Electric Bikes - Is giant 75 miles per charge too new to buy?

Afraid if I get the bike I want now, the technology will change and I'll be stuck with a $2,000+ electric bike. I am looking for a step-through bike and got really interested in the Giant Freedom Twist DX W which does 75 miles per charge. Should I be concerned about buying this bike now, fearing other companies are in the works to improve on that bike? The only thing I don't like about it (besides high price) is having the two batteries in a "saddlebag" position over the back wheel rather than almost undetectable under the seat. Any suggestions for a newbie, please? I have a 150cc scooter that I love but I don't like the gas, yearly insurance and license fees, taking tests, etc.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am a 67-year-young gal and need the exercise rather than just sitting on a scooter.
thanks

The economy setting they are talking about that goes 70 miles probably only goes about 10 mph speed. That's okay if you don't mind going 10 mph but that's just a little slow for me. That bike looks like an Izip that you can get at wal-mart for $500. Looks like they probably bought an Izip and then put lithium batteries in and then resold it for $1500 more. You can get decent lithium batteries now for $360 - $600 .

What kind of range do you want? Do you need more than 20 miles? Lots of people on here are buying kits and putting them together themselves. If you think you'd rather have a ready-made bike, though, that's up to you.

Here are some other bikes that you can look at that you might like
http://hightekbikes.com/ebikes.html

Those bikes have hub motors on them. The one I think you were looking at uses a chain. Nothing wrong with that necessarily. Just pointing out the difference. A hub motor bike would be quieter than a chain driven electric bike.

If you build your own, you probably will get a better e-bike. Probably faster and longer range.

Oops...nevermind...there was a bike shop in Missouri but looks like he moved to Texas.

You can put one together on your own for about $600 - $700 that's probably even better than the one you mentioned. I wouldn't buy it. Get a kit online and then maybe pay one of the teenagers in your neighborhood to put it together or something (If you don't want to put it together).

Is 14 mile range good?

You could buy a kit from either
ampedbikes.com
e-bikekit.com
hightekbikes.com

then buy a 36v8AH NICD battery from http://ebikes.ca for $240 and put it all together. And it'd be about $600 probably. Much cheaper than the Giant Twist bike. If you want more range, you could buy two of the batteries. That'd give you 28 mile range.

Angie,

Welcome to the forum. I would suggest that you look at more models. One question for you. Do you already have a bicycle that you like? If so, the most economical solution might be a conversion kit. I retired to the far northern US Rockies and found I wasn't riding my mountain bike that much because my knees would bother me after riding steep hills. I added a conversion kit last summer and haven't looked back--I've put more miles on my bike than my truck since installing the kit. I went with the Currie conversion kit because it has great torque, which I need for the hills here. It's also the most economical, it's available for $279.95 with free shipping from thesuperkids.com. It wasn't hard to install either. The original 24V 10AH SLA battery that came with the kit is still working but loosing some capacity so I just bought 2 12V 20AH Thunder Sky LIFEPO4 packs and built my own battery box that will fit in the Currie rear rack system, which keeps the batteries (and center of gravity) low, making the bike easier to handle.

Discount any claims that a single battery pack will take you 70 miles. That's a stretch for even a single LIFEPO4 pack on a bicycle. Electric cars (not hybrids) carrying much larger, more powerful packs may get about 85 miles per charge. Marketing hype will always be that--hype (and generally inaccurate).

Take your time, read up about components and battery technology. I'd suggest you also hop over to endless-sphere.com/forums (http://endless-sphere.com/forums). It's a great place to delve into information on electric bikes.

Good luck. Have fun shopping for your e-bike.

OMG, this is like Christmas for me! Just what I was looking for to help with my search and narrow it down. The bike I mentioned has TWO batteries, that's where the 75mp charge comes from. I am looking at the Torkers which are cheaper, go 40 miles per charge and weigh less than 50 lbs. Glad to hear from the women here too. I had to laugh because nwmtnbkr mentioned something I fear at my age: knees! Since this is much more info than I hoped for, I'm going to print out everything here and really pay attention, check out all suggestions. Can't thank you all enough for your help!! Angie

Yeah, nwmtnbkr gave some good advice. Please don't spend over about $1200 on an electric bike. If it's more than that, it's probably a rip-off. There are some top-of-the-line kits that are very good and very stealth th at are more than $1200. Some you can't even tell that they are electric bikes.

I wish there were better options for commercial e-bikes but I don't think I can say right now that there is any spectacular ones out there. I like speed so I built my own. Not everyone wants the same thing, though.

I'm not recommending that you buy this bike but this is probably one of the best if not the best commercial e-bike on the market. It's $2500, though but it has a battery built into the front wheel and the back wheel is where the motor is. Looks really nice. If I had the money, I'd probably get one. This is just an example of what else is out there.

http://epluselectricbike.com/shop/products/City_Bike_750_Watt_Silver-27-2.html

http://epluselectricbike.com/shop/images/products/preview/e6.jpg

Angie,

One of the writers on Bike Commuters is testing one of the Torker electric models. So far, he likes it. http://www.bikecommuters.com/2010/02/22/returning-to-bike-commuting-my-choice-of-bike/

You might also check out Currie's electric bicycles. They have quite a range of products at different prices.

Be prepared to see your bike evolve. As I began using mine for all types of errands, I've steadily modified it--adding a front rack, fenders, a bi-pod kickstand and turn signals. (I added the turn signals because I found it frustrating that many drivers didn't seem to understand hand signals, which is understandable since all cars have been required to have signals lights for a number of decades now.)

There are many interesting cycling web pages. I'd encourage you to explore. Here's a good starting point that has many good links on their page. http://www.ecovelo.info/

Enjoy, be safe and have fun.

Odd that you would mention the Torker. I have my choices narrowed down to a handful and Torker is one of them. There is a bike shop that can order me one just two streets away. However, I also followed your other links and found more interesting bikes... now I'm really confused. Don't you think it would be okay to just go with the Torker? And what's better, hub or chain? Heard hub is quieter. The more I look, the more confused I get. Still afraid I'll invest and then a whole new concept in electric bikes will come out to make my purchase obsolete in no time. :(

Schwinn also has electric bikes.
http://www.schwinnelectricbikes.com/Bikes/Transit.aspx

Do you think an electric bike is something you will use all the time or just maybe a few times per year? If it's something that you think you'll use every week, then you might want to get a really good one like a Torker or a Schwinn. Something that got good reviews. If it's something you just want to use a few times per year, wal-mart has electric bikes for about $500.

You also have Currie electric bikes. this one is about $400. See what you think. They have reviews down below.

http://www.amazon.com/Currie-EZip-Trailz-Mens-Electric/dp/B001PH6JFW

Currie electric bike is for someone who probably rides maybe 10 times per year. In my opinion. If you do more riding than that, then you might want a more expensive one.

Check this one out. Ezee Cadence electric bike. Ezee has a great reputation for making good electric motors. It's $1900 but that's probably one of the best quality e-bikes out there.

http://www.nycewheels.com/ezee-cadence-electric-bike.html


Here is the Ezee Quando which is a smaller bike. for $1500
http://www.nycewheels.com/ezee-quando-electric-folding-bike.html

I don't usually look at ready-made e-bikes but if I was going to buy one, I'd probably buy an ezee electric bike because ezee has been around a while and are known for making good bikes. No matter what you do buy, make sure it has a lithium battery or at least NIMH or NICD battery. The ezee quando comes with a 36v 10AH lithium battery. That's very good. Avoid bikes that have SLA or lead acid batteries.

Here is a bunch of different types of e-bikes...including the Ezee and others...
http://www.nycewheels.com/bikes.html

To answer your questions: I HOPE to ride a lot because I need exercise and gas is getting to be too much. My scooter, I love it, but I have to pay for storage and each year license fees, take the test, charge the battery through the winter, and I don't get any exercise on it.
I went to all your links, Morph, but I seem to like the Torker more than these. Glad to hear you say good things about Torkers, helps me narrow down my search. The bike shop that handles them in this SMALL town is just a few blocks away too... they know EVERYTHING about bikes and will customize anything for customers, so that's good. I do like the Giant Freedom too, but it's $2,200 + S&H. Is it tough to ride when it's SO hot in summer? On the scooter, it's cool, not too hot.
Thanks for all your help!

Yeah the Torker looks like a pretty good e-bike. It goes up to 18 mph. And it has a lithium battery which is very good. Keep in mind that you have to pedal up to about 4 mph before you can hit the throttle and use the motor. It's called a Pedal-first controller so you have to pedal a little to get it going. Once you get going, the motor can take over by hitting the throttle.

Is it hot in the summer when riding e-bikes? Not from my experience, you go so fast and the wind keeps you cool. I can ride in 85 - 90 degree weather and still stay cool.

I don't know if the Torker comes with a mirror but a mirror would be something that might be good to get. It helps to be able to see the cars behind you if you plan on riding on the road.

Odd that you would mention the Torker. I have my choices narrowed down to a handful and Torker is one of them. There is a bike shop that can order me one just two streets away. However, I also followed your other links and found more interesting bikes... now I'm really confused. Don't you think it would be okay to just go with the Torker? And what's better, hub or chain? Heard hub is quieter. The more I look, the more confused I get. Still afraid I'll invest and then a whole new concept in electric bikes will come out to make my purchase obsolete in no time. :(

Angie,

You need to decide what factors are important for you to determine what type of motor you get. If you live in a hilly area, you'll want good torque. Non-hub, brushed motors tend to have more torque. There are a couple of expensive hub motors that deliver better torque, but you won't find them on ready-made e-bikes. Many people assert that hub motors are silent, but watching You Tube videos, I've not really seen one that's truly silent. All make noise on acceleration. That's not really a problem because what overwhelms my hearing on my e-bike is wind. Don't expect motorcycle speeds on a ready made e-bike. In the US, more powerful, ready-made e-bikes with motors over 750W or that can reach speeds over 20 MPH must meet moped/motorcycle safety standards set by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meaning beefier frames, signal lights, better brakes, etc. Therefore, most ready-made e-bikes sold are limited in power and range. At present, conversion kits aren't caught up in Federal safety regulations. That's why many people build their own e-bikes using conversion kits.

I would really suggest that you take several weeks and read up in depth about battery technology and hub motors vice non-hub motors. Again, the best place to start is the Endless Sphere forums.

As far as obsolescence, I don't think you need to worry. The one area that needs the most improvement in EV technology is battery technology and I don't expect to see major changes in that for at least a decade, if not longer. You should consider LIFEPO4 batteries. They offer better power and more charging cycles than SLAs. I just build a new 24V 20AH pack for my e-bike and can't believe the difference in power over SLA.

Good luck. Take the time to become an informed consumer and have fun shopping for your e-bike.

All I can add, and I am sure you have read from everyone - Batteries are king. Go ahead and buy something you love, but for goodness sake, learn how to use a multimeter or go make sure you can get the parts you need - like a cell monitor. (I know Morph will say this later.)

I can add from personal experience that I know people (I learn from their mistakes) who have lost hundreds of dollars and hours of riding enjoyment from batteries gone wrong. Maintaining your batteries will pay off - and there are lots of people who can help on that end here in this forum.

Yoy should also check out the Trek FX+ WSD

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/electric_bikes/ride_plus/fxpluswsd/

You are getting the BionX system which is leading edge. I checked out the Giant before buying the FX+. The difference in weight between both bikes is over 25 pounds. The FX+ is also a much lighter and smoother ride due to the carbon fork.

Checked out the Trek site, Jerry, but the step-through isn't low enough and the handlebars are all straight across rather than curved toward rider (I'm an older gal) and that means a lot of leaning forward. So far I'm thinking I'll go with the Torker. It looks good, it's light, does up to 40 miles per charge, no fat tires (I know, this is all newbie lingo)... and the bike shop that can get it for me is three blocks away. I can get all kinds of help from them. Now, if any of you can recommend a bike so much better that I can forego all this or because I'm overlooking something important, please do let me know!

Checked out the Trek site, Jerry, but the step-through isn't low enough and the handlebars are all straight across rather than curved toward rider (I'm an older gal) and that means a lot of leaning forward. So far I'm thinking I'll go with the Torker. It looks good, it's light, does up to 40 miles per charge, no fat tires (I know, this is all newbie lingo)... and the bike shop that can get it for me is three blocks away. I can get all kinds of help from them. Now, if any of you can recommend a bike so much better that I can forego all this or because I'm overlooking something important, please do let me know!

Angie,

The Torker has gotten good reviews so I wouldn't be afraid to buy it. However, if any dealer nearby has an electric model that you can test ride, I'd encourage you to take a test ride. Much like the Bionix and many other systems these days, you'll need to pedal before power assist can kick in, so make sure that's what you want. I can't tell if you can add a second battery with the factory wiring or whether you'd have to do some modifications--I'd suggest you ask that question. If you don't mind tinkering, I think you'd have no problems building a supplemental battery pack if you decide you want more power. I just did and it wasn't hard and the effort was worth it--the LIFEPO4 pack is amazing. Most riders find they want more power than provided by an original OEM battery. Good luck. I think you'll love your new e-bike.

Checked out the Trek site, Jerry, but the step-through isn't low enough and the handlebars are all straight across rather than curved toward rider (I'm an older gal) and that means a lot of leaning forward. So far I'm thinking I'll go with the Torker. It looks good, it's light, does up to 40 miles per charge, no fat tires (I know, this is all newbie lingo)... and the bike shop that can get it for me is three blocks away. I can get all kinds of help from them. Now, if any of you can recommend a bike so much better that I can forego all this or because I'm overlooking something important, please do let me know!

Did you check out the Trek 7200+ WSD

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/electric_bikes/ride_plus/7200pluswsd/

I was also wondering what is the distance of your rides and what speed would you like to be going?

Just sold my 150cc scooter yesterday and I'm really wanting a throttle on the bike I get (I'm not as young as you whippersnappers...whatever that means). Maybe if I show you what I've narrowed it to, it may help. I like the LOOKS of the bike in this link, but it has only one PAS control. I don't need more than 3 or 4, but only one doesn't seem good:

http://www.eco-wheelz.com/catalog/ecobike-elegance-electric-bike-p-246.php

I do like this one too, but no throttle and it's way over-priced:

http://www.beststuff.com/fromthewire/sanyo-unveils-its-eneloop-bike-ces-2010.html
(Sanyo)

I like the looks of the Urban Mover (below... don't know how to insert a better photo):
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...but it doesn't have throttle either.

Anyway, it's VERY difficult trying to choose a bike because where I live, there are NO bike stores that carry electric bikes at all. People here in Missouri want trucks 'n tractors 'n all-terrain vehicles for their farms... no interest in new- fangled nonsense like electric bikes, is what they'd say.
If anyone has the time some day to pick these apart, based on the preferences I listed at the beginning of this thread, that would be a huge help.
Thanks,
Angie

Oops, I did not list my preferences on this thread, but here they are, if they'll help with your answer:





●―NOT a pedal-first throttle, where you have to pedal up to 5mph before it kicks in. Just want to hit the throttle ‘n go AND pedal too, when I want to.

●―14-15 inch frame, not larger… a frame that’s not too “fat”.
●―Definitely a step-through.
●―Less than 50 pounds overall weight.
●―No fat tires… but I’m not sure.
●―Handlebars that aren’t completely straight, a bit curved; don’t have to “lean over” too much.
●―A LifePO4 battery is my first battery choice, unless there’s a better choice (heard there isn’t).
●―Want good power/torque going up hills.
●―25 mile range or more.

Angie,

You might consider the EZip Women's Coastline as well. You can get it for $535 (with free shipping) from Amazon or $449 (plus shipping or ship free to a store) from Walmart. It's gotten great reviews on ecoforumz.

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You didn't like the Izip Zuma? Seemed to me that it had everything you wanted.
http://www.currietech.com/currie-technologies-izip-zuma-for-women-electric-bike.php

Ohh, that's nice, the Izip Zuma and the Ezip Coastline. Both are close to my preferences. I'm having little time lately to devote to bike hunting, so please forgive my not commenting quickly on any suggestions and/or replies. I will look further into both of these and go through this entire thread again, pay better attention and follow throug with suggestions WHEN I have time to do so, which I hope is soon.
Thanks again, these are handsome bikes!

Oh, I do like Morph's Izip Zuma too, but the frame seems a bit large (19"). I have a hard enough time with a 15" frame. I'm 5'1" But again, I intend to go through the thread and all suggestions again, so please don't think you're wasting your time sending your info!

E-mail currietech and tell them that you like their Izip Zuma but would like a smaller frame. Maybe they can do it for you.

Hi Angie and welcome to the group. You are getting great information for everyone here. I just thought I would weigh in with a few thoughts and conformations for you. My wife and I have a pair of Ezip Trails. We like them but I am not in any way trying to recommend them. I am only mentioning them because one of the problems my wife has it mounting a bike. She is 62 and 5'3" tall (she claims). She had a standard WalMart step through that I converted to an ebike for her. She rarely rode it because she was afraid to get on and off. I say the Ezip at Toys R Us last year and had her try it out. Actually we went to WalMart and she rode it inside the store (without motor). She was happy with the size and how it handled for her. While she does not try to ride with me everytime I go riding because I ride every other day or more for at least 20 t o25 miles each time. But she will go riding at least 2 or 3 times a week for about 10 mile each time. She tells me she feels much more secure on this bike.

I am telling you all this because you were talking about an Ezip that is very simular and you sound a lot like my wife. I highly recommend you avoid any bike that requires you to peddle to a given speed before the motor runs. This is a major problem for us older fokes especially when we get a little tired. as was already told to you the battery is the heart of the bike so look for something better then SLA batteries. If noise bothers you then you whould be better off with a bike with a hub motor. Of course unless you are handy or have someone to help you that is handy it is always nice to buy from a bike shop that will be there when you need them. However, they will always be much higher priced even for something you can buy from WalMart.

Good luck and happy biking. And please keep us informed what you decide on or if you have additional questions.

Thought I was doing very well; narrowed down choices to 3 bikes, then got help from a member here to one, a Currie Izip Zuma step-thru. Then I called Currie and asked them to measure the lowest part of the step-through part and it is 17"... a bit too high for me. What a huge disappointment. How do I find a bike for short people? Or do I put 24" wheels on a step-thru?? My inseam is 27" and my preferences are somewhere at the top of this thread.

Angie

Oops, no they're not; wrong thread. Here they are:

●―NOT a pedal-first throttle, where you have to pedal up to 5mph before it kicks in. Just want to hit the throttle ‘n go AND pedal too, when I want to.

●―14-15 inch frame, not larger… a frame that’s not too “fat”.
●―My inseam is 27” and I’m 5’1”
●―Definitely a step-through.
●―Less than 50 pounds overall weight.
●―No fat tires… but I’m not sure.
●―Handlebars that aren’t completely straight, a bit curved; don’t have to “lean over” too much.
●―A LifePO4 battery is my first battery choice, unless there’s a better choice (heard there isn’t).
●―Want good power/torque going up hills.
●―25 mile range or more.

Yes, I know, I'm a bit delusional, but close to these specs would be a good start.

Oops, no they're not; wrong thread. Here they are:

●―NOT a pedal-first throttle, where you have to pedal up to 5mph before it kicks in. Just want to hit the throttle ‘n go AND pedal too, when I want to.

●―14-15 inch frame, not larger… a frame that’s not too “fat”.
●―My inseam is 27” and I’m 5’1”
●―Definitely a step-through.
●―Less than 50 pounds overall weight.
●―No fat tires… but I’m not sure.
●―Handlebars that aren’t completely straight, a bit curved; don’t have to “lean over” too much.
●―A LifePO4 battery is my first battery choice, unless there’s a better choice (heard there isn’t).
●―Want good power/torque going up hills.
●―25 mile range or more.

Yes, I know, I'm a bit delusional, but close to these specs would be a good start.

Angie,

Have you taken a tape measure and measured 17 inches and then tried lifting your leg that high? I'm taller than you but my inseam is only 30" and I have no problems lifting my leg 17 inches. I'd suggest you give it a try. I think it will be very difficult to find a bike that has that low a profile as well as the other features you want. Bria has an electric version of their easy-board model, but it uses anemic EU street-legal standards and may be limited to pedal assist only--no throttle control. The other thing I would worry about with their easy board model is that the frame is too low and could easily hit pavement on driveways, etc.

http://www.biria.com/images/eb_electric.jpg

FYI--Best Buy now sells e-bikes. If there are any close to you, give them a call to confirm they have them in the store and then go look. On their website, they claim you can take test rides. Good luck.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Electric-Vehicles/Electric-Bikes/pcmcat177200050010.c?id=pcmcat177200050010

I did try one of those in a regular bike at the store and it was a nuisance, especially with a seat that goes only so low, like the Izip Zuma. Our Best Buy doesn't sell bikes. I guess it's back to the drawing board...

I did try one of those in a regular bike at the store and it was a nuisance, especially with a seat that goes only so low, like the Izip Zuma. Our Best Buy doesn't sell bikes. I guess it's back to the drawing board...

As I mentioned I have a problem fitting bike to my wife. One of her problems is as you now commented on (the seat is to high). On her old bike I cut off the clamping part for the adjustment and drilled 4 holes through the upright post and the seat post and put in a removable pin. this gained her an extra inch downward movement. On her new Currie she is OK with the seat in the full down position. One of the problems you maybe having is the seat post. Most of the upper price bikes including the pricier Curries use a suspension post and this will raise the seats lowest limit 1 to 2 inches. So when you find a bike the you can step through but have a problem because the seat is to high check the seat post. You can always have it changed even to test the bike out you could change it.

Angie, what about the Go Cycle? Has 20" tires so the bike is probably easier to handle than one with 26" tires. Looks like overall, it's a smaller bike.

http://gizmodo.com/5206123/gocycle-bike-offers-best-of-both-worlds-for-urban-greenies-its-folding-and-electric

Lots of people are throwing different bikes and advices on this thread which are all good - so I'll go in a slight different direction.

How handy or mechanically incline are you? Can you change a bike tire? How about changing the tire on a bike that is 60-70lb. Do you think you could turn the bike upside down or handle it while its laying on its side? Do you have any background or if you don't, have a desire to learn electricity?

At current state, an ebike is not quite there as car/scooter replacement. Sure lots of people do ride and commute on ebike (community is still quite small) but these people spend inordinate amount of time fixing/modding their bike. And most people that is using these as transportation do have more than one ebike (I do and it seems most others too).

This is not to discourage, rather, its to set up an expectation according to current state of ebiking. You may buy a bike that will last 3-4 years (most don't keep it that long) with nothing more than charging the battery, but it could also break down quite quickly - and this is not something local mechanic can fix (usually).

If I have to recommend a bikes that is above and beyond what was already offered - A2B bike and Sanyo Enoolop as these have fantastic warranties that will save you lots of money in the long run (these are more expensive but have similar support as scooter dealers).

Lastly - Morph, not sweating while riding because you are going fast? Have you ever rode a motorcycle? At 80mph, you sweat when sun is blaring at you and its humid (85+ degree will do it). I've been commuting for few years on ebike now and you sweat - sure not as much as manual pedaling but enough to want to take a shower.

hope that helps

Lots of people are throwing different bikes and advices on this thread which are all good - so I'll go in a slight different direction.

How handy or mechanically incline are you? Can you change a bike tire? How about changing the tire on a bike that is 60-70lb. Do you think you could turn the bike upside down or handle it while its laying on its side? Do you have any background or if you don't, have a desire to learn electricity?

At current state, an ebike is not quite there as car/scooter replacement. Sure lots of people do ride and commute on ebike (community is still quite small) but these people spend inordinate amount of time fixing/modding their bike. And most people that is using these as transportation do have more than one ebike (I do and it seems most others too).

This is not to discourage, rather, its to set up an expectation according to current state of ebiking. You may buy a bike that will last 3-4 years (most don't keep it that long) with nothing more than charging the battery, but it could also break down quite quickly - and this is not something local mechanic can fix (usually).

If I have to recommend a bikes that is above and beyond what was already offered - A2B bike and Sanyo Enoolop as these have fantastic warranties that will save you lots of money in the long run (these are more expensive but have similar support as scooter dealers).

Lastly - Morph, not sweating while riding because you are going fast? Have you ever rode a motorcycle? At 80mph, you sweat when sun is blaring at you and its humid (85+ degree will do it). I've been commuting for few years on ebike now and you sweat - sure not as much as manual pedaling but enough to want to take a shower.

hope that helps

I have to say that the Sanyo's are over priced for what you get--basically an under-powered bike with poor torque that's street-legal in the EU and parts of Asia that have strict restrictions on power and demand pedal assist rather than throttle control. In fact, most ready-made e-bikes are over priced. That's why I went the conversion route and I would expect that the majority of e-bike owners in North America have gone that route. I also think e-bike owners are like many other bike owners--they hold on to their e-bikes and convert more. E-bikes aren't really any more intimidating to fix than a regular bike (and yes, I'm a woman--we can use tools just like the guys).

I have to say that the Sanyo's are over priced for what you get--basically an under-powered bike with poor torque that's street-legal in the EU and parts of Asia that have strict restrictions on power and demand pedal assist rather than throttle control. In fact, most ready-made e-bikes are over priced. That's why I went the conversion route and I would expect that the majority of e-bike owners in North America have gone that route. I also think e-bike owners are like many other bike owners--they hold on to their e-bikes and convert more. E-bikes aren't really any more intimidating to fix than a regular bike (and yes, I'm a woman--we can use tools just like the guys).

If you can fix or build ebike - great. But can she? Thats why I asked, to put it in proper perspective. She did say she is coming from a scooter side of transport and sounds like she might not be hands on type (yet). Owning a Ebike is nothing like owning a scooter/motorcycle.

There's nothing wrong with "under powered" bike. I would take 20mph 36v A2B or Sanyo any day for my daily commuter. Unless you live in super hilly San Francisco type of places, these bikes will handle what most people will run into - reliably. I own several Ebike's that could match scooter in speed (53mph) but I still commute on my light/slow speed ebikes as these are easier to handle and more reliable (by the way, I use same handle on ES).

Um, I have a problem fixing tires when my bike gets a flat and I'm a 200 lb male that do 800lb leg press. Don't mean squat (literally). Its really pain in the ass to fix tires on these bikes - first you need to carry a full complement of tools (full size wrenches, screw driver, etc) in addition to flat fix/tube kit because you will need to un-do any zip ties, take out torque arms, unscrew wheel and work on the flat fix while handling all the cargo (battery, tools, lunch) and a heavy frame. And typical tire used on these bike are super wide and I sometimes have a problem just to get it on the rim. Got nothing to do with being male or female, rather - per my 1st question, how capable are you and understand, you may need to do these thing. Again, based on what she said, bike get more flats than a scooter, so this type of stuff has to be considered. I'd own a 250cc scooter/motorcycle long ago and when it break or get a flat, I call AAA.

Again, my question is, how capable are you and understand whats it like to own a ebike. I did consider these things and at best, ebike is my secondary transport. Still a blast though.

If you can fix or build ebike - great. But can she? Thats why I asked, to put it in proper perspective. She did say she is coming from a scooter side of transport and sounds like she might not be hands on type (yet). Owning a Ebike is nothing like owning a scooter/motorcycle.

There's nothing wrong with "under powered" bike. I would take 20mph 36v A2B or Sanyo any day for my daily commuter. Unless you live in super hilly San Francisco type of places, these bikes will handle what most people will run into - reliably. I own several Ebike's that could match scooter in speed (53mph) but I still commute on my light/slow speed ebikes as these are easier to handle and more reliable (by the way, I use same handle on ES).

Um, I have a problem fixing tires when my bike gets a flat and I'm a 200 lb male that do 800lb leg press. Don't mean squat (literally). Its really pain in the ass to fix tires on these bikes - first you need to carry a full complement of tools (full size wrenches, screw driver, etc) in addition to flat fix/tube kit because you will need to un-do any zip ties, take out torque arms, unscrew wheel and work on the flat fix while handling all the cargo (battery, tools, lunch) and a heavy frame. And typical tire used on these bike are super wide and I sometimes have a problem just to get it on the rim. Got nothing to do with being male or female, rather - per my 1st question, how capable are you and understand, you may need to do these thing. Again, based on what she said, bike get more flats than a scooter, so this type of stuff has to be considered. I'd own a 250cc scooter/motorcycle long ago and when it break or get a flat, I call AAA.

Again, my question is, how capable are you and understand whats it like to own a ebike. I did consider these things and at best, ebike is my secondary transport. Still a blast though.

I live in the far northern US Rockies so I need good torque. That's one of the reasons why I decided to go the conversion route, the other major factor being price. So many mass-produced e-bikes have fairly unimpressive specs so they can be street-legal in those world markets that have fairly severe limits on power and demand pedal assist rather than throttle control. I believe that's why so many e-bike enthusiasts in North America have turned to conversion kits. I have to applaud manufacturers like Currie and Ultra Motors, which do make more e-bikes available that will perform well for those of us who aren't flatlanders (and that's a lot of North America). I also have to applaud Currie for making many of their e-bikes affordable, including some of the new models stocked with Lithium batteries.

I think you may underestimate yourself. I bet you can tackle a lot of repairs and maintenance on your e-bike. A lot of routine e-bike maintenance is the same as for regular bikes, like cleaning and lubing your chain and gearing. Even building an upgraded Lithium battery isn't too bad. There certainly are a lot of online resources that you can tap into and learn from before undertaking projects.

I live in the far northern US Rockies so I need good torque. That's one of the reasons why I decided to go the conversion route, the other major factor being price. So many mass-produced e-bikes have fairly unimpressive specs so they can be street-legal in those world markets that have fairly severe limits on power and demand pedal assist rather than throttle control. I believe that's why so many e-bike enthusiasts in North America have turned to conversion kits. I have to applaud manufacturers like Currie and Ultra Motors, which do make more e-bikes available that will perform well for those of us who aren't flatlanders (and that's a lot of North America). I also have to applaud Currie for making many of their e-bikes affordable, including some of the new models stocked with Lithium batteries.

I think you may underestimate yourself. I bet you can tackle a lot of repairs and maintenance on your e-bike. A lot of routine e-bike maintenance is the same as for regular bikes, like cleaning and lubing your chain and gearing. Even building an upgraded Lithium battery isn't too bad. There certainly are a lot of online resources that you can tap into and learn from before undertaking projects.

I agree with most of what you say. Most people can do far more then they give them selves credit for....especially women because many times they had a hubby to do it for them. But in many cases they (the woman) were the more capable and adapt person and would likely do as good or better job. As for you my dear (nwmtrbkr), your an extream handyman/woman (person). From what I've seen Your willing to jump fearlessly into most anything with both feet........God Bless Ya Gal !!

What I was wondering is if our new friend Angie wouldn't be better off finding someone in her area that she can trust to help her put a kit onto a bike of her choosing. That way the search is limited to a well fitting bike first and secondly to it acceptablity to a motor and batteries. Some local bike shops will mount kit and this way tere is somewhere to take it for anual service too.

Angie if you live in the Chicago area I'd be willing to help you build a bike of your choosing.

I think you may underestimate yourself. I bet you can tackle a lot of repairs and maintenance on your e-bike. A lot of routine e-bike maintenance is the same as for regular bikes, like cleaning and lubing your chain and gearing. Even building an upgraded Lithium battery isn't too bad. There certainly are a lot of online resources that you can tap into and learn from before undertaking projects.

I hope you're not talking about me. I build all my batteries - I have a thread open right now on ES "how to build cylindrical pack for dummy". Again, this isn't about you or me, its about putting right expectation so one can make proper decision.

I hope you're not talking about me. I build all my batteries - I have a thread open right now on ES "how to build cylindrical pack for dummy". Again, this isn't about you or me, its about putting right expectation so one can make proper decision.

I read that thread. That's a very elegant and simple solution for building a battery with cylindrical cells. Good idea and thanks for sharing it with the community.

What I was wondering is if our new friend Angie wouldn't be better off finding someone in her area that she can trust to help her put a kit onto a bike of her choosing. That way the search is limited to a well fitting bike first and secondly to it acceptablity to a motor and batteries. Some local bike shops will mount kit and this way tere is somewhere to take it for anual service too.


This is precisly what I was talking about. Not everyone is nwmtnbkr. Even if someone build it for them (my local LBS built 3 last year - none of them are riding now), if they don't have the aptitude or desire to learn, then it will be a fun toy for short while (and great find for rest of us on Craigslist later on :) ).

It isn't a question of whether if someone can learn - they all can. The question is, if they want to - not everyone do or know whats involved in maintaining a Ebike.

I didn't think this was going to take the direction it has, sorry for littering the thread, I'm done. cheers.

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"On her old bike I cut off the clamping part for the adjustment and drilled 4 holes through the upright post and the seat post and put in a removable pin. this gained her an extra inch downward movement. On her new Currie she is OK with the seat in the full down position. One of the problems you maybe having is the seat post. Most of the upper price bikes including the pricier Curries use a suspension post and this will raise the seats lowest limit 1 to 2 inches. So when you find a bike the you can step through but have a problem because the seat is to high check the seat post. You can always have it changed even to test the bike out you could change it. "

Funny you said that (above), dumbass, because just today I went to a local shop where he builds bikes, custom frames, the whole thing, and he said he would do exactly what you said. Only he would take off the Currie seat and post altogether, give me a much flatter seat and that would bring the seat down quite a bit. Just wondered how I'd like losing the "springy" post and cushy seat. What bike, exactly, does your wife have?

I'm pretty handy; I've put together SO many complicated things in my life and learned how to do just about anything and everything. My daughter used to say, "My mother could build a house from the ground up with a hammer and a fork." So I guess I could learn easily how to take care of a bike and not just ride it around. This guy is going to get a bike in the end of next week that is very similar to the Izip. He'll put it together just like he'd fix an Izip for me so I can get on it and see if it's the right size.
I had no idea all these comments were on this thread...many I haven't read 'til now. All of you are great and I'm learning SO much from all your comments.
I especially thank nwmtnbkr for narrowing down my search to the Izip Zuma (tho I wish it wasn't so expensive). Problem is, there is NO bike shop here in Missouri (I'm in Jefferson City... very small town) that has an electric bike on hand and won't get one in because they've all said the manufacturers won't let them order just one; they'd have to order a minimum of three(!) So, I can't just get on one and check it out. I do remember trying one out many years ago and it was awesome then, so I can imagine how much MORE awesome they are now. Keep the comments comin', I'm hearing all of you and trying to be patient.
Again, dumbass, I'd like to know the exact bike your wife has, if you don't mind.

Be careful about Bionx ,
it does NOT accept third party batteries.
BIONX battery is propertiary.
Ask how much is batt replacement for BIONX and they are going to tell you big $$$$, because it cont6ain electronics.
mc

"On her old bike I cut off the clamping part for the adjustment and drilled 4 holes through the upright post and the seat post and put in a removable pin. this gained her an extra inch downward movement. On her new Currie she is OK with the seat in the full down position. One of the problems you maybe having is the seat post. Most of the upper price bikes including the pricier Curries use a suspension post and this will raise the seats lowest limit 1 to 2 inches. So when you find a bike the you can step through but have a problem because the seat is to high check the seat post. You can always have it changed even to test the bike out you could change it. "

Funny you said that (above), dumbass, because just today I went to a local shop where he builds bikes, custom frames, the whole thing, and he said he would do exactly what you said. Only he would take off the Currie seat and post altogether, give me a much flatter seat and that would bring the seat down quite a bit. Just wondered how I'd like losing the "springy" post and cushy seat. What bike, exactly, does your wife have?

I'm pretty handy; I've put together SO many complicated things in my life and learned how to do just about anything and everything. My daughter used to say, "My mother could build a house from the ground up with a hammer and a fork." So I guess I could learn easily how to take care of a bike and not just ride it around. This guy is going to get a bike in the end of next week that is very similar to the Izip. He'll put it together just like he'd fix an Izip for me so I can get on it and see if it's the right size.
I had no idea all these comments were on this thread...many I haven't read 'til now. All of you are great and I'm learning SO much from all your comments.
I especially thank nwmtnbkr for narrowing down my search to the Izip Zuma (tho I wish it wasn't so expensive). Problem is, there is NO bike shop here in Missouri (I'm in Jefferson City... very small town) that has an electric bike on hand and won't get one in because they've all said the manufacturers won't let them order just one; they'd have to order a minimum of three(!) So, I can't just get on one and check it out. I do remember trying one out many years ago and it was awesome then, so I can imagine how much MORE awesome they are now. Keep the comments comin', I'm hearing all of you and trying to be patient.
Again, dumbass, I'd like to know the exact bike your wife has, if you don't mind.

Angie,

Why not start out with a less-expensive option for your first e-bike. That way you won't have a lot invested if it doesn't meet with your expectations. (Unfortunately, the value of e-bikes falls steeply after purchase, just like new autos when they're driven off the dealer's lot, so most buyers don't get their money back if they're unhappy and try to resell right away.) If you found a shop that's willing to work with you, why not consider buying a reasonably priced step-through bike that fits you and a conversion kit, then have the shop install it? As I've said before the Currie conversion kit is very reasonably priced at $279.99 (with free shipping) from the SuperKids site. It comes with a SLA pack and you can build a LIFEPO4 pack fairly easily. The torque on the Currie is great--I've got a number of steep mountain hills to tackle here with 18% grades (or worse) and it helps me get up them without a problem. There are also hub motor kits out there too, although many hub kits don't have any type of batteries included in the intial price. Good luck.

Again, dumbass, I'd like to know the exact bike your wife has, if you don't mind.

Hello again Angie, My wife has a LADIES EZ TRAILZ ELECTRIC by EZip. I mesured the height of the step through bar on it and I think it is going to be to high for you. The step through bar is 19" and the top of the EZip standard seat is 31 1/2" in it's lowest position. I bought it at Toys R Us for $240 in August last year. The Toys R Us still sells these bike in my area as does the local WalMart (Only some WalMarts have ebike though). So you could go to one of these places and try one on for size.

Again, if you really feel handy you could buy a bike that fits you perfectly and then buy a hub motor kit and install it. A hub kit is not dificult to install and maybe a good match for you. However, should you decide to do something like this I would recommend taking it up again on the forum so you know you are getting what you need. Not every bike is a good match up for a front hub motor but a lot are (especially if they are a steel frame). You could buy a good but inexpensive bike at Costco, WalMart or your local bike shop for $150 to $300, A motor kit for $300 to $500 and batteries (Thunder Sky 20AH 12 packs for $120 *3 for 36v = $360). Your total is $810 to $1160.

Very interesting, nwmtnbkr and dumbass... I copied your comments and will take them with me to the bike shop next week, see what he says. Thank you both!

I spent $170 on the bike and accessories. The kit is under $1k with a Lifepo4 battery and 36v 500w motor. I have been very satisfied with the whole experience and truly get 20 miles per charge in a hilly terrain going ~20mph. I would not want to go slower, 20 mph is a good speed for a MTB. See below setup.

http://www.e-bikekit.com/

I just went up and saw that Biria again... it looks perfect for me--the step-through, that is. Wish I could get that as a basic frame. Also, I just got the following in an email from someone not identified. I LOVE the simplicity of this person's answer and I LOVE the link. It shows everything you get, a lot of info AND a couple videos to help-- excellent! Whoever sent that (I don't see it on this thread), THANKS A LOT. I am taking a folder of many of these comments to this dealer and if we can't figure something out with all this info, I'm going back to a scooter... 'course, then I don't get the exercise, which is the whole idea for me.
Here's what I just received:

"I spent $170 on the bike and accessories. The kit is under $1k with a Lifepo4 battery and 36v 500w motor. I have been very satisfied with the whole experience and truly get 20 miles per charge in a hilly terrain going ~20mph. I would not want to go slower, 20 mph is a good speed for a MTB. See below setup."



http://www.e-bikekit.com/ (http://www.e-bikekit.com/)