me worries I would end up wrecking someday because they were terrible at stopping.

It all boils down to personal preference. I might own a drop bar bike again, but not likely. My Sirrus has become a base for me to build on. I miss the speed of my Allez, but I am so much more comfortable on my bike now that I don't want to go back :) Cycling is supposed to be fun, comfort = fun!

I have both a road bike and a Trek FX 7.2. Truthfully I enjoy the Trek FX more and I don't consider it to be a true upright positon like most hybrid. True it's not as agressive a stance as a road bike, but it suits me just fine and I plan to add Ergon grips which will allow me to adjust the ends bars so I have a second riding position... works for me.

after being on these forums for just a few weeks, i sense already a strong bit of drop bar stance elitism. while i am sure some folks that fall in this camp actually go out and bang out crazy fast and long rides and practice what they preach, i suspect a hell of a lot of them are just spandex fanboys or posers as well.

a lot of people ask for urban/around town bikes for some trail riding, and maybe touring as well and it almost always goes to cyclocross and hybrids rarely get mentioned for example. people dismiss any form of upright stance as amateurish, etc...

also there are a variety of hybrids from when i shopped around. some are a very relaxed flat bar stance, while others have more aggressive geometry as well. so there is a variety. and you can do things like flip stems, get bar ends or another handlebar to adjust this also.

I truly believe that on long trips, the drop bar is much more comfortable as it allows you different hand positions compared to a flat bar model.
But on the other hand, the flat bar will give you more leverage for maneuvering and it improves your stability and handling: the reason in fact why you virtually never see mountain bikes released with a drop bar :)

It is just a matter of preferences in the end; obviously when one ask for advice on such forums, people will tend to recommend what works or has worked best for them.
We get to realize that indeed drop bars are what most regular and intensive bikers use...

after being on these forums for just a few weeks, i sense already a strong bit of drop bar stance elitism. while i am sure some folks that fall in this camp actually go out and bang out crazy fast and long rides and practice what they preach, i suspect a hell of a lot of them are just spandex fanboys or posers as well.

a lot of people ask for urban/around town bikes for some trail riding, and maybe touring as well and it almost always goes to cyclocross and hybrids rarely get mentioned for example. people dismiss any form of upright stance as amateurish, etc...

also there are a variety of hybrids from when i shopped around. some are a very relaxed flat bar stance, while others have more aggressive geometry as well. so there is a variety. and you can do things like flip stems, get bar ends or another handlebar to adjust this also.

Count me in as one who has flipped his stem on his hybird and will be adding bar ends soon. You just cannot beat extra hand positions and there certainly is an advantage to being able to get more aerodynamic (its also a bit more comfortable for me). I have a Jamis Aurora too which I ride on the hoods 85% of the time, 10% on the top of the bar and sometimes get into the drops, but they are too low to be comfortable after 10 miles or so. What bar really is just personal preference, but I believe the advantages of a hybrid outweigh the disadvantages of not having the drop bar. I really like the v brakes, ability to add a rear rack, and fatter tires now, but once I get in better shape and start putting quite a few miles on each ride, the drop bars look like a better solution than a flat bar.

after being on these forums for just a few weeks, i sense already a strong bit of drop bar stance elitism. while i am sure some folks that fall in this camp actually go out and bang out crazy fast and long rides and practice what they preach, i suspect a hell of a lot of them are just spandex fanboys or posers as well.

a lot of people ask for urban/around town bikes for some trail riding, and maybe touring as well and it almost always goes to cyclocross and hybrids rarely get mentioned for example. people dismiss any form of upright stance as amateurish, etc...

also there are a variety of hybrids from when i shopped around. some are a very relaxed flat bar stance, while others have more aggressive geometry as well. so there is a variety. and you can do things like flip stems, get bar ends or another handlebar to adjust this also.

it is not elitism to point out facts, drop bars have more hand positions and sitting up right for many of us is extremely painful on both our posteriors but also lower back. Despite what some think, a "road bike" position is not uncomfortable as long as it is not taken to an extreme and of course that goes both ways, an upright bike does not have to hold the rider at a 90 degree straight up position, again, that is extreme.

While this may not hold true for everyone
it is not elitism to point out facts, drop bars have more hand positions and sitting up right for many of us is extremely painful on both our posteriors but also lower back. Despite what some think, a "road bike" position is not uncomfortable as long as it is not taken to an extreme and of course that goes both ways, an upright bike does not have to hold the rider at a 90 degree straight up position, again, that is extreme. You may also realize that drop bars are not comfortable for all people, whether for physical limitations/problems, or other reasons. And, some just like the much better visibility that the upright posture affords them (whether totally upright, or slanted forward at any number of angles.

There, fixed that for ya....... LOL

Try a fast flat bar, say a TREK 7.7FX, (700x28's) add some Ergon grips (GC3's) for multiple hand positions and you will probably be within 2-3 mph avg speed and able to handle 75-80 % distance vs. a road bike.

I have this combo and find it very comfortable and plenty fast. The Ergon grips give me 3 "stable" hand positions and I can tuck down out of the wind as if I was riding on the drops of a road bike and pick up some glute power to boot.

does anyone have experience with Scott bikes?


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Oh! Too late!

I guess he already did his choice and bought the model he wants :)
If not, I could probably help on the Scott thing too...

If the world is going to end on 21 December 2012, does that mean I won't be able to retire in 2013?



cyber hawke
yes, you will be able to retire. The more important question is will it be the good retirement or the bad retirement. I hope you're prepared for the good retirement.

Joe

Personally I like flat bars and a more upright position for city riding or using the bike for shopping errands. For riding fast, touring, or other long distance riding then drops and a more stretched out position are hands down my choice.