Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - VISP TRX790 Track Frame Build

I have read a few threads on this forum about this particular frame, I recently decided to buy one (58cm) and build it up.

Frame is ordered, parts ordered everything is being delivered as we speak. I will post updates of the build process, pictures, and issues that may develop in the next couple of weeks.

Here is a list of the components I have ordered for the build:

Easton EA50 XC Bar
Ritchey Comp Stem
Gravity Logo Seatpost
ACS Fat Freewheel 13T
Nuke Proof Element Skinny Lock On Grip
Kore Road Rim Tape
Spank Tweet Tweet Single Speed Chain
Airwave Road Tube
Selle Italia C2 Saddle
SwissStop Viking Brake Pads
Cane Creek Direct Curve Brake Lever
Shimano 105 Brakes Black 5600 - Front
SRAM S300 1.1 Chainset - 175mm 48t
Crank Brothers Acid 1 2010
Vittoria Rubino Pro Tyre
Halo Aerorage Track Wheel set

On top of this I ordered some new brake cabling, halo hex bolt wheel skewers and I think that’s about it. Sorry if I have forgotten anything, stay tuned.

What cable did you order? I settle for nothing less than Dura-Ace for my cable.

(It's the only Dura-Ace I can afford:cry:)

Run of the mill linear teflon coated stainless cable.

I buy Jagwire. But only because the name is hilarious.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find one and for how much?

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find one and for how much?

Ebay is the place to go for visp frames.... search like "track frame" they go cheap; not sure about the price tho, I heard it varies....

Here is mine I got it for around 120 shipped.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/4612136687_bf54f5c942_b.jpg

Hows about a cog?

Here is mine I got it for around 120 shipped.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/4612136687_bf54f5c942_b.jpg

omfg your bike is so cute how did you even

I want to replace my Leader at some point, and I'm considering either another Leader (one of the models with fat-but-not-aero tubing), a Kilo TT or possibly one of these Visp frames. I'd really love a Cinelli Vigorelli but I feel that riding these expensive frames on the road to get around town is kinda terrible. Do the Visp frames come with headset? Are they integrated or just hidden?

Joker the frame was from eBay, just a hint over $200AUD which is cheap enough to replace if I find it's no good.

Mr Brown the cog I will use is a 13T freewheel.

48/13 = 97 gear inches = holy hell!

ACS Fat Freewheel 13T
SRAM S300 1.1 Chainset - 175mm 48t

Enormous gear ratio is enormous.

It's flat where I ride, but I will have a flip flop set up for when I need it..

It's flat where I ride, but I will have a flip flop set up for when I need it..

even flat getting 97 gear inches started is some work if in traffic and or one city roads...

Yeah I was thinking that, I was going to start large and work my way down, I have a 17T freewheel sitting around somewhere if I need it, I thought I would buy a new freewheel for a new build, I am used to having a larger crank too...

What ratio do you run @bleedingapple?

Dude, start small and work your way up. You really don't want 97 gear inches. run 46/16, or something similar, it's plenty fast and still easy enough to get up to speed.

I do appreciate your input, dude, however at the moment I am riding on either 97.6 or 85.4 depending on which gear I pick. Poor quality road bike I brought for a couple of hundred whilst I am in-between bikes. The bike I am riding has crap rubber; it is as heavy as the moon and not to mention the resistance from the moving parts. Oh and did I mention the size being about 8cms to small in the frame for my height... 46/16 is not plenty fast.

Nothing wrong with a high gear ratio depending on how you use it. 97 inches might be fine for a flat TT, but it seems too high for everyday riding, even for a very strong rider, unless you spend most of your time above 30 mph. I wouldn't want to ride that in stop-and-go traffic or in a nasty headwind. I ride hills with 81 inches...it makes me work hard but it is fast. With that gear I can comfortably spin at speeds approaching 30mph. Gear any lower and my average speed goes down...mainly because I climb at the same rate, but can't get down the hills as fast. I will use a lower gear if I want to relax a bit and am less preoccupied about going fast.

48 13 sounds ok to me especially for flat land riding. Only 2 teeth from 48x15 which I run. I am happy with mu gear just because of all the damn traffic lights I have to deal with. If you can have an open road with no distractions and are able to maintain a high speed then it should be ok. It's when you are doing a lot of accelerating with that ratio that it's bad on the knees. Too much torque and boom!

So many variables ones choice will never suit the other guy; the main thing is to enjoy the experience.

97 gear inches in the city is just poor form. Learn to spin.

Digging the 97 gear inch ratio.

Strap on the boots and start moonstomping.

So many variables ones choice will never suit the other guy; the main thing is to enjoy the experience.

This is true, but there are constraints on human variation and, consequently, limitations to what gear ratios people can optimally ride. It is highly doubtful that 97 GI is the best gear for you unless you are literally TTing everywhere you go, on flat surfaces, with no traffic interuptions.
At any rate, you should experiment with different gear ratios and continue to experiment as you get stronger and faster. Knowing what gear ratio to choose is a good skill to develop. So many FG riders just ride around with whatever gear they are stuck in thinking that it is the best. The optimal gear ratio can change with your level of fitness, the time or year, the specific route you are planning of riding, your intended effort level, and a million other variables. Cogs are cheap, I change gear ratios all the time because I've ridden enough to develop an understanding of what works best for me and when. You should do the same.

Good luck!

Here is mine I got it for around 120 shipped.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/4612136687_bf54f5c942_b.jpg

what is this i dont even

Am I missing something glaringly obvious? Where can this frame be purchased from? I tried googling it and looking on ebay but didn't really find much

Am I missing something glaringly obvious? Where can this frame be purchased from? I tried googling it and looking on ebay but didn't really find much

You may have to check your settings on Ebay to search outside of North America. "See Other Items" for more choices.

http://cgi.ebay.com/fixie-track-fixed-gear-frame-and-fork-700CX48-58CM-/280501756494?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item414f35224e

They have some white unbranded ones and a few pink ones with "VISP" all over them. It would be so rad to get the white one and put a big vinyl "BLICKSBAGS" logotype on it, but the pink one is pink.

hmm.

i had been thinking about getting one of these. it looks a lot like my spicer that got stolen.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/upperclasstwit42/DSCN3791.jpg

Ah it got stolen? That sucks, I'm sorry. I really liked that bike. I still want a pink Spicer frame.

one of the things i like most is that they often include some hilariously low quality posts spacers and clamps that are all color matching kits... so you can get a white frame with gold accutremont for the price of a leader frame without fork.

i would say it's my ideal "i need to build a bike that i can afford to lock up overnight downtown" starting block.

i would not say it's 'terrible' to ride a vigorelli on the street, i'd say it's terrifying because of how expensive it can be. other than that, it's probably terrific.

what is this i dont even

I just went for it and everyone seems to love it.

It is aluminum though and you can tell the difference between this and steel. It is very fun bike to ride around town.

This is true, but there are constraints on human variation and, consequently, limitations to what gear ratios people can optimally ride. It is highly doubtful that 97 GI is the best gear for you unless you are literally TTing everywhere you go, on flat surfaces, with no traffic interuptions.
At any rate, you should experiment with different gear ratios and continue to experiment as you get stronger and faster. Knowing what gear ratio to choose is a good skill to develop. So many FG riders just ride around with whatever gear they are stuck in thinking that it is the best.

97 GI = loads of street cred...

48/13 = 97 gear inches = holy hell!


It's all downhill where he lives, no matter what. :lol:

Joker the frame was from eBay, just a hint over $200AUD which is cheap enough to replace if I find it's no good.

Mr Brown the cog I will use is a 13T freewheel.

If you're planning on running a freewheel and not a fixed cog you're going to need a BMX flip-flop hub. 13-14 tooth freewheels are smaller and wont thread onto a track hub.

Planning on using a Halo flip flop hub.

Halo looks to be a track flip-flop hub, not the same as a BMX flip-flop.

This link explains the difference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_hub

i had been thinking about getting one of these. it looks a lot like my spicer that got stolen.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/upperclasstwit42/DSCN3791.jpg

Mixte?

Looks dope non the less

picking one, or two, or three of these frames up.

Cage yes the Halo rims I will be using are a track flip flop hub, one side fixed one side free.

VISP frames are unbelievably heavy for an aluminum frame, with big nasty welds. It's about as low as you can go for an aluminum "aero" style tarck frame. works for a beater or a first bike, but as these things go, it's actually a step down from Leader, which is pretty hard to do. :thumb:

so are you planning to run only 1 brake with a 97gear inch drive train and free wheel??!! where's that picture of jean-luc picard face palming

VISP frames are unbelievably heavy for an aluminum frame, with big nasty welds. It's about as low as you can go for an aluminum "aero" style tarck frame. works for a beater or a first bike, but as these things go, it's actually a step down from Leader, which is pretty hard to do. :thumb:

While I have no doubt that the VISP frames are boat anchors, your Leader reference is completely baseless. This is why I can't stand this forum sometimes, people trashing brands for the sake of having something judgemental to say.

97 GI is ridiculous

As I started this thread to post MY bike build with MY thoughts and opinions and product selection being shared it is unfortunate to say I cannot be bothered sharing MY experiences with a bunch of narrow minded, opinionated bike geeks.

You do what you want with your bikes, and I will do what I want with my bikes. However, I will not be sharing anything about my bikes or my VISP frame build on this forum. There are many reasons, variables as to why people make the decisions they do, and it is no one’s place to judge those. Bike forums are a place to share experiences, advice and knowledge. Not a place for people judge peoples actions or decisions comparatively to what they think is best practice.

For the record @CATNAP VISP frames are the ones with the nasty big welds, go do some reading about Chinas manufacturing industry and you will be surprised at what you find out. The frame for the price is quite a deal, it may be a slight bit heavier but you try find a replacement for the price.

@BLICKBLOCKS I thank you for sharing the same views as myself.

@WMGREEN85 Read above comments made by BLICKBLOCKS and learn to keep it to your internal dialoge.

and finally Mr JOEEASY wtf do you care?

Oh and for the record again, the VISP frame build is not my only bike, I can afford to “buy and try” as it were hence why I spent over $1k on components for a cheap frame because I wanted to see what all the fuss about.

My bikes are as follows:

Diamond Back Sorrento (First bike I owned 17 years ago)
Surly Steam Roller (Commuting)
Cube Reaction Elixir (Weekend use purchased this year)
Giant Defy 1 2009 Model (Long rides, purchased early 2009)
Atomik Mamba (Hideous bike I brought off a friend)




Yes I have 5 bikes, I have not owned a car for years so I can spend my head earned $$$ on what I love.

if anything is ugly here,

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/upperclasstwit42/DSCN3791.jpg

As I started this thread to post MY bike build with MY thoughts and opinions and product selection being shared it is unfortunate to say I cannot be bothered sharing MY experiences with a bunch of narrow minded, opinionated bike geeks.

You do what you want with your bikes, and I will do what I want with my bikes. However, I will not be sharing anything about my bikes or my VISP frame build on this forum. There are many reasons, variables as to why people make the decisions they do, and it is no one’s place to judge those. Bike forums are a place to share experiences, advice and knowledge. Not a place for people judge peoples actions or decisions comparatively to what they think is best practice.
Well, this IS an online discussion board. You post up a thread about your build here, you best be ready to get feedback. Comes with the territory.

Not all replies will be constructive, so it's up to you to sift through all that to find useful advice, which has been given.

^ Exactly. You asked for our opinions, and you got them. And I'm pretty sure any cyclist would tell you that 48/13 is beyond stupid unless you're on the track. Especially if you go brakeless, which it seems like you will. Tell your knees I said bye, if you last long enough for them to go.

While I have no doubt that the VISP frames are boat anchors, your Leader reference is completely baseless. This is why I can't stand this forum sometimes, people trashing brands for the sake of having something judgemental to say.

+1 leader ftw