Southern California - SART - Any Riders of the Upper SART out there??

SART - Any Riders of the Upper SART out there??

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I know the numbers of the lower SART Riders are legion, with the Esteemed Mr. Beanz maintaining order and decorum upon the trail.

But - are the Riders of the Upper SART out there?

I am starting a survey on the Upper next weekend and I would love all the data I can get ahead of time. I sent the .kml track line files to TrailLink. Now I need to find all the pitstops, water, flushies, commercial trail heads (I see a WalMart a bit off the upper end).

From what I can see of the pix on the Upper SART page (hidden under the Riverside icon on TL - because there is no map), it looks like good trail and an interesting ride. The river bed is actually a river bed with veggies. We shall have to see before it gets too hot out there.

Define "Upper SART." Past Yorba Regional? Past Green River?

Define "Upper SART." Past Yorba Regional? Past Green River?

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Good point. Way out in Riverside, starting at the Hidden Valley Wildlife Area and running up past the jct of the 10 and 215 in San B. About 20 miles of trail. Good looking. Here is the page...

<http://www.traillink.com/viewtrail.aspx?AcctID=6358179>

I rode it once last year from Norco to the 60. Hidden Valley has a couple hundred yard stretch of dirt in a gully. The rest of the HV stretch is pretty new asphalt. A few good parks on the way. Some sewage plants and industrial areas.

SART - Any Riders of the Upper SART out there??

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I know the numbers of the lower SART Riders are legion, with the Esteemed Mr. Beanz maintaining order and decorum upon the trail.

But - are the Riders of the Upper SART out there?

I am starting a survey on the Upper next weekend and I would love all the data I can get ahead of time. I sent the .kml track line files to TrailLink. Now I need to find all the pitstops, water, flushies, commercial trail heads (I see a WalMart a bit off the upper end).

From what I can see of the pix on the Upper SART page (hidden under the Riverside icon on TL - because there is no map), it looks like good trail and an interesting ride. The river bed is actually a river bed with veggies. We shall have to see before it gets too hot out there.


It is a pretty good trail. As mentioned already, in the Riverside area you do pass a sewage plant.

The trail basically goes from Arlington in the City of Corona, but after one mile of asphalted trail there is a small track of the trail, about 100 yards that is unpaved, or yet to be paved. The unpaved portion is usually ridable with compacted dirt/mud. But with the recent rain, today, it would probably be wiser to walk your bike over it. The option is to join the trail off of Van Buren, and avoid the dirt area altogether.

From there the trail takes you to the City of Redlands. But, the trail is currently blocked at Riverside dr. to La Cadena because of the rain a month ago. The city has yet to remove the mud from the last rain at this section, so they have left the section blocked. So you will have to know the street route to by-pass this section.

Even though there are parks along the trail, there is only one park with a bathroom and water access (the name of the park escapes me right now). And the park bathroom is closed in evenings, to prevent vagrants from using the facilities.

There is a bathroom / water right on the trail at Anza Narrows Park, which is about 6 miles north of Hidden Valley in Norco. You can also park and start there if you're driving to ride and wish to avoid the dirt.

There is another park just past Mt. Rubidoux. The trail forks just after you pass the dog park and go under Mission. The right fork takes you to Fairmount Park where there are bathrooms aplenty. (Historical note: this park was designed by the designer of Central Park in NYC.) The left fork continues to San Bernardino.

From the fork, you're pretty much on your own until you get to Waterman Rd. in San Bernardino. There are plenty of places to stop, eat, pee, or whatever right near there.

This part of the trail is about 20 miles from end to end (so a 40 mile out and back trip). If you want to extend the ride, I recommend throwing in a trip through downtown Riverside to Victoria Ave. If you want to do some climbing, take Victoria to Central / Alessandro, or to Washington. Also, there are some fairly steep roads in the neighborhoods off Canyon Crest, near UCR. And Canyon Crest itself is a pretty good uphill. And of course, there's Mt. Rubidoux, which is recently repaved, but that's actually not all that steep; it's just a pretty ride.

Personally, I prefer riding this part of SART, as there is vegetation and wildlife and such, and a bit more variety in the terrain, and it's far less crowded than the OC end. Oh yeah, and it's practically in my back yard. That helps :)

I've never ridden this section. We ride the OC SART to keep cool. Gina burns up in the heat of the summer so we ride there. Heck, SA gets a little tough for her when the temps ar near 100. So living inland, it's a pleasure to head to the coast. Riding the upper section in summer would be like riding around home, hot!:D..I guess I could do it before it gets hot, but I have no idea where it's at!:p

I used to ride from Fairmont up Rubidoux years ago. Back in 96, it was much nicer riding out that way, less developement. We'd ride Van Buren, to Wood, backside along Lake Matthews, down the hill on Cajalco Rd to the 15 fwy and back up, and La Sierra. It was so much nicer out there before they built the new homes around LM. That's when I quit riding out that way.

:lol:Admit it Mr. B, you only ride the OC end of things because you like the scenery down there more. Well, that and the weather.:50:

I like it hot. So I like the Riverside side.

No really.

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I've noticed that beneath every great bike trail, there seems to be a sewer <g>. Plus a few "waste water treatment plants" on the route. Check the lower SART for a few. You can tell by all the wind socks. Which way does the chlorine cloud blow?

I think the reality is that the bike trail is their maintenance access, doing double duty.

Even though there are parks along the trail, there is only one park with a bathroom and water access (the name of the park escapes me right now). And the park bathroom is closed in evenings, to prevent vagrants from using the facilities.

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I suspect Fairmount by Mt. R. has a pit stop. There is a new one at 33.965246° -117.430608° that may have RR and water. There is a tot lot and that usually means at least a water fountain. Rutland Park should at least have water. The GE pix are new, clear, and I don't see rest room indications - but, again - tot lot. I have some hope for the Carlson dog park.

Part of the fun of survey is finding out what is around the next bend. "To boldly go where only 3,458 riders have gone before." We'll get a good map out of it.

This part of the trail is about 20 miles from end to end (so a 40 mile out and back trip).

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Anything such as water at the Carlson dog park? Hope, I do. It's on the trail.

I plan two days of survey. As they are out n backs, about 10 miles (x 2) per day is good work. There will be four hours working up the data in the office for every trail hour. I usually finish up around 2200 on Sat. evening.

Smart. I figure I better get 'er done ASAP before it's BrainFry in the IE. Should have done it last month, but I was having too much fun mapping on the SGRT and the LARIO. Wonder if I have to double my on-board water.

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I suspect Fairmount by Mt. R. has a pit stop. There is a new one at 33.965246� -117.430608� that may have RR and water. There is a tot lot and that usually means at least a water fountain. Rutland Park should at least have water. The GE pix are new, clear, and I don't see rest room indications - but, again - tot lot. I have some hope for the Carlson dog park.
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The park I was thinking of, that has both bathroom and water access, was the Anza Narrows park. The facilities are right next to the trail and convenient to use.

For the Fairmount Park you have to turn off the main trail and ride a short distance to the facilities. There are plenty of facilities at that park, but it does help to know where the turn off is. There is a sign for the park turn off, but if you are riding hard, you might miss it.

The dog park, though recently renovated, does not have bathroom facilities (at lesast, not for humans :). And I am not sure if they have a water faucet, but it is a DOG PARK, so I would not doubt that some dog owners have allowed their dog to drink directly from any water spout that is there. :) So I would not advice stopping there for water.

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I've noticed that beneath every great bike trail, there seems to be a sewer <g>. Plus a few "waste water treatment plants" on the route. Check the lower SART for a few. You can tell by all the wind socks. Which way does the chlorine cloud blow?

I think the reality is that the bike trail is their maintenance access, doing double duty.

Historically, in SoCal; creeks and rivers have been used to place pipelines below grade and wastewater directly into them. Industry also located along them to dump.

It's only relativley recently that people have wanted to use them for recreation. River trails are very easy to make because the bank roads are usually there already for maintence usage.

The park I was thinking of, that has both bathroom and water access, was the Anza Narrows park. The facilities are right next to the trail and convenient to use.

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Tnxs for the data. I think I have it ...Martha McLean-Anza Narrows Park5759 Jurupa Ave, Riverside, CA 92506

I have marker on my GE map. I've updated it. It's by that interesting old RR bridge over the river, yes? Looks rather new. Make a nice trailhead park.

Point well taken on the dog park water. One hopes they have a three tier fountain <g>. Our in Anacortes - you jug your own water.

Also need to check Rutland Pk. where Jurpa meets Van Buren and the trail makes a joggle. Looks like a 'hood park - water only, but it's close.

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It's only relativley recently that people have wanted to use them for recreation. River trails are very easy to make because the bank roads are usually there already for maintence usage.

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Aren't they just? In NV on the River Mts. Loop Trail the western side of the trail is on the levee - and they have miles of levee to control flash floods coming out of the River Mts. The south side is over the Southern Nevada Water Authority pipeline easement. Other side of Boulder City it actually runs in the flood control channel. It's rather neat - something like street luge. Of course, the signs admonish you not to enter when flooded. Then it's on the RoW for the old RR used to build Boulder Dam.

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I see!:D

There is another park just past Mt. Rubidoux. The trail forks just after you pass the dog park and go under Mission. The right fork takes you to Fairmount Park where there are bathrooms aplenty. (Historical note: this park was designed by the designer of Central Park in NYC.) The left fork continues to San Bernardino.


I suspect Fairmount by Mt. R. has a pit stop. There is a new one at 33.965246° -117.430608° that may have RR and water. There is a tot lot and that usually means at least a water fountain.
Was I not clear the first time?

I see now that you have assigned yourself the task of cataloging bathrooms and water. There is a porta-potty at the Hidden Valley Wildlife Area. It is on the trail. There is also a nature center there, and if you're riding through during their open hours, they have facilities and (sometimes at least) sell snacks for folks using the trail. For more information:
Hidden Valley Wildlife Area (http://www.riversidecountyparks.org/locations/nature-historic-centers/hidden-valley/)
This is also an excellent place to park.

Carlson dog park does have human accessible --- or very tall dog accessible --- water. There are also very-short-person or regular sized dog height spigots. And if you feel the need to relieve yourself there, they provide baggies.

And if you feel the need to relieve yourself there, they provide baggies.

+1 :thumb:

Carlson dog park does have human accessible --- or very tall dog accessible --- water. There are also very-short-person or regular sized dog height spigots. And if you feel the need to relieve yourself there, they provide baggies.

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Needs to be a real pit stop to make it onto the TrailLink maps. Portapotties are acceptable and I will look for that one at HVWA. We show the ones on the lower SART. Baggies, no. They don't have a fixed GPS coordinate.

Add parking lots, trail heads, tunnels, and trestles to the list. Not too many of the last two on trails out here.

The Upper SART trail line is now posted on the map. Need to add the other bits to it.

Yeah, well, to me, that's a real pit stop.

The baggie dispenser is in a fixed location. Granted, once used, the baggies will be moved around, presumably by the user or a VERY close and personal friend of said user. Likely, they will remain within a few hundred yards, I suspect. Nevertheless, I suppose I could go get the coordinates of the baggie dispensation mechanism for you, but, y'know. Duty doesn't call.

this is the upper sart, minus the 10 miles rt from my house it is just shy of 44 miles round trip.
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/fontana/222124985802876977