Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - KILO WT TT CC PPOE OPP CCQADPTT and a few missing toes for me!

*****Edited the post down so it was more accurate and less chatter.

What I am leaning towards: UNO

WT link - http://tinyurl.com/24o2a3j
UNO link - http://tinyurl.com/ofsqq5

Needs:
Bike for Greater DC area (and possibly a few dirt trails)
Anywhere between 2 and 20 miles a day
Haven't ridden in about 10ish years on a regular basis

Concerns:
Which KILO to get? WT or TT? Or the UNO?

-So far people are saying get the WT out of the two KILOs and not much about comparing to the UNO.

I keep hearing about toe rubbage for big feet people. Any Advice?

-Most have said don't worry about it. And don't ride with sandals (which does make me a bit sad at times!) It will be a learning curve but after a few rides around the city most don't even notice anymore. It almost becomes second nature to compensate for it.

Comparing the UNO with the WT! (simplified from BD and reduced)

-So far haven't seen too many people saying the UNO needs replacement parts. The WT on the other hand people say replace the seat, pedals, and rear breaks at a minimum.

- UNO comes with tires ready to take through dirt roads and even gravel (listen from another site.)

Frame
UNO - Water Bottle Mount // 4130 Cromoly with 120mm Track Dropout
WT - Reynolds 520 Cromoly with 120mm Track Dropout

Fork
UNO - up to 42c / 29x1.7 tires // 4130 Cromoly
WT - up to 45x700c tires/ 1.75"x29" // 4130 Cromoly

Headset
UNO - FSA or Cane Creek Sealed Bearing for threadless 1.125
WT - Threadless 1.125

Crankset
UNO - FSA Vero Aluminum, 38T
WT - Sugino Forged Aluminum

Bottom Bracket
UNO - Sealed Cartridge 113mm
WT - Sealed Cartridge 103mmx68mm Square Taper

Pedals
UNO - WellGo Road w/clips and straps
WT - Traditional Road with Chromed Steel toe clips

Cog/Cassette/Freewheel
UNO -16T Fixed Gear or Flip // Free bonus 16T freewheel
WT -16T Freewheel // You can put your own fixed cog and lockring on the other side

Spokes
UNO - Double Butted Stainless
WT - Stainless 14 gauge

Rims
UNO - 32H Jalco DRX2000 DoubleWall
WT -32H Alex SUB 30mm Aero Section Track DoubleWall Aluminum

Tires
UNO - Kenda Kwick 700x32c
WT - Kenda KwickRoller Sport or Koncept (No Choice)

Brakes
UNO - Avid Shorty Aluminum Cantilevers
WT - Tektro R556 aluminum dual pull

Brake Levers
UNO - Traditional Drop-Bar Road Aluminum
WT - Tektro RL-340 Road aluminum

Saddle
UNO - SL Turbo Style Racing
WT - Standard Road

Seat Clamp
UNO - Motobecane SL
WT - Mercier seatpost clamp

Do you ride your fixie in flip flops?

That actually sounds pretty nice!

I recommend wearing shoes. Then I recommend not worrying so much about your toes. I have clipped my toes like a million times and it really isn't a big deal. It's not like running them over with the lawn mower. Plus you get used to it and eventually stop clipping your toes. Just take it easy for a while and don't take too sharp of turns.

Toe overlap comes as a result of a aggressive geometry, a small frame and/or big feet.

Moving to DC in a few months (back to DC.)
Commuting 4-15 miles a day for college // groceries.
Want a bike that can accommodate year around riding.

If you are looking for a practical year-round commuter with no toe overlap issues, then a Kilo isn't the best option. DC is relatively flat, so you won't *need* gears...but they would be nice.

Might I suggest either a geared road bike or a single speed, each with eyelets to install racks and/or saddle bags when needed.

Lay out your requirements and pick the right tool for the job. I don't think it makes sense to make a track bike into a commuter unless you are really into FG or track bikes.

Thanks Carleton, I was trying to get a single speed like the TT or WT. But now it seems to be between the TT WT and the UNO. The UNO initially looks better around bike-

single speed / fixie
light weight (under 20 pounds)
good starter components
breaks
can take a narrow or wide tire.

Plus I don't see the overhang issue on the UNO. I might want to run a few dirt (nothing crazy) trails. Am I going in the right direction? This will be 95% commuter year around and 5% a few dirt forrest trail cruizes.

If you are looking for a practical year-round commuter with no toe overlap issues, then a Kilo isn't the best option. DC is relatively flat, so you won't *need* gears...but they would be nice.

Might I suggest either a geared road bike or a single speed, each with eyelets to install racks and/or saddle bags when needed.

Lay out your requirements and pick the right tool for the job. I don't think it makes sense to make a track bike into a commuter unless you are really into FG or track bikes.

DC is "relatively" flat... meaning if you're commuting within the city limits and more specifically the downtown area. North of U Street and west of Georgetown the hills become more of an issue.

I don't think the Kilo is a bad commuting choice, but I'd recommend the WT since it's hard to get more than tires wider than 25 in the front fork (unless you're Scrod).

I have the TT and while there is an ever expanding list of parts to replace on the stock TT, at a minimum, I would recommend getting better pedals, and new tires (I can't speak to the tires on the other Kilos, just the TT). IMO they seem like the most likely to fail--especially for urban commuting. If you have a front brake, you will probably find the toe overlap issue is a nuisance at best.

For other options I'd frequent the CL posts in DC once you arrive, or check out The Bike Club in Arlington--probably the best bike store in the DC area (for used and vintage bikes). They may have a great conversion in stock, or could put one together for you.

My $.02

Thanks aged, I used to live in Alexandria. I am trying to live actually inside the freeway barrier to make commuting and leisure much easier. Did you catch what I was asking about the UNO? I see a lot of DC riders using cyclo bikes instead of standard single speed road bikes. The UNO would accommodate a bigger tire for bad weather and I haven't heard any rub issues with the wheel to toe ration :).

I keep leaning towards the UNO every new post I read about it. I just don't want to do the typical, 'oh yea... you actually should have bought this---.' I'm going to update the original post with into. That way if anyone else is reading for themselves they can see.

Your toes will never get cut off by your wheel so you can stop panicking about that. And as carleton mentioned, its mainly a problem if you need a small frame, I ride a 55 cm kilo and only have like a mm of overlap. Its never been a problem. The Uno looks nice, Ive always wondered why they are rarely mentioned on BFSSFG.

Ok just did an update, Gobby good catch. I'm actually 5'10 so wont be using a tremendously small frame. Maybe this will make me shave my toe nails! Hygiene seems to go well with biking. Well unless you are riding a hodge podge fixie haha. 'hey it looks like you need some more grease on that seat post... let me run my hands through my hair. There you go.'

Toe overlap isn't really a concern unless you run fenders. Normally, if your foot rubs the tire, nothing dramatic happens, but a fender increases toe-overlap dramatically. Moreover, its possible for the fender to catch on the tire and get sucked through the fork, throwing you over the bars. This has happened to me....not fun. This is a problem with the WT if you plan to run fenders due to the steeper geometry. If you want fenders go with the UNO...otherwise it really doesn't make much of a difference. Both will probably have components that you need to replace or upgrade.

Gotcha. I do plan on running fenders. So the UNO is the final say heh. DC has way too much random rainfall to not run fenders. I don't mind getting wet, but if I have to go through 8 hours of class with mud slung cloths I wont be too happy.

I think you'll find the UNO frame to be more versatile, although it may not look as cool...good luck!

Really? I think the white UNO is pretty nice looking. What's so different between the two I barely notice anyhting at all except a tad geometry difference.

. What's so different between the two I barely notice anyhting at all except a tad geometry difference.

In addition to geometry and component differences, the UNO has cantilever brakes, lower gearing, and comes with cyclocross tires and is intended to be able to handle a bit of off roading. Cyclocross frames are sort of like swiss army knives...they can be used for just about anything.