Advocacy & Safety - *GRR* Bloody kids in their sports cars!!

Hey all..

Anyway.. on my way to the office this morning i was wiped out by this punk kid in his nissan sports car.. i saw this punk cutting across the traffic (a bus had let him through) but i had made eye contact with him so i was sure he would slow and be cautios... as a precaution i reduced my speed and went to pass, and then wham.. he jumps on the gas and i collide head on..

and get this the kid was more worried about me scratching his car then the gaping cut i just recieved to my face *GRR*

Anyway, i went straight to the local doctor and go patched up.. no stiches just some wierd glue..

ill post pics if ya'll want hahaha..

happy riding everyone..

James

Hey all..

Anyway.. on my way to the office this morning i was wiped out by this punk kid in his nissan sports car.. i saw this punk cutting across the traffic (a bus had let him through) but i had made eye contact with him so i was sure he would slow and be cautios... as a precaution i reduced my speed and went to pass, and then wham.. he jumps on the gas and i collide head on..

and get this the kid was more worried about me scratching his car then the gaping cut i just recieved to my face *GRR*

Anyway, i went straight to the local doctor and go patched up.. no stiches just some wierd glue..

ill post pics if ya'll want hahaha..

happy riding everyone..

James

Time to sue. :)

Time to sue. :)

Straight up, get some money off this. If he knew you were there and he hit you, you can deffinatly take him to court. Someone out there has to show these drivers that us bikers be a reckoning to mess with. :D Post a picture too, I just curious of what kinda damage he did to the face.

hey there,
im the "punk nissan driver" in question here.

first of all - this was a very unfortunate incedent that should not have happened! - i hope your ok?

my side of the story.
first thing i said when i got out the car was "are you alright mate" once asking this several times he assured me he was, i then looked at my car.

second of all - you came up on the inside of a BUS - how the hell could i make eye contact with you??

then you say i put down the gas?? - i was not even moving when i first saw you come out of nowhere! and i can prove this coz my car scrapes on the driveway i was pulling into so i have to creep over it!

now i asked you is there any damage to my car?- you reply with "no - just some rubber marks from your tyres " - bs - i let you go and believed you but theres now a dent in my panel and scratches in my bonnet?

i dont want to make a big thing of this but the way your making it sound like i tryed to do it?? i dont see what you have to gain from telling lies?

i was in no way at fult here - you overtook a stationary bus on the inside lane? - common sense would surely make you think - "well if the bus has stopped so should I."

once again i hope your ok.

The troll contest in the General Forum.

Hmm .. is Nissan Driver the real guy? Almost sounds like it. We shall see as the drama unfolds.

I asked the same question, out of the whole world of drivers how did this guy locate the "victim" in these forums.

It would be interesting to see the IP addresses of both posts. The writing style is similar (notice the capitalization). Could AussieRider00 and Nissan Driver be the same person? If so, my hat's off to them/him/her. What a great Troll idea! But the thread belongs in the Troll Competition:

http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=63324

Trolls or not, perhaps there is something to be learned from/by both sides in this and related incidents.

1) My mental picture of the incident is ambiguous, because of my uncertainty over the authors' use of the terms, "inside" and "outside." Did the cyclist pass between the bus and the curb/kerb (i.e., to the left of the bus in Australia) and did the car move away from the centerline of the road (i.e., leftward in Australia) while turning or merging in front of the bus, or do I have the image reversed?

2) Either way, it sounds as though the cyclist and the motorist were merging in front of the bus, from opposite sides. Do I have this much right?

3) Passing motor vehicles, particularly large ones, on the outside (curb side) is a very risky maneuver, to be undertaken only very slowly and extremely cautiously, if at all.

4) Turning or merging a motor vehicle in front of a large bus or truck must also be done very slowly and alertly, because of highly compromised sight lines.

I just had this happen to me today actually interestingly enough. A car right hooked me out of stopped traffic that I was passing on the right, I wasn't going quite slow enough and he clipped my front tire (or I clipped his back bumper) and the bike went down but I managed to stay up. I gave him the thumbs up and he pulled into the parking lot like nothing had happened. Anyway, no harm no foul. I admit as much fault for going too fast as he gets for no turn signal. Noirmally don't take this route unless I am in a hurry as there is no shoulder.

Hey Paul, glad you are OK.

What road was this on?

Have you ever ridden on Southern between Price and Mill? Very narrow lanes and hard to take them in full given agressive drivers.

Al

Of all the threads in all the forums in all the web, he had to walk into yours.

Hey Paul, glad you are OK.

What road was this on?

Have you ever ridden on Southern between Price and Mill? Very narrow lanes and hard to take them in full given agressive drivers.

Al


Broadway between Priest and Mill. He was turning into Filibertos. Traffic was backed up for 2 blocks so the temptation to speed by was pretty bad. The bright side is if I had been on the sidewalk he would have broadsided me and I definitely would have broken something or at least gone down. I usually take Alameda but that way is about 10 minutes slower and frustrating because of numerous lights and stop signs. City designated' Bike routes should have speed bumps not stop signs in my opinion.

give me a break, Nissan Drivers is so full of ****. I mean what are the chances of a vehicle driver coming right to the sight that a cyclist posts on and finding the exact person, and especially with all of the other cycling websites/forums out there, he was still able to guess the exact one.

Broadway between Priest and Mill. He was turning into Filibertos. Traffic was backed up for 2 blocks so the temptation to speed by was pretty bad. The bright side is if I had been on the sidewalk he would have broadsided me and I definitely would have broken something or at least gone down. I usually take Alameda but that way is about 10 minutes slower and frustrating because of numerous lights and stop signs. City designated' Bike routes should have speed bumps not stop signs in my opinion.

Actually I mis-wrote my first comment - its Southern between Price and Mill that is narrow and nasty and I have to ride quite often. Never ridden on Broadway.

Not sure what you mean about bumps vs. stop signs. I ride on the neighborhood bike routes and deal with lots of stop signs and speed bumps. I must hit at least a dozen, probably more on my commute every day.

Al

Of all the threads in all the forums in all the web, he had to walk into yours.

You would be surprised where they find people. Google is a wonderful and evil tool. Probably a member of some Nissan Forum out there.

i also found it amazing when my friend notified me of this thread after i told him what happened - you can check the ip addys or whatever you do ?? (im not that good with computers) but i also noticed that "james" joined up on the morning this happened?? which i thought was a bit strange?
anyway im not full of **** either and i just thought i should come on here and let you know what really happened cos i didnt want people wasting their time with a thread thats not accurate! - i understand that this guys was upset or whatever but as mentioned before - he was in between a bus and a gutter and hit me at quite a pace! HOW WAS I TO SEE HIM??
i couldnt believe that my mate acctually found this - i even asked myself "i wonder if steve (my mate) started this thread -as a joke"
i hope he did coz i didnt think the guy had a cut on his head ?? (but i cant be sure)

Let's suppose (pretend? accept?) for a moment that this is legit, it really happened, these people are who they say they are, and look at the merits. It's hard to tell exactly who was going where, but it sounds like AR was going parallel to a bus, and ND was turning right (assuming this is Oz) into a driveway across AR's and the bus's path. Or perhaps ND was perpendicular, at a tee where the perpendicular street continues into a driveway. In either case, the bus yielded as a courtesy, not out of requirement to yield. Someone crossing such a path cannot assume that all parallel, through traffic is going to yield. Turning or cross traffic yields to through traffic. ND obviously failed to yield.

ND disputes the claim that he "put down the gas". In about the same breath, he says he wasn't moving when he first made eye contact with AR. And of course, he was moving when he struck him. Going from not moving to moving, by definition (and by his own telling) ND opened his throttle.

Further, that ND started moving after making eye contact implies one of two things. It's possible there was intent; I would leave it to police investigators and/or the prosecutor to try to determine that. If there wasn't there was clear criminal negligence. Starting a vehicle in motion after seeing another vehicle to which you are required to yield is a textbook case negligence.

The bus driver should not have yielded, knowing that parallel traffic would still go through. ND should not have 'taken him up" on the yield, for exactly the same reason. I see people do this (what the bus driver did) all the time, thinking their being "nice", when they're in fact creating greater hazards.

Hypothetically, of course...

... The bus driver should not have yielded, knowing that parallel traffic would still go through. ND should not have 'taken him up" on the yield, for exactly the same reason. I see people do this (what the bus driver did) all the time, thinking their being "nice", when they're in fact creating greater hazards. ...

Spot-on. This is why the safest way to drive or cycle is cautiously and courteously, but assertively. If you have the right-of-way, it is generally better to take it than to give it to someone else, because that "nice" gesture could in fact set the stage for a collision or other unintended consequence. In my unusually bicycle-friendly community, I often arrive at a 4-way stop, only to have a motorist who was there first wave me through. I have also had an occasional through motorist, from the opposing direction, stop to invite me to turn left across his/her path.

Actually I mis-wrote my first comment - its Southern between Price and Mill that is narrow and nasty and I have to ride quite often. Never ridden on Broadway.

Not sure what you mean about bumps vs. stop signs. I ride on the neighborhood bike routes and deal with lots of stop signs and speed bumps. I must hit at least a dozen, probably more on my commute every day.

Al

I don't have to stop for speed bumps but feel guilty when I don't stop for a stop sign. Speed bumps accomplish the feet of slowing drivers down without stopping both car and bicyclist. I can cross the speed bumps without even slowing down.

And here are the results of the IP trace -- both Nissan Driver and AussieRider00 both came up with: The IP Address is: 203.166.57.11. The host name is: ls11.internode.on.net.au.

With that sorted out. Thread closed.