Road Cycling - Ciocc

I am considering buying a new frame, and I would like to go Italian. I have seen a a few Ciocc frames on the net and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this brand. I have not seen any in the bike shops here in Portland.

The first "real" road bike I owned was Ciocc and they are exceptional bikes. The geometry is on the "race" side so be prepared for a bike that reacts quickly. Mine was steel and was lively, climbed, and sprinted well and decended like it was a slot car.

Top end, low volume Italian hand-made frames. I think it's pronounced something like
"coach".

Great bikes.

I always thought it was "see-oach"

Anyway I rode one in the 80's and was a nice bike.

"choach"

Italian Steel

http://www.mrstacey.com/tdc2k4/film/0031_std.jpg

http://www.mrstacey.com/tdc2k4/stair_master/28image_std.jpg

It's actually pronounced cheeoch with both ch sounds being hard as in cheese.

just in case you don't have the site:
http://www.ciocc.it/English%20Ciocc_%20Index.htm

These places list weights of most of the Cioccs:
http://www.wrenchscience.com/WS1/Ciocc/Bikes.html
http://www.bullteksports.com/

It sounds like the brand has some loyalists, but has anyone bought one recently? I'm particually interested in the 7005 or 7003. It seems like $1200-1600 is not bad if the quality is there.

Is it an aluminum or steel CIOCC? Right now, the market is totally flooded with aluminum frames with carbon stays.

G'day,

a mate has one which he pronounces 'Chook', which most Aussies will find just slightly hilarious.....here, chook, chook, chook.........we've given him that much grief about it he's looking to flog it....2nd hand chook anyone?........

cheers,

Hitchy

G'day,

a mate has one which he pronounces 'Chook', which most Aussies will find just slightly hilarious.....here, chook, chook, chook.........we've given him that much grief about it he's looking to flog it....2nd hand chook anyone?........

cheers,

Hitchy

Imagine if Brett "Chicken" Dennis rode one.....

G'day,

a mate has one which he pronounces 'Chook', which most Aussies will find just slightly hilarious.....here, chook, chook, chook.........we've given him that much grief about it he's looking to flog it....2nd hand chook anyone?........

cheers,

Hitchy

Ross Stevenson also claims that Aussies are the only people on the planet to use the word, "chook", so
this guy probably won't know what we mean :)

Ross Stevenson also claims that Aussies are the only people on the planet to use the word, "chook", so
this guy probably won't know what we mean :)

yeah...uh....what's it mean?

Italian Steel

http://www.mrstacey.com/tdc2k4/stair_master/28image_std.jpg

why are you wearing a lazer tag vest?

I am considering buying a new frame, and I would like to go Italian. I have seen a a few Ciocc frames on the net and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this brand. I have not seen any in the bike shops here in Portland.

They have a very good reputation, although I don't know anyone with a newish one.
I'm sure if you bought one it would be as good as most of the other traditional Italian brands.

I know that's not what you're asking, but nobody's given you anything, so........ :)

I just did a "Search The Forums" (at the top of the page) for "Ciocc", and got 21 pages of hits, so give it a go :)

What is "chook?" Is it an uniquely Aussie thing, like vegamite? The Ciocc 7003 and 7005 are both Aluminum with carbon stays. I ride steel right now, but it doesn't seem like there are many new steel frames being produced by the Italians (or anyone else), at least not ones that are racy.

What is "chook?" Is it an uniquely Aussie thing, like vegamite? The Ciocc 7003 and 7005 are both Aluminum with carbon stays. I ride steel right now, but it doesn't seem like there are many new steel frames being produced by the Italians (or anyone else), at least not ones that are racy.

The Ciocc "Pro Race" is steel, being made from Dedacciai EOM 16.5. Here's a photo: http://www.ciocc.it/ProRace.htm
Being made from Dedacciai EOM 16.5, it will be quite light.

The Cervelo SuperProdigy is not Italian, but it is definitely "racey" and light; that's why I'm getting one. :)

You might be able to get a Bianch EV Boron steel frame for a good price.

I ride steel right now, but it doesn't seem like there are many new steel frames being produced by the Italians (or anyone else), at least not ones that are racy.

But wait, there's more:

The Basso Viper is steel, but I’m not sure of the quality:
http://www.bassobikes.com/eng/home.php

The Cinelli Supercorsa is steel:
http://www.cinelli.it/eng/bici/telai/Corsa/2004_NEW_SUPERCORSA.html

The Carrera Sheild WB and Carrera Volans are both steel:
http://www.carrera-podium.it/Prodotti/Catalogo/catalogo2004.html

The Colnago Classic (bit heavy) and the Colnago Master X Light are both steel:
http://www.colnagonews.com/prova2/telai/catalogotelai.html

The Coppi Genius is steel:
http://www.wrenchscience.com/WS1/Coppi/Bikes.html

The De Rosa Macro and De Rosa Neo Primato are both steel:
http://www.derosanews.com/

The Daccordi Fibra 4 and Profidea are both steel:
http://www.daccordi-cicli.com/english/gamma2004.htm

The Fondriest Status Plus is steel with carbon stays
http://www.fondriest-usa.com/frameset.php?frame=statusplus

The Moser M81 and M85 are both steel:
http://www.mosercycles.com/10150.html

The Olmo Mill.Plus, Millienium, and Mecury are all steel:
http://www.olmo.it/

The Pinarello Opera is steel with a carbon rear:
http://www.pinarello.com/main.php?surf=opera_card&path=cycles%2Frace%2Fopera&lang=e

Most Scapin frames are steel:
http://www.scapin.com/

Tommasini make a few steels:
http://www.tommasini.com/eng/prodotti.html

The Viner T05 and T98 are both steel
http://www.viner.it/english/telai_t43.htm

And the Wilier Morzine is steel with a carbon rear:
http://www.wilier.it/

I'm sure I've missed a few

Doen't you guys work down under? Just kidding, thanks for the reseach. I know there is a strong "steel is real" camp out there, but since I have a steel 2002 LeMond MJ right now, I wouldn't mind going aluminum/carbon. I'll look at all the links above, but it seems to me that most of the top compaines are putting their efforts into multi-material bikes now (e.g. the LeMond "spline" thing). Mostly I want the quality and sexiness of a true Italian frame, but here is a catch: Without a LBS that caries Ciocc (or Coppi or Cinelli, and only a few Pinarellos, DeRosas or Colnagos) most of the research has to be on the net and/or catalogs.

What is "chook?" Is it an uniquely Aussie thing, like vegamite? The Ciocc 7003 and 7005 are both Aluminum with carbon stays. I ride steel right now, but it doesn't seem like there are many new steel frames being produced by the Italians (or anyone else), at least not ones that are racy.

chook = chicken

It's actually pronounced cheeoch with both ch sounds being hard as in cheese.


I think its "chee-ock" , the first C is "chee" due to the "i", the second is hard C due to two C's.

Doen't you guys work down under? Just kidding, thanks for the reseach. .

Good point. I was waiting up for some of the Olympic stuff at 3am, so I had some time to kill. :D



I know there is a strong "steel is real" camp out there, but since I have a steel 2002 LeMond MJ right now, I wouldn't mind going aluminum/carbon. I'll look at all the links above, but it seems to me that most of the top compaines are putting their efforts into multi-material bikes now (e.g. the LeMond "spline" thing). . You're probably right; some of the companies just seem to have a token steel frame at the end of their catalog -- like Wilier. Also, ome of the steel Italian jobs will cost a bucket.


Mostly I want the quality and sexiness of a true Italian frame, but here is a catch: Without a LBS that caries Ciocc (or Coppi or Cinelli, and only a few Pinarellos, DeRosas or Colnagos) most of the research has to be on the net and/or catalogs. If you mainly want Italian, and you're happy with aluminium, then you've got a billion choices :)

The link to the Pro Race is helpful. Hey, look at the beauty of those laced wheels! Put some tubulars on it and it will be completly plush!

The link to the Pro Race is helpful. Hey, look at the beauty of those laced wheels! Put some tubulars on it and it will be completly plush!

It's a very sexy bike. The frame and fork alone, in Australia would cost about $3,500 US

JUst got my hands on a spanking new V107 carbon..... incredible.. nice peice of art.